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@TrueWiiMaster And plus NO Nintendo cannot take too many losses... You are forgetting about the PRODUCTION COSTS of the Wii U, Nintendo keeps producing Wii U consoles and they don't sale then Nintendo will fail..

@TrueWiiMaster Casual gamers DO NOT CARE about crap like new HD graphics... The Wii U offers NOTHING new... The new controller isn't actually new, because the PSVita and the PS3 have the same functionality... What do you think the "Never stop gaming" campaign is about..? Casual gamers have everything that they need and more WITHOUT the Wii U. Smart phones are enough to hold them, but then they have the Wii and 360... And why in the world would they buy the Wii U? To them it's just an upgrade of the system that they already have, they don't know it's a successor. ESPECIALLY since the Wii U's primary controls are literally the same controllers as the Wii.

And by hardcore gamers I don't mean people who buy games for the difficulty, I mean MATURE gamers, and they take up the majority of the console market (49%). The only reason Mario Kart sold so well is because it's made by Nintendo AND it appeals to casual gamers, AND kids, same with super smash bros... And NO casual gamers could care less about Nintendo, general gamers have both microsoft and sony, and plus ROFL the majority of people I know (Mostly PC gamers) think the Wii is a complete joke... They can EMULATE super smash bros brawl, so they don't even take the Wii into consideration. Nintendo fans still support Nintendo, but we are a dying breed, while Microsoft and Sony are gaining more fans than losing... Please compare this site's community to a PS3 forum/ Sony fan site... Although maybe slightly you will see Sony sites generally have more accounts.

Being a Nintendo fan means that you enjoy Nintendo exclusive games and support Nintendo. Even though I support Nintendo, I will NOT support them becoming another SEGA. Those billions of dollars of bank? That's not a lot.... Especially since I put a situation out where Nintendo would FAIL a gen... Do you know how much money would be lost? Seriously...? Nintendo is not in as good as shape as you may think they are.... The Wii U is in a hole if they keep up the same tactic as before. As I said before, casual gamers have their cell phones or already have Wiis, and if not those two then they have kinect.... Hardcore gamers aren't going to buy it because it will be so weak and pathetic looking next to the xbox 720 and PS4... More Nintendo fans will be lost because a great many think that the Wii is a failure. I don't think you noticed, but most gamers consider the Wii to be a joke, and some even consider Nintendo to be a joke. THAT'S bad news. Considering they are the only ones Nintendo has in the end, because the amount of Sony and Microsoft fans, this gen at least, dwarf the amount of Nintendo fans. The statement is debatable, but without a doubt there are a lot less Nintendo fans than before...

@TrueWiiMaster Buying a 250$ console just for first party games doesn't make you a Nintendo fan, it makes you a fool who got tricked out of their money. If the amount of Nintendo exclusives exceeded the amount of 3rd party games on both the 360 and PS3 then sure, but they don't.

@Quake If you're looking for long standing online games, buy a gaming PC... And Halo 2 was fun without the online anyway...

THE MAJORITY of hd console games are fun without the online... Red Dead, GTA IV, Mass Effect, Bioshock, RAGE, etc.

@Quake BF3 was flawed at launch, yes, but a couple of days to a week later the game was working perfectly.... And the newest update only ADDED to the game so there is more bang for the buck, and even so, WHO PLAYS ONLINE GAMES THAT ARE EIGHT YEARS OLD!? Unless you're poor and can't afford any better, theres absolutely no reason to. And plus the amount of excitement to be had with BF3 exceeds any Wii game's single player component... Because nothing is scripted and the frostbite 2 engine is simply AMAZING. I doubt that you even ever had BF3 because I bought it at launch and the only glitches I have encountered so far was the online bug at launch and graphical glitches.... And ever since I downloaded the patch, the game has been absolutely perfect.... The only thing that is NOT good about BF3 is the single player campaign, and you would have to be really sore to actually trade in BF3 just because there is a mission where you have to kill police officers... DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE STORY OF THE GAME... There is a REASON you have to kill them. And the fact that you traded it on because of one of it's CAMPAIGN components is just stupid, because the game completely revolves around the multiplayer.... And even with the campaign being garbage, its still better than what i've seen on the Wii (The Conduit).

