Over this past weekend Metroid fans had a fan-made effort to thank for providing a welcome celebration of the franchise with AM2R, rather jokingly being an abbreviation for Another Metroid 2 Remake. Sadly, and predictably, Nintendo has reacted to the overwhelming positivity and broad coverage of the four year project by shutting it down.
Links to the free download have disappeared from the official website for the project, and Nintendo issued a standard statement to Polygon explaining the takedown of the download's various mirrors found around the web, highlighting that they violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
Nintendo's broad library of characters, products, and brands are enjoyed by people around the world, and we appreciate the passion of our fans. But just as Nintendo respects the intellectual property rights of others, we must also protect our own characters, trademarks and other content. The unapproved use of Nintendo's intellectual property can weaken our ability to protect and preserve it, or to possibly use it for new projects.
It seems like a real pity, especially as it was a non-profit, free fan-made project. We're used to Nintendo doing this, and it is likely to be in the right legally, but regardless of the letter of the law plenty will dispute the spirit of this move.
The game itself is an impressive effort, remaking Metroid 2 with a visual style and gameplay more reminiscent of the likes of Metroid: Zero Mission; it impressed our video man Alex, too:
Another fan project bites the dust, though the scale of coverage and interest in this one is certainly interesting, as there may be a more vocal debate around the merits and otherwise of Nintendo's takedown notices.
[source metroid2remake.blogspot.co.uk, via polygon.com]
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That sucks, I'm desperately looking for it.
sad but understandable.
I hope this means they have something prepared for the anniversary, and don't want this to overshadow their thing
You would have to be blind to not see this coming.
@MrCafecito It means they want to leave themselves able to defend their IP in the future. However impressive this project may have been, the developer was giving away Nintendo's game. Not putting a stop to that would make putting a stop to it in the future more difficult.
It may be right legally, but they have to admit they look bad as hell on this one. Can hardly give us something good in the metroid franchise, see one of the best 2d metroid game and killed it. Slow Clap.
I'm sorry but just for this, I'm not throwing 40 bucks on your Federation non sense if you shut a brillant game for not being able to do so yourself.
I'm glad I downloaded it before they took it down. Dangit Nintendo.
@PanurgeJr but at least they could have capitalize on it. Hire this guy or buy the game/concept. I see opportuniy in this. they just slapped metroid fans in the face. "we can't do a good metroid game?we will killed fan projects and not learn from them". you see how it can frustrate fans, even if I understand they could not let it live.
“The unapproved use of Nintendo's intellectual property can weaken our ability to protect and preserve it“
I want to make a “Federation Force is unapproved“ joke... but meh.
(No, I don't hate Fed Force.)
Nintendo had 8 freaking years to stop them, the project wasn't a secret, it was well known and documented on the official blog... that move from Nintendo's Legal team and PR division is shamefull... why not hiring them, or make a deal to put AM2R on the eshop... No, of course no, and ppl will defend them saying is within their right to protect their IP... yeah sure... being right doesn't make it right tho, imho...
You might have broke my lifetime fan heart here Nintendo, you truly are disgusting me right now... -_-
They don't want a good metroid game to sink sales for nintendo's bad metroid game.
....And offer us Metroid Prime Federation Force for Metroids 30th Anniversary....
Nintendo really dropped the ball on this one.
This is why I downloaded it yesterday. I am frankly sickened by this as this a really great game and a labor of love by the developer. The least Nintendo could do is make a better Metroid game or at least acknowledge the anniversary. If it was Mario it would make more sense, but this is absolutely ridiculous.
P.S. "The unapproved use of Nintendo's intellectual property can weaken our ability to protect and preserve it, or to possibly use it for new projects." They could approve it and/or use it for new projects! Nintendo is sending a bad message to their fans by taking down these projects, especially well-made ones.
The most love this IP has been shown in years and there it goes. Saw it coming, and glad I got a copy.
@doomgc Why should Nintendo reward somebody who violated their copyright?
Not too surprising.
Hehehehe. Lucky for me I snaged it early.
Well I'm super glad I saw this coming a mile away and managed to get to it before the takedowns. Obviously Nintendo has a right to safeguard their IP. Any dev trying to make a game with one of Nintendo's properties might as well count that project dead on arrival.
That said, this was clearly a labor of love. Moreso than anything Nintendo has done with Metroid in years. And Nintendo could've used this opportunity to cut a deal with the devs and make the game one of their own. But that's, of course, expecting a lot of fanservice out of Nintendo. And fanservice is a concept that seems very foreign to them.
Honestly, it kinda feels like they did us a favor here. There's no way they didn't know about this while it was still being developed, so the fact that they waited until release to C&D it feels like mercy from their part.
Besides, the game is in the wild now, there's no way to erase it from the web. People (meaning, Doc's team without actually coming out as such) could always update the project via patches. It's certainly a non-issue for us fans.
Oh deary me. How clumsy of me to download it in anticipation of this noise.
Very predictable but sad to see. Nintendo best have a Metroid announcement for the NX or something to make us for this.
I'm glad you guys covered this or I woulda missed out knowing about it. Was playing it last night. It's cool, love the map feature made it so much easier. Didn't feel as "lost". Very cool it's a shame it's gone already.
I don't understand why people think they can just pass around whatever they want on the internet. You can't use intellectual property of someone else. Everyone knows that but they get all surprised and hurt when a company puts an end to it. Nintendo is in the right here 100%. Being mad because Nintendo didn't release game you wanted doesn't make it right to steal their intellectual property or defend someone who does.
@BensonUii Catch it while you can via the links I posted. It's a great game.
The guy could have contacted Nintendo in the first place before he started the game, and try to sort out the legal issues before he wasted his time. Either that, or he could have just changed enough of the game so it was a Metroid based game without the Metroid I.P infringing Nintendo's rights.
It didn't help that it used some Zero mission assets.
Oh, and for anyone else looking for a mirror download, /v/ has been having threads about the game with their own download links since release and believe me, people take good care of those. There are probably links floating around Twitter too. Finding one shouldn't be difficult.
Sad, but is anybody really surprised? It's pretty funny that Nintendo waited until the final product (as in a complete version, not that it wouldn't have continued to receive updates/tweaks) was released though. Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.
@ChuckYeah Legally they are of course well within their rights, but you do have to wonder why they waited the ENTIRE 8 years that he was making it, and he posted every update out in the open, so it was never a secret project, meaning they could have stopped it way back when he started it, and back then he was already using assets of the original game, so you really do have to wonder what they were waiting for.
@Marce2240 I already posted multiple links here, so no need to search...
It was just a re-skinned Metroid II. They could have used Metroid as inspiration to create something original, something that might have seen clearance for the e-shop, but instead just copied an already existing game. Projects have been shut down for much less infringement than this.
@BensonUii I dont know what to say. When someone is better than you at something, you just cry and kill his passion? I know there is legal issues there. But don't tell me the only option here is to let it die and go on like nothing happen. This is a masterpiece. I can't beleive they are not doing anything with it. But hey, can't wait on federation force I guess...
@DarthKirby No, not just reskinned, he also added stuff to make it even more of a SNES like game and he added his own graphics and music as well. It is actually quite a remarkable feat for a single person making this in his spare time. Probably also the reason why it took him 8 years to complete...
Give the guy $100,000, and credit, and sell it on the eshop!
@ThanosReXXX I see. I missed your post. But hey, the more the merrier.
If Nintendo isn't gonna celebrate the anniversary, why can't the fans?
@ThanosReXXX
The project was 8 years in the making, but only now you could download it. So big N took action...
@premko1 No, that's not good enough. It really does make no sense. They've shut down other projects WAY sooner, even projects still in beta phase, and this one also previously had a demo version, so that could also have been slapped with a cease and desist, but it wasn't.
Federation Force it is then....
Of course they did. Can't have it wiping the floor with Federation Force. Someone does a nice thing and releases a game people want and this is how they act. Nintendo should buy the code from the developer or come to some arrangement and release it on the eShop.
"The unapproved use of Nintendo's intellectual property can weaken our ability to protect and preserve it, or to possibly use it for new projects."
Or makes Federation Force an even harder sell to the general public. You'll eat backside waste and like it.
@ThanosReXXX Assuming they were legally forced to take action, they might have waited for the last moment precisely to minimize the impact it would have on the release, right? I'm not familiar with these procedures, so I'm just throwing ideas to the wall, seeing if something makes sense.
Nintendo was in the wrong here. They need to respect fan works and need to cooperate with fans like so many other companies do. I can only imagine what their response would be to PC mods if they were making games for PC.
Let's just hope this is a sign that Nintendo has decided to remake it themselves.
In an ideal world, Nintendo would approach the devs, secure the game and release it officially on the Wii U/3DS, possibly as a digital-only download via their eshop.
But ours isn't an ideal world... -_-
Meanwhile, Sony has been taking down channels that even discuss No Man's Sky.
@huxxny Oh boo freaking hoo. You don't like Nintendo telling someone they can't give their games away for free? Games which Nintendo are still selling through Virtual console, by the way. Go ahead and make a game and let someone else slap a new engine on it and give it away and we'll see if you feel the same way.
How is this "sad"? I can't imagine these people actually expected any different outcome. This is what companies like Nintendo do, and the way copyright laws work. I have zero sympathy for someone who decides to dedicate their life to revamping the graphics of someone else's game and giving it away instead of just making their own game. But don't pretend that Nintendo are somehow unique in their desire to keep the things they created and own under their control. Anyone who's ever actually made something original and had it stolen can probably agree with that.
The galaxy is not at peace.
@-DEMISE- Nintendo had 8 years to stop them, hire them or make a deal with them... but they didn't, that's what breaks my heart,... and if you can't undertand that, nor what it imply, well don't, i couldn't care less about what think tbh...
@goonow How would this have any impact on Federation Force? They're not even remotely similar or related in any way other than the word "Metroid". Also, have you played Federation Force? Read any reviews for it? No? Then how do you know it's bad? (hint: you don't)
@Marce2240 I honestly have no idea, but since he has always been so open about the project I truly cannot wrap my head around them taking action so late.
He even gave a heads up last month on his site/blog that the download was coming and they could have already forbidden him to do that as well, but strangely enough they didn't...
@huxxny Were Nintendo even aware that this remake existed? For all you know, this thing wasn't even on Nintendo's radar until it started getting coverage like three days ago.
"And don't forget: Nintendo loves you"
@ThanosReXXX I think it's very safe to say that Nintendo didn't know this remake even existed until very recently. There are probably hundreds of similar "remakes" and fan projects being posted online every single year, so it's not really realistic to expect that Nintendo will be aware of every single one of them, or even have the ability to go after all of them.
Never, never, NEVER remake games that are still being sold in some way. This was inevitable. It's such a shame but the devs should seen this coming. An original Metroid fangame would most likely not have been a problem.
@Marce2240 you seem to be one of the few who has a general understanding of copyright law while everyone else is lashing out in anger.
Nintendo is required to protect their copyright if they want to be able to maintain that copyright.
I get the feeling Nintendo knew the game was coming out but decided to think of the fans and allow the game to be released so that the fans could enjoy it (knowing then it would always be out there for those who really looked) while still doing what they legally needed to do to protect their copyright.
If they really wanted to they could have just screwed over the fans and stopped this way before they could ever even get their hands on it but they didn't.
@ThanosReXXX That's what puzzles me too. It's not like the team was quiet about it, and people commented on it quite a lot. The first demo dropped years ago, and the 1.4 demo covers 60% of the total area of the game. Eh, I'm choosing to remain positive over this.
A truly heartless move by nintendo. Completely predictable too. Still we have to give massive thanks to doc, his dedication has been something else. Whatever happens the fans of metroid salute your effort as one
@-DEMISE- It's not just a simple revamp of graphics: he changed a lot of things and implemented the best parts of 4 Metroid games in total as his personal tribute to the entire Metroid series.
Whichever way you look at it, it is quite a feat for one man, so at the very least we could silently admire his skills...
And yes, Nintendo were absolutely right legally, but they were absolute douches in waiting so long to stop him, especially since the project has been out there since day one for all to see.
And it is one of the bigger, if not the biggest ones out there, so them not knowing about it seems highly unlikely to me. Especially across a span of 8 years...
Good. Basically any other company would have done the exact same thing. Besides, Return of Samus is absolutely brilliant and is perfect the way it is, it doesn't need to be "remade" with GBA graphics stolen from other Nintendo games or shoehorned into the mould of Super Metroid with way too many items.
@PanurgeJr Because Nintendo are a giant corporation, which in the minds of your average entitled gamer equates to "the embodiment of evil", and they therefore don't deserve to protect their copyrights. The bigger you are, the more you deserve to be robbed blind.
Good. People should really stop breaking the law and posting it on the Internet and thinking they are getting away with it somehow.
@KoiTenchi I've heard about the "defending the copyright" part both with Nintendo-related stuff and with other companies, yet I can't wrap my head about how that actually works. Nintendo can't DMCA everything that people put out, so how come they (or any other company, for that matter) haven't lost the right to their every IP already? How come some things get a pass, yet others like unofficial plushies are rarely taken down unless they are mass-produced? There are lots of "ifs" and "buts" here.
@Clownshoes Personally, I'm hoping for a vertical shmup. There's some crazy stuff in this game.
