Those poor Federation Force troopers, all they want to do is save the galaxy and be honoured for the effort, showing that on-the-ground grunts are valuable in the fight against Space Pirates, and probably cheaper than the fees for highly skilled Bounty Hunters like you-know-who. Yet they're doomed to be criticised forever more because they don't look cool, have as many gadgets or a history of iconic missions and adventures.
Nintendo has released the latest trailer for Metroid Prime: Federation Force, and at the time of writing it's got more dislikes than likes on YouTube.
The trailer itself is fine, being 30 seconds long and surely destined for TV slots. The other point to make is that, actually, based on preview time with the game we think it has potential. Our video man Alex enjoyed it in a recent preview article, and other members of the team that played it at San Diego Comic-Con discovered it was actually "not bad", in a positive way.
Nevertheless, what it isn't may haunt Federation Force, and it faces a tough task earning purchases from some Metroid fans.
What do you think, are you planning to give Federation Force a chance, or will you shun it until the end of days?
This comment section should be interesting. I will shun the game until the end of days. It's not a Metroid game. Can we lodge a Cease & Desist letter at this late stage?
In before the complaints that this game is doing something different, not about the actual quality of the game
That trailer is fine and showcases the game well. Still, the game itself doesn't appeal to me.
Honestly, I think it looks better and better. I didn't want to like it because this next few months will be packed with games, but can't really deny how fun this would be to play with a few friends (that said, I don't think it looks awesome enough to play with random people online).
Honestly, I'm a 2D Metroid fan; I've never really liked the "Call of Duty: Zebes" series that flourished on the GameCube and Wii. Taking an unrelated game and slapping the Metroid name onto it doesn't make it feel like a Metroid game.
I can't lie and say that the game doesn't look pretty slick. If this were on Wii U as a $50 release, I'd buy it. But playing a game like this on 3DS just doesn't appeal to me, despite the nub on my New model practically dying to get some use.
this is a metroid game without samus. i can understand the hate. i don't agree with it, and i find it illogical, but i can understand it.
Looks like crap.
Look, that trailer was pretty decent, for what it is, but I just cannot get past them making the characters stupid frikin' chibi-bobble-heads for no GENUINELY good reason. That kind of stuff just pees me right off.
I don't have friends, so I shall shun this game!
Those 1000 Metroid fans left on this planet keep making their message to Nintendo abundantly clear:
"We don't want any new Metroid games ever! Stop making them! Just re-release Super Metroid over and over!"
Just sad how people don't want Metroid to try new things, especially when the old games didn't sell well enough to warrant sequels.
I am going to laugh this game gets positives reviews. Look Next Level Games made the game same people who made
Luigi Mansion Dark moon
Mario Striker series
Punch out wii
I have faith on this game. Also I feel bad for Kensuke Tanabe. The guy put a lot of effort in this game since 2009 on the DSi.
Next Level Games. Nuff said, really.
Metroid Prime trilogy was “Call of Duty: Zebes“? Not in the slightest.
I hate those chibi designs and have no interested in buying this title.
Only thing I was interested about was this fun theory. What if this game takes place after Metroid Fusion when Samus is on the run chased by Federation Force. Add a short appearance of Samus somewhere and we are ready for the next game every Metroid fan has been waiting for: an actual 2D or 3D Metroid game (no chibi designs please).
Honestly, I'm probably just going to get the game for Blast Ball, though the main game still looks fun.
EDIT: I probably wouldn't of gotten this game if I wasn't rich. I was able to sign a contract with McDonalds yesterday after AM2R was taken down. I now supply their salt.
3DS still sorely lacking in FPS but this really doesn't look like it's worth a full price retail cost even before the dubiousness of slapping the Metroid name on it.
@Luffymcduck I think back at E3 1025, the secs said Samus would make a cameo.
@Jasonmd That's the problem I always have with these things..
I wouldn't be so hurt by this game's existence if Nintendo would just confirm that an actual legitimate entry in the Metroid series proper was in development. Whether a 2D classic style or 3D ala Prime, we just need to know that another Samus-focused game is on its way. Taking 6 years to give us a new chapter only to have it be a multiplayer-focused spinoff with a freaking Arena sport minigame attached is an outright insult to fans of the series.
I don't have any plans on giving this game a chance, because to me, this isn't Metroid. I'm hoping Nintendo gets the message by the poor sales this game will inevitably generate, in addition to the flood of dislikes on YouTube and negative press.
Looks like it will be fun to me, I'll be getting the game eventually. This is good as a off shoot of the Metroid Prime series, but I'm really hoping for a true Metroid game for nx to be revealed.
Yeah, they did say that last year. Story isn´t the reason people play Metroid but I still would like to see a better Samus cameo than just: "Hi, I´m in this game too. Bye!"
