@TrueWiiMaster Of course the online part doesn't bother you much... I think the only reason it doesn't is because you haven't experienced how much online play does for a game system. The Wii's online play is inferior to a handheld's online play, which is just hilarious.
@Quake No... The 360 version of Bully was better than the Wii version in every way possible. The Wii version was pretty much the PS2 version with added missions... While the 360 version had added local multiplayer, better graphics, and all the missions the Wii version had... Along with better controls.
ALL games have glitches, and of course HD console games are A LOT more polished than any game on the Wii. And exactly, the fact that a lot of good PS3 exclusives take 2 years at the last to develop means that they have plenty of polish... Wii games are pretty much last gen, why do you think it has so many games? Developers always say Wii is the easiest system to develop games for...
Why are you guys just buying it on day 1 for no reason? What is there to hype the system up..? All it has at launch is a couple of game that you could easily get for a PS3/360... And plus if this news is true, WTH would you buy a system that is just BARELY more powerful than something you already have....?
Wii U will fail if Nintendo tries the same tactic as last gen... Casual gamers already have a Wii, and ARE NOT willing to buy the successor. Hardcore gamers are not going to buy something underpowered. The Wii U will flop if Nintendo releases it being just as powerful as a PS3/360...
@Quake Rofl wrong. Wii games tend to have TONS more glitches than any HD console game... Especially since Wii games don't receive patch updates... I encountered a problem with Bully: Scholarship edition where the gate was closed so I couldn't go on to the next mission... And NO wii games never ever take years to develop unless they are made y top notch developers like Nintendo...
@Quake Indeed that is the developer's fault, but the developers are who makes the games right? We all know Wii developers are usually lazy, making games like My Horsez and My Hamster..... So if most Wii exclusive developers are lazy and most of the HD system's developers spend years on their games, wouldn't that make HD system games more polished? (I don't even know why I had to explain that because we all know that HD console games are more polished...)
@TrueWiiMaster Have to say that is a pretty good argument. A game that is meant to be hard of course is hardcore. The PS3 has it's fair share of hardcore games in that case... I might have underestimated the amount of hardcore games on the Wii in this case, as the Wii has quite a few puzzle games and others that you would say give you a challenge... But PS3/360 games have their challenges too, check out PSN Store, plenty of puzzle games and games meant to be difficult there. I was also using Metroid Prime 3 as a prime example of bad AI. MP3's AI is usually what the average Wii game's AI usually is... But if you were to play a PS3 game you would notice enemies have the ability to pick up your grenades and throw them back at you, they take cover and don't just stand a shoot, etc.
And I also wanted to bring in the online part of the two consoles... This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE factor in modern day gaming, and will definitely be even bigger in the next generation of consoles. The DS's online play was at least comparable to the PSP's online play... But the Wii's online play is beat by even the PSP... And that is simply not acceptable. Wouldn't you agree that if Nintendo were not to get in sync with online capabilities next gen, the Wii U will be at a huge risk of flopping? Considering that the majority of Wii sales went to casual gamers and casual gamers all now have Wii systems already or if not a Wii system an xbox 360 with kinect that if Nintendo uses the same technique as last gen the Wii U will fail? Think about it... Casual gamers already have a casual system, why buy another? They most definitely will not know the Wii U is the successor... The ONLY sales Nintendo will get next gen is off of the true gamers... And please do not say a lot of true gamers bought the Wii, because it is widely known that the Wii is known as a "casual system".
@TrueWiiMaster Lol Excitebots is harder than mario kart btw? ROFL... One game is only need to dismiss this statement: Mario Kart 7.
ANd of course you've never played GTA IV if you say the driving doesn't mean anything... You do know the entire game revolves around driving, right? Tell me, if driving isn't what makes a game like that hard then you get on multiplayer and try to dodge missiles from players in helicopters and multiple other cars chasing you while shooting at yours tires and through your windows... You will find it to be quite difficult without good driving skills (It's like one of the most essential things in the game, you do more driving than walking.)
If a game is hard, then it should be considered hardcore... Rather it takes upping the difficulty settings or not. And Wii games have some of the most terrible AI I have seen in gaming... Wii AI is almost comparable to some of the game I have on my DS's AI. The only thing they do is give you less health and maybe add a few more enemies in place of better AI... And since the Wii can't handle a lot of enemies on screen, the Wii fails at even giving you plenty of enemies.
@TrueWiiMaster No Kratos killing a civilian was part of the storyline. I can kill civilians in GTA IV all I want, because it isn't part of the storyline. Feels different.
And even if I kill civilians in video games without feeling bad, why is it supposed to make me feel bad...? They don't have lives, and they are all programmed through a computer... Would you feel bad about destroying a computer?
@TrueWiiMaster Lol Super Maro Galaxy did have glitches. All of those games do, but of course none are as widely known as GoW's glitches. I loved Super Mario Galaxy, I just wish they would acknowledge and remake Super Mario Sunshine on the 3DS/ Wii U.
