@DatFunkySmell: "Then what made you want to play Fire Emblem (gba), Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn, and Shadow Dragon."
I had little awareness of Fire Emblem at the times those games were debuted, so I have no comment.
"How would you feel if this were an M-Rated game with censored/pixelated genitalia?"
Alright, now, that's a loaded question. I'm against censoring of ANY material, even if it's something that I may find repulsive.
@tsukipon: "Not to really get involved in the argument but the swimsuit stuff is so low quality and bad, that why would it be missed? As well as the petting? This goes to my initial comment, that defending it makes people sound like the kinds of perverts the features were meant for."
This question entirely misses the point. The removal of the petting mini-game and the swimsuits isn't the sole reason that people are upset, it's the fact that the game was censored at all that has got them irritated, and rightfully so. As for your initial comment, I respond with this: The people that are throwing a fit over the censored material being present but are okay with the blood and gore being present makes them sound like they want to enforce their arbitrary moral values on others. It's a two-way street.
@DatFunkySmell: "This isn't art. Far from it actually. It's a product specially curated to appeal to a specific sect of Japanese anime culture in the effort of getting their money. When your studio specifically goes out to hire famous manga writers and artists to help the game appeal, all artistic integrity is void."
In other words, you're saying the censored content in question isn't art because it doesn't fit your viewpoints? Your seemingly bitter tone surely indicates that.
"What you described are the most pointless features in the game that has never once been a driving force of what makes Fire Emblem compelling."
Speak for yourself. You may find the petting, the potion scene, and the swimsuits "pointless features", but, I assure you, others (myself included) beg to differ.
"You don't even play Zelda. You are in no way entitled to be offended, irritated, or tired of something you have zero interest in."
Translation: "I shouldn't ever express my viewpoints on any game that I haven't played unless it's positive." Understood.
"You don't like internet memes because they're in English I bet. But had it been a Japanese internet meme and you would be championing its use of 'culture'."
However, no Japanese version of a Nintendo title or any JRPG has ever made use of memes, at least as far as I know. Plus, I really don't approve of your straw-man argument.
@DatFunkySmell: "Why are so upset with silly memes in Zelda? Tri-Force heroes entire style was of one that meant NOTHING. Unless there's some other meme heavy game I'm not aware of. I don't internet very often."
I never played Tri-Force Heroes or any Legend of Zelda game, so I can't comment on its gameplay, but, yes, Nintendo of America has been forcing memes into their games for quite a while now, and, to be frank, I, as well as many others, are getting tired of it.
"It's also very bad form to use numbers as facts when you have to actual way of proving it(25%). The 3 game/s as advertised are worth the total $80 regardless of what's been changed."
The censored petting mini-game, which had hours worth of dialogue for each character that was in it, the censored magic potion scene, and the censored cosmetic options for the bathhouse. That's more than a QUARTER of content GONE, at FULL PRICE. Perhaps seeing these features removed is of no concern to you, but I just can't justify myself throwing away $80+ for less content.
@DatFunkySmell: "What makes you think the Japanese version is so sacred?"
Never said anything about the Japanese version of Fates being sacred.
"Did it ever occur to you that it too was 'localized' to appeal more to its market there just as it was here?"
Yes, NoA and the Treehouse censored all of the content that was deemed "objectionable" to get Fates to fit under mainstream appeal. The end result: a game that has more than 25% of its content censored and a watered-down story, all for the (sarcastically) LOW, LOW price of $80.00.
@DatFunkySmell: "If it gets distributed and localized for NA, then it was made for me too and just as Japan has it's audience catered to, westerners deserve the same treatment."
If, by this mindset, you mean that Westerners deserve to have Fire Emblem localized without have ANY of its content censored, the characters' names arbitrarily changed, and/ or its translation botched up, then yes, I agree with that. However, I know all too well that this isn't the case, judging from your preceding responses...
@DatFunkySmell "You have no idea who all the people are who play Fire Emblem."
Which people are you referring to? People from Japan or people from the U.S.? If you're referring to the latter, then, sorry to say, but the viewpoints of Japanese gamers of Fire Emblem matter to its creators more than that of the West since it was made primarily for them.
@Senpai_Bruh "Removing petting or bathing suits doesn't change the story what-so-ever."
Then what's the point of removing these features if they have no impact to the story, other than for arbitrary reasons and appealing to the politically-charged bashers that probably never generally cared for Fire Emblem initially at all? You could simply ignore them if you didn't want to use them.
@Senpai_Bruh: "Some censorship is dumb, but I'm not against it. The only time I won't get a game is if it's censored so much that it changes the story. Other than that, I'm ok with it."