Yet another case of the masses judging a book by its cover. While this is more of a spinoff than a mainline Metroid game, it still doesn't look bad for what it's trying to do. I'm skipping it, but only because it's clearly a game designed for multiplayer, and I'm more into single player experiences.
I'm getting the game just to spite all the people whining on the internet.
It's one game. It's not like their saying "from this point on we're making Metroid into a cooking game". All they are doing is trying a new thing. If it doesn't work they will go back to the classic Metroid we love.
Personally I think it looks good. Not perfect but a good laugh. And can I point out the only reason Metroid flourish in the first place was because it kept trying new things?
@Yorumi Reminds me of how Paper Mario has become and its shift away from being an rpg to "action adventure." sigh
The best way to show you don't like the game or its misdirection is not to support it. Just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.
I know the 3DS can push FAR better graphics than these - it looks like a Quake 3 mod!
Actually, I wonder if FedForce uses one of id's engines...
Looks fun I'm getting a copy.
@Yorumi A game that revolves around the Federation's conflict with the Space Pirates, is completley unrelated to Metroid how?
Is there no room for expanding the Metroid universe with characters other than Samus? Is anything that doesn't star the main character in any work of fiction just slapping the name on an unrelated product?
I guess if we had a decent Metroid game, like the one we have been asking since Corruption, then people will be a bit more tolerant with this mediocre spin-off. Instead, the last Metroid game was an awful stupid Anime called MOM and now this?
Federation Force or not, Metroid is dead. Each release sold less than the rest, and since Nintendo has other series that aren't AAA but sell well, why are they gonna try again with this?
Q) What do you think, are you planning to give Federation Force a chance, or will you shun it until the end of days?
A) I shall be getting this game on 2nd September... but I'm unsure if I'll play it straight away. A part of the reason I want this game is so I can play it alongside two of my brothers... but one of them doesn't have much money and will probably end up having it as a Christmas present.
Here is to hoping there will be multiple save files! I also hope that I can change the controls so that the L button becomes the least utilised button in the game; I seemingly have to blow into it every day just to get it functioning for a couple of hours.
As for the trailer; I think it looks awesome. The starting line of 'The galaxy is not at peace' made me chuckle, and I'm not entirely sure why. Still, everything I saw in this game looked a lot of fun, and the enemy designs manage to look pretty cool despite being chibis.
The gameplay looks like a LOT of FUN (Co-op shooter with my Wife... yes please!) and it is made by Next Level Games (who made awesome Luigi Mansion). The next proper Metroid should be released for NX (NOT on 3DS!! - not enough horsepower), so this is fine for 3DS. Nintendo SHOULD (but won't b/c they are Nintendo... sigh) just confirm that a proper Metroid is coming to NX, and all the hate would disappear in an instant.
August 19th is going to be awesome... My Wife and I are getting Style Savvy (for her - she is an actress) and Federation Force (for me and us to play together)... and yes, I will be playing Style Savvy as well. That is how gaming marriages work!
The chibi art style is made for the 3DS because of the small screen... it makes sense once you know why they did it (again... for the 3DS).
My biggest problem with the game is not being a fan of the art style.
This actually looks pretty sweet to me. A nice shooter is what the 3DS has been missing. If they do the coop well and there's some kind of multiplayer, this thing could be a blast to play online. Probably day one for me.
Looks fun. I don't play hand-held machines though. I also think Metroid is a little overrated anyway.
@Yorumi The game looks like it plays like the Metroid Prime games, only with more action and a squad backing you up.
You're acting like they took a racing or puzzle game and slapped the Metroid name on it.
Ever consider it got dislikes for saying it's a story trailer despite having less story than a Michael Bay movie?
I gave the blast ball demo a try. The game itself is dreadfully boring and the controls are unpleasant (I don't think Prime-style controls really jive well with Nintendo handhelds, based on my experience with blast ball and Metroid Prime: Hunters). The game itself is visually unimpressive, in terms of both graphics and art style. It looks like a canceled N64 game.
So no, I will never waste money on this.
@HAL9000 Monster Hunters doesn't have that issue. Saying the art style is bad due to the limitations of the system is a weak argument.
Should've just called it something else. It just looks like a generic FPS with ugly chibi dudes
@Yorumi I've played the Blast Ball demo and the game plays so much like the Metroid Prime's on GC and more specifically Wii just with gyro replacing the Wii's motion control. I don't see how you can justify saying the gameplay is 100% unrelated. It's just a different spin on the same base mechanics.
I like the games, but wouldn't describe myself as a fan of Metroid but it sounds like you wouldn't be happy unless they make a complete rehash. Proving right the criticism that certain Nintendo fans just want the same game over and over again.
I see this style change as something like what Zelda once did with Windwaker. A lot of people hated on it because it looked to "chibi" or "kid" like. And look at it now. It is one of the most loved Zelda games through the series.