@TrueWiiMaster I do agree Portal can be taken care of with walkthroughs but hardcore gamers usually don't need walkthroughs. And really all that Wii games do when you increase difficulty is make you take more damage.... On PS3/360 usually the AI becomes smarter, your health goes down quicker, AND more enemies are on the screen. The Wii can't even run good AI and plenty of enemies on screen... The only game to showcase insane amounts of somewhat intelligent AI on screen was The Grinder, and i'm sure that's cancelled lol. GTA IV requires skill in driving and accuracy with shoot (If you're not a noob and play without lock on on). But mostly the driving part of GTA IV is a lot more of a challenge than driving in excite bots.... How can I say this without even had playing he game? Well GTA IV's driving is one word: Realistic.
@TrueWiiMaster All of the games you said required practice aren't hard at all with the exception of Sin and Punishment... Portal is hard, DO NOT compare it to a Sudoku... It is nothing like that and the type of thinking you're doing is completely different. GTA IV is challenging, although I said "arguably". You try lasting 10 minutes with a 6 star wanted level you tell me that "Excitebots" is harder. I'm still laughing at the fact that you listed excitebots... I mean i'd understand mario kart but... Excitebots...? Lol.
And plus video games don't ruin your "morals"... I without a doubt have better morals than most people I know, and I played Conkers Bad Fur Day at the age of five (look the game up). The problem with morals is that you don't know rather they are good or not until you test them on especially complex situations. But back on subject, playing video games aren't supposed to oppose your morals... I mean I WILL ADMIT that when I play God Of War and Kratos kills a civilian I kind of grimace, but I don't put down the game entirely... In GTA IV there isn't a lot of sex at all, the only sexual part in it is the fact that you can go to the red light district and pick up a hooker (This is completely optional, just like killing civilians is...). And it is understandable that you may not like GTA IV, I mean the story revolves around some eastern European guy trying to make it big and having to kill to get it. But Red Dead Redemption's story is pretty much the same as a western movie with the same amount of violence encountered in said movie... You really find western movies too vile to watch...?
@Quake So you do not want to kill police officers.... In a video game... I suppose it's reasonable if you have a family member that died in the police force but, c'mon.. -_-. Killing people in general is bad. Killing ANYTHING is bad. And if your going to not play a game because of that, well you might as well stick to puzzle games.
@Quake Wrong... A hardcore gamer would collect the collectibles... If the game appeals to a hardcore gamer who enjoys a challenge then it is considered hardcore. I know a hardcore gamer could also enjoy easy games too, but i'm talking about hardcore games that hardcore gamers flock to in the masses.
And having collectibles doesn't means that it's a hardcore game, being challenging makes it a hardcore game. Super Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Portal 2, and Dead Space 2 are challenging, so they are all hardcore games... But in reality it depends completely on the gamer and how good you are at video games. I can assure you that Dead Space 2 on the hardest difficulty is almost as "hardcore" as you can get. Not up there with sin and punishment but it's not easy by a long shot.
I also speak of games that take skill... So in this aspect Call Of Duty (Rather it be a mindless shot em up or not) is hardcore. Battlefield 3 is hardcore. Super Smash Bros is hardcore. GTA IV is arguably hardcore... Soul Calibur IV is hardcore. All of these and the lot of the PS3/360's library is hardcore.
@TrueWiiMaster No, I never said because you don't like gore... Gore and blood are completely different. God Of War 3 and Dante's Inferno are gore. GTA IV has no gore, just blood mostly...
I've seen REAL gore and I can tell you just so you can know, video game gore is just about as scarring as My Little Pony.... Comparing real gore an game gore is like comparing a nerf launcher to a rocket launcher.. Trust me.
@TrueWiiMaster I don't care about the rating of the game, I grew up primarily playing E rated games, but some of the games I played were rated M (Conkers Bad Fur Day, GTA III, etc). I grew up mostly with my N64 and my Xbox. I had all three systems of last gen and enjoyed them all equally and still think the PS2 was way overrated. It's not that I think rated E games are kiddie games at all. It's just that games like Epic Mickey mostly appeal to kids, even though E stands for Everyone. The only reason your preference would be toward E rated games is because you don't play a lot of M rated games, and it's understandable because you don't have an HD system... Stop bringing up Nintendo exclusives, I am not talking about those btw.
If Epic Mickey was ported to the PS3/360 with updated graphics then it would score a 7/10.... The reason is because quite frankly, compared to the good PS3/360 games Epic Mickey is garbage. Nintendo is the only developer who makes it possible for last gen hardware to have games that match up and destroy PS3/360 games. Games like Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy are some of the ONLY games a sony/microsoft fan would want.... Why is that? Third party developers on the Wii are the worst of this gen, without a doubt.
@TrueWiiMaster Processing speed isn't all that matters. Look at the discussion.
@TrueWiiMaster The only reason there are more E rated games on the Wii is because the Wii has more games...... In order to have an M rating, the game usually has red blood in it. If there were certain parts in Metroid Prime were you could kill humans then it would have an M rating.... Games like Battlefield only have an M rating because there is blood. GTA IV on the other hand has drugs, sex, blood, and guns... M rating is justified, but still there is no doubt most games that are rated M on the PS3/360 are only marked that way because there is blood.