@Quake You continuously mention online play having an expiration date, even so does that make it ANY less fun? How many years did it take Xbox Live for the Xbox to go down?

@Quake Although I must admit that to be a hilarious mistake, the fact that you still undermine the importance of online play, even into the next generation of consoles, is nothing short of ignorant and laughable.

@TrueWiiMaster ROFL NO. Have you even PLAYED any game remotely similar to wipeout? F-Zero would even count.... I don't even have to PLAY excitebots to know that it is a hell of a lot slower paced than Wipeout. Wipeout runs at a constant 60 FPS and speeds on average are in the 1000s in mph... It is by far one of the most intense racing games there is... I mean seriously??? C'mon, wipeout being slower paced than excitebots? That is like an insult...

Kid Icarus is definitely intense, but I have plenty of PS3 games and can still say even though it is more intense than most, BF3 still beats it in intensity.

@TrueWiiMaster It narrows them down, but the single player focused games on the HD consoles like Mass Effect and BioShock certainly are great for those type of gamers...And however much I love Nintendo exclusives EVEN THEY are affected by the Wii's pathetic power... And just first party games, even if they are Nintendo, do not stand a chance against hundreds of great 3rd party games...

Would you buy a 250$ Nintendo console if ALL it had were Nintendo exclusives and nothing more...? NO. I need Nintendo exclusives along with other great 3rd party games...

@TrueWiiMaster Kid Icarus on my 3DS is more intense than what you showcased with Monster Hunter -_-. Excitebots still is inferior to Wipeout in intensity.

@TrueWiiMaster Rofl that engine looks like garbage compared to RAGE, especially the RAGE physics engine.

@TrueWiiMaster Dude if you are going to give me examples of intense games AT LEAST try.... I mean seriously, really? Monster Hunter footage looked very disappointing compared to MOST of the games that I have on my PS3.... Excitebots is not as intense as Wipeout HD... Monster Hunter isn't intense at all. And should I bring up Battlefield 3 again to combat the MW3 gameplay?

Heres a game that is pretty old and yet still is more intense...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrnm6SeAaRI

Please note, unlike Wii games NONE of this is scripted and is just an everyday moment in Battlefield: Bad Company 2... And really I didn't try to even find intense footage, I clicked the first thing I saw lol.

Additional content is a YES. The Xbox 360, unlike the Wii, when handling large multiplat games uses multiple discs... PS3 games go up to 50 GB in space and the Wii's discs are terrible in comparison.... Graphics are a YES because HD consoles obviously have drastically better graphics... And YES graphics do matter because they add on to the game, just like story, sound, and controls... And saying online is not an advantage? I can't take any more of your comments serious on forward.... That makes me doubt that you even own an HD system, although you seem to have some knowledge on them anyway. ANYONE with an HD system would understand how big of a part that online plays in the current gen market, and seeing as though the WIi's online is inferior to the PSP's, that is the biggest advantage..

And another advantage is 3rd party support... Wii third party support is absolutely horrendous... While HD console third party support is wonderful.

And HD console physics engines makes Wii physics engines look like they come from 1998... The RAGE engine destroys ANY wii engine that you could ever think of, including boom blox....

@Quake Xenoblade does not compare to Skyrim in amount of content... You haven't had your account hacked on the Wii because YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT ON THE WII? Rofl what do you think this is? The 3DS? It doesn't have Nintendo Network support...

@Quake Exactly.... If you want to be able to say "All HD console gamers care about is graphics" then you are look at the wrong people, GO PICK WITH A PC GAMER ON THAT ONE.... People who actually are tired of playing the same games with the same graphics with the same physics engines with the same story length are the ones who move onto consoles that can actually run MORE than all of that... GTA IV is over 100 missions long, not counting the side missions, online play, and DLC content...

