As we await the official Nintendo NX reveal, with reported sources and logic suggesting a September unveiling, more reports and snippets of potential information are to be expected. Another to pitch in is Digitimes, a publication that often pops up when there are rumours around manufacturing new hardware.
Digitimes is citing 'Taiwan-based supply chain makers' in claiming that following some trial production in Q3 this year (any time now up to the end of September) full manufacturing on the NX is due to commence in Q4 (October to December). That is certainly logical in light of Nintendo's repeated assertions that it's planning a global March release for the hardware, just before the end of its financial year at the end of that month.
In terms of a manufacturing breakdown it seems to draw on previous reports in terms of the companies involved.
Over 40% of initial production will be undertaken by Foxconn Electronics and the remaining by Japan-based Misumi Electronics and Hosiden, the sources said. Taiwan-based component makers will include chassis maker Foxconn Technology, NAND flash memory maker Macronix International, CMOS image sensor design house Pixart Imaging and power supply maker Delta Electronics, the sources indicated.
Digitimes also claims that "NX will use Nvidia's ARM-architecture Tegra X1", citing sources. This certainly backs up the original Eurogamer reports pointing to NVIDIA Tegra technology, though there's some educated speculation (from the likes of Digital Foundry) that the NX could utilise the upcoming Tegra X2 - especially in light of NVIDIA not announcing a Shield-type device to showcase the new chipset as yet.
In any case, the timeline for manufacturing does at least make sense. The NX is getting a little more real with each passing week, though we eagerly await Nintendo's official reveal.
With thanks to Benson for the heads up.
Using flash memory? Sounds like Nintendo. Finally something I can treat as likely true info.
I just want to see the damn thing.
They're leaving it really really late.
I don't believe it. The nx is not using the X1 chip. The nx using the powerVR series
@A01 steptember 16
Oooo boy, if it's the X1 lol...
Everyone's hoping for X2... which almost certainly means we'll get X1.
What's happening on Sepember 16?
@Don NX reveal
Hoping it will be the X2 chip but doesn't seem it will be.
Q4 as in financial year or calendar year? Don't really see why they need to start production this soon. It's coming in March, so I think that Q4 from the financial year makes more sense.
@Don tokyo game show to be more specific
I don't care about processing power one bit. Gaming isn't like it used to be unfortunately. All people care about is speed, power, and memory, when the point of a game is to play, connect, inspire, and basically everything Nintendo does that people hate on all the time.
Cool can't wait!
@PieNinja yep thats basically what's wrong this Gen. Don't get me wrong I love Power but Gameplay matters more than graphics. The best games this gen are not graphically good but the gameplay is amazing. Graphics looks good but game quality go down
I still hope that if it uses a Tegra chip, it uses the X2. We'll see what Nvidia has to say in their presentation now in August.
I was initially excited for the NX, but the more said about this system, the more I'm starting to worry Nintendo hasn't learned it's lesson from the Wii U. Hopefully when Nintendo finally shows it off, it can be something I can see myself buying.
Thought about sending in that story in the early hours of this morning but said no I wouldn't bother after what happened last time. Thanked Benson, of all people on this site, just to further add insult to injury. I've thoughts on that.
It's worth remembering that even if Nintendo go with the X1, it could be customised to bring it up to a sort of X1.5. I'd still prefer it to be X2 though.
A couple months ago, there's a news explaining NX delay was due to the implementation of VR. Considering that Nvidia's latest chips for the PC market are all about VR, it wouldn't be surprising that extra VR processing functions will be added to the NX chip as well. It will most likely be a customised X1 chip.
@therealgamer Oh yeah power can make a game even better. But people tend to look way, way, way, to much at hardware, and not game play. I always look at the games for a console, and not the console itself. But a clever "gimmick" can make the difference too. I hope when the NX is announced people focus on whatever new idea they've come up with, instead of immediately doing research on processing power.
@PieNinja ''Now you're playing with power!'' Remember that? Yeah, it was all about the best tech, it has always been that way. Don't pretend the 80s and the 90s are any different. Up until the GameCube, Ninty used to be (arguably) the best in the biz in terms of powerful hardware.
The thing is, people here pretend that you cannot have an up-to-date console (see: relatively powerful) and good games. They somehow think it has to be either of the two. Just because Nintendo has some beefier hardware, doesn't mean they can't make a good Zelda game or Mario game. If the hardware is easier to develop for, and more powerful, it means it can handle more games and support more games. That's in the end all that matter though, isn't it? More horsepower in your hardware means more details, or bigger environments, or more content; even smoother gameplay. So yeah, hardware matters because it allows for better gameplay.
@hYdeks I'm starting to feel the same way. The only way to sell this in large numbers would be to cram it down the world's throat through a lot of advertising. It's been proven that the loyal fan base of Nintendo just isn't enough to make a console successful. If they can get all the billions of people in the world excited over the NX Nintendo will be fine. If indeed this console is as underpowered as the T1 would make it they need the casual audience.
what happened to the funky sharp igzo displays? i know foxconn bought them but they're mentioned as chassis maker, not display provider above.
@Octane While that's true just look at all of the Wii U's amazing games. People never gave it a chance, and now there's tons of future classics like Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. 4, that tons of people are missing out on because of "lack of power". True it's easier to make games with a console with more power, but what Nintendo does is meets in the middle, and allows everyone to enjoy the games. A non-gaming family isn't going to buy a $400 console. So with Wii U, Nintendo tried to please families, and gamers. But in trying to please everyone, they unfortunately pleased no one.
This is the NX:
@PieNinja I guess that proves the point that families aren't really interested in dedicated gaming hardware anyway, you know when they have their smartphones and tablets. It worked with the Wii, because smartphones wheren't really a thing, but once they took off, the Wii started to collect dust. Software sales reflect that as well. Sure there's a handful of games that sold very very well, but your average Metroid or Zelda game didn't do any better on the Wii than they did on the N64 and GameCube.
Anyway, to get back to your point. I don't think people (gamers) skipped the Wii U because of the lack of power. They didn't buy the Wii U because it had a terrible launch in terms of software, and most games were late ports. Everyone was left with a sour taste in their mouth from the Wii. That didn't instill much confidence with the gaming community either. The Wii U had a different architecture and had less horsepower than the competition; therefore it never got the games in needed to appeal to the mass market anyway. I don't think it was the lack of power, but the consequences that followed did turn a lot of people away. When last gen consoles still got games like FIFA, the Wii U didn't get anything at all.
It's Ninty's fault really. Their relationships with third parties don't seem to be at the level of Sony's or Microsoft's. They want to do things on their own, but in the end, it doesn't work like that. Let's just say that the Wii U never really got a change to begin with. I think that's the reason why hardware is still very important.
@Octane the master system was more powerful than the nes and had a larger color palette. This was at the same time they used the playing with power campaign.
I hope it's Tegra 1 purely based on price.
If they come in with Tegra 2 and it's expensive, it will sink like lead in water.
Come in with an affordable price, have a good product, you will hit the deck running with a good chance of success.
@Octane While the launch was slow when it came to releases of games, later on when Nintendo started adding new games of their own, who would buy a Wii U just to get the exact same 3rd party games? Everyone. That proves my exact point that no one cares about actual games, and only power. Even later on when the Wii U was getting games like Splatoon people just kept complaining about lack of 3rd party games, because of lack of speed and power in the console.
@faint True, but the difference wasn't that much. NES had all the games too, thanks to Nintendo's shady practices, and I think that was the biggest reason why the NES was so succesful. It followed the success of several of their arcade classics, it was marketed well, and it had many exclusive games.