@ThanosReXXX I never said I don't admire the guy's skills as a programmer, but don't overstate it- this is a remake. It's not a new game, it's not a parody, and it clearly didn't make enough changes to qualify as anything resembling fair use. And I don't know where people are getting that "8 years" figure. Everything I can find about the project says it started in 2012. But what difference does it make? If Nintendo knew about it before now and had the ability to do anything about it, do you seriously believe that they wouldn't have done so? How does it make sense in your mind that they would let the project go on right up until launch, and then shut it down, presumably just so they could screw with someone? For fun or something? I don't get it.
@Simbabbad You have no idea what you are talking about. The graphics are almost completely redone and far surpass what could be done on a GBA. And besides that, it is actually a very good and solid game. And NintendoLife, or at least Alex, agrees. Just check out that video at the top of this page and hear and watch him go on and on about how good the game and its controls are.
Of course if he was smart, he would have just made a Metroid inspired game with another character, but as he has so often explained on his blog he wanted to make the best tribute he could make because Metroid is simply one of his favorite series of all time.
Smart? Maybe not, but an admirable achievement nonetheless, certainly considering all the awful rip-offs that can be found online. At least this one is actually good.
Shame on the fans, making better games than nintendo. Seriously though, this was sadly expected.
@ThanosReXXX No posting of links here please - please remind yourself of the Community Rules. Thanks.
@RandomBlue A better game than Nintendo? By remaking.... a game that Nintendo made? Yeah that makes sense. How original.
@Marce2240 I had the same feeling. It was up for quite a long time, long enough for anyone with even remote interest to grab it. As long as Nintendo surely has known about it it's almost like they let it come out, have people a chance to get it, and then took it down.
@-DEMISE- Me neither, which is why I already said in several comments that it makes no sense to me. But maybe it has something to do with legal issues and how suing and/or cease and desist orders work. Maybe it's sort of like that they have to "catch him in the act" or something. The hell if I know, I'm no lawyer nor am I very familiar with these kinds of processes.
@Marce2240 People always confuse copyright and trademark. You can't lose your copyright because of infringement, but you have to defend your trademarks.
@ChuckYeah Somehow in the bizzarro world that the internet has created, that's exactly what it means.
@huxxny same thing here. I wont defend them this time. Yeah i get. They must protect their ip, but make something good come out of it. Being right doesn't make things right by default.
Honestly, if the guy wanted to make a tribute to Metroid, do some fan art, some music, or program some mini game NOT using an already existing, fully complete, game as the base and template.
Copyright and trademark laws exist for a reason, even if most people in this forum don't care about them
@Thanos, I'm no lawyer, but from what I understand, he could develop whatever he liked and announce it to the four winds as long as he didn't distribute it. When he's distributing material not allowed by the company, he could be damaging the brand and thus, the company's lawyers can do something. Before the distribution, well, not a lot to be done unless they confiscate his PC.
Youtube is full of videos of people covering songs. Some chap "covers" a videogame which took so much longer than one of these covers and it gets taken down. I don't understand as there are so many emulators and all the roms online you could quite easily play the original without too much hassle. Why are these still all over the net?
All we can hope is Nintendo have their own plans for the game. I can but dream.
No, we don't want people weakening our IPs. That's our job.
@ThanosReXXX I'm not a lawyer either, but I've had my fair share of experience with copyright/patent law, and it's just common sense to me that you can't actually expect to make a project like this without being challenged by the copyright holder. And I also know from experience that gigantic corporations only have so much in the way of resources and time in the day, which leads to blind-spots and prioritizing. For me, it's sort of an Occam's Razor scenario in that it makes more sense that Nintendo either weren't aware of the project or didn't have the ability to do much about it until it actually started circulating online than it does for Nintendo to have maliciously elected to let the project roll on to completion and THEN shut it down just so they could watch the guy squirm.
@Fidu Ah, so that's the key thing I was forgetting/didn't know that much about. That clears it up a little bit, thanks.
Also, on a similar note, Nintendo Power Collection has also been taken down. And if you need more games in the making to scratch that Metroid itch, Ghost Song is looking pretty good.
In other news, Sega has recently announced Sonic Mania, a game where each person working on it has worked on at least one Sonic fangame in the past, including Sonic 2 HD.
@Marce2240
And why would they want to do that, when they don't publish that anymore?
@Luna_110 Yeah, I suppose so, in which case it is indeed like I said and they needed to catch him in the act. But that still leaves the tiny riddle of both the demo and the announcement of the download of the full version last month.
If they had their eye on this, I can't imagine that they couldn't already have fired a warning shot.
People will probably say that it was more known now because of it getting so much attention on so many sites, but since it was always a VERY big project and out in the open from day one, I would wager that they were already watching this one for some time, just biding their time til he made the download available...
@PigmaskFan Hell if I know. Maybe they plan to release a virtual kiosk app in the future.
@Enigk Did you know that if you cover a song without permission, you are technically breaking the law? Especially if you're making money off of it. If you come across a cover in an official context, that person is most likely giving a cut of the money it generates to whoever owns the original song. Also, for every cover on youtube, there are a thousand covers that have been taken down from youtube because they were posted without permission by the original artist or publisher.
@Marce2240 The site with all the magazine scans? What a shame. And that one truly IS ridiculous. What harm could that have done, other than being a historic depository for older game magazines?
@MetaRyan Yeah let's have Nintendo emulate Sega's business practices from now on. Great idea lolol
So, Nintendo says to take it does, does this mean it is my queue to upload it back up?
@ThanosReXXX Maybe Nintendo did fire a "warning shot" and this guy just didn't tell anyone. But even if they didn't, their entire history as a video game maker has served as one big "warning shot", because they have always been aggressive in defending their property. I honestly can't believe that the person making this project wasn't aware of that. Everything Nintendo does has set precedence for this move.
@ThanosReXXX Yeah, that one's even more baffling than AM2R's case, if you ask me. I don't see Nintendo doing anything with those any time soon, and it's not like the magazines are in direct competition with their products. That was a 100% for-fans-by-fans project.
@Marce2240 Kind of makes you wonder what the people that make these books about old Nintendo games have to pay in royalties or other fees to be able to publish their books...
I have a theory. Just a theory. Maybe Ninty let this one get along JUST enough to be completed because of the backlash they received from fans for last year's E3 reveal of Federation Force...?
I get the whole argument of C&D, but you have to admit, Nintendo left us with NOTHING for a while.
There is already a torrent, so this shouldn't really stop anyone from getting it if they're interested.
This was inevitably going to happen. I doubt this came as much of a surprise to the creator.
@LeRaposa
Cooperate with fans like Square Enix and SEGA did with "Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes," and "Streets of Rage Remake," respectively? Both were fan games that received C&Ds, and both are IPs that haven't seen an entry for a longer period of time than Metroid. Also you've also got it backwards, fans need to respect Nintendo's IP, they don't want people utilising their characters and settings for their own games, whether they're making money off it or not. It's their prerogative.
@MetaRyan Nintendo really needs to do the same for Metroid, yeah. There's so many indies that would love to work on Metroid if Nintendo gave them the opportunity, and the fans would finally have the Metroid game they want.
@ThanosReXXX Hey, the company is expanding, after all. I'm expecting to see their own version of every similar small thing they've taken down, as a compensation.
@shaneoh Hard to respect Nintendo's ownership of the IP when they don't respect the IP.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Why should Nintendo reward somebody who violated their copyright?
@NESlover85 Or should I say, the blast ball YEAAAAAAH
I still don't get it why people bother making that type of thing. Those projects most of the time, if not always, get shutdown.
It makes those people look stupid. At least change the title and sprites a little, so to people it will be obvious what it is, while Nintendo can suck it, because it is not theirs.
@Bolt_Strike
Don't see how you figure that.
@PanurgeJr To regain the trust of its community? I mean, the guy wasn't selling the game or anything.
@Devlind Exactly. He was not making ANY MONEY off of it.
Yeah, I'm on Nintendo on this one. This fan game actually damage their IP, I mean, this make Federation Force look like crap.
@-DEMISE- Oh, I agree, he was more than likely fully aware of it, but in his enthusiasm of having been able to finish the project maybe pride took over a bit from sanity and he went and uploaded it anyway, who knows? Maybe some part of him even thought that it would serve as a message to Nintendo of people wanting another Metroid game, whether it will be an anniversary version or not. Or maybe it was his way of applying for a job.
Maybe he is going to comment on the matter in the near future. The downloads may be removed, but the site and the discussion forum is still there. If I were him, I would change the game and aesthetics slightly and re-release it as a Metroidvania game. It's a shame to see it being lost forever after so many years of work...
On a side note, since you were previously wondering if the game has truly been in development for 8 years, I found a discussion on Reddit, that does indeed mention the person making it and him starting in 2008, so that would indeed make it 8 years. And he has also released a demo earlier, something I was starting to doubt for a moment, since Nintendo didn't do anything about that:
"The making of this game was a long journey for sure. The creator, DoctorM64, ended up creating a tech demo called Metroid: Confrontation in the process and the actual game went through two major art and music revamps, all this in his spare time after work and starting a family."
@Devlind Federation Force doesn't need any help to look like crap.
Its a shame that people don't give Nintendo some credit. They could have stopped it long ago but let the fans release it and then held off 24 hours before actually taking action. Reminds me of the fan made Zelda movie they allowed to stay up for a short time before having removed.
I think I'm not going to buy Nintendo products for a while, I've lost a lot respect for them because of this.
Nintendo is completely in the right here. Just like they're right to neglect the franchise the way they have.
@ThanosReXXX I definitely think he should use it as the foundation for something original. It would be significantly more rewarding for him in terms of the artistic payoff, and after all the exposure he's gotten, he pretty much has a built-in audience that would probably wait on baited breath to buy the game. After spending so much time on the thing, he might as well take the extra step to make it his own so he can actually be financially compensated for his work.
@doomgc you dont buy what you already own. Thats kind of the point. Am2r no different to a cheap knock off pair of ray bans... or a pair of fake crocs.
Moral of the story - if you are going to put something online to download that Ntinedo will probably C&D, do so late Friday or early on Saturday, Nintnedo's lawyers don't work weekends. Hence the Monday take down after this was up for a couple of days.
Nintendo of America never Tweets on the weekend either, or before noon eastern time, gotta love that west coast living.
@ThanosReXXX - No comment on your links being deleted? I thought for sure you would blow a gasket. Glad I was mistaken.
OWN your IP, Nintendo.
Metroid, Mario & Zelda are your holy trinity.
It's sad that this is how we are celebrating Samus' birthday.
@bolt05 A knock off with diamonds and gold in my book. Thanks for the comment.
@ThanosReXXX: I'm assuming this game was 100% completed. Somebody that was lucky enough to download it needs to put this on a GBA cartridge and sell it on ebay so it can be enjoyed by all. Screw Nintendo's copyrights as far as I'm concerned. They can't seem to show us any love by giving us a Metroid 2 remake, or a decent Metroid game in general.
Not surprised in the least. I really don't get why people think companies won't protect their IP.
@Webby-sama Yeah, poor Metroid, never getting any attention
/looks at the fact that Nintendo has made like a dozen Metroid games in spite of the fact that the entire series has sold less copies than your average Mario game basically just to please their fans, instantly changes mind...
@KnightRider666 OH! You should check out this one game called "Metroid Prime" and both of its direct sequels! They're like REALLY good. It seems crazy to me that you didn't know about those since you seem to really like Metroid games, lol!
@-DEMISE- Not the 2D love that Metroid deserves.
@KnightRider666 I'd love to fit the game on a cartridge myself, but GBA limitations are rather strict. There's now way the game can be replicated in such a way.
@shaneoh Because Nintendo, despite being legally in the right here, is doing more damage to the Metroid IP than AM2R. Nintendo should be encouraging fan content that's constructive to the series, not shutting it down. Work out whatever legal ins and outs you need to, but Metroid and Nintendo as a whole will benefit more from working with fan developers that bring quality content to their IPs, not against them.
Outright killing AM2R is sending the wrong message to the Metroid fanbase. It stands as an attack against the Metroid fanbase's preferences and that will only serve to turn them away.
@rjejr No my friend, I only cry on the inside, either in grief or in rage. And I specifically tend to ignore double standards and the like... (the previous article on this game came with its own download link and of course there is the video here as proof of them owning and playing a copy themselves... )
And I'm far too old, wise and superior of a person to let that persuade me to invest even the tiniest bit of energy into dignifying that with any kind of response.
@KnightRider666 Yup, it was indeed completed, although this was version 1 and from what I understood he was still busy himself running through it to see if it still had any issues or if it needed some more tweaks, so a v2 could have been released as well, if nothing had happened with this version.
@Devlind He was giving it away. Equally a violation, since only the rights holder is entitled to do that. And "entitled" seems to come up a lot when Metroid fans are around...
@Bolt_Strike No, Nintendo should be actively guarding their copyrights, since that's what literally every single entity in their right mind should be doing. Sanctioning fan projects is a cute idea, but it's also a really bad one for anyone who hopes to make money off of their work while simultaneously preventing thieves from making money off of their work.
@KnightRider666 You are actively arguing that Nintendo's copyrights deserve to be violated, and they need to earn back the trust of you?
@KnightRider666 Nintendo are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they keep making 2D Metroid games, I guarantee you people will protest it because of its lack of originality, and because no matter how good any 2D Metroid game is, it can NEVER be considered as good as Super Metroid, because that would be blasphemy. And yet if they make a 3D Metroid, just as many people will say it's a rehash of Prime. I've just never seen such unrealistic levels of scrutiny and expectations for any other developer like those Nintendo has to deal with. It's honestly just absurd.