And you don't like Red Dead Redemption just because it's too "violent" to you? ROFL. I mean there was one part in the game that might be a bit graphic and if more of the game were like it I would totally say it's all justified, but the worst thing you'd find in the game is that you can shoot people and blood comes out, and the fact that there is a bit of cursing. The Wii has no variety, because nearly the majority of the library are childish games... And the majority of the PS3/360 library aren't mature rated games, just the majority of games that are considered good. The PS3/360 I admit the majority of good games are M/T rated, but to be honest all of the E rated games still exceed the average Wii game, even if they have a bad review... Say a game like Epic Mickey... Looks great doesn't it? If it were ported to the PS3/360 without any improvements then the game would probably get a 6.5/10.... Different story on the Wii because the expectations are higher on the 360/PS3...
Tell me, do you expect an average Wii game to have ragdoll physics? Well that's what's expected on PS3/360 titles. Do you expect Wii game to have graphics AT LEAST as good as GTA IV? That's what's expected on the average PS3/360 game. Expectations on the Wii are as low as the expectations were for the gamecube/xbox.
Oh and theres nothing wrong with liking E/T rated games, but when you say you can't take a game just because there is blood in it makes you sound... I love my Nintendo exclusives but it sounds to me like all you play IS Nintendo exclusives...
@Quake And Batman Arkham City (I mistakenly put Arkham Asylum, I don't own it so I can't judge) is hard... I was talking about on the hard difficulty setting. And rather a game has difficulty settings doesn't mean that it isn't hardcore, because batman arkham city is hard to complete fully rather it's on easy, normal, or hard.
@Quake Oh and yes it is in the software, but also in the graphics card.. For example, the 3DS's graphics chip's specialty is in fogging effects, check out RE: Revelation's fog.
@TrueWiiMaster The Wii doesn't have ANYTHING beaten in software. It has the most shovelware out of any system ever made.... You simply do not have a current gen system (The wii isn't current gen, it's a gamecube 1.5). Playing and watching a couple of games means nothing if you can't dig deep into them and enjoy them... Five hours on a system with multiple games would lead me to believe you've played one hour of each game. That's DEFINITELY not enough time to actually evaluate anything. Quake is in a better position to argue.
Seems like it could be either, they keep going back and forth and each comes up with a valid argument... The fact that I can compare the Wii with the original Xbox is pathetic. Wii is supposed to be current gen, yet the Xbox is equal to or has the Wii beat in terms of power...
@Quake Yeah and i'll say it too: The PS3's library is at least 50% rated M games... And the amount of GOOD games is at least 65% rated M games... But I would rather have that than games that are aimed at children...
@TrueWiiMaster You've never even played any of them yourself rofl. Yes, Dead Space 2 is hard BECAUSE of that. Batman Arkham City is also difficult, have you even played it? It's about maybe 50/50 but still a fun but difficult game. God of War and Dante's Inferno are both equal in difficulty, especially with the inferno difficulty and the god difficulty set on each one. And about 50-45% of games nowadays don't even have difficulty settings...
@Quake You obviously misread the comment... By mature games I didn't mean rated M, I was talking about games that weren't aimed at children... And about 55-60% of all of the Wii's library is for children. That is pathetic. I admit the DS has it's fair share of childish games, but the DS has more games than the Wii, and the good outweighs the bad. I would take my DS over my piece of garbage Wii any day.. Especially since unlike the Wii, the DS is a REAL successor to the gameboy. The Wii practically is a gamecube 1.5 (Literally)
@TrueWiiMaster If you were to also look at the GPU specs for each of the system you'd fine the Xbox's to be superior as well, not only in processing power but in shading affects and fogging affects. The Wii is pathetic. If the Wii was more powerful than the Xbox but yet the Xbox comes close it would STILL be pathetic, NO next gen system should be even comparable in power to the last gen systems... And the Xbox managed to one up the Wii even though the technology is from 2001, heck rofl even earlier than 2001 because 2001 was only the release date...
@TrueWiiMaster The Wii is weaker than the Xbox, in GPU and CPU... And the Xbox's graphics card is capable of doing more. Lol the only thing the Wii's GPU MIGHT have over the Xbox's is that it is capable of doing better bump mapping, overall, although not by a lot, the Xbox is more powerful than the Wii..
Games like Dead Space were originally designed for the original Xbox but since he Xbox died it was put on the Xbox 360.... And telling from Dead Space beta on the Xbox, the graphics were no different than they were on the 360.
@TrueWiiMaster You don't practice to beat any games, unless it's an RTS or anything that takes tactics... And although I have to admit I haven't played Monster Hunter, but no game where you beat monsters up with clubs is nearly as tough as ANY of the games I listed.
Oh and Rockstar developed for the DS because the DS isn't a joke... It's not weaker than the gameboy. While the wii is weaker than a last gen system. Plus the fact that mature ds games are more common than mature wii games...
