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@greengecko007 Remakes like Wind Waker are objectively NOT bad. They're just not. No one thinks that except for you and a couple other trolls that are apparently just addicted to being contrary to the general consensus.

@greengecko007 Correct, I am smart. But I'm not so sure if you are, since you seem to think there's any appreciable difference in the way the terms "remaster" and "remake" are used in the context of video games.

http://kotaku.com/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd-the-kotaku-revi-1338127771

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/23/zelda-wind-waker-getting-wii-u-remake

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_legend_of_zelda_the_wind_waker_hd/b/wii_u/archive/2013/09/18/wind-waker-hd-review.aspx

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/22/the-legend-of-zelda-wind-waker-hd-offers-a-definitive-experience

http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/9/4710760/wind-waker-hd-and-the-pursuit-of-perfection

Click on any one of those, and if you're on a pc, hit ctrl+F and type in "remake". Since apparently that's an important part of this discussion to you.

@GraveLordXD That's fair and not at all unreasonable. I personally hope Nintendo has something in the works for the series, preferably on NX. I have a feeling that's what Retro's working on, but I guess we'll have to see.

@Bolt_Strike Aging? Game? What are these strange and foreign words of which I have never heard? Me so stupid.

@MajorasLapdog Thank you. I normally don't have this much to say, but as someone who's had his work stolen by freaking pirates and scammers, I am always just baffled that there are so many people that seem to be okay with the notion of ripping off the work of others. Most of these people would be singing a different tune if it happened to them.

@VanillaLake I'm not telling you to "read", I'm telling you that your opinion is wrong.

Overpriced and over-ugly.

@GraveLordXD Yeah, you said that already. I get the feeling that you're mostly just grumpy about the Wii's use of waggling in that game. I get it though, it's kind of in vogue right now to crap on motion controls.

@Bolt_Strike Oh really? Sounds like you played a different game.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/faqs/28694

Keep in mind that the original Metroid 2 was a Game Boy game, so what it was able to accomplish with such a shockingly diminutive amount of actual data is worth a lot more credit than you're giving it, in my opinion.

@GraveLordXD Other M wasn't spectacular, but it certainly wasn't as bad as some of the basement-dwelling funyon addicts of the Metroid community like to say it was. It was a good game, it just didn't adhere to the apparently unbending rules of the genre that the more vocal fans hold fast to. And if you're talking about the door glitch, it's pretty damn easy to avoid. It's not like it occurs at random. And it's not like previous Metroid games don't have glitches.

Anyway, I'm not here to defend Nintendo to the death, I'm here to defend common sense and personal restraint, two things that the gaming community is sorely in need of, which this non-event has made painfully obvious. Just get a grip and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled children. It gets old so fast.

@MajinSoul I know you're referring to me, so you might as well just reply directly to me. I never said the original Metroid 2 was "better than this remake", I said that a fan remake of Metroid 2 is not better than the ACTUAL Metroid games that Nintendo has put out between Metroid 2's release and now, which includes Prime Trilogy, and even Other M. There's just no comparison between the two, and anyone who actually believes that overhauling someone else's game and tacking on a little new content is actually BETTER than a wholly original game doesn't have respect for game design, or the process of creating new games.

@goonow Gamexplain doesn't like what? Also, what is a "Nintendo channel"?

@greengecko007 Literally none of what you're saying is true, but okay. And no, Digital Foundry don't have low standards, they just know enough about video game production to be able to tell the difference between a legitimate, professional-grade remake, and one that is nice but not legitimately impressive by any technical measure.