@ThanosReXXX
Most likely they do, since those books source material are the games. That we will never know the icky details is another thing.
@-DEMISE- You're not getting it. Nintendo isn't making money off Metroid the way they're headed with the series, no one wants this. Metroid would have a much better chance of survival if they actually take fan ideas into consideration.
@-DEMISE- you really need to relax my friend. You gain nothing by defending Nintendo this hard.
@-DEMISE- Agreed with most of what you said there (#125) but I would beg to differ on the subject of a 2D Metroid not being welcome, especially on the 3DS. I think many a Metroid fan would gladly support that. Must at least be one of the reasons for the popularity of this remake...
@Marce2240: Damn, there's gotta be some way... I've been hoping for a remake of Metroid 2 for years!
@-DEMISE- I mean, you are a nintendo fan I presume. you must have some things you want, right? like some preferences when thinking of what the next game could be like. if there's ever a next game. and it is YOU that will get money out of your wallet to give to nintendo in exchange of said game. but when the only thing advertizing this game (the only way to judge if its worth my money or not) is not convincing you at all, like federation force, you can't blame us. EVEN if its a side-game.
let's be honest here for a second. as a metroid game, federation force looks bad. AS A METROID GAME. if it tries so hard to be new or another genre, don't put a branding on it that resonate "exploring" "samus" and "chlostrophobia". your points are valid, but our felling of getting let down is valid too I think. so. calm yo bits.
@ThanosReXXX well said. we all love both style. and we all want both style. it's not that difficult to get, geeeze.
So glad i expected this too happen and downloaded it earlier.
@PanurgeJr: I could care less about Nintendo's trust.
@-DEMISE-
Plus, Metroid fans act like it is this heavy hitter, AAA series.... It never has been. Metroid Fusion sold 1,08 million (according to Wiki, not the most realiable but is everything I have) in a 4 year span, from November 2002 to August 2006.
Zelda Minish Cap sold was released in Japan in November 2004, and by March 2005 had sold a million copies worldwide. In 5 frickin' months.
People cry out for Metroid, but for Nintendo I doubt it is an economically sound decision to invest more in the IP, plus, it won't attract new fans to the consoles.
I saw this coming, so I downloaded it before it was too late...yet I'm on a mac and can't run it...damn.
@KnightRider666 If you haven't downloaded this yet (and have a way to play it on PC or Linux), get it wherever and whenever you can. It's the remake Nintendo wouldn't do, and it's so well done I was practically in tears when I completed it yesterday. The dedication DocM64 had to make this, it's head and shoulders above most fan projects. All must play it, it's that good.
@dronesplitter: Where can I get it???
@KnightRider666 Weren't some links posted in the topic before? If those are gone, just keep an eye out. I guarantee if you search it, you'll find links though I cannot provide you with one at the moment, sorry. Just keep an eye out, that's all I'm saying, the fans won't let this slip away.
@ThanosReXXX I didn't know about it until a few days ago when it made all the news sites. There's a good possibility that Nintendo didn't either. There are so many of these types of things out there that Nintendo can't possibly keep track of them all. They probably just watch the big news sites and then shut down copyright infringements. We always tend to see the Nintendo shut down such and such article a few days after the big announcements. Seems logical to me that Nintendo would take that route rather than wasting resources scouring the internet for pirates.
@dronesplitter Those links were posted by me, and were taken down according to the site/community rules.
@KnightRider666 Just Google "AM2R download" and more than enough links will pop up...
@ThanosReXXX: okay, thanks!
@Bolt_Strike
"Outright killing AM2R is sending the wrong message to the Metroid fanbase."
"We don't want you using our properties to make a game that is unaffiliated with us," isn't a wrong message.
"It stands as an attack against the Metroid fanbase's preferences and that will only serve to turn them away."
It's not an attack, the Metroid fanbase are not victims. Preferences don't factor into this, it's about someone using something they have no right to use.
I would love to enjoy your IP nintendo, but first you have to make a game that I actually care about that involves said IP. Instead of you know, not acknowledging its anniversary at all. Too bad Samus isn't your cash cow Link.
@ChuckYeah Yeah, in the end we will probably never know the full story. Nintendo surely won't speak about it besides the statement they already made, and the guy that made it, might also be under some kind of restrictions, so chances are he isn't allowed to give any further details on the C&D either.
I'm hoping he is going to redo the game in another look, though, so he can legally release it and more people can enjoy it, because it is truly a VERY well made piece of fan art, and a good game in and of itself.
@-DEMISE- I was merely making light of the situation with a little joke. Not to be mistaken, was also followed up by seriously and its not surprising.
@DekersHekers When looking for links, I also came across something called a "wineskin" app, that would allow the game to run on Mac. I don't know anything about Mac PC's but perhaps it is worth looking into...
It's sad that fan games like this make a better effort for Metroid than the Big N does. I'll take this over Federation Farce any day.
"Or to possibly use it for new projects", hmmmmmm ... i think this is a hint.
Ya know I find it baffling how so many people don't seem to understand the way copyright laws work. When you are a company like Nintendo in order to maintain your IP you must exercise your right to protect your IP. From what I hear in Japan unprotected IPs tend to get dumped into public domain fairly quickly.
Also it matters little if he was making money off it or not. When you make a game based directly off an existing companies work as in using an existing game's assets and resources and distribute it over the internet you basically are breaking copyright law. Its pretty much the same reason that Mario 64 remake got taken down.
Also how did anyone not se this coming considering how aggressive Nintendo is in defending its IPs. In fact I would say Nintendo is probably right up there with Disney in how protective it is of its brands.
@shaneoh No, it's not just copyrighting. Because the only Nintendo sanctioned Metroid game is a half baked spinoff that has been overwhelmingly rejected. So Nintendo since Nintendo isn't making a main series Metroid game and they're not allowing anyone else to make a main series Metroid game, they're sending a message that they don't want the fans to have a main series Metroid game at all.
That's why this is the wrong way to resolve this. They're not addressing the fanbase's concerns with official Metroid games and in fact making it worse by taking away the one experience that resonates with them, which will only serve to further damage the Metroid brand and drive fans away from Nintendo.
I'm glad I was able to download it while it was still up. Big thanks to Nintendo Life for finding this awesome project, sadly we might not see it again.
A company that has a very popular IP, wants to control that IP with heavy-handed tactics, and even sent their lawyers out to shut down fan websites and projects to stop that IP from getting beyond their control. Sound familiar? It should, but I'm not talking about Nintendo in this sentence. This is actually the actions of another company, TSR Inc. The IP, of course, was Dungeons & Dragons.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana, The Life of Reason
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@LegendOfPokemon That's why I downloaded it yesterday as well. The moment I saw it hit 1.0 yesterday my initial excitement quickly turned into a rush to download the game before the inevitable takedown notice. What's more surprising to me is that some people are genuinely surprised that this happened. Did everyone just forget how the same Nintendo also tried to use copyright infringement to prevent Melee from appearing at Evo 2013 despite the fact that the community fundraised over $150k for charity out of sheer love for the game? It really makes Nintendo look terrible especially in comparison to their old rival Sega who recently hired fan devs to make a brand new 16 bit Sonic game for them.
@Traskin7 I think you meant Pokémon, Mario, and Zelda.
Metroid is and (most likely) always been a B-list franchise for Nintendo.
Real talk though, this makes me extremely concerned about Mother 4 (It's a fan game being made by Earthbound/Mother Fans. You can google it). I worry that the same thing will happen to that game when it gets released
IMO, this is why Nintendo will never reach highs of "cool" as they did back in the NES and SNES days but in today's world. No amount of merchandise partnerships or theme parks will change this until they start letting the public express themselves by showing their love for them. It was non profit. I could understand if they had amazing things planned for their IP's anniversaries. Most of what they've done in the past was lame from the get go or only showed the potential of what could have been. And Nintendo could probably discover some amazing talent if they loosen up a bit and kept and eye on what's out there. But, I'm not in business, so my opinion could be incredibly naive.
@Bolt_Strike There's nothing Nintendo needs to resolve. Their copyright was violated and they responded in the way a multi-billion yen corporation should. That some small segment of fans believes they've been mistreated because their entitled petulance hasn't been catered to doesn't change how Nintendo, or any corporation, should act.
most ppl on both side of the fence here will not deny that Nintendo have the right to protect their IP, and had to do something about AM2R... but what they decided to do and how they did it is rather interesting...
like many have pointed out, they could have shut down the project a long time ago while in developpement, like they did in the past with others...
but were they aware of it you ask? how could they not, its not a small secret project made away from the light of day... an official blog, many articles over the years, many vids on youtube... if they looked around to see if someone infringed on their IP, Nintendo would have seen all of this...
but its the first time it was made available for download, that why they wait to strike... no, many demos have been available throught out the years of dev, and the side project Metroid Confrontation is still up for download even tho the blog have been decimated earlier today...
now that we agree that Nintendo protect their IP, have the right to do so, and have been doing so for years... can we also agree that they could have, IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO, they "could" have done something else than just DMCA'd it?
couldn't they, even if they had learn about it in the last hour, couldn't they have made an offer or some sort of deal to get their hands on it instead of burying AM2R? seriously?
@huxxny Why should Nintendo reward somebody who violated their copyright?
I'll be playing this AM2R while the rests play Federation Force, you can count me out from that one.
@-DEMISE- @doomgc @ThanosReXXX @MarcelRguez Nintendo can't stop something that tangibly doesn't exist yet. Yes, these guys have been working on it and talking about it publicly for years, but unless they were talking about making any form of money off it, Nintendo or any other company wouldn't, and to a certain extent can't, touch them. Even with what the dev has shown it falls in the category of framework and as long as he kept it to himself and a small group of friends he could get away with it. But of course the devs didn't do that and released it to the public where the law could get to them. It doesn't help that the game is a remake of an already commercial product Nintendo is still selling (yes even if this version has some changes and it adds stuff it's still essentially following the narrative and gameplay of the orginal) and using assist from other metriod games like ZM, which in copyright infringement court is akin to stealing, doesn't help their case. Combine all that with how popular it became, Nintendo had to nip this in the butt or else lose their IP to the public. We were lucky to get a full 48 hours before they took action.
@Bolt_Strike
Maybe its wrong, but it is Nintendo's IP, and if they want to throw Metroid in the bin of forgotten series, they can.
The best way to protest is with the wallet, but laws are clear everywhere regarding the use of copyrighted material.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Pokemon is more gamefreak/Pokemon company than Nintendo.
Look it up.
It figures that something cool like this went up while I was on vacation and taking a break from the internet, only to read that it was already taken down.
@PanurgeJr why should they necessairely punish somebody for putting that much love and effort into something that they could profit greatly out of it instead?
@DoctorOverbuild
I have pc zip file if you want.
@PanurgeJr No they didn't. Spitting in the face of the Metroid fanbase like this instead of addressing the fanbase's concerns will cost them money. If they'd have simply worked something out or outsourced DoctorMario64 to make a new Metroid game, they could have a reasonably selling game for a cheap investment. This isn't the shrewd IP management you'd expect of a multi-billion company, this is the boneheaded arrogance of a company that doesn't know how to sell games to their fans.
@Bolt_Strike
"since Nintendo isn't making a main series Metroid game"
We don't know that
"and they're not allowing anyone else to make a main series Metroid game,"
They aren't allowing anyone to utilise their IP without a contract
"they're sending a message that they don't want the fans to have a main series Metroid game at all."
They really aren't, it's not a conspiracy, they aren't out to get you.
@Uzuki It was just one guy who made it...
It's not like you're going to make a remaster of Metroid 2 anytime soon.
Why not take a leaf out of Sega's book and actually work with some of these passionate fans; it might even turn into something real good:
http://www.inceptional.com/2016/07/28/8-awesome-nostalgia-fueled-minutes-of-sonic-mania/
You know.
No matter how big a fan you are its not ok to remake something and claim its your work because you changed it a little and made graphics and gave it away for free.
Make your own game in the style and at least be original and actually add something to the genre and the industry. This is blatant plagiarism and is not ok and it is cheap and nasty.
@shaneoh They said in 2015 that there's no Metroid game in development and they've done absolutely nothing to placate the outrage over Federation Force (whereas Nintendo will often at least mention the development of IPs or games that would address fan complaints). If we're getting any kind of main series Metroid game, it won't be anytime soon.
And again, why CAN'T they just work something out with DoctorMario64 and have him make an official Metroid game, just like what SEGA is doing for Sonic Mania? He's more willing to work on Metroid than probably all of NoJ combined and they won't have to put as much money into it.
@Trinexx I'd say that Google is your friend. There are plenty of sites still offering the download.
@Kirk That's a bit of an overreaction. Like many people have said already, its nintendos ip to do whatever they want with it, even to their fans displeasure. And um Sega as an example does not really help your argument lol.
And im not entirely sure if nintendolife's guidelines allow you to post links.
@GraveLordXD irrelevant. Plagiarism is illegal.
Hmm...looking at some of the public fan outcry here makes me kinda glad i never got into metroid
Edit: @dronesplitter Not really. Was making of a joke of the people who were outraged this happened when this was obviously going to happen. And i guess if i spent money on federation force, i could support it and help nintendo make many future sequels to it.
@ThanosReXXX Actually that's what I was running it on, but for some reason it just freezes when I try to open it.
Seems like every time an app doesn't work on Wine and I talk about it, somebody recommends Wine.