@TrueWiiMaster And wrong, the list primarily had games that were hard in general... And the ones with difficulty settings are hardcore too, a heck of a lot more hardcore than Monster Hunter
@TrueWiiMaster Lol yeah sure they might port a few games to the wii because they know Nintendo fans are interested in games like marvel vs capcom... And others reasons might be that they just want some money, and developing for the wii is easy. Although Nintendo exclusives are more popular, that still is no excuse at all. Ratchet And Clank are pretty big, and has just as much ability as Donkey Kong to overshadow releases (Not as much as Mario or Zelda of course), and although sales are leaps over the average PS3 game, do you see more mature games taking drastic hits?
@Quake The fact that the Wii's graphics are inferior to the Xbox's is proof in itself. It has NOTHING to do with developers... Absolutely ZERO. No one would waste money on making a game if they know the console is a joke.
@TrueWiiMaster And don't try to use how Nintendo exclusives overshadow any others... Aren't you aware that PLAYSTATION and XBOX has exclusives too...?
@Assassin87 This site isn't made for Wii owners. It's made for Nintendo fans. The Wii was the biggest disappointment of this gen BY FAR. Underestimating the importance of power is the dumbest decision Nintendo has ever made in it's lifetime, even worse than the virtual boy decision.
@TrueWiiMaster I already made the list Also, almost all of the games you said are NOT innovative... They've almost all been done before, yup, even boom blox. Look up a PC game called Roblox... And plus the Wii doesn't have any innovative games either... They have ALL been done before. Motion control has been done before... Sony did it back in 2001! Not only with the eyetoy but PS Move is a very old peripheral... Also I could use an even better argument- Why isn't the newest Mortal Combat on the Wii? Why isn't GTA IV on the Wii? Why isn't Red Dead Redemption on the Wii? Why isn't Dante's Inferno on the Wii (ROFL it's on the PSP and not the Wii, and the PSP is weaker than the Wii), and why isn't Battlefield 3 on the Wii? The Wii is considered a joke to most actually GOOD developers... One of the best gaming developers in the industry, Rockstar, wouldn't even considered putting one of their amazing games on the garbage that is the Wii.
@_toadee Without specs Wii U games will look like PS3 games... WHy buy a Wii U when I have a PS3...? Nintendo exclusives aren't enough for someone to throw 350$ away..
@Slapshot The 3DS is keeping up with the competition... The PSVita isn't light years ahead like the wii and the ps3. The 3DS tactic is COMPLETELY different from the Wii's
@Quake Yup. And that's only CPU processing. Btw the Wii processor is 729 MHz, at least that's the rumor. GPU on the Xbox is also more powerful than the Wii's... Overall Xbox is a bit more powerful than the Wii.
@Quake Very true... But PC gaming is another thing all together... Hell, it's on a different level than PS3/360, so I can't imagine how much it demolishes the Wii.
@TrueWiiMaster True. By sound I didn't mean soundtrack, I mean how you could hear swords clashing and stuff like that. The crunch of the ground beneath your feet. Deep sound detail. It makes for a great experience.
@Quake Saying that you "played it before" I can imply that you don't own it and you have not finished the game. And you can't finish the entire game with melee attacks even if it's on easy difficulty -_-.
@TrueWiiMaster I've got to say in terms of games the Gamecube is more comparable to the PS2 than Xbox... Xbox was a gen ahead in terms of tactics and that's why it got the fewest sales. It had online FPS games and good graphics before it was cool.
@Quake Melee doesn't do anything... Sure it's a nice thing to have and decently powerful. The problem is that your enemies can also melee, and their melee is atleast 5x the power of your own, Heck if one gets 4 to 5 hits on you then you die.
@TrueWiiMaster Did you look at the link I showed you?
Monster Hunter is AMAZING. In last gen standards...
If I were to compare Monster Hunter Tri and Skyrim in terms of level of detail and amount of time put into the games who would get the vote? Skyrim.
The fact that Skyrim has insane amounts of content and has graphics, story, and sound as icing on the wonderful cake makes it on a completely different level compared to Monster Hunter, which has lackluster sound, graphics, and to some extent, story. Sure the core gameplay is equal if not better than Skyrim, but it has no icing, and is dry in comparison.
@TrueWiiMaster The planning is what makes the game difficult. On the hardest difficulty you have to plan out everything as you go on, and it being a horror games leaves no time for planning.
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@TrueWiiMaster The VAST MAJORITY of wii games are sold to casual gamers... Look at Wii Sports Resort and wii music sales.....
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@TrueWiiMaster Of course the online part doesn't bother you much... I think the only reason it doesn't is because you haven't experienced how much online play does for a game system. The Wii's online play is inferior to a handheld's online play, which is just hilarious.
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@Quake And Bully for the Wii is just a port of the PS2 version, I said Rockstar wouldn't bother developing for the Wii.
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@Quake No... The 360 version of Bully was better than the Wii version in every way possible. The Wii version was pretty much the PS2 version with added missions... While the 360 version had added local multiplayer, better graphics, and all the missions the Wii version had... Along with better controls.
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@TrueWiiMaster Monster Hunter Tri: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_3FxjCwQWM
(Not counting many many others I saw)
Super Mario Galaxy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMoODFlJvaE&feature=related
ALL games have glitches, and of course HD console games are A LOT more polished than any game on the Wii. And exactly, the fact that a lot of good PS3 exclusives take 2 years at the last to develop means that they have plenty of polish... Wii games are pretty much last gen, why do you think it has so many games? Developers always say Wii is the easiest system to develop games for...