@Tops It's 1st September....
What would the cmos image sensor be for?
Please let it be X2-based!
Rumours and more Rumours... oh well, (prefer more news of Pokemon GO!)
Well, the good thing is that in few months Nintendo should shows ""REAL"" info about of NX and really all this madness for info "almost" "true" (well, NO), for exaggerated hype, for exaggerated perceptions and disappointments will end.
its X2 chip not X1 get you re facts straight
It would be awesome if they did utilise the Tegra X2 chip but it's Nintendo, so... Gameplay first. Graphic chips distant third😕
Wonder if nintendo will be cheaping us out again. Going with older technology will bring about critisizm. This could be nintendos last chance to stay in the console market
@gcunit lol. Can they run two x1 in SLI mode? 😉 Seriously though, the X1 will be two years old by the time the NX launches. It's a 20nm chip based on Maxwell architecture. I'd be about 99% sure the NX will have a 16nm, Pascal based Tegra SoC.. Nvidia is being very quiet about their upcoming Tegra chips and future Shield products. I think this is why. We know they're working on it though.
@JudgeMethos the new report that came out recently suggests nx would be using the nvidias top of the line X2 chip which would make nx even stronger then the current gen consoles
@Camilla Really?! That would be cool. Where is that report at?
@JudgeMethos wiiudaily they have the article
Maybe they'll release NX and NX+, with the prices being different, but the NX+ plays more games. It would be stupid for marketing but I mean it's Nintendo.
@whitemaskedhero the handheld is a hybrid controller while the main console it self plays physical games
@faint Flash is generally the only type of memory you're going to see in mobile devices such as phones and tablets. Also, solid-state drives use flash, including the NAND type mentioned in this article. It's not like this thing is going to be running off a usb junk drive or something.
@-DEMISE- hopefully nx has a bigger memory storage so we dont run out of space that quickly
I never denied that? I meant two systems using the different chips.
they could use the X2 to "revive" the system when the hype simmers down like the XB1S or new 3DS.
@Camilla Oh, I read that. That still didn't seem confirmed to me. More like strong assumptions. Nintendo sure hasn't confirmed it. Like I said, I'd LOVE that but when I read that article it seemed more like that's their best educated guess. Here's the last quote: "If true, this is definitely good news for Nintendo, as the NX would approach the power of the Xbox One (which we’ve reported in the past), while keeping its mobile shape. If it turns out to be a mobile / home console hybrid as rumored."
See... "If true".
@PieNinja Yeah. Splatoon > CoD, 3D World > Little Big Planet 3, etc etc
@MadAdam81 Splatoon > everything else ever.
@JudgeMethos im pretty sure nx will run tegra x2 would be a smart move for nintendo to go with that 2016 chip
@gatorboi352 If it's the X1... what? X1 is more than capable enough for a handheld console. I love how people like you seem to think Tegra X2 is somehow the only chance NX has at being a capable system just based on the ill-informed internet commentary you've encountered and are now parroting, when you clearly don't know much (or anything) about either chip.
@Camilla Yeah hopefully. I'm sure it'll come down to price point for Nintendo, but we'll see what happens.
@-DEMISE- I am aware of this hence why I called it believed material. The wiiu also uses solid state and Nintendo prefers to stick with what they are familiar with. It's also why I'm calling bs on any meaningful vr nx abilities hinted at in past rumor articles
@whitemaskedhero wasnt saying you were denying anything i was just stating that nx would not be just an handheld cause nintendo came out saying nx will still play physical games which would mean the handheld/controller hybrid would come with a home console as well
Tegra-X1 doesn't make sense as the final SoC for the NX, in my opinion. It uses a double set of 4-core CPUs (Cortex A-57 and Cortex A-53) that are largely redundant (A-53 being the low-power ones). I don't think Nintendo would like to ship a new console with a chip that comes with some useless stuff. And the new Denver architecture that the Tegra-X2 will reportedly use makes much more sense for a dedicated game machine like the NX.
I'm betting for the X2, or something in between. The Tegra-N1?
@-DEMISE hopefully not a $600 price tag that cause a huge uproar with ps3 launch that was just awful and the price im willing to pay for nx is around $350 to $400 but thats just me
@PieNinja have you played overwatch ? Lol
@Octane What? Not even close. That ad slogan had nothing to do with the actual capabilities of the systems it related to. It was just a good bit of marketing that had more to do with the creativity and design philosophy of the games than the specs of the systems they ran on.
NES was made with a weak chipset who's architecture was already like a decade old by the time that system released, and SNES was arguably weaker than Genesis. N64 was restricted by lack of RAM and the fact that it used outdated cartridge tech. GameCube was powerful enough, but Nintendo deliberately hobbled it by making it compatible with tiny proprietary discs to arbitrarily restrict game file size. And Nintendo's handhelds have never been powerful by any standard contemporary to the time they're released in.
@peeks I've heard of it. Mostly how it's taken away some of Sploon's fame. All I know is we need to start "overwatching" Splatoon again.
The X1 is a tried and tested chip and Nintendo likes to play it safe when it comes to hardware. It wouldn't be the end of the world if it was the X1 in my opinion, as it wouldn't be running Android, so I'm sure the Big N could actually squeeze more power out of it than the Shield does.
Has anyone mentioned that the X1 can output 4K too? Nintendo would likely make use of this, surely?
Give me a reveal or give me death!
@faint Ah. It seemed like you were saying the use of flash was a bad choice, so thanks for clarifying.
@Loui i would think the x1 would be used for the handheld type controller while the console it self uses the new top of the line x2 chip and that would be a smart way to go
@wiggleronacid i would guess the reveal would be around late september to around october time frame
@Camilla That would be nice, but I think that would drive up the price too much. The handheld would likely just connect to a dock that has a HDMI output.
@Camilla Right, which is why X1 is more likely for the system. Its age means it will be significantly cheaper for Nintendo.
@Loui i doubt nx is completely a handheld that would drive away 3rd party devs but like i said earlier its will come with a home console and still plays physical games which nintendo stated it would
@-DEMISE- the new president wants nx to succeed and he's dead serious about it so i doubt they ll go with x1 for the console that be stupid
Current age gamers seem to have it permanently engrained in their brains that a system must be as powerful as the most powerful console available in order to even be legitimate.
Times have changed. 7th gen changed everything. Once we hit PS3 level graphics, returns are increasingly marginal. Sure, games still can look better but, I've got PS4 games that could easily pass as PS3 games and visa versa. That was never the case in generations prior.
Everyone likes more power, but it's no longer the be all end all determinant in a platform. As of 7th gen games look good enough that you can still produce reasonably attractive games without pushing the latest console technology.
I'm all for seeing that X2 chip. I'd be delighted if that turns out to be the case. But if it doesn't, it's not the end of the world. Wii U level games still look fine, maybe not as good as they could be, sure, but still reasonably attractive enough, and if this system is going to provide that power on the go, well, that's plenty fine with me.
Basically would mean on-par Wii U visuals on the TV, but a serious upgrade to Wii U level visuals for handheld play.
I think the biggest benefit this would bring is console graphics on a handheld, cross-buy solved (even for hardware- buy one get both console and handheld), and more relaxed console-like gaming on the go via stand and detachable controllers.
Wake me up when September starts!
I am getting dizzy with all the rumours, "leaks" power talk, cartridges vs Blu ray talk, Nvidia vs AMD vs Intel, NOS vs Android based OS vs Linux OS, Pascal vs Maxwell.