I dont know. If the gameplay is smooth and fun (which I find is the case by playing the training and demo stuff) I see myself liking this game. Idk. Maybe I am more easily pleased as a Nintendo gamer
@Yorumi According to what you said the Federation Force gameplay is 100% not related and therefore you must think Metroid is not about shooting and you do a lot of shooting in Metroid Prime.
Maybe you should start explaining your viewpoint properly before plunging into your typical doom and gloom rhetoric.
Hooray for entitled gamers. Way to advance humanity.
Being disliked by the internet can be fatal. Nintendo should understand how to steer public opinion after this happened with the wii u.
@Luffymcduck Or, as Tanabe once said that he wanted to show the relationship between samus an sylux, this is the origin of sylux as a trooper of the federation (the blue guy is always shown first). He is jealous of samus and eventually turns bad. I don't think they'll pull this out, but would be cool.
Had it preordered for a long time now. Can't wait to get it
Hated it first. Since then I have slowly warmed up and now I am in the mind of getting it sooner rather than later.
Should be fun. Hopefully the online game can be played without friends.
I won't be getting this game, as it wasn't that fun to me. I can see where others really like this game, though, but at the same time, I can understand the complaints it's been getting.
If Nintendo were to announce that a non-spin-off Metroid game was on the way, I think people would begin to like Federation Force for what it is, since they wouldn't have to worry about the future of the Metroid series. Without the clarification that Metroid will return to how it used to be after the spin-off, I can understand why Metroid fans are upset. I hope Nintendo has better plans for Metroid in the future. Even though I'm not a big fan of Metroid, I agree a non-spin-off Metroid game is long overdue.
I'll get it if it reviews well. But it's still hard to avoid the fact that there's no reason at all they didn't just make a Prime type game.
@mjhopkins81 I understand and respect that you didn't like the Cube/Wii Prime serie, BUT it is not like Call Of Duty... God no.. I don't want that.
It's a disgrace plain and simple.
I enjoyed what I played, but there is too much competition for my gaming dollar right now.
True regarding the art style... but my Wife won't play Monster Hunter with me (too complicated... and she has a point - MH has a very steep learning curve) - where-as this is more pick up and play friendly (i.e., you can revive a team-mate by going to unconscious body and revive them) and the art style will make it easier for her to get into (i.e., not bloody).
I have NO problems with federation force EXPANDING the Metroid Prime universe with stories of soldiers (makes more sense then Metroid Prime 2 multiplayer anyway) in co-op shooter on a 3DS.
The next proper Metroid SHOULD be on NX... not on 3DS.
@benjie44 Wind waker was a full fledged zelda title, not a multiplayer spinoff that is released 6 years after the last game. It is simply not the same.
@Yorumi That's fine, do vote with your wallet. I'm also not going to get this, as it's more in the style of hunters which i didn't like either, and we don't have to like it.
But the level of immediate outrage people are expressing without having even played it, as if it was the worst thing ever made that should rather not exist is ridiculous. it's like children complaining about not getting their candy of choice.
@Blue_Blur Yeah, just like when Iwata-san revealed the NX after the mobile plans.
@nab1 "it's like children complaining about not getting their candy of choice."
That's how I see it too. It's gonna go off in here, I can sense it.
@Yorumi So the Prime trilogy wasn't real Metroid then?
@mjhopkins81 I can understand not liking the 3D Metroid games, but calling it Call of Duty just because it's a first person shooter isn't accurate at all. Besides, if you're going to call one of them a clone then Call of Duty would have to be the clone of Metroid, considering the first Metroid Prime game came out before the first Call of Duty game...
@HAL9000 So first its the graphics but when your argument doesn't hold water you move onto game play?...
I hope you enjoy the game.
"It's like children complaining about not getting their candy of choice."
If it's bad candy, you either still accept it and swallow it down or reject it and cough it out
@Dr_Lugae Metroid is just about shooting as mario is just about squashing goombas. Metroid is about exploration, feeling completely alone in a world full of dangers and mysteries. Shooting is just a part of the game, just as slashing enemies is a part of Zelda. We don't play metroid for multiplayer, we play for the single player experience. If we wanted that, we would play a suited (to not say better) game.
I feel bad for the game, if it was just called Federation Force it'd probably be pretty looked forward too. It's only because of Nintendo's incompetence to make a Metroid game the fans have asked for the fans are retaliating against the game. Hopefully with the NX Nintendo will right their wrongs and it'll have a platformer and 3D Metroid SAMUS game.
The entitlement is strong in this thread.... Why so many people are acting like if Nintendo owes them anything?
You're not forced to buy the game if you don't like, which is completely and utterly valid..... But that doesn't mean Nintendo is forced to do what these so called "fans" want. If they want to do FF, they can and the results will be their problem. Damn, they could turn Metroid into a Pachinko machine if they wanted!