@Bolt_Strike Metroid 2 wasn't good to begin with? Are you on drugs, or are you currently not taking some drugs that you're supposed to be on? Also, I never said it was made with a "recycled GBA engine" so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

@GraveLordXD I have been playing the original on my Game Boy probably twice a year on average since the day I got it back in 1992. I haven't played this "remake" all the way through, but I have played it, and I have seen enough of it to know that, as good as it is, I'll take pretty much any new game from Nintendo over an amateur's retreading of a game that Nintendo themselves made 25 years ago. People love this "remake" because it's A) free, and B) it gives them a chance to complain about Nintendo. If Nintendo made an official remake of Metroid 2, I guarantee you people would be complaining. "It's not good enough! Why'd they change the aspect ratio?? Why are they charging $40 for a game that I can get for free on the internet??" Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

EDIT: People being upset over a game that they haven't played and for which no reviews even exist just proves that there are a lot of very toxic people in the gaming community. I mean is that something you're actually proud of? Because you shouldn't be. And really? People are upset that a FREE GAME was made unavailable by the people who own the rights to that game? GASP! I'm utterly shocked. I can't believe that would actually upset anyone! OMG like wtf lol

@VanillaLake @greengecko007 Wind Waker HD is one of the best remakes of the entire generation. Even the vaunted Digital Foundry agrees with that take. They also had a lot of positives for Twilight Princess HD, like this nice little summary: "On the whole, Zelda: Twilight Princess HD does everything we had hoped for in this remaster, and though there will always be some lasting 'wants', the turnout is strong enough to make a return to this game all the more compelling." I'll take that assessment, from people that actually know what they're talking about, over yours.

And the 3DS Zelda Remakes were both excellent by any benchmark, as was Star Fox 64 3D. I haven't played the Pokemon remakes, so I can't speak to those. But in general, if you're complaining about the quality of Nintendo's remakes, then you're overlooking the obvious in favor of your dedication to complaining.

@greengecko007 "This fan remake to me seems just as well crafted and thoughtfully made as some of the good software Nintendo has published."

It's not. Sorry to burst your bubble. You could learn to use the engine this project is built with in a couple of weeks, assuming you don't have some kind of learning disability. It looks well-made because it's a remake of a game that was already good to begin with.

@GraveLordXD So using Game Maker studio to remake an old Nintendo game is "better" than Nintendo taking the time to make original games in the series? You seem really smart. I guess someone should tell Nintendo that they can stop wasting money on new games. All they need is a couple of amateur hobby programmers and some free game design software to start churning out remakes of all their old games. Oh, except that won't work, because people supposedly only like old Nintendo games when they're free, and Nintendo can't continue to exist if they don't sell games for actual money.

@GraveLordXD lol okay. Please explain something to me, because every time I ask this question, I get zero response from people. How is taking an old game that Nintendo made and remaking it in a format that like a twelve year old child could learn somehow "better" than even the worst Metroid game that Nintendo has ever made? And don't use Federation Force as evidence. It's not out, so you can't speak to its quality.

@Kirk No, I mean I'll never let go of you, even after you're gone.

@greengecko007 I can't tell if you're joking or not. First off all, it's important to note that I specifically used the term "if they wanted to". Having said that, do you honestly not think that Nintendo could produce a better remake of a Game Boy game than some random guy using Game Maker Studio in his spare time? I mean I know people are really fawning over this little project, but it is not a technically impressive game from a production or programming standpoint.

And what "half-hearted" remakes are you referring to?

@greengecko007 Sure, Nintendo COULD have authorized it, but clearly they didn't. And for good reason. As nice as this remake was, if Nintendo actually wanted a remake of Metroid 2, I guarantee you they could do an immensely better job.

@Traskin7 There are plenty of "loud" people in this thread. They just happen to be on the other side of the debate.

@Enigk We'll see what Joe the Metroid fan thinks about this when (or if) a new (real) Metroid game comes out. If it sells as well as any other Metroid game, then I think that should count as evidence that no one REALLY cares, they just like having something to complain about.

@Kirk I'll never let go, Kirk!

Looks fun. They can call it Super Mario Galaxy Wars of Hyrule and I still wouldn't care, because I'm not a crazy person who gets stuck on the names of things.