@Tops i suggested nx reveal could be around late september or october time frame but who knows could be november or december time frame as well
The article from Wiiudaily is quoting another rumour from Twitter. Not 'facts', so I'd be careful telling others to get theres straight.
@electrolite77 i said it was a report didnt say it was fact right now but if its true that nx is running tegra x2 chip that be awesome reason why im crossing my fingers for it
I've been into gaming since 1989 and people have always been very interested in processing power. Whether it be number of sprites, number of colours, Mode 7, number of polygons, texturing capacity, amount of RAM, HD, 4K whatever. It's not the be-all and end-all but it always will be a factor. People like to feel like they're getting value for money and that they're at the cutting edge.
As for games like 'Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. 4, that tons of people are missing out on because of "lack of power"' I really don't think that's the reason. By the times any of them games came out the Wii U was 2 years old and the PS4 and XB1 had loads of games.
I agree but you did say "its X2 chip not X1 get you re facts straight".
I hope it's the X2 as well but I'm not sure it's that straightforward. I wouldn't be surprised to see a souped-up customised X1 and another processor in the base unit, rather than one off-the-shelf processor.
I would say a beefed up X1 or the X2 is likely for one of the NX systems.
@johnodaz x1 for the handheld and x2 for the main console it self
@electrolite77 Another reason is because of lack of 3rd party. Unfortunately most hardcore gamers can't appreciate a game unless it has blood and gore, or really anything inappropriate. 3rd party companies want fast processing, and with a lack of that on Wii U, developers were turned away. Because Nintendo tends to stick to more appropriate games, the only people who appreciate the Wii U are hardcore Nintendo gamers. Really, with almost all of PS games and Xbox games T - M, with content people from WWII would be ashamed of, you can't deny that gamers almost have to have violence. Their are Nintendo games with more mature content, but like %80 of popular PS and Xbox games are M, or very high T.
An x1 powered device on a handheld is solid but on a home console it's pretty much a step backwards from the Wii U. It's good for 720p but not so much 1080p. Doesn't surprise me Nintendo is gimping on the specs once again because we all know Nintendo never learns anymore but they'll realize once third parties leave after the initial honeymoon they'll learn. Hopefully
Nintendo produced the game of e3 2016 by a massive margin on underpowered spec hardwear!
They make the best games in the industry!
Mario 3 and zelda oot and countless outhers are better than anything else released today!
And they will continue on adding to their list of masterpieces!
We are all here because well live there attention to detail and outstanding games!
We will all buy an NX whatever!!!
@Camilla They've also said that they won't sell a system at a loss, which they'd be more likely to have to do if they went with a brand new chip like X2 vs an older one. But X1 is still a good chip. It is not bad for a handheld by any means. And besides, Nintendo would probably be getting some custom variation on whatever processors they end up using anyway, so even if it's based on X1 the specs could be different than the standard model X1.
@JpGamerGuy90 the NX is not a home console though. the NX is a handheld which will support TV out.
X1 chipset handheld is perfectly fine for me. machine is gonna be pushing out some decent power for a handheld.
zelda, dragon quest 11 on a handheld. I am excited! cant wait to see nintendo reveal it.
@Andrzej777 its a handheld so why all this doom about last chance in the console market.
nintendo have already decided themselves that they are staying away from the home console market for the near future.
People should stop hoping that Nintendo will tell us which chip NX uses during the reveal. Because it won't. They will not say a single word about tech specs (other than UI aspects).
This sounds more and more like the evolution of the handheld console and not the home console.
I would bet the NX is a two pronged strategy, the early 2017 NX is the evolution of the 3DS, a system that fully integrated with home gaming.
The base unit that links between a handheld and you tv, an earlier patent in the NX development life cycles would suggest the second phase of the NX plan for home use on the main to.
Similar to the Alienware laptop and boost unit when hooking upto a tv
Very disapointed if Nintendo uses a several-year old chip. 😭😭😭
@Sakura yes. But it will still be woefully underpowered for processing and GPU. Makes me sad.
If it's the now somewhat aged X1 or something custom based on the now aged X1, it'll be another example of Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot like they have many times before..
@Octane spot on.. at launch I saw games like Batman Armoured Edition retailing for full price when the game on other platforms were in the bargain bin lol.. Mass Effect 3 pissed me off too.. they should've at least given us the Trilogy that they released on other consoles.. oh frame rate sucked too..
With Tegra X1 it's already dead, and this is very sad...I really hope that utilize X2.
It just better be able to emulate that sodding FX chip. You know, the one that appeared in cartridges about 20 years ago
@kobashi100 @JpGamerGuy90 no dude nintendo wouldnt make nx a full blown handheld that be stupid so im thinking the handheld is the hybrid controller which comes with a home console
Just these rumours, true or not, put me on the hype train. I can't freakin wait!!!! o_O
I'm still under the belief that the NX isn't going to use a Tegra chip, due to no reflection from Nvidia over something potentially large, as they are a publicly traded company and need to tell investors what's going on. From what I understand, there nothing reported to them regarding embedded systems, since that is where consoles/handhelds would be filed under.
@-DEMISE- that's funny, last i hear the NX was a hybrid.
As a portable this thing is DOA anyways.
@PieNinja I have a feeling that once the NX is released, Nintendo will drop the price of the Wii U and give a lot of its games select pricing. Then people who passed it by will get it and realize what a great library of games they missed. If the NX has the same quality of library its early days then those people will give the NX a try too. It would be a great strategy to give the NX an early boost. A low price point for the NX will also get it out to more casuals and family gamers.
@ChuckYeah cant wait to see wat type of games get announced for nx wen its reveal
@ChuckYeah Yeah it'd be like someone "seeing what all the fuss is about" and watching Star Wars for the first time. And I'm expecting it to be bellow $400, but over all it'd depend on what it is. Handheld/Home Console could be $400. Hologram could be $10000000. Really it could be anything.
@Danrenfroe2016 There's always a possiblity that the base/dock/home console element could increase processing power, with the handheld component using custom X1. That would make it a powerful handheld that can be powered-up at home.
It's still all speculation at this stage, but the idea that it is totally different to everything else seems to be crystalising with every rumour. Nintendo may be shifting out of the console races entirely, creating a more serious casual market niche (oxymoron there) for itself. I have to admit I'd still be somewhat disappointed (even though I'd love a powerful handheld), but I can't say that's not the way to go business-wise; trying to compete toe-to-toe didn't work this generation. Bring on the reveal!
@Sakura i dont think they would get out of the console business that would be stupid to do so and i agree we should wait till its reveal to get more information on it and see wat it does
@PieNinja People want the X2 not because it's more powerful, but because it will help ensure that the NX has a longer life span.
Likely attracting more 3rd parties/ports doesn't hurt either.
@getyourak i agree on wat you said 100% but they better not give us [email protected]$$ed ports
@Sakura I agree with what you say. To me, if this Tegra rumours are true at all, then the hybrid will have a Soc (system on a chip) on the handheld that works stand-alone OR in conjunction with the docking station, which could very well feature a dedicated Nvidia GPU and even extra RAM to boost the overall performance at home, connected to the TV.
If the processing is done only on the handheld SoC, I wouldn't call it an hybrid console, just an handheld that can be connected to a TV (PS Vita can already do this, I believe?). So a true hybrid system would connect at home for improved perfomance, let's just imagine a highly-customised Tegra X1 (I don't think X2 is in Nintendo's price range, unless Nvidia is really keen to ship it to the wild on the console arena and does a generous discount), i.e., a Tegra "X1.5" that can deliver Wii U level of performance on the go, and connected to a dock with a dedicated video card that would push to parity with Xbox One.