Not much story there but I'm actually looking forward to this game. I was one of the few who enjoyed Hunters on the DS and loved the controls of that game (although saying that it has been a few years since I last played it).
I have hopes for this game, not the highest hopes but hopes all the same. I predict it'll get 7/10 across the board.
@RandomBlue rejecting the candy is fine, throwing it back at your parents face in a tantrum is not, or should not be.
I am actually looking forward to it very much so I can play coop in the Metroid universe with my Wife - thanks! We will also be playing fashion with Style Savvy together. (yay for gamer Wife).
I do respect your opinion - and acknowledge that if Nintendo just confirmed a PROPER exploration Metroid for NX (just a title screen) - it would solve why people are upset about Federation Force being a spin-off.... but... it's Nintendo... LOL.
And plus voicing your dissatisfaction and outrage won't do anything to change the game or Nintendo's mind. Like i said earlier, If you don't like the direction, do not support it. Sales are the biggest way you can voice your opinions to Nintendo.
@nab1 I would imagine not haha
@Devlind I don't believe Metroid is only about shooting but its mechanics and the weapons are a core part of the game. Mario is the same case, you don't need to jump on all the enemies but the action and what it allows(higher jumps) make up a core part of the experience.
I'd like to point to Super Mario Land 3, which turned the gameplay on its head the faster pace,. Mario who gets hurt on touch enemies was replaced with a character who knocks enemies over when he walks into them, shoulder barging into them and throwing coins at enemies but who can still jump on enemies for the same jump height advantage. But it's still a Mario platformer at heart with a number of the mechanics, even if the protagonist changed to Wario and Mario just has a cameo(Just like Samus in Federation Force).
Keep in mind my argument is that I disagree with a claim that Federation Force's gameplay is 100% unrelated to Metroid. My viewpoint is that new spins on some of the same core game mechanics can still be a worthy entry in the respective series, they aren't just random games with the brand attached.
@mjhopkins81 the Prime series was awesome! Full of life and really pulled you into the story and environment like the 2Ds ones never could. I really enjoyed them and will absolutely buy four fed Forces day one. One for each of my kids and myself. It is going to be a amazing adventure just like Triforce heroes was.
It is their job to sell games. However, it is also their right to make a game about whatever they want, just like you have your right to say the game sucks.
My problem isn't with people saying they don't like the direction the series is taking - I have the same problem with Paper Mario - my problem is acting like the new game is the scourge of Earth and an abomination, and they practically crucify the company for developing the game.
Just as you, the consumer, don't owe anything to a Nintendo, they don't owe Metroid fans anything. Maybe you aren't the target market for Metroid any longer, and they'll never again develop a 2D Metroid. Is that bad? It isn't. At the end of the day, it is just business.
@Yorumi But "supply and demand" show people don't want Metroid games. That's why the vocal haters here look like whiny babbies.
I'm interested to say the least but with DQVII, Steins;Gate 0 & Recore releasing in the same month, I'll wait on this.
I just can't wait to play Federation Force- since it was said that you can play alone - I preordered it.
AM2R's cancellation plus a new Federation Force trailer equals very, very poor timing.
Looks like a handheld Destiny, and it looks alright. Considering the guys who made Punch Out and Luigi Mansion 2 are working on this, it may surprise some and be good.
I really hope the stupid smear campain about this game won't stop the collaboration between Nintendo and Next Level Games. They're very talented developers but they're also the typical middle sized studio who tend to disappear with the crisis the videogame industry is knowing. Doubt they would survive without a big wallet backing them.
when someone supports a corporation financially by purchasing their expensive consoles then they are perfectly entitled to want something specific and be disappointed if what they want isn't delivered.
I've got nothing at stake with this game but I dont understand why people dont get that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You were correct. This comment section is insanely interesting.
for the record I have no interest in this but dont doubt it'll be competent. Luigi's Mansion on the 3DS is one of my all time favorites so I dont doubt their ability to deliver.
I just think it's obvious that this game seems so far removed from metroid that it's got people bummed out.
Personally, I dont like first person games in general so none of the prime series did much for me.
I'll gladly take another 2D one but I know that that's never gonna happen.
@Yorumi Those are not good sales. Especially with the budget of the Prime games who had more than 100 people working on them. Come back when you'll know what you're talking about.
It seems like people are taking this topic way too far. Nintendo released a new Metroid game (yes, it is a Metroid game). If you are interested, buy it. If not, don't. Stop complaining and move on with your life.
@Yorumi Talk about not answering the question.
The point is that you are acting as though 'real Metroid' sells by the bucketloads and Nintendo is somehow being idiotic in not making another 'real Metroid' game. The reality is that the last game you and others might consider 'real Metroid' (which, in itself, is ridiculous as only the game's creator can determine what that game truly is - anyone can have their own interpretation, but it doesn't mean they're right) sold only 1.81m from 2007 to last month. To put that into perspective: Mario Party 10, considered the worst Mario Party game, sold as many copies in just over a year; Splatoon, a new IP on a dead console, has sold nearly as many copies as the Prime trilogy combined in just over a year.