@RandomBlue That's hilarious. Fans enjoying something makes you stay away, huh? Interesting, I guess you enjoy only liking what no one else likes, then. Maybe gaming is a bad idea for you...oh, wait, try Federation Force out, sounds like your thing!
@Bolt_Strike To call protecting your copyright "spitting in the face of fans" shows quite a bit of both entitlement and ignorance of copyright law.
Welp, I downloaded so im happy. Time to make a million mirrors.
This is why I downloaded it as soon as I saw the article announcing its completion.
That is a bummer was nice for us Metroid fans too play something more Metroid.
@PanurgeJr It's not just about protecting copyrights, it's about what Nintendo is doing with that copyright. The fact that a fan remake is generating much more interest than an officially sanctioned Metroid game should tell you something about which style of game would be more profitable for them.
@Bolt_Strike That a few thousand people like the old Metriod games? That's great and all but we have to honest with ourselves and look at it from a business standpoint. Metriod doesn't sell. Even in Nintendo's hayday with the NES and SNES, Metriod sold ok at best, barely covering the cost of development at worst. Heck the producers, devs, and music composer have only recently found out in the last couple of years that their games have such a following. I love Metriod and I would for Nintendo to jump back into the saddle with it, but if they don't feel like making another one or don't trust renting the IP out again, who are we to call them idiots for not wanting to invest in something that wouldn't cover it's own cost to make?
@ThanosReXXX I would personally love a new side-scrolling Metroid, especially on the 3DS. But I know how consistent the internet is when it comes to the way it reacts to just about anything Nintendo announces, and my expectations are less sanguine than yours when it comes to this issue.
@Kirk Man I was wondering when ol' Kirk would show up in this comment section and do his thing. It took so long, I was honestly afraid that some terrible tragedy had befallen you.
@GraveLordXD I disagree. I think the 2 GBA series entries are better than this pirate hack.
It is also my position that endorsing illegally developed software, as some of the comments on this page are in fact doing, is wrong.
Maybe Nintendo Life could do a poll to see what the number are on whether or not fans believe its ok to pirate software and endorse it as 'ok' because it was made by a fan. Legally the results don't matter of course, but this would help reach a consensus on this issue.
@PanurgeJr Agreed. If everyone pirated Nintendo's games and hacked them into their own versions there would be no quality nor any Nintendo to speak of, that is why this activity is not ok, and is in fact detrimental to exactly what the fans are asking for and complaining about. Endorsing illegally developed software because you like it and you are a fan of the IP is counter-intuitive to supporting the original IP and is an invalid argument.
@doomgc Literally my only point is that Federation Force is not out yet, so passing judgment on it in any way seems irrational and unfair to the people who made it. Would I rather have a new ACTUAL Metroid game? Obviously. But there's nothing wrong with creating a spinoff to an established series. It happens all the time, both inside and outside of Nintendo.
Too bad for them a lot of people downloaded it already, it's a matter of time before people upload it to other sites; they're just mad people like this better than that Federation BS
@EXP And you gain what, exactly, by condescending to tell me this, or by posting any of the comments you do on this or any other site? Thanks for presuming to know what my mood is and telling me what to do though, random person on the internet.
@Bolt_Strike Sure they would. The series will go back to being the money-generating smash hit it used to be if Nintendo would just listen to the series' fans! Never mind the fact that "the fans" can't even come to a consensus of what they want out of the series, and that Metroid has never made much money for Nintendo. But no, you're right. Do what the fans want, whatever that actually means.
Oh, and that's all assuming that Nintendo isn't currently developing a Metroid game. Because that's what you're assuming, even though there's a good chance that they are.
@Traskin7 Yeah, Nintendo owns 1/3 of the series and they own a majority stake in the Pokémon Co. It practically is a Nintendo IP.
Even if we ignore Pokémon, I'd argue Kirby is a larger series than Metroid.
@-DEMISE- Well, on the topic of the internet, or rather, the kind of people that frequent the internet in general (exceptions of course taken into account, and this site luckily has plenty of them, which is why I'm still around) we are in agreement. Most commenters/haters are delusional, think they know how a company operates or should operate, stomp any and every positive effort of a company into the ground or complain even when something they've been whining about finally happens and then it's still not good enough in a lot of cases. Yeah, since the rise of the internet, a lot of people that should have stayed quiet and maybe even locked up in their basements, now all of a sudden also have a voice, and think they should use it to assault others.
As for me: I'm no rosy colored glasses kind of guy in particular, if that is how I come across to you: I'm just someone that has learned and likes to think in solutions instead of in problems, since only the former will help move things forward and will make you gain something.
So, even in the case of the NX being Nvidia-only, I will still be cautiously optimistic, even though my personal preference would be AMD. I still see possibilities for both, but I also see the pitfalls for both. Just prefer to focus on the possibilities, since that is the most interesting and relevant part.
But whichever way the coin falls, I'll still be able to be happy about it, because I just go from there with looking at what I am able to get from that in a positive sense.
And it might just also be an age thing, or at least partially: I'm 46, and in general, I find it to be a huge waste of my time and energy to constantly focus on the negatives and what we will not get. And besides that: this is just a hobby for most of us, so what's there to get so worked up over in the first place?
And if all that is what makes my opinion more sanguine, then so be it.
No offense taken...
@YellowFighter
You say that like defending Nintendo in this instance is a bad thing. Forgive me if I decide to not feel like this victimises me somehow. Perhaps I should tell people to stop trying too hard to think that Nintendo is trying to offend them somehow.
@Bolt_Strike
"They said in 2015 that there's no Metroid game in development"
Doesn't mean there isn't now.
"and they've done absolutely nothing to placate the outrage over Federation Force"
Yeah sure, let people think their overreaction is valid by addressing it.
"(whereas Nintendo will often at least mention the development of IPs or games that would address fan complaints)."
I don't recall any instance of this happening any time recently.
"If we're getting any kind of main series Metroid game, it won't be anytime soon."
Doesn't give anyone the right to make an unofficial Metroid game in the meantime.
Like they're going to make a good Metroid game anyways. Glad I downloaded AM2R before the takedown.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy
Since Kirby has gotten more games than Metroid lately, I tend to agree with you. At least, Nintendo feels it is better to invest in Kirby (inclusing the Kirby Cafe in Japan), so that is a pretty big sign sent to the fans.
lol
great job nintendo
glad they havent screwed up my favorite IP (kirby) yet
@Luna_110 Not to mention Kirby is a better seller than Metroid (Kirby's Dream Land sold ~5.1 million and Superstar Ultra sold ~3 million, more than any game in the Metroid series).
What a shock.
They sell Metroid II on the 3DS eShop. This isn't a game that is completely out of print and not making any money for them, this is a game they still sell. Why would they let someone remake it and hand it out for free? I am all for reviving abandonware or games you can't get anymore legitimately for whatever reason but that isn't the case here.
Nintendo is the only major publisher I am aware of that issues DMCA Takedowns of fan sites and fan projects made by people who love their IPs for other people who love their IPs, out of fear that it's bad for them somehow.
Are they afraid that they're being shown up or something?
They need to realize, as every other major publisher has, that people being devoted enough to their IPs that they are willing to spend their own time and money to do these things, are not detrimental to their business.
@ThanosReXXX No, I agree with all of that. I actually share a lot of your opinions on outlook and the way you view things. My "sanguine" comment was only meant to be directed at your expectations of fan reactions to something like a 2D Metroid game. I'm usually the type of person who likes to look on the bright side of things, but I've gradually come to expect the worst out of people when it comes to the way they handle anything Nintendo does and even a lot of what Nintendo doesn't do. I think Nintendo are held to a lot of unfair standards that no other developer is, and it all stems from the fact that they made so many great products early on, and now they're constantly living in the shadow of their own legacy.
Eh, I've never cared about any of their other takedowns, but this one irks me.
I'ts probably because I love Metroid so much, and the fan that made the remake does too, but Nintendo clearly doesn't give a rat's ass.
@DarkKirby Lmao they're the only ones, huh? No offense, but you need to get out more. Gain some experience, maybe read something other than this site for a change.
@LUIGITORNADO What would you do if you were calling the shots for Nintendo in this case?
While it certainly is a frustrating situation, Nintendo has every legal right to do this as the Metroid franchise is their IP. They have every right to dictate what does and doesn't happen to it, and protecting one's own intellectual property is important these days. I mean, if I had a franchise that was as popular as Metroid and someone did something with it without my consent, I would probably have some mixed feelings about it.
I highly doubt Nintendo did this just because they felt like it; they did it to make sure their IP is only being used by authorized parties. I mean, Nintendo doesn't just sit there all day going "Mwhahaha, that'll show those pesky Metroid fans who's boss!", they do these things for a reason, and that's to make sure that their IP is protected. You can't have double standards, I'm afraid, and if they allowed this fan game to stay up, what happens when someone comes in and uses their IP in a negative way? You can't just take down one and not the other; that's just not how the world works. I honestly feel bad for the guys who are in charge of sending out these C&D orders. I imagine it must be terribly sad to have to be the guy who says "Yeah, I know you were just doing this because you really love the series, but it goes against copyright law, so..." and then see the reaction to it online.
This game is truly a testament to the dedication that Metroid's fans have towards the series, and I think it's superbly done! I even plan to give it a go at some point. However; even if I disagree with Nintendo's actions right now, I do respect that it is within their legal right to do these things, and if I were in their shoes I would have begrudgingly done the same. It's a tough call, but it sadly is a tough call that has to be made.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Sure, Kirby is bigger. But Kirby was born out of HAL and Iwata trying to 1up R&D1.
Mario, Metroid and Zelda were all R&D1 projects and imho created genres all on their own.
But yes, Pokemon and Kirby overshadow Metroid. Just not in this gamers heart. 😎
I get people are frustrated by Nintendo's use of Metroid, but they were using their IP without permission. The excuse that they were giving the game away for free doesn't really make it right, especially since a free version of Metroid 2 is going to take away from Nintendo tying to sell their original version of the game that they have the rights to.
I can appreciate the time, care, and effort put into this, but in the end it has the ability to impact negatively on Nintendo owned Metroid games.
@DarkKirby
I'll tell you of two more, just so you don't think that Nintendo are the only company doing this:
Square Enix shut down "Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes"
SEGA shut down "Streets of Rage Remake,"
Hey Nintendo Life writers, I saw this on imgur while discussing Nintendo taking down Pokémon Uranium. Thought you might like to take a look: https://gamingreinvented.com/nintendoarticles/fake-nintendo-employee-taking-fan-works
@PanurgeJr false, not defending a copyright right does not weaken it. It is an prevalent myth.
I think Nintendo wanted this to get distributed very briefly so it would never disappear but they would be successful in protecting their IP. My problem isn't with Nintendo it's with copyright and IP laws.
@-DEMISE- You can shove off. Don't bait me into an argument with an absurd what-if.
What would you do if I didn't give a poop?
Now you know.
@LUIGITORNADO don't say poop on this website, mate. DEMISE just hasn't had his pop-tart yet.
@LUIGITORNADO Yikes. I really wasn't trying to bait you, I was legitimately curious what you would do differently and why you would do it that way.
@Traskin7 Right. So the "screw Nintendo!!!!!" mob= totally fine, but my stance of "let's not crucify Nintendo for doing what virtually every other company on the planet does"= me being cranky from low blood sugar. Got it.
EDIT: Oh, and the irony of your comment is further emphasized by the fact that you posted it in response to a person who flipped out and cursed at a stranger for asking "what would you do differently?" haha
@-DEMISE- Hehe. That's good. Just saying , get some rest. It's like this Metroid fan did something unsavory to a member of your fam or something.
Don't sweat it. Your powers are welcomed in another topic, maybe on another site.
Actually, I rarely post here and maybe I should be blowing myself the same line.
You're like a tiger.
Edit: play it and see for yourself.
"If you build it, they will come"
Edit2: I overreacted. But I came off this thread hours ago.
@Therad That's not exactly right. It's true that your copyright is still technically yours and is still technically valid even if you don't defend it. No one is going to take your copyright from you for being a bad copyright owner. However, precedence is incredibly important in copyright arbitration, and if you don't actively defend your copyright, you will potentially be opening up a can of worms that you will never be able to untangle.
I'm not sure of the legality of copyrights and trademarks internationally, so I'll just say this looks like a sticky situation. It would have been nice if some sort of agreement could have been made. It's not like there is a new Metroid game currently out that this would be interfering with the success of. One could make the argument that Metroid 2 is sold on the Virtual Console, but that service caters to an audience that specifically wants to play games in there original format, not remakes.
@Traskin7 Oh thank you, kind and benevolent stranger, for setting me straight! Now go ahead and say the exact same thing to the literally hundreds of other people posting multiple comments in this thread. Oh wait, you're not going to because you agree with them! Funny how that works.
And no, I'm not personally offended by this game in any way shape or form. I literally just found out about it like two days ago, so it means nothing to me. What I'm offended by is the sense of entitlement and the sheer lack of common sense that so many people on this site seem to be suffering from. I'm here to defend rational thought, not Nintendo.
@-DEMISE- no, you are thinking about trademarks. A myth is still a myth even if you repeat it. See for example https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/stopping-internet-plagiarism/your-copyrights-online/3-copyright-myths/
1st, I doubt Nintendo filed the takedown. They retain lawyers who do the job of protecting their IPs for them so that they don't even need to be involved. As another user said above, in order to maintain their copyrights, it's necessary.