Put that in a box priced around € 299 and I'll be genuinely excited.
@samuelvictor I absolutely agree. Anyone who has played double dragon on the nes and master system knows this.
@Camilla Sorry, I ought to have clarified more. What I mean is that Nintendo might be placing themselves outside of the traditional console market. There'll still be a console, but it won't be comparable to PS4/Xbone, it will be an entirely new concept - the hybrid. That saves them competing directly with Sony and Microsoft, instead creating their own niche with a totally Nintendo feel.
The more I think about it, the more comfortable I feel about it. However, it has required a shift in my thinking to accept that there could be a new reality that not everyone will be pleased about at first. Either way, I'm waiting for solid details before getting either too upset or too excited.
@Sakura i dont think its just going to be an handheld cause nintendo did confirm nx will still play physical games which would mean nx will have a console to go with the handheld but we have to wait and see till its reveal to find out more about it
X1 instead of Parker? Oh boy...
Except they won't truly be in their own little niche. Now they'll be in direct competition with Android and iOS devices, probably more so than before.
@Samurai_Goroh I'm hoping that if the X1 rumour is correct, your description is what it turns out to be - powerful handheld with dock that upgrades processing power for home. Whether that's what is though...I think those in the know must be laughing at us all flailing around in the dark.
@PieNinja I am expecting under $300 for a mobile home console. I think it's in Nintendo's best interest to make NX very affordable to reach a much larger install base. If the rumors of it being a handheld device that has capabilities in between Wii U and Xbox 1a lower price point is the right way to go and should not be hard to do.
Of course, all the rumors could be completely wrong and NX could be something that hasn't even be thought of by the rumor mill. Ha-ha
@AVahne I wondered at that too. I think Nintendo will have some advantages though. There are problems with Android/iOS devices. Specs are an issue, moreso for Android. Battery life is poor. Components heat up. Form factor isn't great. No physical buttons. Price is high for the best devices (£600 for a phone, you've got to be kidding). Most importantly, the quality of the majority of mobile games is far lower than that of Nintendo games. Nintendo could be aiming to merge the mobile game market with the portable market that they already have with the 3DS. That would be their market niche and it would be much larger than the Wii U market niche they carved out. We'll have to wait and see, but Nintendo can't fail to raise the bar on mobile/portable gaming and it has been said that it is the mobile/casual that they are targeting.
If there is also a home processing unit, well that opens up more opportunities. I can't quite believe that it will compete directly with the competition in that respect, but if they could get close enough by at least having ports of the best of other console games, then I don't know that the exact specs will matter. At least, not for that more casual market.
Please be X2. Don't use X1 when X2 is already if not almost available to use. Nintendo would be shooting themselves in the foot.
@gatorboi352 Hybrid doesn't equate to home-console first, which is how you're treating it. You need to get that idea out of your head. It's not a traditional home console. It's a portable that outputs to your tv, which is totally fine if it has Tegra soc, even if it's X1.
And it's honestly baffling that you think a Nintendo handheld is "doa" because that assessment flies in the face of what virtually everyone inside the industry and any gamers who know Nintendo's history have been saying for years, which is that Nintendo should focus on the handheld market first and foremost. Because as everyone knows, their handhelds ALWAYS perform better on the market than their home consoles. Your judgment of the situation is such an outlier to the consensus that I don't think you'll find anyone who takes you seriously, except for maybe a few trolls and people who just generally don't know what they're talking about.
@ChuckYeah Last few major releases start too high then go down. It happens so often it almost looks like a strategic marketing strategy. xD
@PieNinja Agreed. That's why I won't get an NX on day one. Unless the price is really great off the bat.
@ChuckYeah I'm actually already saving up mah $$$ for a day one, if not midnight, purchase. xD
Please, please, please Nintendo don't release your new flagship system with a 2 year old chipset. Unless you want to get second rate ports of PS4 and Xbone games. I'm starting to sense the Wii all over again. My NX will sit and collect dust until the next big first party game comes out, because I any big AAA games I can get for PS4 and they won't have features or DLC missing.
Let's remember that X1 is somewhere between PS3 and PS4 in terms of graphical fidelity. And if the NX is Nintendo's next gen handheld (with home console features) then I'd say that is one powerful system (for handhelds.) Also, I'm sure Nintendo would be able to get every bit of power out of that chip to make the games look even better. For me, it comes down to price, and if Nintendo can make great experiences with the cheaper X1 chip, then that'll be AWSOME.
Another things that Nintendo should care too :
1. Youtube or Internet Browser. Make it as powerful as Ipad. Wii U version are quite strong enough while 3DS version are really awful.
2. Photo Capture and Video Record. 3DS version still awful compared with Ipod or Smartphone. Make it better, so we can take a photo with crisp image, recording the video regardless the lighing condition and easy configuration for both uploading or copying into SD card.
3. If NX has something like Gamepad, make it as good as Ipad with well balanced color saturation.
4. Sturdy buttons. 3DS has very poor quality of analog button.
5. Easy set up when first time been playing. Wii U kinda complicated to start.
6. Color variation. Duh.... Why we got only Black Wii U from now ? Where is the other color ? Make it at least 5 different Basic color. White, Black, Silver, Red and Blue.
@DoctorOverbuild No really, that is if the NX is a handheld, then the X1 is the perfect chip for the job. It also has a lot to do with price, like when the 3DS lunched at 249.99 (USD) and it bombed. They need to keep the average consumer in mind when it comes to pricing, and those who don't know the difference between an X1 and X2 chipset.
I feel like the X2 is the only way Nintendo will get any decent 3rd party support. So they probably won't use it.
Imagine how silly manufacturers are gonna feel when they've made all these Tegra X1 chips and it turns out it was just a rumour 😄
@whanvee agreed, the one big problem Nintendo made with the Wii U was getting the message across it was a new system, and they didn't advertise the system well at all. Another huge problem is Nintendo made a name for themselves as a casual gamers console, and most third party companies would rather make huge blockbuster games that sell, or make casual games for free available to ppl on mobile.
Either way, I am interested in the Nx and will probably buy it as I am a huge Nintendo fan, but how will Nintendo bring in people that that aren't just big Nintendo fan, that's the huge challenge they seem to face.
I seem to recall either the DS or more likely 3DS early kit being nvidia/tegra based, then Nintendo went custom in the last cycle, so that would point to the same scenario on the NX. Nintendo do afterall know silicon. I've not seen this mentioned anywhere, so probably a figment of my imagination.
I hardly know anything about the NVIDIA chips but I hope they get ahead while they can by using the X2 instead of the older X1.
@hYdeks Nintendo has the resources and products to attract many people. The questions will be will they market it to everyone on everything?
One of my major problems with Nintendo this gen is how they let a lot of great games just go under the shadow. Xenoblade X,Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame, Wonderful 101, Pokken Fighters,DK TF, Tokyo Mirage Session, you get get my point.
Splatoon was a huge success. Why? Because Nintendo made sure it would succeed with commercials and marketing. Just like MK8 with the promotion deal the first 3 months and Smashes nice campaign of "Settle it in Smash" they were huge draw ins.
If Nintendo would marketed the WiiU and those above games with half the effort they did with those 3 games it could have been a different story.
Hopefully Nintendo learned their lesson with the WiiU marketing
I remember when Digitimes claimed that NX hardware production would begin production in July 2016. A while later, they claimed NX hardware production would begin in Q1 2017, literally a month or two, if not a few weeks, before the NX scheduled launch date of March 2017. Now they are claiming the NX hardware production will begin in Q4 2016, which is a time frame actually makes sense.