By your reckoning, the Prime trilogy must not be 'real Metroid' otherwise all of these Metroid fans would surely have voted with their wallets and purchased the games, rather than send the message that they didn't want that version of Metroid.
@Yorumi Nintendo of course still looks at fan feedback and I'm sure they are aware of the negative feedback it is getting. Pretty sure Reggie has compared it's initial reception to windwaker, but that could have been codename steam instead. But fans act like this is the worse thing in the world and hate the game for looking way too different from what they wanted.
Feedback factors in but their main focus is how it is going to sell. I am sure this is the reason the wii u never received its main series title. It would've sold next to nothing and it didn't make sense from a business standpoint, no matter how much fans wanted. Launching it on the 3ds makes more sense from their standpoint. From what ive seen, this game has more of a chance on appealing to casual consumers with a mobile shooter crave and some few metroid fans (in metroid universe and all).
This game looks so nicely polished. I'm giving it an upvote and preordering so I can play with my friends.
@bitleman Not to mention Metroid Prime 2 barely scraped 1 million(It had sold 800,000 between 2004 and 2009, if the Wii was backwards compatible it sales would have been lower). Metroid Prime Hunters sold less than 1 million and Metroid Prime Trilogy...all three console entries for the price of one game sold less than 1 million. With Prime Trilogy in the bargain bins until Nintendo announced they discontinued production less than one year after its released and then the pre-owned prices shot up when people realised there weren't many of them.
Considering the environment detail in the HD age a Metroid Prime would probably be comparable to AAA release budget despite the fact only the first entry in the series ever had the sales figures to justify it.
@Yorumi We are getting Metroid NX at release....
@cfgk24 says who?
@maukenboost that'd be real cool if it ever came out but I don't really see that happening.
A new 2D Metroid is never a bad idea... but seriously: Is it really fair to dislike a game trailer or game footage of any unreleased game simply out of spite? I think the hate surrounding this game reflects a growing problem this industry has with gamer entitlement.
@televisions my Uncle, he works at Nintendo in Kyoto....
Seriously, think about it....
How do you make NX a success?
@cfgk24 you make the NX a success by giving us great 1st Party Nintendo games and Excellent 3rd Party support.
It's simple, but I betcha 10 bucks ninty doesnt.
The game has evolved enough where I'm interested in it as a stand alone game. We can't call this a mainstream entry in the Metroid franchise though - this is like a Kirby Mass Attack in the Metroid franchise.
I still want a mainstream entry - I'm glad FF is 3ds though, MAYBE NX will have a Metroid title worth talking about (i.e. not Other M)
@Yorumi Read again: 'you are acting', not 'you have said'. Key differences here.
If people think this plays good, you seriously need to play better FPS games.
Oh wow! Luigi's mansion 2 was great! The download play function in that is great! Road trips seem 100x times better when you have this and three other 3DS plus kids that share the passion for video games!
Poor Federation Force video with it's dislikes....
@Yorumi Do not really see its relevance. I just saw it as a cheap AC title used to advertise amiibo. An extra title basically like Mario Tennis ultra smash was. A lot more work goes into metroid than into a cheap board game. I feel like these discussions are just going back in circles now.
Here's the logic I'm hearing:
"Mario is a game about jumping and running left to right!
Why did they have to put him in a go-kart? That's not a true Mario game. I shall shun this Kart spin-off! And if people buy this Kart game, that'll be the end of real Mario games forever!"
Looks fun. They can call it Super Mario Galaxy Wars of Hyrule and I still wouldn't care, because I'm not a crazy person who gets stuck on the names of things.
@Yorumi Do you know who actually developed Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival?
@Yorumi Less resources go into making a cheap game. It's not even an actual animal crossing game. The 3ds market is much larger than the wii u and has more potential sales.
@ap0001 Kirby latest game on 3DS had a lot of problems with FPS ... The system is showing age ... Even its my fav handheld ever to date along with the GBA ... But it's time to get a new handheld console !!
I might get the game when it goes down to 20 or something ... 40$ not worth it
"The point of 2d metroid is to show how it existing along side FF would have avoided this entire fiasco. No one is concerned at all when mario, zelda, or pokemon gets a spin off because everyone knows the main games are safe, they get entries all the time."
That's a really good point.
Dont be intentionally obtuse people.
We accept and tolerate Pokemon and Mario Spinoffs because they'll always make mainline ones.
Poor Metroid Fans dont even have that promise to look forward to.
"Maybe it's unfair to the devs but it really goes back to it's nintendo's job to sell us games not the other way around."
That's another really good point.