Now, this doesn't rule out that Nintendo COULD contact the author POST-Take-Down if they want to. In this case, it would be wonderful if NintendoLife and other blogs would continue covering AM2R, reviewing it, posting that they would love to have Nintendo actually acknowledge the merits of the game, etc, and have tons of fan petitions for it to become an actual eShop release.
Capcom celebrated a Mega Man anniversary by releasing a community fan game with official endorsement (Mega Man vs Street Fighter). Sonic Team, as mentioned above, celebrates fan remakes - Christian Whitehead is now a valued Sonic developer.
My only other thought is that the AM2R developer may have weighed in that the quality of his remake would merit a fork wherein all Nintendo IP would be replaced with original graphics and adjustments made to the maps and it be released as a separate 'spiritual' sequel to Metroid 2. This is sort of the story of Freedom Planet which was a fan Sonic game ... and the story of a lot of games that take inspiration.
AM2R is amazing!
I have been a metroid fan since NES and I know enough about the franchise to know I am very lucky Nintendo has given me as much content as it has, considering how badly it sells. I doubt most of the people complaining about Nintendo not making a metroid game are even fans because most metroid fans are aware of how bad the numbers are. Unfortunately it has become a trend to complain about Metroid lately regardless of wether people are fans of the franchise or not. Just like those complaining about a game that has yet to be released or how people complained about Other M (which I enjoyed) with out ever even playing it. I think this fan made game is very good but I still want Nintendo to make my metroid games and I will wait patiently for them as I have in the past. If you look at the numbers Nintendo really shouldn't make another one for us but I have faith they will I just wish people would buy it for a change instead of complaining about it with out even playing it.
Please, do not buy federation force.
The guy who made it should have changed the sprites and made a game 'influenced' by metroid - like that axiom game.
He basically 'stole' nintendos ip and copied one of their games. Same as a person re-creating a film word for word or putting on a performance of a play/musical without the rights - legally not allowed
@Therad Lolz no guy, I'm not thinking of trademark. I'm very specifically telling you right now that I am very specifically thinking of copyright.
That's a nice little site you linked to, but it's not a legal resource and I wouldn't recommend you rely on it if you ever find yourself in a copyright dispute of any kind. It's just some guy's blog, and he even has a disclaimer saying that he's not a lawyer, he's just some random webmaster, and that site is just a giant brochure for his consulting service that he's trying to sell. Maybe stick to verifiable sources, preferably academic institutions/law schools, or even the US Copyright Office's own faq. And if you ever end up in a real copyright dispute, call a real copyright attorney and ignore that site.
@-DEMISE- I know that making money from covering a song isn't allowed as you have to pay royalties to the artist/writer but assumed the the excessive amount of covers on youtube that as long as you aren't making money from it then that's OK. Although I know they can make money via youtube.
Nintendo also took down all the old issues of Nintendo Power that were online. I understand Metroid takedown but old magazines with info they were happy with almost 30 years ago is now going to harm their brand. Anyone who owns those magazines better not put them on eBay for sale as Nintendo may shut you down.
@greengecko007 It's really not that dubious. It's actually a pretty cut-and-dry case. From the United States Copyright Office: "Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work."
Case closed.
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#infringed
@Enigk Even if you're not making money from it, it is a technical violation of a copyright to publicly perform a song without permission from the copyright owner, or to post a remake of it online, or to do anything else with it without permission. I posted this already, but I'll post it again for you: "Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work."
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#infringed
The Nintendo Power case is different from the Metroid remake in a lot of ways, but it probably comes down to the fact that Nintendo still owns the trademark on "Nintendo Power" even if they aren't currently using it. They're probably just proactively "defending" it for possible future use of the trademark. Selling your copy of Nintendo Power magazine is perfectly legal though. It's protected by the same laws that allow companies like Game Stop to exist. I personally wish Nintendo had left that one alone, but maybe they have plans for the magazine/its name that we don't know about yet. It's their call either way though.
@-DEMISE- OK, give me a better source for your claim that you lose your copyright if you do not defend it. Either law texts or cases.
@Armand7 Don't tell me what to do.
@Therad Um, I specifically said in my reply to you that you don't lose your copyright if you don't defend it. I said that if you don't ever defend it, it could potentially "open a can of worms." By that I mean it could lead to you losing income from your copyrighted work because other people are selling it in your stead, or create an environment where people realize that you're not defending your copyright so more and more people start infringing on it in progressively more egregious ways, possibly taking it in directions you don't approve of for the property, and then if you finally do decide to start going after people you end up in a virtual bar fight against a hundred violators of your copyright at one time instead of calmly managing one or two cases at a time over the life of the copyright. These are just a couple of examples.
Okay, here's one. This a very respected university. Read #11. It basically confirms what I just said.
https://sites.lib.byu.edu/copyright/about-copyright/basics/
@LUIGITORNADO We can do without the swearing.
Wow, I'm usually neutral or slanted towards Nintendo on takedowns, but this one hits me in the gonads. Lame move, big N.
Good. Too bad for whoever made it, but they can't let some people do whatever they want, yet sanction others.
It's their games and their characters, and people aren't allowed to do with them whatever they wish, however big a fan they might be.
@MrCafecito Haha, from Nintendo? Yeah right!
@-DEMISE- I was picking on you because you were loud.
You're right. Nintendo has every right to stop this game right now.
Ugh, Nintendo. I hope Federation Force bombs!
Chill, guys, Nintendo did this because they'll release an epic Metroid game to celebrate the franchise's 30th anniversary.
remembers Federation Force
OMFG! WHY!? I seriously hate how Nintendo treats Metroid's franchise...the possibilities of a Metroid on Wii U were huge, changing visors/weapons with the touchscreen, graphic power to do even do some space exploration or something...nah, throw Lego Metroid to the 3DS so fans can stop asking for a Metroid game.
Sometimes I don't understand what the suits at Nintendo think we fans are, or why do they believe releasing a Metroid game WITHOUT SAMUS is even fine. It's like if they released a Zelda game without Link...but anyways..
Hopefully this will remind Nintendo that an ACTUAL NEW METROID GAME is well past due right now, and not a spinoff or ANOTHER interquel. The world didn't need Other M. The world needed Metroid 5. The world still needs Metroid 5, in fact, perhaps as an NX launch title?
FWIW, the cutting into sales of VC Metroid 2 excuse is lame. Anyone who wanted it, already picked it up, be it for Club Nintendo coins or real cash money. The use of assets from the GBA games is a majorer issue.
@YellowFighter Curious that you consider supporting Nintendo's legal rights as trying too hard to defend them. Didn't know they weren't entitled to their property. Tell me--at what point did they grow so large that everybody else was granted access to their property?
@-DEMISE- In that link it talks about copyshops not wanting to get in trouble for copying an old family photograph in case the person who wants it copied isn't the copyright holder. I am now out of this copyright debate. Common sense needs to prevail at some point.
When Nintendo shut something down this popular they need to issue a more tailored response than their usual stock answer. Joe Public hasn't got a clue about this. Only the Nintendo and Metroid fans and this isn't helping Nintendo's image with them and it's them that keep them going when times are tough like past few Wii U years.
Oh hell! I was about to go download it ARGH.... I'm stuck with a demo now
To everone who downloaded it in time, share and keep circulating it! I've been a long time N. fan, but I'm fed up with them.. Let us keep alive such a labor of love as AM2R.
I saw this coming a kilometer away. Sad though that others now can't download it.
i seen this miles away, I've figure they were going take this down, happy to at least download it before they remove it. sucks for the people that where not able to download it after this happens.
It's really sad that things have to be this way. I've watched videos of this game and it's really amazing. I wasn't gonna bother downloading it because I'm not a fan of Metroid but nevertheless, it was really good.
That said, Nintendo does have the rights to do this, they claim this is to protect their IP's but the problem with that is they should base these projects on their quality and not it being their IP's. This game clearly could have done wonders for the Metroid franchise and Nintendo could have even arranged to put it on the eShop and make money off of it but nope, instead they had to be douchebags and do this.
I could understand if the game was horribly made and made Metroid look bad but this clearly was not the game.
Shame on you Nintendo, you are within the laws to do this, but that does not make it any less asinine.
Nintendo also took down the entire "Nintendo Power" collected issues at archived.org . And just like that, two important assets are gone thanks to the Millenium Act. This is why we can't have nice things.
@Devlind Ha! I was waiting for that comment.
Can't we turn off Alex's commentaries?
In a way this is the best of both worlds, the developer got to (mostly) finish his passion project, release it and have people play it. It's out there in the wild and nothing can easily stop that. Nintendo get to show proof that they're protecting their IP. They could have shut it down years ago but they didn't. They let him finish and release it.
@doomgc Calm down kiddo - they aren't going to hire some dumb yahoo for tracing their game with a stencil and colorizing it.
Otherwise every dingdong on the internet would work for Nintendo. And I downloaded it - it ain't perfect - not even close. Samus shoots too fast - and jumps around too fast. Maybe this will give the guy an opportunity to fix the game.
And really - any real Metroid fans downloaded it right away - so it isn't a slap in the face to Metroid fans.
@CreamyDream
No, they did the WRONG thing.
@vitalemrecords Samus shoots too fast.
@DoctorOverbuild If you haven't found it yet, PM me.
@PanurgeJr Maybe because by violating the copyright, that developer did a better job with it than Nintendo does?
Sure, it's against the law, but the demand for that remake was there because Nintendo aren't doing anything interesting with the franchise...
@-DEMISE- One day I'll be gone . . . and you'll miss me.
@RandomBlue Sega in the example I posted does 1000% help my argument.
And, eh, what are you talking about regarding links? Loads of people post links all the time in Nintendo Life's comments section—as do I. @Kirk - we can do without that last bit of unfriendly business, thanks.
Also, you only think Nintendo can do whatever it wants, even when it comes to free fan created stuff, because you are a totally ignorant and blind fanboy who just assumes that Nintendo holds 100% in absolutely everything that can possibly exist around it's IP, which any non-tool knows fine well it's total ignorant junk. Nintendo can project abuse and misuse of its IP, but it has have a case of abuse and misuse in the first place. It couldn't, for example, just go out and tell every single person who's ever made a Mario fan image to remove it from the web just because Nintendo owns the rights to Mario's image. And, you'd know such things if you weren't such a blind fanboy.
I'm not saying it doesn't have any case at all in this particular situation, but I'd certainly be fighting my corner if I were the creator of this fan game, because it's a totally free project that's basically just a fan-made piece of art at the end of the day. It's not trying to profit off of Nintendo's IP.
@Uzuki See, if they went the Sonic Mania route it'd be relatively cheap for them to invest in. Then it doesn't matter that the Metroid series doesn't sell as well, because they'd be getting enough of a ROI to make a profit. Still though, it's not as if Metroid has sold that poorly when they actually put effort into the games.
@shaneoh Again, even if it is happening, it won't be coming anytime soon. Prime 4 is confirmed to come no sooner than 2018, and that's only if they put together a team in 2015.
And no, this isn't an overreaction. It's been 6 years since a main series Metroid game has come out, 9 years since one that the fans actually like, and 12 years since the last 2D Metroid game. That is a downright unacceptable wait for the next main series experience, if we'd have been getting a new main game every 3-5 years they'd be no reason to complain but it's been over a generation since Nintendo actually put effort into a Metroid game. If making an unofficial game is what it takes to get it through Nintendo's thick skulls that there's more demand for a main series Metroid game instead of a garbage spinoff that retains none of the appeal of the series then Nintendo is going to turn away their fans. License the game, get the developer to work on something official, do whatever they need to do to turn this situation into something legal, sure, but when this game the closest thing resembling a quality Metroid in a decade, the copyright law isn't serving its purpose and protecting the IP from being weakened, it's doing the exact opposite. Nintendo is just fanning the flames of this whole controversy.
Hm... Okay. I think the situation is :
Someone created fan version of Metroid and then uploaded, let the other players download and played it. Somehow, Nintendo knew about that and immediately take an action by shut down that illegal creation. Correct me if I wrong.
@huxxny Why can't people understand that in Intellectual property there's the word property. Do I need to remind you communism killed 100 million people?
Also Nintendo was nice enough to let the project being released. If it was Square-Enix or Sega it would have been shut down way before the release.
"Again, even if it is happening, it won't be coming anytime soon."
Right, we're not going to be getting a 2D Zelda any time soon, someone make a fan game so people can chuck a hissy fit when it gets taken down because Nintendo aren't meeting the expectations of an unreasonable and rabid group.
"And no, this isn't an overreaction. It's been 6 years since a main series Metroid game has come out, 9 years since one that the fans actually like, and 12 years since the last 2D Metroid game. That is a downright unacceptable wait for the next main series experience, if we'd have been getting a new main game every 3-5 years they'd be no reason to complain but it's been over a generation since Nintendo actually put effort into a Metroid game."
It's been 17 years since Chrono Cross, 22 years since Streets of Rage 3, so what? I'm sure those franchises have their fair share of feral fans too, but SE and SEGA shut down their fan projects, and were well within their right to. It is unreasonable, I can practically see people foaming at the mouth, you say it's unacceptable when you're only choice IS to accept it, you've got no choice in the matter. The characters, the setting, the story, it all belongs to Nintendo, no one else has a stake in it, they get to choose what is done with it. If they choose to never make another Metroid game again, that's their prerogative, there's jack anyone can do about it. Just because land is unoccupied for a length of time, doesn't give me the right to go and lay claim to it.
"but when this game the closest thing resembling a quality Metroid in a decade, the copyright law isn't serving its purpose and protecting the IP from being weakened, it's doing the exact opposite."