Alright, then, I hope you have fun with any future gaming titles that you may be looking forward to buying, even if it has content, minor or major, arbitrarily stripped out of it.
I'm not at all surprised by this, since I knew already the "petting" feature for married partners is completely unrelated to the actual petting mini-game that has been censored. The only good thing about the Western version of Fates now is Aqua's (Azura's) singing, despite its few minor flaws. NoA and the Treehouse have done everything possible to make the Western debut of Fire Emblem Fates so unappealing to buy, including censoring swimsuits and bikinis from the Western version's bathhouse.
Having learned that the dialogue is being changed to appeal to easily-offended people that probably have no interest in Fire Emblem from the start, I'll have to forgo buying Fire Emblem Fates. It's disheartening that this had to happen, considering that this would've been my first Fire Emblem title ever.
Of course, what's even more disheartening is the fact that nearly EVERYONE here is defending the censorship. Sigh...
I, as well as most Nintendo fans, for sure, want the Nintendo Directs to continue and I think Mr. Iwata-san would want them to continue as well. Sure, they won't be the same without him, but I think those NDs really helped bring awareness to the new games coming out as well as some funny moments in between.
Before I say this, I have no ill will towards Mr. Pranger- I find it disheartening that he lost his occupation and hope that it won't be too long before he finds any new work.
Alright, now my thoughts...
Nintendo was right in firing Mr. Pranger. I understand that some may find this a bit over-the-top, but he made Nintendo's already-precarious situation worse by belitting his customers and violating his NDA by disclosing secret information to the public. No sane company would allow their employee to stay after being treasonous to their employers and their fans.
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Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell: "Then what made you want to play Fire Emblem (gba), Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn, and Shadow Dragon."
I had little awareness of Fire Emblem at the times those games were debuted, so I have no comment.
"How would you feel if this were an M-Rated game with censored/pixelated genitalia?"
Alright, now, that's a loaded question. I'm against censoring of ANY material, even if it's something that I may find repulsive.
@tsukipon: "Not to really get involved in the argument but the swimsuit stuff is so low quality and bad, that why would it be missed? As well as the petting? This goes to my initial comment, that defending it makes people sound like the kinds of perverts the features were meant for."
This question entirely misses the point. The removal of the petting mini-game and the swimsuits isn't the sole reason that people are upset, it's the fact that the game was censored at all that has got them irritated, and rightfully so. As for your initial comment, I respond with this: The people that are throwing a fit over the censored material being present but are okay with the blood and gore being present makes them sound like they want to enforce their arbitrary moral values on others. It's a two-way street.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell: "This isn't art. Far from it actually. It's a product specially curated to appeal to a specific sect of Japanese anime culture in the effort of getting their money. When your studio specifically goes out to hire famous manga writers and artists to help the game appeal, all artistic integrity is void."
In other words, you're saying the censored content in question isn't art because it doesn't fit your viewpoints? Your seemingly bitter tone surely indicates that.
"What you described are the most pointless features in the game that has never once been a driving force of what makes Fire Emblem compelling."
Speak for yourself. You may find the petting, the potion scene, and the swimsuits "pointless features", but, I assure you, others (myself included) beg to differ.
"You don't even play Zelda. You are in no way entitled to be offended, irritated, or tired of something you have zero interest in."
Translation: "I shouldn't ever express my viewpoints on any game that I haven't played unless it's positive." Understood.
"You don't like internet memes because they're in English I bet. But had it been a Japanese internet meme and you would be championing its use of 'culture'."
However, no Japanese version of a Nintendo title or any JRPG has ever made use of memes, at least as far as I know. Plus, I really don't approve of your straw-man argument.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell: "Why are so upset with silly memes in Zelda? Tri-Force heroes entire style was of one that meant NOTHING. Unless there's some other meme heavy game I'm not aware of. I don't internet very often."
I never played Tri-Force Heroes or any Legend of Zelda game, so I can't comment on its gameplay, but, yes, Nintendo of America has been forcing memes into their games for quite a while now, and, to be frank, I, as well as many others, are getting tired of it.
"It's also very bad form to use numbers as facts when you have to actual way of proving it(25%). The 3 game/s as advertised are worth the total $80 regardless of what's been changed."
The censored petting mini-game, which had hours worth of dialogue for each character that was in it, the censored magic potion scene, and the censored cosmetic options for the bathhouse. That's more than a QUARTER of content GONE, at FULL PRICE. Perhaps seeing these features removed is of no concern to you, but I just can't justify myself throwing away $80+ for less content.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell: "What makes you think the Japanese version is so sacred?"