@Yorumi It's a cheap title to add to the wii u's catalog of games and also a reason to justify buying amiibo. Main series Animal Crossing has much more mass market appeal than metroid. That's pretty given. Heck, they even started developing a mobile game for it.
And i don't see any reason they'd make animal crossing for the wii u with the NX coming unless its a dual release.
Yeah yeah, we know it. Its not "fighting dislikes" its almost universally disliked. There is no fight in it nor must everything be a fight.
Its just another mediocre title from Nintendo with a slapped on IP name to try to appease starved fans.
Something that would have been widely accepted if it appeared along the main line of games.
Much like Color Splash or Amiibo Festival.
If they would be sideline games to bridge the gap between released, no one would bat an eye. Whats missing are those mainline titles.
Dont turn a fly into an elephant and be surprised that a cheap looking spinoff isnt universally praised just for having a famous name attached to it.
@Grandpa_Pixel so you'd buy a game purely on the basis of pissing off a bunch of random strangers on the internet, whom you've never met rather than for your own personal enjoyment?
Dude, not gonna lie. That's kind of sad.
Can we play this game ALONE?
Got it preordered a while ago. Think it will be fine and should be judged on its own merits. The fact that its not the metroid game everyone wanted hurts a little but as I mentioned earlier better than no metroid game at all. Wonder if had coplained less if next level games had wasted their efforts on another boutique game or something like amiibo festival
With that said I do believe nintendo has made lots of questionable decisiobs in the last couple of years wasting a lot of opportunities that might have paid off - they should have hired me as ceo
@Nin_Myski Not really. There's single player, but you'll always have 3 bots behind you.
I'm not skipping this game because of how it looks, how it plays, or even because of my ridiculous backlog of games (which now includes AM2R)! I'm skipping this game because I'll be busy moving and suffering roughly two weeks of spending money all over the place on furniture and whatnot starting the day this game comes out!
From what I've seen so far this seems to be a great game. Looking forward to play it.
Erm.... it doesnt exactly grab you, does it. Looks incredibly monotonous! I love Metroid BUT my least favourite of the series by a mile were the Prime games. I just never thought it translated that well into 3D. Actually really loved Other M and just completed it again last week .... still love it. But this looks far worse than Hunters... a game Ive started umpteen times and just dont enjoy it!! Hope Fed Force is better than it looks but defo not for me!!
@DiscoGentleman you know, for every hater that hates fed force, there's also a nintendrone that bashes everyone, accusing them of liking the same, slightly tweaked, yearly muddy shooters. No one ever wins in these kinds of debates.
I'll pass my way this time
@HAL9000 why can't more people be like you?
If people actually took a step back and thought about things rather than lashing out in anger. They would understand better why this game exists and the way it is. Nintendo doesn't hate Metroid they wanted to do a Metroid for Wii U but could not get the team or resources necessary to do it and keep in mind Nintendo isn't like Activision or EA who have a small army of programmers. Also if you were Nintendo what do you think would be best? Releasing a full fledged HD Metroid for a dying system or holding out for NX where it has much better prospects? Its called common business sense.
Another thing many seem to fail to realize is that this game has been in development long before Other M actually. It was originally a DSi more specifically a DSi exclusive before it got shelved and resurrected on 3DS
With that AM2R remake. People need to realize that is how copyright law works. You cannot simply make a game using assets and resources from an existing game and distribute it over the internet. It doesnt matter whether you are making money off it or not, you are basically violating copyright law. When you are a company like Nintendo in order to maintain the integrity of your IP you have to exercise your right to protect your IP that often means going after fan projects both good or bad. Also if you think this is bad, I have heard about Sony taking down channels that even discuss No Man's Sky.
And if you Metroid fans think that you have had to endure such a long wait there are a lot of other franchises out there that have had it even worse. With Oddworld its been over 10 years since the series last got an original game not counting re releases and remakes. Half Life will likely remain stuck in limbo until Valve learns to count to 3
@SLIGEACH_EIRE This is the reason why Metroid fanbase is one of the worst in a matter of Nintendo's franchises. What the hell. How can one be this obtuse?
Get over it man. Life goes on.
Two thumbs down, I have a dislike toward first person shooters and I hate the chibi style, not gonna buy it. That's another $40 towards the next 3ds game I wanna buy I suppose.
@televisions I bet you buy an NX.
I bet it is a success!
I bet it's not a ps4.
Speaking as a huge Metroid fan, my main issue with the game isn't that it's kot a traditional Metroid per se. It's that the appearance of the MP:FF preview midway through Nintendo's E3 broadcast last year practically guaranteed the surprise announcement of a new traditional Metroid at the end of the show, which made the disappointing end to the broadcast positively bitter for people like me.
That pain has subsided, thankfully, and I can now view MP:FF more fairly. It doesn't look awful, but I'm not really excited about it, either.