Re: Rumour: Wii U Components Cost $180, Will Retail at $300
Why are you guys just buying it on day 1 for no reason? What is there to hype the system up..? All it has at launch is a couple of game that you could easily get for a PS3/360... And plus if this news is true, WTH would you buy a system that is just BARELY more powerful than something you already have....?
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Wii U will fail if Nintendo tries the same tactic as last gen... Casual gamers already have a Wii, and ARE NOT willing to buy the successor. Hardcore gamers are not going to buy something underpowered. The Wii U will flop if Nintendo releases it being just as powerful as a PS3/360...
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I'm not getting this if the games look like my PS3 games.... Wth would I get a last gen console when I already have one?
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Rofl wrong. Wii games tend to have TONS more glitches than any HD console game... Especially since Wii games don't receive patch updates... I encountered a problem with Bully: Scholarship edition where the gate was closed so I couldn't go on to the next mission... And NO wii games never ever take years to develop unless they are made y top notch developers like Nintendo...
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@Quake Indeed that is the developer's fault, but the developers are who makes the games right? We all know Wii developers are usually lazy, making games like My Horsez and My Hamster..... So if most Wii exclusive developers are lazy and most of the HD system's developers spend years on their games, wouldn't that make HD system games more polished? (I don't even know why I had to explain that because we all know that HD console games are more polished...)
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@TrueWiiMaster Have to say that is a pretty good argument. A game that is meant to be hard of course is hardcore. The PS3 has it's fair share of hardcore games in that case... I might have underestimated the amount of hardcore games on the Wii in this case, as the Wii has quite a few puzzle games and others that you would say give you a challenge... But PS3/360 games have their challenges too, check out PSN Store, plenty of puzzle games and games meant to be difficult there. I was also using Metroid Prime 3 as a prime example of bad AI. MP3's AI is usually what the average Wii game's AI usually is... But if you were to play a PS3 game you would notice enemies have the ability to pick up your grenades and throw them back at you, they take cover and don't just stand a shoot, etc.
And I also wanted to bring in the online part of the two consoles... This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE factor in modern day gaming, and will definitely be even bigger in the next generation of consoles. The DS's online play was at least comparable to the PSP's online play... But the Wii's online play is beat by even the PSP... And that is simply not acceptable. Wouldn't you agree that if Nintendo were not to get in sync with online capabilities next gen, the Wii U will be at a huge risk of flopping? Considering that the majority of Wii sales went to casual gamers and casual gamers all now have Wii systems already or if not a Wii system an xbox 360 with kinect that if Nintendo uses the same technique as last gen the Wii U will fail? Think about it... Casual gamers already have a casual system, why buy another? They most definitely will not know the Wii U is the successor... The ONLY sales Nintendo will get next gen is off of the true gamers... And please do not say a lot of true gamers bought the Wii, because it is widely known that the Wii is known as a "casual system".
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@TrueWiiMaster Lol Excitebots is harder than mario kart btw? ROFL... One game is only need to dismiss this statement: Mario Kart 7.
ANd of course you've never played GTA IV if you say the driving doesn't mean anything... You do know the entire game revolves around driving, right? Tell me, if driving isn't what makes a game like that hard then you get on multiplayer and try to dodge missiles from players in helicopters and multiple other cars chasing you while shooting at yours tires and through your windows... You will find it to be quite difficult without good driving skills (It's like one of the most essential things in the game, you do more driving than walking.)
If a game is hard, then it should be considered hardcore... Rather it takes upping the difficulty settings or not. And Wii games have some of the most terrible AI I have seen in gaming... Wii AI is almost comparable to some of the game I have on my DS's AI. The only thing they do is give you less health and maybe add a few more enemies in place of better AI... And since the Wii can't handle a lot of enemies on screen, the Wii fails at even giving you plenty of enemies.
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@TrueWiiMaster No Kratos killing a civilian was part of the storyline. I can kill civilians in GTA IV all I want, because it isn't part of the storyline. Feels different.
And even if I kill civilians in video games without feeling bad, why is it supposed to make me feel bad...? They don't have lives, and they are all programmed through a computer... Would you feel bad about destroying a computer?
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster Lol Super Maro Galaxy did have glitches. All of those games do, but of course none are as widely known as GoW's glitches. I loved Super Mario Galaxy, I just wish they would acknowledge and remake Super Mario Sunshine on the 3DS/ Wii U.
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@TrueWiiMaster I do agree Portal can be taken care of with walkthroughs but hardcore gamers usually don't need walkthroughs. And really all that Wii games do when you increase difficulty is make you take more damage.... On PS3/360 usually the AI becomes smarter, your health goes down quicker, AND more enemies are on the screen. The Wii can't even run good AI and plenty of enemies on screen... The only game to showcase insane amounts of somewhat intelligent AI on screen was The Grinder, and i'm sure that's cancelled lol. GTA IV requires skill in driving and accuracy with shoot (If you're not a noob and play without lock on on). But mostly the driving part of GTA IV is a lot more of a challenge than driving in excite bots.... How can I say this without even had playing he game? Well GTA IV's driving is one word: Realistic.