@Quake No E rated platformers...? Ratchet And Clank...? Little Big Planet (This game ALONE destroys ANY wii 3rd party platformer). Batman Arkham City..?

And the Wii can NEVER be able to run GTA IV... It can't even run a watered down version... I doubt the PSVita could even run all of GTA IV

@Quake I have No More Heroes, I liked the style but the game was boring... No More Heroes 2 looks way better. MadWorld doesn't look very intense... At all really... Not in comparison to that small mission I showed of GTA IV, lol you have yet to see how insane the multiplayer could get... Why can't the Wii run such an intense game? PROCESSING POWER...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qUUnz7vZ44

Like this: Just a simple mission in GTA IV... (Don't worry all the cops in the video are corrupt and are trying to kill the main character's associate for some reason)

This is more intense than ANY Wii games that I have ever seen.

@TrueWiiMaster And Sony didn't lose a lot of support with the PS3, YES I would definitely say when it first launch at 599$ it lost crap loads of support, but over time (Notably 2008/2009) sony fans came flocking back to a console with more games, slimmer, and more exclusives... Although Sony may be missing out on porting some exclusives to the PS3, it doesn't matter! Because the PS2 had WAY too many exclusives to port anyway, and current sony exclusives are a heck of a lot better than before, even though it's not quite as diverse... Nintendo could have DESTROYED the 360 and PS3 in both sales AND fan support if they actually didn't make such pathetic hardware... The Wii is a PRIME example of why hardware is important... Sales mean NOTHING to real gamers, they just want great games, and plenty of them... And Wii has more shovelware than anything, and the games that ARE great just do not look as intense and fun in comparison to a PS3/360 game... The only games that DO are first party games made by Nintendo.

@TrueWiiMaster Stop bringing up how much HD graphics contribute, because they DON'T... Like at all. HD gaming is old. And PS3/360 are both lacking in the HD compartment anyway because the vast majority of the games aren't native 1080p... HD gaming is not new, and it wasn't new when the HD consoles hit the shelves either, and even IF the console was more expensive, NINTENDO FANS WOULD BUY IT ANYWAY... Look at the N64, did YOU care about the price? The fact that the Wii didn't support most 3rd party games that were on the HD consoles is a HUGE factor, because those 3rd party games kick the hell out of the Wii's third party support.

@TrueWiiMaster No... They don't need anything new. I mean sure when it comes up, no problem with the PS4 having something new, but thy certainly do not need to... ESPECIALLY if they cut down the hardware because of it... The Wii could have been a huge success among ALL Nintendo fans, if it was at least 3-4x the power of the gamecube, but it wasn't a REAL successor. Let's face it, most Wii games can be ran on the gamecube. It would be stupid to deny that out of any other gen, the Wii drove out more Nintendo fans than ANY OTHER system that Nintendo has released... They should have made the Wii primarily support the classical controller and secondarily support the wiimote technology, and upped the processing power to be at the least a bit behind the xbox 360, another thing Nintendo keeps failing at... It's NOT a race to see who can put out their next gen system first, they need to wait and watch to see what happens before making their move.

@Quake Nope, not all of them. The WIi has more than the HD consoles, developers seem to shy out on the PS3/360 because developing for it is more expensive and they get more sales with Wii development anyway

@Quake Cooking Mama, Just about EVERY animated kid movie game, Petz, Barbie, Hannah Montana, shall I go on? Even though the DS has a lot of these games, it has MANY other games to make up for it... The DS library is DRASTICALLY larger than the Wii's.

The PS3 is magnificent without innovation... And if you want innovation, look at the xbox 360... Kinect is innovative, how could it not be? It is VERY far from a beefed up Eye Toy, it is arguably the most advanced camera to ever be used in gaming.

@TrueWiiMaster Monster Hunter is very far from my type of game... I don't like RPGs, and I HATE JRPGs... I can't stress my dislike of JRPGs enough.

