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I'm not sure it's the exact opposite of supply and demand when we're talking about boxed AAA Nintendo games.

There isn't infinite supply and Nintendo are not allowed to determine what price third party stores sell their games for. But obviously they can choose not to sell their products to retail for below what they perceive them to be worth.

The fact that BOTW is still £50 in stores whereas Horizon Zero Dawn is £10 is down to the fact that Nintendo products retain their value because Nintendo refuses to devalue them and the quality often justifies the price.

With Skyward Sword, I've no idea why you are worried about whether Nintendo 'deserve' £40 for the level of effort they've put in. It's a weird way of looking at the world, surely the only concern is whether you will get enough out of it to justify the price.

For enough people the answer is yes so why should Nintendo reduce the price?

And like I say this is not new. Adjusting for inflation, Super Mario All Stars launched in 1991 at over £100. For some NES ports.

@NEStalgia

You've literally just described supply and demand which is pretty much how all companies price their products.

And 20 years ago Nintendo was busy releasing NES ports on the GBA for full price.

If their games stand the test of time (which they do) then why not?

Pink Floyd don't sell copies of Dark Side of the Moon for £1.99 just because it's old.

Mario 64 at number 6 is crazy to me.

The game is top five best ever on any console to me.

Goldeneye, whilst fun at the time, is basically unplayable now whilst Mario 64 is still so much fun.

This is one of the best games I have ever played, no exaggeration.

Hundreds of hours of gameplay at least, absolutely beautiful art, fantastic music and a real sense of achievement when you finally make progress.

I would recommend it to any gamer who enjoys a challenge.

@Cyrax77

This is rather melodramatic really.

I bought the game yesterday. It runs fine as far as I can tell, no huge performance issues. It is a little blurry and almost certainly doesn't run like it would on a gaming PC but it's a brilliant game and runs nicely on the switch.

And blaming patches is a bit of a red herring. I remember countless PSX and N64 games that were released with performance issues and bugs but could never be patched.

The game is great, give it a try.

Honestly won't be long until some third party manufacturer sells a switch lite dock with a mini HD camera inside.

Would be relatively straightforward to produce surely.

@Alucard83

And people wonder why our planet is dying.

Shiren Shiren Shiren Shiren Shiren Shiren Shiren.

PLEASE be Shiren.

They basically need to do a cheap Switch-lite handheld only option for kids to use for Pokemon now there's no more 3ds.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Switch pro but what would be the point really? It would only be useful if it encouraged third parties to port their PS4 games over and I'm not sure the 'Pro' market would be big enough.

@impurekind Most people don't see games as investments. They wanna watch top TV shows instantly, enjoying the experience.

Netflix achieves this and at an excellent price point due to the worldwide market they've generated.

There's no reason this can't be replicated as soon as the technology allows it. And it will.

@jimi You're arguments are bordering on tinfoil hat lunacy.

Disks are a technology of the past. Expecting future consoles to have have DVD rom drives to allow backwards compatibility is like expecting a PS2 to have a floppy disk dirve.

@MoonKnight7 Yeah and that's a problem faced by us all currently with Game of Thrones and Sky. But there'll be competing services and the market will find a way or people just won't pay.

The current system doesn't exactly work brilliantly for me considering I own a PS4 and a Switch but quite like Halo...

@MoonKnight7 It's a strange argument you're making. Yes Prime changed (because they actually added a lot more songs and it became unfeasible to offer at that price) but you didn't lose out really.

You had access for the time you had it and now you're free to switch to any of the other excellent streaming services in a very competitive market place.

@Yorumi I literally own about fifteen consoles. I am a normal bloke though and there's no way I'm getting away with having all fifteen set up simultaneously.

So inevitably some of them sit gathering dust and don't get played.

I'd love a monthly streaming service where I could access every game ever made for a set fee a month. I wouldn't be losing any 'rights' because I'd be fully aware that I only have access for that period. And if they made the service worse I'd leave and find a better one.

@jimi I dunno mate, I am not particularly materialistic. I'm into games for the fun and the experiences.

I think the digital movement has been fantastic in so many ways.

It has made retro titles available and accessible to new generations. It has allowed people to play previously rare and expensive games affordably. It has allowed smaller developers to access consumers without the expense of publishing in physical form.

It's easy to think that the 'old' system of spending £300 every few years for a new black box under the tele is perfect. I don't think it is and I think that the current Netflix/Prime/Iplayer services are far better than the old DVD box set system of a decade ago.

@MoonKnight7 The current state of music streaming services means there's so much choice and competition that I cannot at all understand anyone complaining about paying a few quid for it.

@Yorumi tbh th current system is a joke in so many ways.

Literally hundreds of millions of people are expected to routinely buy new miniature PCs in small plastic boxes every five years. These invariably end up in landfill eventually. Even worse that, if you want to play all the best games you need three different boxes in your house. Again, all with their own online subs.

A truly hardware decoupled experience where you pay a flat fee for remote access to every game would be so much better than the status quo. Or even mutliple competing services like we see with film and TV now.

Because you lot seem to love having ten consoles all linked up to one Tele. I'd actually prefer to be able to legally jump from Super Metroid to Halo to whatever.

@jimi I have no idea why you place so much important on owning a piece of plastic. I remember before streaming when new albums were £16 standard.

Now I have access to pretty much every song ever written for a few quid a month.

It's immeasurably better. And it will come to gaming eventually.

@MoonKnight7 the real problem is people who expect to access pretty much every song ever written alongside literally hundreds of TV shows and films for £6 a month.

@impurekind I genuinely can't understand how paying £13 for a game which would surely cost over £40 on a cart is a "terrible deal".

The majority of consumers would finish this game in a couple of weeks and never touch it again. The cart itself would easily depreciate that much in that time.

£13 seems cheap compared to what AAA games cost now.

@impurekind The ownership and resale arguments were made with DVDs.

In reality consumers don't want the hassle and clutter. But it took someone offering excellent content at an accessible price point to really win people over.

As soon as someone does that then it's game over.

@UmbreonsPapa bring it on! Are you really nostalgic about paying £30 for one series of a TV show as a box set?

Streaming is a million times better than that. And it could be the same for games.

This comments sections resembles a DVD forum circa 2010.

"But I won't own the box sets"
"They can just decide to remove content at any time"
"Consumer rights blah blah blah"

When a company suddenly does a Netflix and provides a high quality, reliable and value for money service then streaming will forever change the way we play games.

I often spend £40 on a game and play it for two hours. What's the point? I'd rather be able to jump in and out of different experiences, sticking with the ones I enjoy.

Streaming is coming, we're not there yet but fighting the inevitable seems a bit daft.