In other words, anything that Digitimes says is unfounded and should be taken with a massive truckload of NaCl.
I'm pretty surprised to see how many people believe this product will be priced at a similar price range with the Xbox One/PS4.
Assuming the Eurogamer and MCV NX rumors are somewhat true, the NX should be ~$200 at launch. Maaaaaybe $250, but we all saw how well the 3DS sold at that price...This device will be a handheld with console/TV-out capabilities, not a console with handheld/portability capabilities.
I agree... Couldn't have said it any better myself.
@westman98 i do think nx the console it self will run on tegra x2 chip and the handheld is basically a hybrid controller and nintendo is not that stupid to just replace the wii u with a handheld it will drive away more of the base so having a home console with the handheld on the side makes more sense
Well, I did what I try not to. I read the comment section. Many well gathered opinions and hopes, but also a good bit of the Nintendo detractors that are always shooting from the hip. The NX hasn't even been revealed. Bite your tongue.
Under that strategy, Nintendo would risk driving away their handheld audience, which is far larger and far more profitable than their console audience.
Perhaps Nintendo will release another piece of hardware in the future than will feature even better hardware and will be a more suitable successor to the Wii U, but as of right now, the NX device described in the Eurogamer rumors appear to be handheld first, console/TV-out second.
Eh, I'm just glad to be getting apparent confirmation of the rumors. I don't really care about the "power," except insofar as it affects cost. Looking forward to Nintendo's reveal.
@Sakura yes. This speculation is driving me crazy
Why everybody is so scared about a two year old chip? If you own a PS4 or Xbox One you’re using 6 year old technology... maybe 8 year old
Tegra X1 is nearly as capable as an Xbox One, AND Nintendo has always used custom chips for their consoles, this will make it nearly as powerful as a PS4. It also makes sense if they’re truly trying to aim for the casual market, pricing is important.
What I hope they do:
Announce NX as a portable powerful machine that will run Breath of the Wild even better than Wii U for a 250$ price.
They’ll show come crazy trailers with people playing in a café or restaurant, two guys with one console, "Who pays the bill?" Let’s decide it in a Smash game! (If the 2 controllers thing is true, is the selling gimmick, imagine people playing FIFA or things like that in an office or whatever, it will also make people’s heads turn for sure, remember Nintendo really likes the mouth to mouth publicity).
They’ll show how you can play Pokémon Go and Miitomo, also Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem (the mobile games coming out this year), with more social aspects than never, street pass and whatever other crazy stuff they come up with.
Many people, specially all those salty “hardcore” gamers, will be unhappy with this, so they’ll announce a special dock that will make the console as powerful as a PS4 neo, you can buy separately for 150$, it’ll come with a pro controller.
But come on Nintendo, we want those things together, we want a full console, worry not, there will be a full package that includes the portable machine, the dock, a game and a pro controller for 350$, so everybody will end up buying the full thing, Third Parties won’t have to worry about people not having the dock, so they can make games for it.
This makes a lot of sense coming from a Nintendo that has been monitoring the mobile market, add ons and upgrades are not rare this days, BUT the only thing that does not makes sense is, if you put your console on a Dock, with what exactly you’ll be playing with? I bet that those detachable controllers are the answer, but... how? If they merge and become a pro controller I’ll be speechless.
@westman98 thats bs rather have a console to play games on it but wouldnt mind having a handheld as a hybrid controller
HAPPY 30TH BIRTHDAY Metroid!
Someone had to say it.
@King_Johobo lets hope we get a new metroid game announced for nx during its reveal that be awesome
In one sense, power isn't required to make a good game. There are many creative and well made NES games I'd rather play instead of a poorly made, by the numbers shooter on PS or Xbox. Nor does power equal pleasant graphics. Super Mario World, for example, is more aesthetically pleasing than Mario 64, and Mario Galaxy is much better looking than a lot of CoD games.
In another sense, power is important, because a good developer or artist can do more with a more powerful tool. A carpenter can make a better table with power tools than with a pocketknife and a piece of sandpaper. Mario Galaxy is more aesthetically pleasing than Mario 64. Minecraft or Breath of the Wild or No Man's Sky simply couldn't be done on an N64. In other words, a good artist with a pencil and a piece of notebook paper is likely to create something better than somebody who has never drawn and who doesn't care about the quality of their product with every color of paint available at the art store and hundreds of tools and brushes at their disposal. But I still would like to see what the good artist can do with the more powerful toolset.
But here's where power actually matters. You want to convince the customer to buy your system and not the competitor's. People usually make this decision based on what games can be played. The One and PS4 are close enough in specs that a game can easily be developed for both, increasing the potential customer base. Porting to a less powerful system takes valuable resources (HD development isn't easy) and lowers the quality of the product. If a blockbuster game is coming out on the NX's competition, but not on the NX, it will sway buyers toward the competition. A system close in power to current gen consoles isn't too hard to port to and will see a larger library. A system close in power to the PS3 and 360 is hard to port to and will miss out on games that the other two will get. I can hear you saying, "But Dodger, everybody knows that games that aren't on Nintendo systems are universally and objectively terrible, so why would anybody care? Who needs more than Nintendo games?" Well, many, including myself, think that there are some decent games made by other developers. Nintendo games are great, but a lot of people would rather have Elder Scrolls than Zelda, if they have to choose. Wouldn't it be great to not have to choose? I bet a lot of people would pick Nintendo if they could play good versions of 3rd party games and Mario on the same system. That's why some want Nintendo to release a system which competes with Sony and Microsoft in the power department.
NVIDIA uses the "tick tock" strategy when designing their chips, so the version of the X1 chip we've seen already may not be the same one that will make it into the NX.
This explains the process:
If we get the version of the X1 chip that uses a dual core Denver CPU instead of the Maxwell CPU found in the NVIDIA Shield, the NX will be a BEAST:
The timing and delays point to NX using X2 which is more power efficient than X1 and will be cheaper to produce.An underclocked X2 wouldn't need a fan to cool it making it ideal for a portable.However it could be a reiteration 'dirt cheap' production of an X1 giving ample 'grunt' at a lower price.It the console is in the £200 range and uses X1, to be fair that would be a kick ass portable with solid HDTV capability (nearly xboxone levels depending on memory etc). If it uses X2 i wouldn't actually expect the price to be much higher as thats the point of the X2, it comes at a time when PC gpu architecture all have a new gen.perfect to be honest.
@Camilla Sounds good too me.
Well it makes sense they start building it around that time.
What I really dont get is why people is worried about the X1 chips.
When the NX was announced back in 2014, a rumour said it would "use industry leading chips" or powerful ones, that was in 2014...guess what? The X1 was indeed at the time a leading chip.
Anyways, does anyone knows when Nintendo plans to reveal or talk more about the mobile games? Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem.
I don't think that the NX is going to use Tegra chips at all.. You guys remember that rumour a while back that said Nintendo were also producing a portable console codenamed "MH"? What if that portable is what's going to use the Tegra Chips? If that rumour is true (let's just assume that ALL rumours a true 'cus that's what everyone's doing anyways...) then they couldn't be making 2 portable consoles could they?.. I think that maybe they're going to release the NX first, and let's say i'll be a home console more powerful than the current gen consoles (one can dream..), and later they'll release this MH handheld WITH the Tegra chips
Like i said it's all speculation but i have the feeling that we're going to have a big surprise when Nintendo unveils the NX, for the better or worse...