@Therad Um, I specifically said in my reply to you that you don't lose your copyright if you don't defend it. I said that if you don't ever defend it, it could potentially "open a can of worms." By that I mean it could lead to you losing income from your copyrighted work because other people are selling it in your stead, or create an environment where people realize that you're not defending your copyright so more and more people start infringing on it in progressively more egregious ways, possibly taking it in directions you don't approve of for the property, and then if you finally do decide to start going after people you end up in a virtual bar fight against a hundred violators of your copyright at one time instead of calmly managing one or two cases at a time over the life of the copyright. These are just a couple of examples.

Okay, here's one. This a very respected university. Read #11. It basically confirms what I just said.

https://sites.lib.byu.edu/copyright/about-copyright/basics/

@Armand7 Don't tell me what to do.

@Enigk Even if you're not making money from it, it is a technical violation of a copyright to publicly perform a song without permission from the copyright owner, or to post a remake of it online, or to do anything else with it without permission. I posted this already, but I'll post it again for you: "Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work."

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#infringed

The Nintendo Power case is different from the Metroid remake in a lot of ways, but it probably comes down to the fact that Nintendo still owns the trademark on "Nintendo Power" even if they aren't currently using it. They're probably just proactively "defending" it for possible future use of the trademark. Selling your copy of Nintendo Power magazine is perfectly legal though. It's protected by the same laws that allow companies like Game Stop to exist. I personally wish Nintendo had left that one alone, but maybe they have plans for the magazine/its name that we don't know about yet. It's their call either way though.

@greengecko007 It's really not that dubious. It's actually a pretty cut-and-dry case. From the United States Copyright Office: "Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work."

Case closed.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#infringed

@Therad Lolz no guy, I'm not thinking of trademark. I'm very specifically telling you right now that I am very specifically thinking of copyright.

That's a nice little site you linked to, but it's not a legal resource and I wouldn't recommend you rely on it if you ever find yourself in a copyright dispute of any kind. It's just some guy's blog, and he even has a disclaimer saying that he's not a lawyer, he's just some random webmaster, and that site is just a giant brochure for his consulting service that he's trying to sell. Maybe stick to verifiable sources, preferably academic institutions/law schools, or even the US Copyright Office's own faq. And if you ever end up in a real copyright dispute, call a real copyright attorney and ignore that site.

@Traskin7 Oh thank you, kind and benevolent stranger, for setting me straight! Now go ahead and say the exact same thing to the literally hundreds of other people posting multiple comments in this thread. Oh wait, you're not going to because you agree with them! Funny how that works.

And no, I'm not personally offended by this game in any way shape or form. I literally just found out about it like two days ago, so it means nothing to me. What I'm offended by is the sense of entitlement and the sheer lack of common sense that so many people on this site seem to be suffering from. I'm here to defend rational thought, not Nintendo.

@Therad That's not exactly right. It's true that your copyright is still technically yours and is still technically valid even if you don't defend it. No one is going to take your copyright from you for being a bad copyright owner. However, precedence is incredibly important in copyright arbitration, and if you don't actively defend your copyright, you will potentially be opening up a can of worms that you will never be able to untangle.

@Traskin7 Right. So the "screw Nintendo!!!!!" mob= totally fine, but my stance of "let's not crucify Nintendo for doing what virtually every other company on the planet does"= me being cranky from low blood sugar. Got it.

EDIT: Oh, and the irony of your comment is further emphasized by the fact that you posted it in response to a person who flipped out and cursed at a stranger for asking "what would you do differently?" haha

@LUIGITORNADO Yikes. I really wasn't trying to bait you, I was legitimately curious what you would do differently and why you would do it that way.

@LUIGITORNADO What would you do if you were calling the shots for Nintendo in this case?

@DarkKirby Lmao they're the only ones, huh? No offense, but you need to get out more. Gain some experience, maybe read something other than this site for a change.