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@Quake 3DS fogging effects: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/03/17/the-nintendo-3ds-knows-how-to-make-fog-its-built-on-a-chip/
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster All of the games you said required practice aren't hard at all with the exception of Sin and Punishment... Portal is hard, DO NOT compare it to a Sudoku... It is nothing like that and the type of thinking you're doing is completely different. GTA IV is challenging, although I said "arguably". You try lasting 10 minutes with a 6 star wanted level you tell me that "Excitebots" is harder. I'm still laughing at the fact that you listed excitebots... I mean i'd understand mario kart but... Excitebots...? Lol.
And plus video games don't ruin your "morals"... I without a doubt have better morals than most people I know, and I played Conkers Bad Fur Day at the age of five (look the game up). The problem with morals is that you don't know rather they are good or not until you test them on especially complex situations. But back on subject, playing video games aren't supposed to oppose your morals... I mean I WILL ADMIT that when I play God Of War and Kratos kills a civilian I kind of grimace, but I don't put down the game entirely... In GTA IV there isn't a lot of sex at all, the only sexual part in it is the fact that you can go to the red light district and pick up a hooker (This is completely optional, just like killing civilians is...). And it is understandable that you may not like GTA IV, I mean the story revolves around some eastern European guy trying to make it big and having to kill to get it. But Red Dead Redemption's story is pretty much the same as a western movie with the same amount of violence encountered in said movie... You really find western movies too vile to watch...?
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@Quake So you do not want to kill police officers.... In a video game... I suppose it's reasonable if you have a family member that died in the police force but, c'mon.. -_-. Killing people in general is bad. Killing ANYTHING is bad. And if your going to not play a game because of that, well you might as well stick to puzzle games.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Wrong... A hardcore gamer would collect the collectibles... If the game appeals to a hardcore gamer who enjoys a challenge then it is considered hardcore. I know a hardcore gamer could also enjoy easy games too, but i'm talking about hardcore games that hardcore gamers flock to in the masses.
And having collectibles doesn't means that it's a hardcore game, being challenging makes it a hardcore game. Super Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Portal 2, and Dead Space 2 are challenging, so they are all hardcore games... But in reality it depends completely on the gamer and how good you are at video games. I can assure you that Dead Space 2 on the hardest difficulty is almost as "hardcore" as you can get. Not up there with sin and punishment but it's not easy by a long shot.
I also speak of games that take skill... So in this aspect Call Of Duty (Rather it be a mindless shot em up or not) is hardcore. Battlefield 3 is hardcore. Super Smash Bros is hardcore. GTA IV is arguably hardcore... Soul Calibur IV is hardcore. All of these and the lot of the PS3/360's library is hardcore.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster No, I never said because you don't like gore... Gore and blood are completely different. God Of War 3 and Dante's Inferno are gore. GTA IV has no gore, just blood mostly...
I've seen REAL gore and I can tell you just so you can know, video game gore is just about as scarring as My Little Pony.... Comparing real gore an game gore is like comparing a nerf launcher to a rocket launcher.. Trust me.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
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Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake NO.. Dude the 3DS graphics chip's specialty is fog effects, look up the 3DS on wiki, click on it's graphics chip... That's widely known.
And Donkey Kong games are challenging. Bad example. Being mature has nothing to do with being hardcore.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster I don't care about the rating of the game, I grew up primarily playing E rated games, but some of the games I played were rated M (Conkers Bad Fur Day, GTA III, etc). I grew up mostly with my N64 and my Xbox. I had all three systems of last gen and enjoyed them all equally and still think the PS2 was way overrated. It's not that I think rated E games are kiddie games at all. It's just that games like Epic Mickey mostly appeal to kids, even though E stands for Everyone. The only reason your preference would be toward E rated games is because you don't play a lot of M rated games, and it's understandable because you don't have an HD system... Stop bringing up Nintendo exclusives, I am not talking about those btw.
If Epic Mickey was ported to the PS3/360 with updated graphics then it would score a 7/10.... The reason is because quite frankly, compared to the good PS3/360 games Epic Mickey is garbage. Nintendo is the only developer who makes it possible for last gen hardware to have games that match up and destroy PS3/360 games. Games like Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy are some of the ONLY games a sony/microsoft fan would want.... Why is that? Third party developers on the Wii are the worst of this gen, without a doubt.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster Processing speed isn't all that matters. Look at the discussion.
@TrueWiiMaster The only reason there are more E rated games on the Wii is because the Wii has more games...... In order to have an M rating, the game usually has red blood in it. If there were certain parts in Metroid Prime were you could kill humans then it would have an M rating.... Games like Battlefield only have an M rating because there is blood. GTA IV on the other hand has drugs, sex, blood, and guns... M rating is justified, but still there is no doubt most games that are rated M on the PS3/360 are only marked that way because there is blood.