@bubby444 Nintendo should not use outdated hardware. X2 could be amazing. Plus it'd be more likely to support third party games.
this idea that having an x2 chip would mean 3rd parties will be more likely to port games to the NX is pretty laughable if you ask me.
third publishers will support the NX if it sells. if it has x1 or x2 it wont matter as numbers of units sold will be the main concern for third parties.
then there is the fact the the NX is a handheld. western publishers pretty much gave up on handheld gaming years ago. the only thing bringing them back is seeing the NX push some serious units.
@YeshaYahu5417 So debate camp did help? Heh, whenever I comment on here I have to make sure my schedule's clear because being an all Nintendo gamer not many people tend to agree with you. Thankfully this time there was no heated arguments, unlike other times. I just wish we could agree to disagree. Gaming's only a matter of opinion. You can like Xbox without complaining about Nintendo.
@mechamen8 the MH wasn't a rumored handheld. It was just a hypothetical posed by an industry rep and taken as fact for some odd reason
Yeah tell me about it.. All of those heated debate sessions and slanderous responses are only in online forums such as these, at least from what I experience. Because when go to game stores we always talk about games peacefully and never had any kind of battle in person about it. But online, I have no idea why some people possess the attitude of being a grammar police, history link police, etcetera. They take stuff personal in these gaming sites.
Good point @PieNinja
@YeshaYahu5417 FINALLY someone who understands! I'm grounded from 3DS and Wii U, so also from miiverse. I love to talk, especially about topics I like, so this is one of the only places I can. On miiverse I have tons of friends, whereas on here if I comment I gotta make sure I can think of a comeback if someone starts an argument. >.<
Lol I hear you. I don't even try to come back in an argument, I don't stir up strife. People are going to say whatever they want to say regardless..
Maybe when this NX is out we can play something online.
@YeshaYahu5417 That'd be awesome! Smash 5? Spla2n?
@Camilla here here! I'd buy it at launch if that were the case
I'm just going to collect all my thoughts and info on the topic right here, so for those of you that like an extensive read, strap in and come along...
What bothers me personally about the whole thing is that there are no official reports or statements from Nvidia themselves on any semi-custom design wins, which would mean a chipset for a console or other specific device, and they are VERY close to doing their own financial report and shareholder meeting, which will happen later this month.
If by then they haven't divulged any plans towards this, then the EuroGamer rumor is 100% false, because at their shareholder meeting, they will HAVE to release such info, because the shareholders will need certain information to be able to act upon it.
And on a side note: contrary to Nvidia, AMD still has three confirmed semi-custom design wins that will also be revealed shortly, one of which could be for the Xbox One S, but the other ones are still open for debate...
And interesting to take into account is also that there actually is no specific need for the handheld to be Nvidia, since AMD also offers tech to incorporate into mobile/handheld devices:
So that could also be an option and could be part of the remaining semi-custom design wins.
But besides all that, there's just WAY too many holes in the "Tegra-only" concept, so even if it is true, it may very well be only for the handheld part.
Having said that, looking at all the older official info and statements from Nintendo, it just doesn't add up at all, unless they were lying about absolutely everything.
Player Essence made an interesting video about that:
Here's the source material he used, with all of Nintendo's official statements and quotes from financial meetings.
And here is the latest official report, from which some of the statements quoted in the NeoGAF thread originate:
Normally, lying to your shareholders wouldn't really be considered a good thing, so if we can assume that the official statements are true, then all of the info in there does not amount to a single, hybrid device.
And more and more inquisitive researchers/Nintendo enthusiasts are digging up info that seem to completely debunk the EuroGamer rumor:
And if early reports are true, it won't be under-powered either. Who doesn't remember the reports of the developers that had supposedly seen a demo that couldn't be run on current hardware because it would need some serious hardware:
Video on the same topic, for those of you that don't like to read all that:
And for those of you with a little more time on their hands, here's an interesting podcast from Nintendo World Report in which they also (among other things) discuss the veracity of the EuroGamer rumor: (and they too are not totally in agreement with it)
@rjejr Here's the latest batch of rumors to start off your day:
(all videos are short ones, in case you're wondering)
(ignore the weird/creepy voice on this one: it's a text-to-speech program, just take note of the facts)
@CosmoXY @SaKo What does the last line in the story say?
"But how does he deserve any credit? Did he write the original piece, interview anyone, do any actual reporting? Or just forward a link along? If it's the latter, he did nothing and deserves no credit whatsoever."
Power might not mean so much on paper but if third party ports on NX look noticeably weaker we'll have a steady drumbeat of articles by the likes of Digital Foundry pointing out how it's the weakest of the bunch. Hardcore gamers who read that stuff love hating on Xbox whenever it's a few pixels less even if they can't tell the difference or will never see them side by side. It's stupid, yes, but perception seems to matter. Not that Nintendo chase the hardcore necessarily. I dunno, guess we'll find out soon enough whatever happens.
@Camilla What you would rather want and what the mass market would rather want seem to differ quite a bit.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I don't care
@Mario_Fart considering the NX is a handheld I would expect ports to look weaker. More shocked that people expect Nintendo to release a handheld on the same level as PS4.
@-DEMISE- yes. The NX, as a portable, will do well simply because in the past, Nintendo's portables have done well. Brilliant stuff.
Hey, kinda like how Nintendo thought Wii U would do well simply because the Wii did!
If this thing ships with the X1 that means no 3rd party support which means get ready for another typical Nintendo console generation.
Nintendo is gonna bring back the Power Glove! Mark my words!
@gatorboi352 reason why i dont believe nx is completely a handheld it might come with a console along side it which nintendo stated nx still plays physical games
@Sindark Nvidia have been saying their new X2 Chip will use the same architecture as their new GTX 1080, 70 and 60 PC Graphic cards.
According to them X2 will be around the same as a 960-980 in terms of raw power.
@westman98 because majority of gamers like playing their games on a home console especially the big games but replacing the wii u with handheld system would just alienate the console gamers and 3rd party devs as well so i doubt nintendo will go that route completely but like i said from yesterday i think the handheld is a hybrid controller and comes with a home console that plays physical games like discs again
@gatorboi352 Go ahead and explain to me how Nintendo's history of nothing but success in the handheld segment, which goes back like thirty years, supports your claim that their next handheld will be "dead on arrival", yet refutes my claim that a Nintendo handheld has "a better chance for success on the market" at this point than a home console would. I'd honestly love to know how you came to that ingenious conclusion, which no one else has ever come to.
Oh, and also explain how Tegra X1 will mean "no 3rd party support." Because you come off less as someone who knows a lot about this sort of thing, and more as a semi-literate shake-n-bake-addicted redneck from Tallahassee, but feel free to change my mind.
@crazyj2312 Oh ok then.. but i'd still make more sense than the last rumours...
What are the differences between the X1 and X2?
@Blastcorp64 X2 is a brand new top of the line 2016 chip while X1 is a 1 or 2 years old i check google but if your referring about the power between those 2 then the X2 blows away the x1 out of the ballpark
@ThanosReXXX Just to emphasise this point, because it's been bugging me since Eurogamer released their article:
'What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform.'
The problem with the Eurogamer article is that it basically says the NX is only 1 device which, as we know from reports last year, isn't true.
@the-madprofessor someone gets it cause theres no way nintendo would do away with the home console that would be stupid and shoot themselves in the foot reason why i think the handheld is the hybrid controller while the main console plays physical games
Please be Tegra X2. Nintendi needs all the processing clout it can afford.