And the Wii didn't "revolutionize" the industry... I will be the first to admit that the PS3 is not innovative, GAMING SYSTEMS DO NOT HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE. That's the main thing Nintendo fails to understand... You don't have to try to do something new every gen and then let processing power take a hit because of it... And even though it was never released, one part of it WAS released, that is the Eye Toy, and NO it was not a failure, it was actually pretty fun.

@Quake ALL of the games he's reviews can be found on my local store's shelf, rather I go to Target or Gamestop, all of the Wii games are little kiddie games. And a reflection of the people that live in my community? ROFL... Where did you even get that....? Games don't ship based on statistics -_-.

@TrueWiiMaster I suppose I would agree that Red Dead is one of the best games on the HD systems... But still, i've played the very best on the Wii (Super Smash Bros, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, etc) and although they are all very fun EVERY SINGLE TIME I get a 3rd party wii game that has a good review, in reality it's just as fun as playing a PS2 game... And let's face it, PS3 games are more fun than PS2 games...

@TrueWiiMaster The Wii is not unique or innovative... The only thing "innovative" you can name about it is the motion controls, which had already been done by sony back in 2001... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHJAyCICw4

And the power glove wasn't developed by Nintendo..

SOME of it's games are innovative, but not unique.. Games like Jet Set Radio are unique... My Little Pony is not unique.

@TrueWiiMaster Explain to me why the Wii is not terrible. And I will explain to you why the PS3 is not terrible.

@TrueWiiMaster Yeah but the fact that he has SO MANY to review is pathetic... The PS2 had plenty of shovelware, but 50% of it's library wasn't at least...

@Quake However horrible Socom 4 is it is still better than the average Wii game...

http://www.youtube.com/user/wiiviewr?ob=4

This is a channel I used to like to watch reviews from when I actually thought the Wii was the best of the three systems (When all I had was a Wii). I remember asking the guy to stop reviewing terrible games and calling them good because it would give the Wii a bad name. Lol it turns out THATS ALL THE WII GAMES HE COULD FIND. rofl.

@Quake That doesn't mean anything. I was pointing out that I have a Wii and PS3.

And it's hilarious because I have had my Wii since 2007 and had had my PS3 for only almost a year now ROFL... The Wii is terrible.

@TrueWiiMaster Considering the fact that PS3 has more single player games than multiplayer games, no, the Wii's single player games fail compared to most HD console games... All you keep bringing up is Nintendo exclusives and Monster hunter because we all know the ONLY good games on the Wii are Nintendo exclusives.. Games like Red Dead Redemption (lol I keep using that game) beat out 65% of the Wii's library in story, attention to detail, and the size of the game (Red Dead Redemption's map is ridiculously large). Don't say "I haven't played 65% of Wii games because I HAVE A WII and every time I go to buy a new PS3 game I always check the Wii shelf to see if any good games are available, but all I see is games that I could either get on my PSP, games that are for children, and games that are downright terrible... Then theres the 15% that are either Nintendo exclusive or actually good...

@TrueWiiMaster Nope, I have played online HD games, and I have a Wii and have online Wii games... Wii's online is not even comparable to the PSP's online... And the PSP has DLC, games with co-op, games with competitive play, games with 32 player online, and this is pretty much the norm in a lot of the PSP's better games... The DS and the Wii are equal in terms of online play. This is good for the DS, but bad for the Wii... The fact that the Wii only has one online game that is comparable to most HD console games js laughable. I mean c'mon dude... I admit a lot of co-op games don't increase difficulty, but most do... Check out Socom 4, it's online play is definitely better than Monster Hunters'... And may I make a huge point here: If Socom 4 was ported to the Wii everything included from the PS3 version, the game would get near to a 10/10... Why? Wii expectations are drastically lower than HD console expectations.

@TrueWiiMaster ROFL. Considering that I HAVE 17 PS3 games... Do you really want to know how many i've rented and played...? If you want to say who's played the most HD console games then I could definitely talk a lot about that one.