Copyright law isn't about protecting a piece of work from being "weakened," it's to prevent people from utilising other people's work. Seriously, you rant like you've been wronged.
Of course! I hope you guys downloaded it, like I did. Its awesome, hopefully it gets spread all over the internet.
For the people who missed it: At least Federation Farce is coming. Its better then nothing (sarcasm).
But seriously, Federation Force doesn't look that bad. Its just that it doesn't hold a candle to the proper Metroids from the looks of it. And the graphics are just VERY bad!
"Nintendo also took down the entire "Nintendo Power" collected issues at archived.org"
Lol, my predition came true! Nintendo are a bunch of...(fill in some nasty words here)!
Really it's not surprising in the least, these fan-devs should/could have reached out to Nintendo and had the discussion to make their little pet-project a legit Nintendo game for WiiU or 3DS or something, everyone wins that way, Nintendo, fan-devs and fans. It's a shame they didn't, because now everyone loses. An unofficial fan-made remake is just screaming "please issue me with a C&D order", and that's a real shame.
Why do you think ex-devs are making spiritual successors to their past games? (e.g. Bloodstained, Yooka Laylee, MN9) Simple, because they can't touch original IPs without the owners permission, why would a no-name fan-dev be treated any differently?
A fun headline would have been "Nintendo issues takedown notices for Metroid fan remake, actual new Metroid games nowhere to be seen".
(No, this is not a jab at Federation Force by any means)
Why the guy couldn't develop something inspired by Metroid, but not remake Metroid II?
And to everyone saying this proves there is demand for Metroid, remeber that nowadays it is only a B-seller, Kirby or Fire Emblem sell better than it! If anything, all this proves there's demand for a free to play Metroid - maybe they can move it to mobile?
@Luna_110 Hell, Splatoon sold better than each of the Metroid Prime games despite being on a console with a smaller install base than either of them.
So did Nintendo send their royal guards to their website and yell, "Stop right there, criminal scum!" ?
"The unapproved use of Nintendo's intellectual property can weaken our ability to protect and preserve it, or to possibly use it for new projects."
What are you doing with Metroid though? It's been 6 years since we got a real Metroid game. 9 if you skipped out on Other M due to how bad it is.
To add on top of that, you don't care about Metroid enough to do anything about its 30th anniversary. You can't go around acting all high and mighty about Metroid, when you don't do anything with it.
I should expect this, but its funny how Nintendo claims to be doing something with Metroid, but all you've done is give us a lame spin-off, that a good chuck of the fanbase dislikes. Did you celebrate its 30th anniversary? No. How about give us a new game that isn't a lame spin-off? Didn't do that either.
Get off your high horse Nintendo. You aren't doing anything with Metroid. Stop pretending you are.
@-DEMISE- Ah, okay. Guess I misread you there, then. Water under the bridge...
Also agreed on Nintendo's position. Guess they created their very own "tough act to follow" back in the day, and now everybody calls them out on it if they make even the slightest of mistakes...
Mind you, they certainly have made some bad ones, but I certainly do agree with you that for some reason, people are less forgiving towards Nintendo than towards the other two. Oh, well...
Another year goes by, another Nintendo fan made game got the boot. Now a true Metroid II remake will never see the light of days. Though I don't count fan-made project as legit, I do respect those folks for trying.
I really want to play metroid 2, but the GB version is so old and outdated, it really needs the update so unless nintendo is planning on doing their own for the anniversary, which to me it's pretty obvious based off what they thought we wanted with federation force that they have no clue what the fans want with this franchise. That game may end up being good, but i have no plans to play it i don't like the looks of it and i'm looking for a real metroid game. I will still buy nintendo stuff, but i will speak with my wallet when it comes to Metroid and not be buying what they think is the game we never realized we wanted.
@mariovslink62 There's a thing call ownership man, what matter if Nintendo does anything with the Metroid IP, it's still their IP they can put it on dormant and it will still be forbidden to be touch. You want to use their IP, you go work for them instead or you make your own game. Like I always said, fans never learn, we all know you guys got talent in developing games but for Pete's make it original without infringing on other properties.
@retro_player_22 I understand that Nintendo has the the right to do this. My issue is not with that.
It's the fact Nintendo is acting like they care about Metroid.
If you're giving away someone's game for free you bet they're going to take it down. Especially when they are still selling it via Virtual Console.
@mariovslink62 Well they do care enough to make another game, it's just not a game we expected.
@IceClimbers were those channels 8 years in the making
@DoctorOverbuild Do you have a Google Drive account? If you don't have any luck, I could throw it in there for you.
@-DEMISE- Which means Nintendo could have authorized it, right? What I'm not sure of, is how that works into laws of other countries, simply because I haven't looked up the logistics of it. There's also the matter of the precedent that may be set by officially authorizing this remake. It'd be great for Nintendo and fans short term, but it could also encourage more projects, maybe some with less pure intentions. Pretty sure you alluded to that earlier.
So yeah, sticky situation.
@doomgc yup
did you play the original - you can only have like 3 or 4 shots on the screen at the same time
In the remade game you can fire off a bunch super fast
and in the original - the jumping is way waaaaaay slower.
If it were redone correctly - that would be awesome.
But it is pretty good.
Nintendo owns the intellectual property rights to Metroid and when they kill a franchise, u can't just go and resurrect is all of a sudden.
Please understand.
@Kirk Was that an argument? I guess by that logic you are a soured disappointed nintendo hating crying fanboy as evident from your first post.
Like it or not, Nintendo has all rights to do whatever they want with their series. And they couldn't do anything on fanart? Not to long ago Nintendo copyrighted images on tumblr because they disliked the inappropriate depictions of their characters.
I guess he can fight it all he wants but its not going to do him much. I don't see nintendo suddenly changing their minds.
Oh and saying that Nintendo is in the right (which they are) doesn't mean you agree with their every decision. That's just silly logic.
Oh and no, i don't play only nintendo nor do i agree with everything they do as a business. I have a vita and ps4 as well not that it should matter. Name-calling people for any reason is sad and shows the other person's intelligence. It doesn't do anything to help your argument. There's no reason to get heated by someone having an opinion. Although, you were pretty upset from looking at your first comment i imagine. My comment as Sega was more of a jab at them as a company; try learning from their mistakes and not using them as a model on what how to do right things. My advice, stay off the internet.
Nintendo should just work with this guy to publish the game.
Glad I downloaded it. I've been following this project since day one.
Glad I downloaded it too. Nintendo should be making deals with this person for their dedication and for giving us something during Metroid's 30th anniversary.
Just ridiculous. Should've been front and center on the eshop for both WiiU and 3DS.
@RandomBlue This is what I'm hearing "Blah blah blah."
@Kirk The community guidelines state you need to be at least 13 to have an account. For your sake, i hope you are not older than that.
Takedown notices cant have done the trick!.... downloading it just now!!! Wouldnt've had a clue about it it NLife hadnt "advertised" its existence!! This is a case where once its out,, it cant be un-out!!! People prob sharing it all over the place! Wonder why Ninty bothered!!
I would look at their waiting until now a different way:
#1: It wouldn't have made sense to order him to stop when all he was doing was developing the remake. To my knowledge, there's nothing illegal about a private individual doing something like that for private use. So it only makes sense to have to do this when the thing is actually being distributed.
#2: By waiting until now, they've allowed the game to get out and become available to many, many people. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you'll continue to be able to find it. If they had canned it earlier, it never would've seen the light of day.
Try not to judge Nintendo so harshly. It seems like to me their decision has allowed for an everybody-wins scenario because 1) the dude finished his project, 2) Nintendo get to protect their IP, and 3) the game was actually out there and people got to experience it.
Everyone should go read today's blog post from the creator of AM2R: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-future-of-am2r.html
Can we have one cooling off ban on standby for @Kirk please.
@huxxny Yeah, real nice that they waited until the game was actually done before responding. Kinda some ass hattery afoot.
@gcunit Get lost. I censored every single bad word in that comment. So, the reality here is that it's a perfectly controlled comment. It doesn't require some kind of "cooling off" ban; that's just absurd and oppressive. I have now reported your for basically threatening me by posting a comment that is overtly intended to intimidate me into not speaking/posting other than in exactly the way you want to hear. Bans should not be used for unpleasant attitudes in a comment; they should be used for things like swearing, threatening, spamming, trolling, etc.
@Bolt_Strike But it's not as simple as yelling "This guy made a great game! Hire him!". If getting into the corporate life was that easy then the movie, book, and music industry would be flooding with fan products and everyone could get their shot. There are many problems that then present themselves: Which fan project do we pick? Where do these products come from? Who's making them? Is this something/someone we want associated with our brand? Is the product up to our quality? Does it fit in to our established lore of the IP? How much money would this person ask? Who's going to pay him? Who's going to cover the cost for Q&A, Marketing, and Licensing? Combine that with it they just published fan project after fan project then the market becomes flooded, even if all the products are of a high quality, and the brand can lose it's power.
Of course you need to bring these criminals that unlawfully use your intellectual property down with the mighty maul of justice. Not like you can get the actual metroid 2 from a 101 places or anything.
I second what @gcunit has said. Can we please get a ban for @Kirk? If you're going to act like a bratty and unruly child, you get treated like one. Go sit in the corner @Kirk and think about how childish and immature you're acting. Or learn some anger management, cause that would help with your outbursts in regards to anybody who talks back to you.
@Kirk I'll never let go, Kirk!
@Enigk We'll see what Joe the Metroid fan thinks about this when (or if) a new (real) Metroid game comes out. If it sells as well as any other Metroid game, then I think that should count as evidence that no one REALLY cares, they just like having something to complain about.
@Traskin7 There are plenty of "loud" people in this thread. They just happen to be on the other side of the debate.
@greengecko007 Sure, Nintendo COULD have authorized it, but clearly they didn't. And for good reason. As nice as this remake was, if Nintendo actually wanted a remake of Metroid 2, I guarantee you they could do an immensely better job.
@gcunit Is that a flaming post or are you really wanting peace? I think @Kirk could have expressed himself in a better way here. However, if you are that worried about users' behaviour, why don't you react when some users insult, hate and do some aggressive flaming, too? I only see you reacting to people that are a bit more critical towards Nintendo or yourself or just defending themselves but not to the people that are outright offensive and disrespectful, like when I told somebody to stop insulting me in a very well-mannered way and you came and put us in the same bag when all I did was tell him to stop. It's not the same thing.
Back on topic, I think this is alright if it's non-profit, why Nintendo wants us to make levels on Super Mario Maker, drawings of Mario and Metroid on Art Academy but they don't want to see any fan development effort? I can understand their fears about some people playing fans' remakes and not buying Metroid 2 NES for the fourteenth time... really? What I don't like it's the way Nintendo deals with these things, but that's just my opinion, anyway.
@-DEMISE- Well, I don't know about that. It's not like Nintendo is big enough to work on every project that sounds like a good idea at once. There has also been several half hearted attempts at remasters and remakes from them this generation that I just couldn't get behind.
My first Metroid game was Metroid Prime. Then I played Prime 2 and Prime 3 and I loved the three of them, Prime 2 is probably my favourite. Then I played Metroid Fusion and Super Metroid, they are fine but I can't play Metroid or Metroid 2. Without a map I'm clueless, so I would probably try remakes if they have a proper map. I believe the only NES games I like are the Super Mario Bros. games (and not on Wii/Wii U where they look so bad but on 3DS where they look much better). The worst Metroid is Other M, yep. It's a mess with beautiful cut-scenes.
@-DEMISE- And you don't have to. Keep up the good fight. lol
@greengecko007 I can't tell if you're joking or not. First off all, it's important to note that I specifically used the term "if they wanted to". Having said that, do you honestly not think that Nintendo could produce a better remake of a Game Boy game than some random guy using Game Maker Studio in his spare time? I mean I know people are really fawning over this little project, but it is not a technically impressive game from a production or programming standpoint.
And what "half-hearted" remakes are you referring to?
@Kirk No, I mean I'll never let go of you, even after you're gone.
@Kirk Good to see you alive!
@Syrek I've reported you too, for suggesting banning me when I have not broken any of the community rules. It is quite literally suggesting oppressive behaviour and mob-mentality group thinking in a supposedly open community where people should feel free to talk and express themselves and defend their views, sometimes even passionately and/or vigorously. If you don't like what I say then don't read my comments; that's how it should work at least. And, unless I'm breaking the rules, which I'm not as far as I'm aware, you don't try to remove me from the discussion just because you don't like the cut of my jib—that, to me, is far more indicative of something insidious and seriously wrong in a comments section, or the kind of thinking and behaviour by certain people in the comments section, than some guy making some heated comments but still comments that are absolutely controlled and thoughtfully censored to make sure they don't contain any swear words or whatever. It's like you can't even tell the difference between someone going off on an uncontrolled violent rant and someone who's raging where they're sitting but has clearly composed their comment to literally censor most of that rage and only convey the general sentiment that they're not happy about something someone said. And it's pretty sad when people can't tell that difference, because that's what's slowly leading to a sinister kind of oppression of thought and expression throughout the Internet—be nice, or you get excluded from this society—and it's close to Orwellian in practice.
@VanillaLake I'm alway . . . around:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Maq10NIWKo
@GraveLordXD lol okay. Please explain something to me, because every time I ask this question, I get zero response from people. How is taking an old game that Nintendo made and remaking it in a format that like a twelve year old child could learn somehow "better" than even the worst Metroid game that Nintendo has ever made? And don't use Federation Force as evidence. It's not out, so you can't speak to its quality.