@Camilla couldn't find anything on the X2, but looking at the X1 videos of it playing PS3 games make me want to believe NX is replacing the 3DS. But, with nintendo's unified approach this maybe a way of wiping the slate clean and starting with a whole new approach of having one system for everything, meaning portable and home console. Sure, graphics will be on par with the wiiu, but nintendo's philosophy have drastically changed and this maybe the approach for the future for nintendo. One day we'll probably look back and see the wiiu as a crude experiment for what was to come.
@Blastcorp64 x2 is a brand new chip which nintendo wants for nx
@Camilla newer would always be better, right? Except for cost, but after checking on launch prices for the shield set top box (with X1) at $199 (probably when the X1 was new) It seems pretty reasonable to just go with latest and greatest and still have an affordable system. And, it seems Nintendo will cut cost by having low on board memory assuming everyone has SD cards to spare
@Blastcorp64 if nintendo has learned anything that they cannot afford another underpowered system so going with the x2 will be a game changer and think of many games looking amazing by using the x2 chip that be awesome but we wont know till nx reveal sometime this fall
Dont think Nx is a handheld. They always said home console. They already have begin mobile games market so why do a handheld? People just think handheld because they havent mention next 3ds but with mobile games they make more money. So say again i think NX is home console.
@MrHaggi no people say handheld because thats what the sources from nintendo are saying.
you just sound bitter because you dont want it to be a handheld. since eurogamer reveal there has not been one source that has said it isnt true.
its a handheld dude. accept it and move on
I personally think the real reason why the NX was delayed to March 2017, was because of the Tegra X2. Production most likely got delayed.
Price shouldn't be an issue, as NVidia would be incredibly happy to power Nintendo's next console!
You can't get better marketing for your nextgen chip than that!
So I'm pretty sure they gave Nintendo an incredible deal on the chip to outbid the competition.
But we will know soon enough.
@kobashi100 Yes im a bitter 40yr that doesnt play videogames so much anymore. And i hope its not a handheld because serious..a handheld with tv out?. if thats their big secret then its lame and no game company like sony or microsoft is willing to copy that because they know its mobile market today that took over.
@Camilla idk, the more I think about it, the more I think Nintendo, based on what they've been saying trying to capture the mainstream casual crowd, will go with the cheaper chip, but still very capable in terms of providing graphics on par or slightly better than the wiiu (X1 chip) aaaaand priced at $129-$149. That is like impulse buy territory. It could be very appealing to consumers who don't usually buy nintendo but are intrigued by the new Zelda: BOTW. I actually see a lot of potential in this.
@kobashi100 dude enough theres no confirmation from nintendo that nx is just an handheld stop believing in sources that are not true
@the-madprofessor And that is exactly what I'm getting at, albeit with "a few" more words... I just wanted to collect every statement and rumor so far that filled up any holes in the EuroGamer report, and there is indeed some stuff missing in their story.
Funny thing is also that the sites and "reputable" journalists all say they have reliable sources, but never divulge them to prove or corroborate what they are claiming, something that really annoys me, especially considering the fact that the often ridiculed YouTube investigators actually do have accessible sources.
All it takes is to send them an email and they will give you that proof in most cases. I know I've done so, if only to check how much salt I needed to bring to the conversation and so far, the three channels that I now frequent, have checked out more than adequately.
And if it is going to be an Nvidia chipset for the handheld, then it will certainly not be a bog standard X1, or an X2. The first one is too weak and old, and the second one isn't fit to be in a handheld because it would need to be seriously underclocked to prevent it from overheating which would of course cause cooling problems, but underclocking it would also seriously hamper any benefits that the X2 has over its predecessor, so that is simply not an option.
Luckily, there's only a few weeks left before we get the official word from Nintendo themselves, or maybe we can get some evidence before that time from Nvidia's or AMD's financial reports, which will also be somewhere around this time.
And the Hot Chips conference is on the 20th of August, and from that we will find out more about the actual power and capabilities of the Tegra X2 chip.
i have my nx already
@Camilla It isn't confirmed that Nintendo "wants" the X2 for the NX, it is only a rumor that has no basis in fact. It would be the smart thing to do IF they are indeed going with the Tegra chipset, but that remains to be seen.
@Blastcorp64 If you're interested to find out more about the X2, then look out for the Hot Chips conference on the 20th of August. Nvidia will showcase it there. Here are some links to that and also a link to a pdf with some handy info on the tech and capabilities of all Tegras up til now, and also a forecast on X2 usage:
I have to say that if the NX is using the X1 then this may be the first Nintendo that I don't buy. If it is going to be that underpowered I won't even bother until it becomes dirt cheap. I am hoping these rumors are only rumors and the actual system is much more capable .
@-DEMISE- I +1 you for taking a solid dig at Tallahassee. Gator Nation thanks you.
But yeah, I'll just go ahead and bookmark this article and comment section, revisit it about a year from now and see how things are looking. That's if all these rumors end up being true, mind you.
@IPrino Did you even know what a Tegra X1 was before the NX eurogamer "leak"? And do you even know the difference between it and X2 now that you've heard of it?
@gatorboi352 That's not really an answer or an explanation, but okay. I sincerely hope you do just that.
@MrHaggi A "hybrid" system is what people have been asking for since Wii U came out, and it's what a lot of gaming sites, including this one, have been speculatively referring to in their stories for about that long. And that's because it's a phenomenally good idea for Nintendo to make a machine that can play console-quality games, but be fully portable, which was everyone's pipe dream with the Wii U gamepad.
X1 with an extra GPU and a TB of RAM. Done.
The vast majority of people playing on a Nintendo device are playing on a handheld.
@westman98 people like to ignore that fact dude. Handhelds are where Nintendo strength is but people are making out that not releasing the NX as a home console is gonna end Nintendo.
Honestly you couldn't make this up. Nintendo releasing the NX as a handheld is the right thing to do in 2017.
@ThanosReXXX I can understand them not divulging their sources - for both job security (for the source) and to avoid being blacklisted - but at least some physical evidence of what the source has said would be nice.
The thing is, given what Iwata has said in the past, it looks a lot more likely that the NX is two separate devices using the same operating system and scaling down games to fit those devices - similar to what the PS4 Neo and Project Scorpio are doing.
@the-madprofessor Exactly. And especially them repeatedly citing Apple and also Android as examples to follow because of them sharing a platform across multiple form factors really does seem to hint at NX also being a platform/ecosystem much like these two examples, so it strongly hints at it being an interchangeable architecture and OS that can be used on several devices, much like iOS or Android devices also offer.
That of course does not exclude the option that come March, some type of handheld device will be released first, but I'm fully expecting there to also be a console. And besides all that, I'm expecting Nintendo to continue the NX line of devices for future generations to come, also much like Android and iOS.
@-DEMISE- "And that's because it's a phenomenally good idea for Nintendo to make a machine that can play console-quality games, but be fully portable, which was everyone's pipe dream with the Wii U gamepad."
Yeah but, that was also like 4 years ago. Hey who knows though, maybe Nintendo is onto something here. I mean, "console quality gaming on the go" certainly did wonders for Sony!
@-DEMISE- You're really doing a lot of NDF damage control in these threads, that's for sure. Do you even know why Nintendo's previous handhelds were so phenomenally successful? Because they did quite the opposite of offer "console like gaming on the go" types of experiences. Look at the DS' success against the PSP, or the 3DS' success against the Vita.
Going the route of the PS4-Vita concept (again, if rumors are true) will be a true 180 turn for what Nintendo used to do in it's only successful avenue of their business. There is NO guarantee here with these rumored approaches the NX will be taking.
Just because you want a console like experience on the go, doesn't mean 10s of millions of others do, or will buy into it.
