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@TrueWiiMaster The level is so controversial that there is an option to skip it...

@TrueWiiMaster Nope... When you get immersed into a game you feel like you are the character, makes you not want to die in the heat of battle. Ocarina Of Time is still immersive, but not as immersive as Skyward sword... The environments look less realistic and you don't get as pulled in and feel like a real young adventurer like you might in Skyward Sword.

Oh and please tell me about how Super Mario 64 destroys Super Mario Galaxy 2 in gameplay.. How much of a larger game it is than Galaxy, and how the beautiful environments in Super Mario Galaxy don't contribute to the experience.

I would love you know

Graphics ad depth because they add REALISM... They make you feel as if you are actually there.

@TrueWiiMaster And gameplay doesn't rely on power? Oh okay, I believe you bro trust me.

Now tell me more about how the SNES has better playing games than the Gamecube again. Also please explain how the gamecube;s horsepower has absolutely no affect on it's games.

@TrueWiiMaster COD MW2 had a level where you went to a mall as a terrorist and killed civilians...

@TrueWiiMaster Why not place animals on the same level as humans? Humans are animals, we are nothing more than an ape that evolved to be more intelligent than other primates... How does that makes humans worth the most in the animal kingdom?

Police killing is the same as killing animals in Red Dead Redemption. And without making real world comparisons, how exactly would killing a virtual police officer be worse than killing a virtual alien?

@TrueWiiMaster And if you mean good graphics then, okay. Now tell me how much better Super Mario Brothers is to Super Mario Galaxy 2....

@TrueWiiMaster Wrong. Graphics contribute A LOT to the depth of the game.... I don't think you have a good understanding of what it is for a game to be immersive. And I think you undermine graphics, because they are just as important as gameplay... Without graphics what exactly would you be playing??? There would be nothing on screen.

@TrueWiiMaster So the fact that you enjoy killing just about everything in a video game BUT a human means that you don't like violent video games?

You do know the majority of video games involves killing something... Right?

@Quake I think you read it wrong yourself. "Aren't always, or even frequently..." Means that he means that they aren't frequent.

@TrueWiiMaster Wii games aren't more fun, more challenging, or varied... The majority of the Wii's games are for little kids and casual gamers. And as for depth? I CANNOT TELL YOU JUST HOW WRONG YOU ARE rofl.

Depth? Really? Out of anything else? Depth? How the hell could a game with PS2 graphics, outdated gameplay, and a horrible physics engine be more immersive

@TrueWiiMaster Police officers still sometimes have to do it. Usually if someone dos not comply, the police have to use force, pepper spray, tasers, anything to get the criminal to surrender... Sound familiar? And in GTA IV you kill officers that are corrupt, and it is optional for you to kill a cop on the street...

I see that you look at GTA IV as harmful because of the fact that it SIMULATES killing people... Oh okay, so what about No More Heroes? I mean you are killing plenty of people, so what is so different about it? And lol it's even more violent in terms of bloodshed than GTA IV. I can't slice someone head off or slice through their body in GTA IV.

@Quake He said aren't frequently, so hey, it was safe to assume.

@TrueWiiMaster So you're saying that gameplay video of "Skyrim for PS3" posted by IGN wasn't the official version?

Gee wiz, I've been scammed one too many times!

@TrueWiiMaster Yes, it's still possible. Real gamers might own multiple systems and once and prefer to play on the HD system because the games are more complex and have more to them (This is actually true for a lot of HD games, compared to the Wii). This has nothing to do with difficulty, but with the complexity of the game.

@TrueWiiMaster A soldier's job is to protect, even more so than a cop, because they protect you from international affairs... Each soldier is fighting to defend their country, so killing them is not justified... If your a soldier killing another soldier, it's just as wrong as a criminal killing a cop, there is no such thing as good or bad, that's a delusion of the mind. The criminal believes he is killing for something good, and the cop believes he is killing for something good... Same scenario. But of course since for the most part criminals are fighting against me and cops for me, I have deep respect for cops over criminals any day... Morality is relative to the person, there is no absolute right or wrong.

@Quake I respect police officers, but killing virtual police officers has absolutely NO affect on my actual respect for REAL police officers... Real police officers and bots are two COMPLETELY different things, they aren't even comparable.

@theblackdragon Glitches are observable... I watch a youtube walkthrough, see a car fly into the air for no reason, I can assume the game has glitches. Same with graphics. Certain things can be said, be I can't comment on the gameplay because I have never played it. And even if I have played it and don't own it, I STILL can't make a full observation. Unless I own the game and have had actual time with it... Now renting a game and beating the entire game within a matter of days is another thing.

@TrueWiiMaster Yeah I do understand how the Wii's number of online players can win in numbers, but it's really the percents that matter.

And nice pick up on that statistics site, But i have heard the statistic on the age of the average gamer, and it is somewhat correct. The point really is that the average age of a gamer is not 12, kids don't play as big as a role in the gaming industry as most seem to think.