Yeah baby! Just pre-ordered 2 copies! Sequel! Sequel!
Not as good as AM2R...
This game looks alright, but why is 'Metroid Prime' in the title?
So it would sell better I guess. My question is why there´s "Metroid" in the title at all?
I feel like this game is going to suffer from some grim sales numbers. Personally, this game looks just fine, no 10 out of 10 to be sure, but a solid game. Blast Ball, or the demo at least, is pretty entertaining as a Nintendo alternative to Rocket League, and the actual Federation Force segment was very competent, bordering on actual fun if you can believe it.
That said, I still think it'll suffer from rather tepid sales.
To counteract this, I say take physical copies that will inevitably linger for ages in shops and bundle those suckers with a black New3DS with some bundle-exclusive Metroid themed cover plates. Sales would almost assuredly be better than they otherwise would've been. The exclusivity of some Metroid cover plates alone could shift some impressive numbers from the big fans, and a black N3DS in the North American market would instantly grab my attention, along with several more just here on NL.
Get with the program NOA!
@Devlind yeaa that is true. But still I was more focusing on the hate on the art style.
I'm looking forward to playing this. If it allows online friend play I have a friend I'm gonna play with.
My first assumption would be is the game probably contains series staples like "Galactic Federation", "Space Pirates", and blasting "Metroids"
Lol, wow. Ok, but like... when did Nintendo ever publish a Metroid spinoff game? Every game before FF was a mainline Metroid game. You make it sound like Ninty will never make another Metroid game starring Samus again. The Wii saw Prime 3, Other M, and Prime Trilogy... that's a lotta love for a franchise by any generational standard.
FF does not appear to be a testament of the bold new direction Nintendo wishes to take with all Metroid games going forward. It just looks like a spinoff game used as a way to expand the universe and offer an alternative gameplay style/experience within its franchise. I don't see this as a negative thing to do from a business standpoint.
Kinda like how there's 3 different mainline Mario subseries now (2D style (New Mario Bros.), 3D Galaxy/64 style, and 2D/3D fusion (3D Mario Land/Word style). A company has the right to be flexible and experimental with its IP from time the time.
@Jingo_Unchained A spinoff is perfectly fine, it even benefits game series in many ways. Unfortunately, it's been six years since the last Metroid game was released, and getting a spinoff (and only a spinoff) now all these years later feels like a giant middle finger from Nintendo to Metroid fans. I don't personally care, I feel like Metroid is a series Nintendo has clearly abandoned and getting worked up over it isn't gonna help since Nintendo was never about fan demand. They only try to appeal to the mainstream audience.
I made sure to dislike the video.
@G_M Well, it's not the only reason. Genuinely good looking game, supporting smaller developers. Rare game in the future. Big Nintendo fan. Etc etc. But yeh, I am. I am defending a good game.
And in the context of Federation Force, I think it is more sad that the internet is whining over a graphics style, not-Samus characters and team gameplay. That to me is the sadder aspect. Not to mention the need to dislike every video.
At least my sadness is being constructive to the gaming industry at the end of the day.
I feel sorry for those who work tirelessly to make this game. It's a spin-off, yet it gets a huge wave of hatred from Metroid hardcore fans. I'd say give it a shot before you judge. It looks fun.
I'll give it a chance when I get around to it after all the main and gaiden Metroid games I've yet to play. But I know better than to judge it by what the fandom thinks of it, too.
Because it is located in the Prime timeline, uses elements of that series (as the FPS) and supposedly, it is going to expand on some characters and world elements we saw in the Prime series.
I am a huge fan of Metroid. I have posted all of them and enjoyed every one, except the team ninja one. I didn't much care for that. What I have seen of Federation Force looks fun to play. I'm not a fan of games that rely on multiple players, so I hope that there is a way to play single player and still get full enjoyment out of the game. Being an adult in a small town doesn't really work for having friends that enjoy playing video games and even less that have the time.
...Generic-looking enemies, yay.
Metriod fell into the same trap as Halo. A unique series of FPS's reduced to a generic shot-em up Call of Duty Clones.
I never played through an entire Metriod game in my life, but I'm hardly blind enough to see where to disapointment is coming from.
At least Other M tried to add something to the franchise, even if it did fail. This game is making New Super Mario bros look innovative.
@mjhopkins81 Call of Duty Zebes? I don't think you played the game.
"why does everyone assume "trying new things" means slapping a name on a completely unrelated game"
But it's not really slapping a name on it. I mean, maybe it is, but it's not uncommon. That's kinda what spinoffs are- an unrelated genre that fits into an existing franchise universe.
If people are upset because they want a real Metroid game that's totally understandable. I want one too. But to rage at this particular spin off while letting Mario Tennis slide, and Mario Golf, and Pokken Tournament, and Star Fox Guard, etc etc etc just seems wrong.