@ThanosReXXX No, I agree with all of that. I actually share a lot of your opinions on outlook and the way you view things. My "sanguine" comment was only meant to be directed at your expectations of fan reactions to something like a 2D Metroid game. I'm usually the type of person who likes to look on the bright side of things, but I've gradually come to expect the worst out of people when it comes to the way they handle anything Nintendo does and even a lot of what Nintendo doesn't do. I think Nintendo are held to a lot of unfair standards that no other developer is, and it all stems from the fact that they made so many great products early on, and now they're constantly living in the shadow of their own legacy.

@Bolt_Strike Sure they would. The series will go back to being the money-generating smash hit it used to be if Nintendo would just listen to the series' fans! Never mind the fact that "the fans" can't even come to a consensus of what they want out of the series, and that Metroid has never made much money for Nintendo. But no, you're right. Do what the fans want, whatever that actually means.

Oh, and that's all assuming that Nintendo isn't currently developing a Metroid game. Because that's what you're assuming, even though there's a good chance that they are.

@EXP And you gain what, exactly, by condescending to tell me this, or by posting any of the comments you do on this or any other site? Thanks for presuming to know what my mood is and telling me what to do though, random person on the internet.

@doomgc Literally my only point is that Federation Force is not out yet, so passing judgment on it in any way seems irrational and unfair to the people who made it. Would I rather have a new ACTUAL Metroid game? Obviously. But there's nothing wrong with creating a spinoff to an established series. It happens all the time, both inside and outside of Nintendo.

@Kirk Man I was wondering when ol' Kirk would show up in this comment section and do his thing. It took so long, I was honestly afraid that some terrible tragedy had befallen you.

@ThanosReXXX I would personally love a new side-scrolling Metroid, especially on the 3DS. But I know how consistent the internet is when it comes to the way it reacts to just about anything Nintendo announces, and my expectations are less sanguine than yours when it comes to this issue.

@gatorboi352 If the "leaks" are right and that's really what NX ends up being, then I think Nintendo's goal is just to make a good handheld. And if it ends up looking good enough to output on your television, then that's an obvious selling point. And as long as things like battery life and price point hit the right marks, and if Nintendo can be bothered to actually market the thing and put some real research into its branding, they should have a good device with a lot of sales potential.

And you're welcome for the redneck comments. I've got plenty more where those came from.

@KnightRider666 Nintendo are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they keep making 2D Metroid games, I guarantee you people will protest it because of its lack of originality, and because no matter how good any 2D Metroid game is, it can NEVER be considered as good as Super Metroid, because that would be blasphemy. And yet if they make a 3D Metroid, just as many people will say it's a rehash of Prime. I've just never seen such unrealistic levels of scrutiny and expectations for any other developer like those Nintendo has to deal with. It's honestly just absurd.

@Bolt_Strike No, Nintendo should be actively guarding their copyrights, since that's what literally every single entity in their right mind should be doing. Sanctioning fan projects is a cute idea, but it's also a really bad one for anyone who hopes to make money off of their work while simultaneously preventing thieves from making money off of their work.

@KnightRider666 OH! You should check out this one game called "Metroid Prime" and both of its direct sequels! They're like REALLY good. It seems crazy to me that you didn't know about those since you seem to really like Metroid games, lol!

@Webby-sama Yeah, poor Metroid, never getting any attention

/looks at the fact that Nintendo has made like a dozen Metroid games in spite of the fact that the entire series has sold less copies than your average Mario game basically just to please their fans, instantly changes mind...

@ThanosReXXX I definitely think he should use it as the foundation for something original. It would be significantly more rewarding for him in terms of the artistic payoff, and after all the exposure he's gotten, he pretty much has a built-in audience that would probably wait on baited breath to buy the game. After spending so much time on the thing, he might as well take the extra step to make it his own so he can actually be financially compensated for his work.

@ThanosReXXX Maybe Nintendo did fire a "warning shot" and this guy just didn't tell anyone. But even if they didn't, their entire history as a video game maker has served as one big "warning shot", because they have always been aggressive in defending their property. I honestly can't believe that the person making this project wasn't aware of that. Everything Nintendo does has set precedence for this move.