@Kirk Censoring doesn't work on here...
@Joeynator3000 In what sense do you mean?
It's not like if I type **** it comes up as actually meaning anything other than ****, and you have to choose your own word to insert there.
I could be saying book for all you know, or I could be saying ****.
It's just, literally, four asterisks.
@-DEMISE- The internet was invented for people to complain and get upset about stuff, particularly that which they have no real interest in and are just jumping on the bandwagon.
I have my copy of Federation Force on pre-order despite it not looking great, otherwise we may never get another entry if that ends up dead on arrival. I'll put my money where my mouth is as they say.
@Kirk Because we all know it's swearing, and what's the point of censoring the word "book"....quit arguing...
@Joeynator3000 You're supposed to know it's implied swearing. There isn't, or at least there should not be, some kind of oppressive ban on people now posting not actually swear words too. Is that really how controlled, Orwellian, and pathetic you want the open Internet to be? Even on a video game site, I think posting completely censored bad words should be acceptable. Otherwise, what you're actually saying is you can't even imply bad thoughts now. Because, let's face it, most bad thoughts on most normal human beings minds have bad words attached to them, and not being allowed to even suggest that is just—it's seriously too unbelievable to think about.
It's like if I tell Nintendo to go shove a stick up its when it makes some douche move—that's just some dude saying it like it is, BUT intentionally censoring his swear words to there is no actual swearing taking place.
You know, like when South Park beeps swear words. In your Orwellian world, the show and its creators would be in jail or something.
@Kirk ...Enjoy your vacation.
@-DEMISE- I just mean that they could want to remake Metroid 2, but can't due to working on other projects. I don't feel that the Zelda games on 3DS or Wii U were particularly well remastered games, and despite enjoying Alpha Sapphire, I felt it far below the quality of previous remakes. This fan remake to me seems just as well crafted and thoughtfully made as some of the good software Nintendo has published.
@greengecko007 Agreed. I don't see any special effort in Nintendo's remakes/remasters, specially when compared to what other companies do. I bought Twilight Princess HD because it's one of my favourite games ever, but it's not a great effort, honestly. Nintendo paid something to somebody to do it. Nintendo did not paid nor gave enough time for something better. As for The Wind Waker HD, which I also got, is an even worse remaster and was made by Nintendo.
The Virtual Console on Wii and Wii U is another example of very poor efforts made by Nintendo where games are looking the same or even worse than they did originally. There you have Microsoft with remasters of old games (Rare Replay) for €1 each, or even Sony and their PS2 downloads (1080p with trophy support). Nintendo has much to learn in that sense.
@GraveLordXD So using Game Maker studio to remake an old Nintendo game is "better" than Nintendo taking the time to make original games in the series? You seem really smart. I guess someone should tell Nintendo that they can stop wasting money on new games. All they need is a couple of amateur hobby programmers and some free game design software to start churning out remakes of all their old games. Oh, except that won't work, because people supposedly only like old Nintendo games when they're free, and Nintendo can't continue to exist if they don't sell games for actual money.
@greengecko007 "This fan remake to me seems just as well crafted and thoughtfully made as some of the good software Nintendo has published."
It's not. Sorry to burst your bubble. You could learn to use the engine this project is built with in a couple of weeks, assuming you don't have some kind of learning disability. It looks well-made because it's a remake of a game that was already good to begin with.
@KoiTenchi I may be way off here, but isn't it trademark that is use or lose and not copyright?
@VanillaLake @greengecko007 Wind Waker HD is one of the best remakes of the entire generation. Even the vaunted Digital Foundry agrees with that take. They also had a lot of positives for Twilight Princess HD, like this nice little summary: "On the whole, Zelda: Twilight Princess HD does everything we had hoped for in this remaster, and though there will always be some lasting 'wants', the turnout is strong enough to make a return to this game all the more compelling." I'll take that assessment, from people that actually know what they're talking about, over yours.
And the 3DS Zelda Remakes were both excellent by any benchmark, as was Star Fox 64 3D. I haven't played the Pokemon remakes, so I can't speak to those. But in general, if you're complaining about the quality of Nintendo's remakes, then you're overlooking the obvious in favor of your dedication to complaining.
@GraveLordXD I have been playing the original on my Game Boy probably twice a year on average since the day I got it back in 1992. I haven't played this "remake" all the way through, but I have played it, and I have seen enough of it to know that, as good as it is, I'll take pretty much any new game from Nintendo over an amateur's retreading of a game that Nintendo themselves made 25 years ago. People love this "remake" because it's A) free, and B) it gives them a chance to complain about Nintendo. If Nintendo made an official remake of Metroid 2, I guarantee you people would be complaining. "It's not good enough! Why'd they change the aspect ratio?? Why are they charging $40 for a game that I can get for free on the internet??" Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
EDIT: People being upset over a game that they haven't played and for which no reviews even exist just proves that there are a lot of very toxic people in the gaming community. I mean is that something you're actually proud of? Because you shouldn't be. And really? People are upset that a FREE GAME was made unavailable by the people who own the rights to that game? GASP! I'm utterly shocked. I can't believe that would actually upset anyone! OMG like wtf lol
@-DEMISE- I don't see how the engine being easy to use is relevant, and I don't care that the people at digital foundry have low expectations for remastered games. Wind Waker HD has major frame rate issues in parts of the game, little to no new content, and marginally improved graphics. Even for people that haven't played the game, I wouldn't recommend it at the $50 MSRP it launched with. It's about on the same level as Tearaway Unfolded for the PS4 in terms of what was done, and I got that game for $10.
@-DEMISE- Even gamexplain does not like it and they are a nintendo channel.
@VanillaLake Just catching up on events as I've been out this evening.
My post was intended as a gentle warning to @Kirk because his post that I felt worthy of deleting was disrespectful and offensive towards another user. Go check the Community Rules and see if that's acceptable here.
Regardless whether certain words were fully censored or not, the sentiment was wholly disrespectful and that type of post has no place here. To go to the lengths he did to aggravate another user most definitely warranted intervention.
I don't recall the exact circumstances of your example you cite off the top of my head, but I think it was a case of an unnecessary spat between you and someone else. Once a spat starts ping-ponging it degrades the on-topic discussion for everyone else while not achieving anything positive. But I don't think any two cases can be compared as simply as you seem to be doing anyway.
The odd insulting comment can be dealt with by editing and a word in the ear of the user, but Kirk's post was a full blown offensive rant, and deserved a warning.
His reaction to my gentle warning seemed to demonstrate that indeed a cooling off period was appropriate. If he genuinely thinks the Community Rules only consist of "Don't print any swear words" then he has some reading to do.
Does anyone here actually want a comments section where people aren't expected to be civil and respectful of each other?
@-DEMISE- Oh please, Metroid II wasn't "good to begin with", it wasn't as detailed and alive as AM2R is. It didn't have the detailed level themes with interesting level gimmicks, just generic temples. They didn't have the boss battles, just endless Metroid fights. There was no real plot or lore. There's even a new area and a sidequest added. This remake is much, much more than just a recycled GBA engine, and Metroid II needed these kinds of improvements.
Thanks to everyone who offered to help. I've successfully got it!
They are in their rights to take actions. It's annoying though considering how much effort was put into this project and how little love Nintendo is showing towards the Metroid franchise.
I've read a couple of comments on the line of "I prefer Nintendo games to fan made projects" and "a game based on a Nintendo game cannot be better than the original". To the first I say: that's great and stuff, but Nintendo is showing no sign of doing anything with the franchise other than Federation Force (eh). To the second: go play the original Metroid 2 and then play Another Metroid Remake. If you still insist on claiming that the original Metroid 2 is better than this fanmade remake than I don't even know what to say to you anymore. The original is a mess. While the remake included everything good about the orginal while implementing everything good about the newer 2D Metroid games. This was a much needed remake, even moreso than all the wishes for an HD Prime Trilogy.
I for one am glad to have downloaded the full release. I had followed this project for quite some time now and it turned out amazing.
@Bolt_Strike Metroid 2 wasn't good to begin with? Are you on drugs, or are you currently not taking some drugs that you're supposed to be on? Also, I never said it was made with a "recycled GBA engine" so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
@greengecko007 Literally none of what you're saying is true, but okay. And no, Digital Foundry don't have low standards, they just know enough about video game production to be able to tell the difference between a legitimate, professional-grade remake, and one that is nice but not legitimately impressive by any technical measure.
@goonow Gamexplain doesn't like what? Also, what is a "Nintendo channel"?
@MajinSoul I know you're referring to me, so you might as well just reply directly to me. I never said the original Metroid 2 was "better than this remake", I said that a fan remake of Metroid 2 is not better than the ACTUAL Metroid games that Nintendo has put out between Metroid 2's release and now, which includes Prime Trilogy, and even Other M. There's just no comparison between the two, and anyone who actually believes that overhauling someone else's game and tacking on a little new content is actually BETTER than a wholly original game doesn't have respect for game design, or the process of creating new games.
So glad I grabbed this when it was posted. Love playing AM2R.
Amazing work and joy for us meteoroid fans <3 ..that said, Nintendo's decision is understandable!
There are still working links floating around, so anyone who wants this should get it before Nintendo takes those down as well.
@-DEMISE- The original game really repetitive and didn't have a lot of depth or exploration. You mainly just keep going down until you hit lava, go into the areas looking for powerups and Metroids, and then rinse and repeat. There's little to explore or discover like you would expect out of a Metroid game.
@GraveLordXD Other M wasn't spectacular, but it certainly wasn't as bad as some of the basement-dwelling funyon addicts of the Metroid community like to say it was. It was a good game, it just didn't adhere to the apparently unbending rules of the genre that the more vocal fans hold fast to. And if you're talking about the door glitch, it's pretty damn easy to avoid. It's not like it occurs at random. And it's not like previous Metroid games don't have glitches.
Anyway, I'm not here to defend Nintendo to the death, I'm here to defend common sense and personal restraint, two things that the gaming community is sorely in need of, which this non-event has made painfully obvious. Just get a grip and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled children. It gets old so fast.
I tried to download this the first day it was live, but the net was swamped and none of the download links were working. Now it looks like it's too late...
@Bolt_Strike Oh really? Sounds like you played a different game.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/faqs/28694
Keep in mind that the original Metroid 2 was a Game Boy game, so what it was able to accomplish with such a shockingly diminutive amount of actual data is worth a lot more credit than you're giving it, in my opinion.
@GraveLordXD Yeah, you said that already. I get the feeling that you're mostly just grumpy about the Wii's use of waggling in that game. I get it though, it's kind of in vogue right now to crap on motion controls.
@-DEMISE- Someone doesn't understand the concept of a game aging. What might have been impressive in the year 1991 isn't necessarily impressive in the year 2016. And that's why remakes exist.
@-DEMISE- Wind Waker HD isn't a remake. It's a re-release with touched up visuals. That's a remastering. Semantics, but I felt it necessary since you're talking about "professional grade remakes". You're smart, so let's be real about his nonsensical that sounds. All professional means is that they got paid for it. That's their job. It doesn't increase the quality of their work, and Wind Waker HD is pretty meh in my opinion when factoring in how much the game was improved versus the cost of buying it. The lack of new content is understandable, because it's not a remake, but if they're going to charge $50, I would expect more than just more lighting effects (which work to varying degrees of success... Claymation Link in some parts of the game) and a native HD resolution as the improvements to the graphics (plus other minor things like more clouds). Other remastered games have done more, for less asking price, and that is a fact.
I don't what is going on...I'm too busy playing the Metroid inspired. Axiom Verge on my PC that was released last year and is coming this year on Wii U. I cannot wait for Bloodstained too. Ori and the Blind Forest is another good one that was updated for XBox and PC players. Never mind AM2R. If Nintendo does not wish to deliver what the Metroid fans want, there is plenty of alternatives...though, unfortunately there isn't much for Nintendo fans exclusively. You could always go back and play Guacamelee and Teslagrad I suppose.
http://metroid2remake.blogspot.ca/2016/08/the-future-of-am2r.html
The future of AM2R
As you may know already, AM2R received DMCA notices in all the download hosts, and some parts of this blog. So far, no C&D letter was received.*
This project began a long time ago, while I was actually trying to learn the programming side of Game Maker. Instead of moving on with something else, when I learned a better way of doing something, I reiterated and improved the old code.
Eventually, I learned to program in C#. Now I'm making a living as a professional programmer thanks to what I learned developing a fan game.*
Technically speaking, I'm satisfied.
Artists started offering help. First with the main enemies, then with sprites, enemies, bosses.
The forums started to come alive with fans making feature suggestions, and always being positive and optimistic about the project. I added new contents, trying to be respectful about the established lore. Demo after demo people liked the game. Then the game was out, and for a brief time, players enjoyed the game they were expecting for a long time.
Artistically speaking, I'm satisfied.
What about the future?*
I'll continue improving and fixing AM2R privately.
How will updates will be released, if at all?
I'm still working on it.
My priority now is to fix the invisible gravity suit bug that's hindering many player's experience. If you experience that bug, please visit the*forum, and I'll eventually provide a fix.
Please, don't hate Nintendo for all of this. It's their legal obligation to protect their IP.
Instead of sending hate mail, get the original M2 from the eShop. Show them that 2D adventure platformers are still a thing people want.