And you don't like Red Dead Redemption just because it's too "violent" to you? ROFL. I mean there was one part in the game that might be a bit graphic and if more of the game were like it I would totally say it's all justified, but the worst thing you'd find in the game is that you can shoot people and blood comes out, and the fact that there is a bit of cursing. The Wii has no variety, because nearly the majority of the library are childish games... And the majority of the PS3/360 library aren't mature rated games, just the majority of games that are considered good. The PS3/360 I admit the majority of good games are M/T rated, but to be honest all of the E rated games still exceed the average Wii game, even if they have a bad review... Say a game like Epic Mickey... Looks great doesn't it? If it were ported to the PS3/360 without any improvements then the game would probably get a 6.5/10.... Different story on the Wii because the expectations are higher on the 360/PS3...
Tell me, do you expect an average Wii game to have ragdoll physics? Well that's what's expected on PS3/360 titles. Do you expect Wii game to have graphics AT LEAST as good as GTA IV? That's what's expected on the average PS3/360 game. Expectations on the Wii are as low as the expectations were for the gamecube/xbox.
Oh and theres nothing wrong with liking E/T rated games, but when you say you can't take a game just because there is blood in it makes you sound... I love my Nintendo exclusives but it sounds to me like all you play IS Nintendo exclusives...
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake And Batman Arkham City (I mistakenly put Arkham Asylum, I don't own it so I can't judge) is hard... I was talking about on the hard difficulty setting. And rather a game has difficulty settings doesn't mean that it isn't hardcore, because batman arkham city is hard to complete fully rather it's on easy, normal, or hard.
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@Quake Oh and yes it is in the software, but also in the graphics card.. For example, the 3DS's graphics chip's specialty is in fogging effects, check out RE: Revelation's fog.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster The Wii doesn't have ANYTHING beaten in software. It has the most shovelware out of any system ever made.... You simply do not have a current gen system (The wii isn't current gen, it's a gamecube 1.5). Playing and watching a couple of games means nothing if you can't dig deep into them and enjoy them... Five hours on a system with multiple games would lead me to believe you've played one hour of each game. That's DEFINITELY not enough time to actually evaluate anything. Quake is in a better position to argue.
Also before saying the Wii is more powerful look at this: <a rel="external" href="http://www.avforums.com/forums/xbox/1141405-whats-more-powerful-original-xbox-wii.html">http://www.avforums.com/forums/xbox/1141405-whats-more-powerful-original-xbox-wii.html</a>
Seems like it could be either, they keep going back and forth and each comes up with a valid argument... The fact that I can compare the Wii with the original Xbox is pathetic. Wii is supposed to be current gen, yet the Xbox is equal to or has the Wii beat in terms of power...
@Quake Yeah and i'll say it too: The PS3's library is at least 50% rated M games... And the amount of GOOD games is at least 65% rated M games... But I would rather have that than games that are aimed at children...
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@TrueWiiMaster You've never even played any of them yourself rofl. Yes, Dead Space 2 is hard BECAUSE of that. Batman Arkham City is also difficult, have you even played it? It's about maybe 50/50 but still a fun but difficult game. God of War and Dante's Inferno are both equal in difficulty, especially with the inferno difficulty and the god difficulty set on each one. And about 50-45% of games nowadays don't even have difficulty settings...
@Quake You obviously misread the comment... By mature games I didn't mean rated M, I was talking about games that weren't aimed at children... And about 55-60% of all of the Wii's library is for children. That is pathetic. I admit the DS has it's fair share of childish games, but the DS has more games than the Wii, and the good outweighs the bad. I would take my DS over my piece of garbage Wii any day.. Especially since unlike the Wii, the DS is a REAL successor to the gameboy. The Wii practically is a gamecube 1.5 (Literally)
@TrueWiiMaster If you were to also look at the GPU specs for each of the system you'd fine the Xbox's to be superior as well, not only in processing power but in shading affects and fogging affects. The Wii is pathetic. If the Wii was more powerful than the Xbox but yet the Xbox comes close it would STILL be pathetic, NO next gen system should be even comparable in power to the last gen systems... And the Xbox managed to one up the Wii even though the technology is from 2001, heck rofl even earlier than 2001 because 2001 was only the release date...
@TrueWiiMaster The Wii is weaker than the Xbox, in GPU and CPU... And the Xbox's graphics card is capable of doing more. Lol the only thing the Wii's GPU MIGHT have over the Xbox's is that it is capable of doing better bump mapping, overall, although not by a lot, the Xbox is more powerful than the Wii..
Games like Dead Space were originally designed for the original Xbox but since he Xbox died it was put on the Xbox 360.... And telling from Dead Space beta on the Xbox, the graphics were no different than they were on the 360.
Although it is bad quality, you can't see a huge difference at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuOBsih6Os0
@TrueWiiMaster You don't practice to beat any games, unless it's an RTS or anything that takes tactics... And although I have to admit I haven't played Monster Hunter, but no game where you beat monsters up with clubs is nearly as tough as ANY of the games I listed.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
Oh and Rockstar developed for the DS because the DS isn't a joke... It's not weaker than the gameboy. While the wii is weaker than a last gen system. Plus the fact that mature ds games are more common than mature wii games...