Never said anything about the Japanese version of Fates being sacred.
"Did it ever occur to you that it too was 'localized' to appeal more to its market there just as it was here?"
Yes, NoA and the Treehouse censored all of the content that was deemed "objectionable" to get Fates to fit under mainstream appeal. The end result: a game that has more than 25% of its content censored and a watered-down story, all for the (sarcastically) LOW, LOW price of $80.00.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell: "If it gets distributed and localized for NA, then it was made for me too and just as Japan has it's audience catered to, westerners deserve the same treatment."
If, by this mindset, you mean that Westerners deserve to have Fire Emblem localized without have ANY of its content censored, the characters' names arbitrarily changed, and/ or its translation botched up, then yes, I agree with that. However, I know all too well that this isn't the case, judging from your preceding responses...
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@DatFunkySmell "You have no idea who all the people are who play Fire Emblem."
Which people are you referring to? People from Japan or people from the U.S.? If you're referring to the latter, then, sorry to say, but the viewpoints of Japanese gamers of Fire Emblem matter to its creators more than that of the West since it was made primarily for them.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@Senpai_Bruh "Removing petting or bathing suits doesn't change the story what-so-ever."
Then what's the point of removing these features if they have no impact to the story, other than for arbitrary reasons and appealing to the politically-charged bashers that probably never generally cared for Fire Emblem initially at all? You could simply ignore them if you didn't want to use them.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@gerima: "How do you know they removed the swimsuits?"
These screenshots of the Western and Japanese versions should be enough to explain that: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4725945&highlight=#4725945
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
@Senpai_Bruh: "Some censorship is dumb, but I'm not against it. The only time I won't get a game is if it's censored so much that it changes the story. Other than that, I'm ok with it."
Alright, then, I hope you have fun with any future gaming titles that you may be looking forward to buying, even if it has content, minor or major, arbitrarily stripped out of it.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement Clarifying How 'Petting' Will Work in Fire Emblem Fates
I'm not at all surprised by this, since I knew already the "petting" feature for married partners is completely unrelated to the actual petting mini-game that has been censored. The only good thing about the Western version of Fates now is Aqua's (Azura's) singing, despite its few minor flaws. NoA and the Treehouse have done everything possible to make the Western debut of Fire Emblem Fates so unappealing to buy, including censoring swimsuits and bikinis from the Western version's bathhouse.
Re: Poll: Which Nintendo Franchises Do You Most Want to See With the NX Launch?
Super Mario, Mario Kart, Metroid, Pokémon, and F-Zero.
Re: Nintendo Removes Infamous Drugging Scene From Western Localisation Of Fire Emblem Fates
Having learned that the dialogue is being changed to appeal to easily-offended people that probably have no interest in Fire Emblem from the start, I'll have to forgo buying Fire Emblem Fates. It's disheartening that this had to happen, considering that this would've been my first Fire Emblem title ever.
Of course, what's even more disheartening is the fact that nearly EVERYONE here is defending the censorship. Sigh...
Re: Nintendo Life Weekly: The Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot Ends, a Naughty Splatoon Octoling and More
Princess Daisy for Sm4sh!
Re: Reminder: There's Only One More Week Left To Vote In The Super Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot
I voted for Princess Daisy. Her loud and tomboyish characteristic would be a fun addition to Sm4sh.
Re: Updated Mario Kart 8 Wii U Hardware Bundle in North America Includes Both DLC Packs
Had the pre-installed game of Mario Kart 8 came with the DLC ALSO pre-installed, I would've considering buying this bundle...
Re: Talking Point: Considering the Future of Nintendo Direct and Beyond for Reaching Old and New Fans
I, as well as most Nintendo fans, for sure, want the Nintendo Directs to continue and I think Mr. Iwata-san would want them to continue as well. Sure, they won't be the same without him, but I think those NDs really helped bring awareness to the new games coming out as well as some funny moments in between.
Re: Chris Prangar, Nintendo Treehouse Staffer Who Recently Spoke About His Work, Confirms He's Been Fired
Hello Everyone; this is my first post.
Before I say this, I have no ill will towards Mr. Pranger- I find it disheartening that he lost his occupation and hope that it won't be too long before he finds any new work.
Alright, now my thoughts...
Nintendo was right in firing Mr. Pranger. I understand that some may find this a bit over-the-top, but he made Nintendo's already-precarious situation worse by belitting his customers and violating his NDA by disclosing secret information to the public. No sane company would allow their employee to stay after being treasonous to their employers and their fans.