I agree with DEMISE re: the copyright issues. No one should feel 'sad.' It comes as NO surprise this got taken down as soon as it did.
Having said that, this is probably a great resume or portfolio for the fan who created AM2R to get some publicity or recognition and he could probably get a job for a game company developing retro 16 bit games. And in the end, he CREATED something; he is an artist and no one can ever take that away from him.
These programmers did in their free time what Nintendo could not do for retail? We really need a proper remake of Metroid II. It is a shame Nintendo has not done this already. How long ago did they do Metroid Zero Mission? That game was AWESOME. Come on Nintendo. Obviously the interest is out there for Metroid II.
The game is already done and there is some serious talent on display here. Not a time to be proud. Nintendo should be flattered. In the very least Nintendo should reach out to this guy, offer some input and officially release the game in the e-shop. Didn't Capcom do something similar with Mega Man X Street Fighter?
I'm glad I downloaded it as soon as I could.
It sucks to see it taken down, but it was probably necessary. I'd almost take it that Nintendo waited for the complete release (unless they really didn't know about this largely noted and longtime project when they're able to take down the most obscure Youtube videos) before they took it down. Do I think that they should have worked out a way to get this into the eShop? Absolutely. And the potential remains for something to happen. The classic kneejerk reaction is to curse Nintendo, but the takedown just makes it slightly harder to get a copy. It's out and it's not going to vanish just because the main download link got taken down. The best we can do is support AM2R. We can play it, stream it, make videos on it, talk about it on various forums, tweet about it, and everything else to show where there is demand in our community. Let's make it completely overshadow Federation Force once it comes out. If Nintendo then chooses to follow Fed Force with Metroid: Zebesian Amibo Tea Party, then we know they don't have any idea what they're doing and can burn down every Nintendo headquarters and slaughter the employees like the dumb pigs they're proven they are, all without a hint of guilt. (And for anyone who can't figure it out, the prior sentence is purely hyperbole.)
It makes sense that they took it down. Copyright laws and all. Both sides of that argument have been made in this comment thread already. I don't have anything to add regarding whether Nintendo was justified in taking the game down.
But it is a bit... tactless to take it down right at the 30th anniversary. The fanbase seems to be a bit annoyed already, if I'm reading between the lines correctly. And it is the 30th anniversary of the franchise. Is this the week to come down with an iron fist on somebody celebrating the franchise, even it it's illegal? Seems like the better thing to do would have been to wait a few weeks.
@-DEMISE- I've never commented on this site but I feel I had to here just to give you credit for your comments. I read the majority of them and it seems you're the only one here with a morsel of common sense or understanding of the real world. I can understand passions being high about this but that's as far as I go... The takedown was expected, deserved and completely understandable
Honestly think the way these fan-dev/s handled AM2R was a mistake, it should never of happened, should never have been made as an unofficial fan-made remake on PC for free.
Sure it sounds nice, you simply can't do that with an original IP without permission and, as we can see, without consequences, doesn't matter how "passionate" a fan they claim to be. And now because of this, this guy/s has potentially cost Nintendo millions, soiled Nintendo's name, having them come off as the "bad guys" in all this (this site among others only adding fuel to the fire), resulting in disappointed and pissed off fans. So no, I can't see Nintendo wanting to hire or do a deal now with anyone involved in this project, like so many like saying they should.
Couldn't they have taken this to Nintendo for an official release on a Nintendo console, where it should be?
The game looks fantastic, truly a labor of love and a game that deserves praise for the obvious hard work put into this pet-project and a game worthy of Metroid's 30th, but then they go screw it all up causing nothing but damage in the end. I do hope an official Metroid 2 remake happens one day, but all that's left now is anger and disappointment. Good work guys, everyone loses this time, smh.
@-DEMISE- ". But in general, if you're complaining about the quality of Nintendo's remakes, then you're overlooking the obvious in favor of your dedication to complaining".
Why is my opinion a dedication to complaining? I am only talking about remasters I have bought and played, why can't I say my opinion about them? The Wind Waker HD is not a great remaster, it even has the same slowdowns and very mild visual enhancements compared to the original. I read those articles about Wind Waker HD before getting it because I was curious, there are a few things that look better but definitely it's not like Resident Evil Remake or Skyrim Remaster, to give you two examples. The Wind Waker HD is a very lazy remaster done by Nintendo that retailed full price. It's not fair accusing people that expected something more like you're doing, so please don't accuse me of being what I am not and don't tell me to read when I have the games. I bought them, I played them. As for Twilight Princess, there are many textures that are new but the lighting is the same. I won't complain much about Twilight Princess because it's one of my favourite games, but the remaster is less than what other companies do. Tantulus' effort is bigger than Nintendo's, though, since Twilight Princess HD has more realistic visuals and reworked textures while The Wind Waker has some improvements regarding lighting but the textures are pretty the same. Don't tell me to read when I have the games on my TV and I can see them and play them.
It's a sad thing when the fan made Metroid game that Nintendo shuts down ends up being a vastly more liked and well respected game than their own upcoming Metroid release.
@gcunit
My reflection about this...
· Forum rule: "Do not flame others".
This is what you don't see sometimes depending on the person. This is what I never do.
· Forum rule: "While we do allow members to debate and voice their own opinions, there will be a limit to how far a heated debate can go before it is closed by staff".
This is what I do, to voice my opinion, and I'm fine. Some people who don't agree with me flame me, hate me and insult me. That is not allowed and you should stop it.
· Forum rule: "please be constructive in your response"
That is what I do when I don't agree with someone.
I already said that @Kirk could have expressed himself better yesterday. No matter what I do you don't seem to approve my words. I reported a person who insulted me as you recently asked me to do, but even so doesn't seem to satisfy you (the other message you sent me).
I am a peaceful person and I don't expect that we all agree, there are things that I like and things that I don't like about Nintendo and Nintendo Life, my problem is that I don't agree with everything that Nintendo does and some people here would kill/die because of that... At the end of the day, this is not so important, they are companies and we are customers (for you it is business), but some people make it look like this is war and we are warriors and, if I say something against Nintendo, I'm a traitor.
Hopefully Nintendo are issuing a take-down notice, then hiring the team behind AM2R and then having them release an official Metroid 2 remake. After that the same team can start work on a new 2D Metroid game!
Am I being too optimistic?
@VanillaLake I'm not telling you to "read", I'm telling you that your opinion is wrong.
@MajorasLapdog Thank you. I normally don't have this much to say, but as someone who's had his work stolen by freaking pirates and scammers, I am always just baffled that there are so many people that seem to be okay with the notion of ripping off the work of others. Most of these people would be singing a different tune if it happened to them.
@Bolt_Strike Aging? Game? What are these strange and foreign words of which I have never heard? Me so stupid.
@GraveLordXD That's fair and not at all unreasonable. I personally hope Nintendo has something in the works for the series, preferably on NX. I have a feeling that's what Retro's working on, but I guess we'll have to see.
@-DEMISE- You've been the voice of reason in this thread. Salute.
@greengecko007 Correct, I am smart. But I'm not so sure if you are, since you seem to think there's any appreciable difference in the way the terms "remaster" and "remake" are used in the context of video games.
http://kotaku.com/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd-the-kotaku-revi-1338127771
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/23/zelda-wind-waker-getting-wii-u-remake
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_legend_of_zelda_the_wind_waker_hd/b/wii_u/archive/2013/09/18/wind-waker-hd-review.aspx
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/22/the-legend-of-zelda-wind-waker-hd-offers-a-definitive-experience
http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/9/4710760/wind-waker-hd-and-the-pursuit-of-perfection
Click on any one of those, and if you're on a pc, hit ctrl+F and type in "remake". Since apparently that's an important part of this discussion to you.
Bad form on Nintendo Life for making Nintendo out to be the bad guys in this situation. This guy was infringing on their IP, plain and simple. They have the legal right as well duty to have it taken down.
If the guy is so creative and has such a passion for making games, have him create a new IP. Right now, he's just a talented thief.
@-DEMISE- I can just as easily link to internet articles in which people misuse the word "literally". Video game journalists are hardly worried about accurate diction. Remastering something and remaking something are two different processes. With video games lately, you could argue that recent releases blur those lines I suppose, but I think you'd be hard pressed to call games like Wind Waker HD a remake, rather than a remaster, due to how little the game was changed in areas not related to visuals. Even its title gives credence to this. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire has a title that indicates it is a remade game, rather than Pokemon Sapphire 3D.
But as I said earlier, it's semantics, and not really that big of a deal in current context, unless you actually want the conversation to take this direction... What were we actually talking about earlier?
Yeah, I haven't been impressed with Nintendo's own remakes and remastered games lately. That doesn't mean they're bad though. And I certainly can appreciate a fan doing a good job with Metroid 2. It's understandable why Nintendo sent the C&D and they obviously have the right to do so, but I wonder if it was really the best thing to do, from the perspective of fans and for the company itself.
@greengecko007 Remakes like Wind Waker are objectively NOT bad. They're just not. No one thinks that except for you and a couple other trolls that are apparently just addicted to being contrary to the general consensus.
@-DEMISE- Maybe you didn't see the rest of my comment. I had to edit it because 2.5 seconds after replying I realized I wanted to really give you a novel of text. But in that comment, I specifically said I don't think that Nintendo's efforts have been bad. But really, you can't say they are objectively not bad. That's completely opinionated, no matter how many websites you link to praising the game. I'd even argue that most of the praise comes from those being good games on their own, rather than the actual changes the the game. For some, the asking price could be justified simply by being able to play some great Nintendo classics on Nintendo's latest system.
I'd also appreciate it if you don't try to make negative assumptions about me. My personal opinion being that some things Nintendo have done lately are not praiseworthy does not make me a troll.
@-DEMISE- "Remakes like Wind Waker are objectively NOT bad. "
Yeah okay, if that's the way you're playing this there's nothing more to discuss with you. You clearly don't know the difference between fact and opinion.
@-DEMISE- Nope, yours is wrong - and biased.
wow guys... you're still at it?! ô.Ô like ok, Nintendo had to DMCA the project, fortunatly its wasn,t a C&D, and they actually let them finish and release a complete version before taking action... its sad that they didn't embraced the project instead and try to distributed it via the eshop, but what is there still to say after like 2 days of debate??!! haha ;D
@Bolt_Strike I love when people say that. Like, do you actually think that I don't know the difference between fact and opinion? Because if you really believe that, then you're very funny. And if you don't and you're just saying to be snide (which is obviously what you're doing), then you realize that statement has no impact, right? Because clearly anyone over the age of, I don't know, like five understands the difference between those two things, so it doesn't really hurt anyone's feelings to be told that they suffer from a condition that is practically impossible.
But here, let me clarify for you: your opinions on the matter of remakes like Wind Waker HD fall far outside the general consensus, to the point that if this conversation were based on statistics, your opinion would be thrown out as an extremely isolated, statistically insignificant outlier. Because of that, I am disregarding your opinion. You can think whatever you want about anything that you want, but in this particular instance, what you think is unique enough that I consider it to be irrelevant.
@VanillaLake You're right, my opinion is biased. I played the game all the way through and came to the conclusion that it was a solid remake, even an impressive one in most ways. I then read several reviews and aggregated review scores which echoed my own thoughts on the game, and I read/watched some performance analyses which provided irrefutable evidence that the remake was technically sound. So my opinion is based on those three factors, and is therefore biased in favor of those factors.
@Bolt_Strike No @-DEMISE- stated that as the popular opinion. Games appeal to different people, but the majority believe it is a great remake. Can't really deny its renowned reception, even if you believe its mediocre.
@GraveLordXD They've been quiet for a long time, so it's entirely possible. I think it's a safe bet that they're not working on another Donkey Kong game, so they're either working on a new IP (which I wouldn't mind either), or on some other established one. And since they have a proven record with Metroid, and since fans have been begging for a new entry in the series, it seems like a logical project for the studio. Other M left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, so if Nintendo DID decide to make a new Metroid game, they'd obviously want to put the series back in safe hands to sort of redeem it, and Retro's are probably the safest in that regard.
@-DEMISE- Whatever, looks like you have far more free time than me. Just one last thing, you shouldn't call other people ignorant just because you have a different point of view.
@VanillaLake Oh I have the week off! Thanks for noticing. Although you clearly have a lot of free time yourself, since you have posted like a hundred comments in this thread and a couple dozen on the other story about this game that just went up.
Anyway, you're right again, I shouldn't call other people ignorant just for having a different point of view. That's why I rarely do that. But when someone else's point of view is clearly growing from a blatant dearth of knowledge on a given subject, or just from sheer stupidity, I will tell them as much. Hope that helps.
It was a very impressive game; I beat the Easy Mode in about 4 days. My only gripe is the absolute lack of any map rooms, which led to a ton of needless backtracking after getting lost. Also, I only got to 90% because a few rooms were impossible to enter. The hardest item to find was the Ice Beam; I had to watch someone else's walkthrough for that. The Metroid Queen is easily the toughest boss, though there's not really much else in her environment. A few sporadic Metroids of the standard variety, and after you beat the Queen there's nothing. You encounter the larva, who eats away the barriers to help you reach Samus' ship...but that's it. No timer, no destruction of the planet, nothing.
@Moviefan2k4 That was how the game ended in the original as well. No escape sequence because the planet doesn't blow up from exterminating the local metroid ecosystem.
@dronesplitter Well, that's kinda stupid on Nintendo's part. I never played the original "Metroid II" very much, just the original and "Super Metroid" during my childhood.
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