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@TrueWiiMaster And wrong, the list primarily had games that were hard in general... And the ones with difficulty settings are hardcore too, a heck of a lot more hardcore than Monster Hunter
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@TrueWiiMaster It never innovated anything. Sony had motion control before the Wii was even thought of... And the power glove isn't motion control.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster Lol yeah sure they might port a few games to the wii because they know Nintendo fans are interested in games like marvel vs capcom... And others reasons might be that they just want some money, and developing for the wii is easy. Although Nintendo exclusives are more popular, that still is no excuse at all. Ratchet And Clank are pretty big, and has just as much ability as Donkey Kong to overshadow releases (Not as much as Mario or Zelda of course), and although sales are leaps over the average PS3 game, do you see more mature games taking drastic hits?
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@Quake The fact that the Wii's graphics are inferior to the Xbox's is proof in itself. It has NOTHING to do with developers... Absolutely ZERO. No one would waste money on making a game if they know the console is a joke.
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@TrueWiiMaster And don't try to use how Nintendo exclusives overshadow any others... Aren't you aware that PLAYSTATION and XBOX has exclusives too...?
@Assassin87 This site isn't made for Wii owners. It's made for Nintendo fans. The Wii was the biggest disappointment of this gen BY FAR. Underestimating the importance of power is the dumbest decision Nintendo has ever made in it's lifetime, even worse than the virtual boy decision.
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@TrueWiiMaster I already made the list Also, almost all of the games you said are NOT innovative... They've almost all been done before, yup, even boom blox. Look up a PC game called Roblox... And plus the Wii doesn't have any innovative games either... They have ALL been done before. Motion control has been done before... Sony did it back in 2001! Not only with the eyetoy but PS Move is a very old peripheral... Also I could use an even better argument- Why isn't the newest Mortal Combat on the Wii? Why isn't GTA IV on the Wii? Why isn't Red Dead Redemption on the Wii? Why isn't Dante's Inferno on the Wii (ROFL it's on the PSP and not the Wii, and the PSP is weaker than the Wii), and why isn't Battlefield 3 on the Wii? The Wii is considered a joke to most actually GOOD developers... One of the best gaming developers in the industry, Rockstar, wouldn't even considered putting one of their amazing games on the garbage that is the Wii.
Re: Nintendo: "Experience of Playing", Not Tech Specs, Key to Wii U
@_toadee Without specs Wii U games will look like PS3 games... WHy buy a Wii U when I have a PS3...? Nintendo exclusives aren't enough for someone to throw 350$ away..
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@Slapshot The 3DS is keeping up with the competition... The PSVita isn't light years ahead like the wii and the ps3. The 3DS tactic is COMPLETELY different from the Wii's
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@Quake Why don't they? Because the Wii isn't taken seriously. Why isn't it taken seriously? It's an underpowered joke of a system.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Even so, the Wii's best looking game doesn't beat chronicles of riddick or splinter cell chaos theory.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Yup. And that's only CPU processing. Btw the Wii processor is 729 MHz, at least that's the rumor. GPU on the Xbox is also more powerful than the Wii's... Overall Xbox is a bit more powerful than the Wii.
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@Quake Look both the Wii and Xbox up on Wikipedia and compare to the specs yourself...
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Nah it can't run on the Wii... I can't even stress how weak the Wii is... It's weaker than the original Xbox.
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@Quake Very true... But PC gaming is another thing all together... Hell, it's on a different level than PS3/360, so I can't imagine how much it demolishes the Wii.
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@TrueWiiMaster True. By sound I didn't mean soundtrack, I mean how you could hear swords clashing and stuff like that. The crunch of the ground beneath your feet. Deep sound detail. It makes for a great experience.
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@Quake Calling Dead Space 2 bad- The only actually good horror game of this gen... Gtho of the conversation.
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@Quake Saying that you "played it before" I can imply that you don't own it and you have not finished the game. And you can't finish the entire game with melee attacks even if it's on easy difficulty -_-.
@TrueWiiMaster I've got to say in terms of games the Gamecube is more comparable to the PS2 than Xbox... Xbox was a gen ahead in terms of tactics and that's why it got the fewest sales. It had online FPS games and good graphics before it was cool.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake Melee doesn't do anything... Sure it's a nice thing to have and decently powerful. The problem is that your enemies can also melee, and their melee is atleast 5x the power of your own, Heck if one gets 4 to 5 hits on you then you die.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@Quake You only named two glitches... How is that considered massive?
And BF3 isn't considered AAA by my standards, but just about everyone who's ever reviewed it's standards lol.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster Did you look at the link I showed you?
Monster Hunter is AMAZING. In last gen standards...
If I were to compare Monster Hunter Tri and Skyrim in terms of level of detail and amount of time put into the games who would get the vote? Skyrim.
The fact that Skyrim has insane amounts of content and has graphics, story, and sound as icing on the wonderful cake makes it on a completely different level compared to Monster Hunter, which has lackluster sound, graphics, and to some extent, story. Sure the core gameplay is equal if not better than Skyrim, but it has no icing, and is dry in comparison.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
@TrueWiiMaster The planning is what makes the game difficult. On the hardest difficulty you have to plan out everything as you go on, and it being a horror games leaves no time for planning.