The market has gone two ways the last 4-5 years: core "all power all day" home console experiences with the latest and greatest tech on display.... and smartphone/tablet quick pick up and play experiences. These two wildly different experience types have existed in perfect harmony and both succeed massively in today's age.
There is no in between market there, that these rumors for NX are attempting to own. I don't care if it were Nintendo doing it or any other company.
@gatorboi352 using Sony and Vita as an example of console gaming on the go not being successful is weak.
Difference between Sony and Nintendo Nintendo were never afraid to put their biggest titles on handheld.
Would you not call Mario kart 7 console gaming on the go? How about Luigi mansion 2? Zelda OOT remake?
Your giving this image that Nintendo just put pocket-size games on handheld which simply isn't true.
People just want to play good games. Wether that be handheld or on home console.
As long as the NX handheld has high quality titles people will buy it.
@-DEMISE- Why the hostility? Judging from what I have seen the X1 is capable of, I am just not sure if I want a hybrid console that will be obsolete in two years. I never wanted a hybrid console, but I would like to see a dedicated home console that third party devs will be willing to port to. I have wanted a Nintendo console to play all games on, not just Nintendo games. This is why I may not invest in the console, at least right away. I hope the reveal will convince me.
@IPrino I see the NX as a handheld with TV out.
Hybrid would mean the docking station will bump up the power but I dont think Nintendo are doing this.
For me NX is a straight up handheld device with bonus of TV out.
@kobashi100 "Would you not call Mario kart 7 console gaming on the go? How about Luigi mansion 2? Zelda OOT remake?
Your giving this image that Nintendo just put pocket-size games on handheld which simply isn't true."
Nintendo definitely put those titles on their handheld. But those kinds of titles aren't what made the DS the cultural phenomenon it was. Those titles came to 3DS only after it was clear Nintendo was quickly losing the handheld market to smartphones and tablets and that the 3DS was looking to be the Wii U to the DS' "Wii". They needed a niche, and it was bigger titles. It helped some, sure. But I'm going to guess that Nintendo's shareholders aren't just looking for some success. They want Wii and DS like success again and now.
"As long as the NX handheld has high quality titles people will buy it."
Sure, and hey that worked out well for Wii U.
NX, or any console, needs a consistent flow of high quality titles, from a wide array of companies both 1st and 3rd party covering many genres. That is what will be key to NX's success, or lack thereof.
@PieNinja I totally agree with you. As long as the games are enjoyable. Games need to be fun primarily. Graphics and all that other stuff can come second.
The Vita didn't fail because it was marketed as having "console gaming on the go." It failed because of a lack of compelling software. If you were to theoretically switch the 3DS and Vita libraries (so the 3DS got Uncharted Golden Abyss, Killzone Mercenary, Call of Duty BlackOps Declassified etc while the Vita got Pokémon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, NSMB, Zelda, etc), I can guarantee you that the Vita would outselling the 3DS like how the 3DS is actually outselling the Vita right now.
@gatorboi352 As usual, your comments are full of assumptions and conclusions based on nothing, and everything you post contradicts something else you posted. Which is it, NX is too weak, or NX is too powerful? Is it the next Wii or the next Vita? And no, I'm not a member of the imaginary "NDF" that you keep referring to, unless the "N" stands for "Not-an-irrational-idiot".
But you know, that begs the question- why are you even on this site? I mean you know it's specifically dedicated to all things Nintendo and Nintendo fans, so if people choose to defend Nintendo on this site, what's it to you? I mean seriously, why waste your precious dial-up data on a site dedicated to something you clearly hate when you could be using it to order a new tin roof for your lean-two, or to sign up for a dating service so you can finally find a girlfriend that doesn't attend the same family reunions as you?
@IPrino No hostility intended. I just honestly think it's funny that so many people are freaking out at the prospect of NX using a chip that 99.99% of those people probably haven't even heard of, and probably don't really understand now that they have heard of it.
@Jrspesh Unfortunately not many people agree with that, which is why Nintendo's failing. But Nintendo's stubborn in the best of ways possible.
@westman98 dont include mobile phones
@-DEMISE- lol again with the redneck remarks... So strange.
Btw I'm married and have a kid. But anyhoo, clearly I've struck a nerve with you (equal parts impressive and odd as this is the internet) but I'll make one thing clear: I never said NX is too powerful.
What I said was console gaming on the go is not something to base your entire "gimmick" around, if that's what Nintendo ends up doing. It's a niche market. Mainstream markets (again, because Nintendo is in the business of making money) in this day and age are high powered home consoles and smartphones with addictive quick session gaming. People don't want to carry around multiple devices all day outside of their homes. Will some? Sure. But moving more franchises and shifting more resources to mobile is the inevitable truth for Nintendo. Not this gen. Maybe not next. But ultimately.
@IPrino amen, brutha. Sadly, others around here don't see it this way and would be happy simply with a Nintendo branded dirty shoe that played games as well.
Good original post. If memory serves me right - and it may not, every console chip (CPU or GPU) manufacturer let it be known to the world (their shareholders) that they would be supplying the silicon for a given console long before it is released.
We all knew AMD was supplying the processors for Sony and MS months before. They publically announced it.
They also did it for the Wii U as IBM did for both the Wiis and also the 360. Intel and Nvidia did it for the first Xbox.
The fact that Nvidia has said absolutely nothing and AMD has already dropped a hint makes me take all these rumours with a super dose of salt.
I am not saying that nvidia will not be in the NX, I am just saying I would be very surprise if it was.
If this rumour is false I am going to enjoy all theses "experts" now praising Nvidia switching loyalties back to AMD.
There is no loyalty among fanboys when it comes to the ingredients of their beloved console.
@Hotfusion Thanks, but even though I myself am also leaning more towards AMD, there might still be something to it yet and til the moment that Nintendo decides to speak, all of these topics are still rumors. On the 20th of this month, there's the Hot Chips conference, and Nvidia will be there showcasing the X2 and perhaps they will also reveal some console related news there, if it is applicable.
If they don't, then it is either simply not true or there is something else going on, like what a lot of others are also still expecting: both a handheld and a console, with the console being released first and the handheld at a later point in time, which could possibly be an explanation for no mention of design wins, since these can still be revealed in either one of the next quarters (Q4 2016 or Q1 2017), if the handheld is coming later.
But the other side of me is indeed somewhat curious to find out how people will react if the Nvidia rumor falls apart. And it probably will make me post some "I told you so's"...
In my experience so far, the difference in the camps is also that the Nvidia camp can't imagine anything else than that, and the AMD camp, or at least part of it, is still taking into account that it could ALSO be Nvidia alongside AMD, if there are going to be two dedicated devices, which would make Nvidia the handheld part and AMD the home console. And that could still mean that the handheld can also be played on TV, so everybody would win in that scenario. In my humble opinion, Nvidia only might possibly mean a powerful handheld, but it could potentially also mean a rather underwhelming "home console" experience when connected to the TV. Or a last gen one, which would have to make any sane person wonder how that is going to wow the discerning consumer...
@gatorboi352 If the "leaks" are right and that's really what NX ends up being, then I think Nintendo's goal is just to make a good handheld. And if it ends up looking good enough to output on your television, then that's an obvious selling point. And as long as things like battery life and price point hit the right marks, and if Nintendo can be bothered to actually market the thing and put some real research into its branding, they should have a good device with a lot of sales potential.
And you're welcome for the redneck comments. I've got plenty more where those came from.
@Camilla I am not including mobile phones. I am including Wii U and Nintendo 3DS.
@-DEMISE- that's a lot of "ifs".
Keep em coming. Rednecks amuse me too.
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