@TrueWiiMaster The fact that you keep saying "killing innocent people" is troubling... I think you take video games a bit TOO seriously lol...

You aren't killing innocent people... You're killing bots... And technically you aren't even killing them because they always respawn... And cop killing isn't even related to the story in GTA IV. Cop killing is for the challenge, obviously you haven't played any Grand Theft Auto game... Because if you did you would know just how fun "killing people" is in that particular game... And plus if you want to talk about killing the innocent... What about YOU killing aliens in Metroid Prime? What about YOU killing soldiers in war games? What about YOU killing zombies in horror games...? Being innocent is relative to the observer, so nothing deserves to die. They are ALL the exact same things, bots. Nothing more, nothing less.... They have no consciousness, they have no brain, they have no life. They are randomly spawned bots that take on civilian form. It seems both you and Quake don't look at things for what they actually are... You should start doing that, it helps with plenty of things.

@Quake Even so what exactly would make you feel so bad about killing a virtual cop in GTA IV? I mean considering that they are able to kill you too, and it's just for a pure challenge to see how long you would last, why would you have a problem with that...? Are you a cop? Because I have relatives that are cops, and I don't think of them when I kill a cop in GTA IV

@Quake I can't comment on something that is OBSERVABLE in the game? That's like saying that I can't comment on Crysis 2's graphics because I don't have it.

@Quake But the short second before they disappear you can walk through the bodies...

@Quake The link does work, for me anyway.

Here is the survey: http://gonintendo.com/?p=120319

I mean come on...? 54%???

That means the other 46% Don't even bother connecting their Wii systems online... Most likely NOT because they enjoy single player experiences more, but because they don't use the system often enough and don't even want to bother setting up the internet settings... Which brings me back to the fact the the majority of Wii sales go to ****casual games****, kids, and Nintendo fans...

Although the point may be a bit flawed, Wii functions such as Virtual console would DEFINITELY press Nintendo fans to connect to the internet anyway.

@TrueWiiMaster THe website DOES state it's sources... Didn't you click the "more info" next to EACH AND EVERY one of the statistics? Attached were articles discussing the statistic among numerous other things, and I had already heard of the statistic before even knowing about that site anyway, so I believe it is most likely true... And 250$ isn't a magic number, you completely missed the ENTIRE point of the reply. Anyone willing to spend big on a game system obviously isn't looking to let it dust.... And should I resort to the amount of Wii systems connected to the internet...? And remember, by your logic the Wii and PS3 BOTH appeal to the same crowds, so there is no "Well not everyone can connect to the internet"...

And I believe I even have an article on that one.

@Quake Please reread the quote.... Notice "to some extent" -_-. That means NOT ALL NINTENDO FANS.... I've been a Nintendo fan since the N64 era. And I misread the comment, thought it only said MGS. I think you misunderstood what I meant by "glitches"... Does the gun go through the wall when standing too close to it? That's a glitch... Can you step through enemies? That's a glitch... I mean every single detail. Is the audio always in sync with the gameplay?

@TrueWiiMaster Rofl @518

. The majority of the gaming market is casual gamers, and thus since the majority of people who own Wiis are casual gamers, the majority of sales came from casual gamers, not serious gamers.... The same can't be said for a game like Mortal Kombat, because it's an M rated game so kids who are eight years old usually can't get their hands on it, narrowing the crowd down to mostly teenagers and adults... And since adults take up the majority of the gaming industry it's mostly adults who buy the game. And since most adult gamers who buy game systems that are over 250$ are serious gamers, that means most serious gamers go for games like Mortal Kombat. Simple logic...

Although I don't really like Mortal Kombat and would pick Super Smash Bros over any fighting game out right now on any game console, I am still aware of how the current gaming market works... Here are the statistics: http://www.grabstats.com/statcategorymain.asp?StatCatID=13

And this type of logic works for the vast majority of Wii games

Metal Gear Solid? No glitches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrS8e_2wB4

Want more glitches?

@Quake Notice that I said "Nintendo fans"

@TrueWiiMaster That was a typo, and you actually taking it seriously was a purposeful misinterpretation... It was quite obvious that I didn't mean every single JRPG in existence...

@TrueWiiMaster Soul Calibur IV's online play is absolutely terrible... Offline multiplayer is just about as good as has always been, but it is still tacked on in the aspect that the single player has more work put into it...

@Quake Good games are based on opinion, but the fact is that Wii does not appeal to serious gamers... Just little kids, casual gamers, and Nintendo fans (to some extent).

@Quake The glitches were that and the game shattering PS3 lag glitch... Rofl look at Skyward Sword, it has game shattering glitches that will never be fixed because of the Wii's terrible online functionality...

@Quake Yes, every game that is in 3D and has more than two dimensions HAS GLITCHES. It is near to impossible not to, ESPECIALLY taking into consideration the size of today's games...