@Quake Yes, every single game you can tell me of has glitches, except t=puzzle games that have no 3D animation.

@Quake Yes, every single game you can tell me of has glitches, except t=puzzle games that have no 3D animation.

@TrueWiiMaster SO you've played 7 online HD games... And don't have a HD console... Where I have an HD console, 17 games, and a Wii console, with about 12 games... And yet I am somehow at a disadvantage.

@Quake Glitches cannot count as every game ever created has them... It's a permanent part of gaming as a whole. And LA Noire has new facial animation technology that pretty much enables REAL people to act out the facial animation for the entire game.

@TrueWiiMaster And no, none of them are the best online HD games.... Halo is definitely a contender of course, but COD sucks online, the only reason so many people buy it is because... Well some people are stupid.. Why would they be willing to buy the exact same game year after year, theres no other explanation. I can go ahead and look at Monster Hunter's online capabilities and judge from that, the amount of fun to be had is something else... I have PS3 games with more online capability than Monster Hunter.... I mean I am not going to lie, monster hunter has impressive online capabilities, but it definitely is not better than some of the PS3 games that I have seen... Co-op is pretty much standard in a lot of games in the HD consoles... And this is yet another reason you'd be better off buying an HD console.

@TrueWiiMaster So you're saying that less than a year is enough time to completely revamp the engine that ODST had and add tons more to it...? IT WAS IN DEVELOPMENT ALONGSIDE IT.

_{Again, chill out please. This is not a life-or-death situation, it's video gaming for goodness' sake. — TBD}

@TrueWiiMaster You've played only TWO btw? Rofl. And Monster Hunter isn't even a contender for the best online of this generation... Lol you say that because Monster Hunter is most likely the ONLY Wii game that has online comparable to HD console standards...

@Quake Skyward sword is nowhere near the amount of detail of LA Noire. Being a good game has nothing to do with the amount of detail put into it, LA Noire is one of the most detailed games on this generation. Everything down to even the facial expressions are perfect. And don't give me "Oh it has glitches" because EVERY SINGLE GAME in the history of all of the gaming industry has glitches hinder with the gameplay

@Quake The slim xbox 360 is a huge improvement over the fact version -_-... I shouldn't even have to name the improvements, because if you don't know then don't bother debating it.

@TrueWiiMaster Halo Reach has been in development well before Halo ODST -_-. THINK. Uncharted 2 was in development alongside Uncharted. COD Black Ops was in development alongside COD MW2. Most sequels that come out annually were already in development when their prequels were being developed. That has NOTHING to do with how long it takes to make an HD game. And Wii games don't take long AT ALL to develop. The only reason Skyward Sword took so long to develop is because Nintendo takes their time to make sure the game will be successful. Should I bring up the pathetic amount of space that Wii discs hold again? Don't give me how much space graphics take up on the disc, because in reality it is you who are overestimating the amount of space graphics actually take up on the disc. Wii games usually have no attention to detail... When I shoot at an object on any particular Wii game, it breaks and disappears 3 seconds later... If I were to shoot at say a vase in Red Dead Redemption, the part of the vase in which I shoot is the only area that actually gets affected, it doesn't totally get obliterated like on pretty much every Wii game. This is just ONE of the hundreds of details that really contribute to the gameplay experience in HD consoles. Wii games have the same attention to detail as there was with last gen games, sometimes even less rofl.

And this is another icing on the cake that Wii games do not have... The Wii lacks the processing power to have games that are comparable to current gen standard game. I can pick out a PS3 game that has a 6/10 and has more details than 60% of all Wii games rofl.

@Quake This shows that ALL games have glitches... And plus glitches like those are rare to find, as they aren't in the review... That game is more detailed than any Wii game ever made...

@Quake All of that was because it was running on the old Xbox 360, and it was known for crashing and graphical glitches... Compare a game like Monster Hunter and LA Noire and see how the glitches pair up... You will find LA Noire to be the superior.