@Quake Yeah, but the patch fixed that.... And plus, STOP USING GLITCHES.... EVERY game has glitches... Twilight Princess dstroyed my save file, does that mean the game was bad? No. BUY skyrim. It is very critically acclaimed and an amazing looking game. Just because someone said Skyward sword is a worst game doesn't mean anything, WHAT IF IT IS? Chances are, taking the Wii's pathetic processing power into consideration, and the fact that it can't run too many enemies on screen, that it COULD be better... I've played Skyward Sword, and I would say it's better than Skyrim, but that's only because I ONLY HAVE one side of the story rather than both

@Quake I've already proved that although the Wii has more games than the HD consoles, it has LESS good games... Look at the reviews for reference.

@Quake I actually meant PC exclusives... While say the Playstation brand has Little Big Planet, Ratchet And Clank, Jak And Daxter, and many others that just simply aren't found as much anymore, PC has the same old RTS games every generation... I mean PC gaming is fun, VERY fun, but I find console gaming has more variety...

@Quake Portal 2 has no primary focus, because it is pretty much balanced between single player and multiplayer. Resistance 3's multiplayer is tacked on... I doubt you have it if you think otherwise. Sure multiplayer is fun but it's very far from the primary focus of the game. And although I take consoles over the PC because the PC's games are generic I still think the PC absolutely destroys the Wii...
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@TrueWiiMaster Monster Hunter is a JRPG... I said MOST.

@Quake I'm not debating in defence of HD consoles, but I am debating AGAINST the Wii and using the HD consoles as an example. Don't bother trying to bring the PC into this, because then the Wii would look like an Atari 2600

@TrueWiiMaster Yes, and Soul Calibur IV's multiplayer is tacked on, you can do more in single player than multiplayer.

@TrueWiiMaster You read my comment wrong. I said most JRPGs are chibi anime styled... And that most JRPG games are either styled as Monster Hunter or FInal Fantasy

@TrueWiiMaster Wrong... Although Soul Calibur is fun with a group of friends I said ONLINE play.... And Soul Calibur IV has worst online play than even a lot of Wii games that I have (Eww). And even with multiplayer being good, it is very far from the primary focus.

@TrueWiiMaster There are none better than Mario.

Although Zelda pretty much started it all, there are a few that are quite equal to Zelda.... FYI the formula for the zelda hasn't changed in a very long time.... For Metroid Prime of course there are none.

Monster Hunter...? Lol I have absolutely no idea why you love that game so much... There are quite a few that kill Monser Hunter in core gameplay... At least that's what I hear... I don't like games remotely similar to it, I hate JRPGs, they are all the same annoying chibi anime style and are even more generic that FPS games... EIther the JRPG will be in the same style as Monster Hunter or Final Fantasy, both which are absolutely awful.

Lol it's funny that you can only name Nintendo exclusives...

@Quake The majority of games I have have great single player and tacked on multiplayer...

• Dante's Inferno
• Red Dead Redemption
• Portal 2
• Resistance 3
• Batman Arkham City
• Soul Calibur IV
• Dead Space 2
• Grad Theft Auto IV and it's DLC content Ballad Of Gay Tony
  All amazing games.

@Quake So there was no reason for you to have sold it then... TO my understanding I remember you saying you enjoyed BF: Bad Company 2... And BF3 pretty much improves upon that formula..

@Quake DO you really want me to point out all of the "problems" in some of the Wii games I have? It's going to be a heck of a lot bigger than that, primarily with No More Heroes. The fact that the game is primarily online is of course going to be full of problems, because the range of possibilities is FAR larger than the majority, if not all Wii games.

@Quake Yes, you seem to continuously whine about things like online play. Consoles, as of this gen, focus more on single player than multiplayer... And the single player games are a heck of a lot better than the average Wii game... I can't even believe that ANYONE who owns an HD console or PC would defend a piece of garbage like the Wii as it is. Rofl, it's like me comparing my 3DS to my gameboy and saying my gameboy is better.. Although it's all down to personal preference, compared to the vast majority of gamers, your preference is... Nasty.

And I saw vast majority of gamers because most people who are truly dedicated to gaming own a PS3/360, not a Wii... When I was younger I loved my Wii. Why? Not because it had good games... Because it was made by Nintendo... Which is most likely the reason you guys are so blind to the truth...

Even Shokio, one of the biggest supporters of the Wii, admitted that even though he considered the Wii his favorite console, he admitted that the PS3 was his BEST console.

@Quake Lol most of the list, if you actually read it, is not fixing glitches... It's improving the gameplay... Unless you call tank rounds not destroying helicopters in one shot a glitch... Or maybe slightly reduced repair speed for vehicles...?

"OMG it's taking way too long to repair this tank, must be a glitch!" rofl. EA was simply replying to fan emails and improving the game as they had asked... Giving you more bang for the buck.

@Quake You weren't really paying attention to the story... It's just the opposite. YOU HAVE TO KILL THE POLICE OFFICERS because they are hindering with the mission to stop the terrorists from bombing paris, but in the end the mission actually fails and to my knowledge at least, Dima is dead.