It's a multiplayer Metroid game, not unlike the Metroid Prime 2 Echoes multiplayer mode. A little different inasmuch that it's co-op missions rather than multiplayer shootouts, but still, spinoffs should be allowed to exist without getting hammered simply because they're spinoffs. And usually they don't, which makes this particular instance really stand out.
I think people are funneling their hate toward this game because of their dissatisfaction toward Nintendo for not giving us a new main series entry and I don't think that's right. If Next Level Games wanted to make this, and the director wanted to make this, then it's a creative choice by the developers and I think that should be respected. And it should be judged as every other spinoff- by how fun it is and how good it is.
Don't like Metroid, don't like shooters. I'm passing on this one for sure.
Metroid's sold better than oh, I don't know, Pikmin.
But let's be real here, Pikmin is OK because it's Miyamoto's darling, and it sells well IN JAPAN.
That's all Nintendo cares about. They don't give a rat's ass about the world at large anymore, it's all about the home turf. Other M was made to appeal to Japanese audiences. Fed Force is clearly trying to do the same, appealing to the huge Japanese MH crowd.
A 2D Metroid game could be made fairly cheaply these days, and can sell really well, as seen with Fusion. Hell, one dude's just made one on his own, and he's made a product that stands on it's own against Nintendo's official products.
Reading more of your posts, starting to get the bigger picture of the conversation going on here.
So, I could be way off on this but the way I understand it is, Nintendo doesn't really coordinate well between different teams. Each of their teams is extremely talented and very good at what they do and most of them put out high-quality work. But there doesn't seem to be any over-arching master strategy. Like for example, how you said that if they had just released a normal game also people wouldn't be upset, which I agree with. But I don't think that's happening at Nintendo.
I think the each of their individual teams are given the freedom to create whatever they want without any push or nudge to help align the bigger picture. So instead of 20 different teams working as a unit under the direction of a company manager- strategically picking games in genres to fill gaps and satiate demand of franchises that have been MIA for sometime, they instead have 20 different teams working individually on their own projects at their own discretion.
And I think this is why certain franchises get skipped, or go for a decade without an entry, because there is no master strategy or someone saying, "we need a team doing this franchise". They basically let each team decide for themselves what they want to do and so without any level of macro-management, team A doesn't know what team B through M are doing, or to give you a better example, Next Level Games doesn't know if another Metroid is in development or not or if one is planned to be in development. All they know is they need to make a game and this is what they want to do, so they do it.
If I'm right about this then that's a huge misstep. And that might be the reasoning for a lot of stuff that we see that we don't understand. For example, if no individual team chooses to take on a new Metroid then no new Metroid gets made, and I doubt there's been a strong desire from any team to take it on given the fan reaction of Other M (which was unfortunate imo because the game, despite having a questionable control scheme, was rock solid and extremely fun). The only ones I think who would be confident enough to make a new entry would be Retro Studios, but they've probably moved on and are working on something new altogether.
I live in the West; other than game critics and serious, serious fans, no meaningful number of adults play portable multiplayer games.
I'm buying it, to hell with all the rabid animals foaming at the mouth because this game exists and isn't what they wanted.
Dude again nobody would be against this game if there were an actual real Metroid game that came out on the Wii U this would be a great companion game.
I am convinced that Nintendo is hell-bent on pissing off the fans of every franchise that Nintendo holds, first they pissed off the people that like Starfox then they pissed off the people that like Animal Crossing and now they are pissing off the Metroid fans, I'm telling you Nintendo does not even know it but they have alienated and made upset a lot of previous Nintendo fans. Again I still feel like that the Wii U may end up being the Sega Saturn and the index will end up being the Dreamcast. Very sad
I won't be buying it. Not because it's a waste of the Metroid name, but because it looks dreadful.
Why does the word 'entitled' get misused so often on this site?
@BLD You don't know what you're talking about. Pikmin are small budget games compared to Metroid and Other M was a huge budget game (with very expensive cinematics made by a specialized studio), was massively printed for the US market and it flopped hard. That's why you could find it for less than $10 few time after the release.
And it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. The name Metroid does not sale and does not justify a big budget anymore. And honestly I think the Metroid fanbase totally deserve this for being so awful. Sakamoto should stick with the Rhythm Heaven games who are played by people who actually enjoy videogames.
Well I don't think amiibo has any bearing on game output, so some will like it and some will hate it, but it's just a thing on the side. I love them even if they are mostly useless.
But ya, Idk. I learned this generation to not get my hopes up for any game I want- it will only lead to disappointment. But I found an approach that works well for me- just play whatever they make that's good, and enjoy it. Hope for nothing, take the good and ignore the rest.
As for NX, I guess you're not really wrong. It would basically be just a portable Wii U. But with that said, when I buy consoles or handhelds I'm basically paying entry to gain access to the next five years of games from them. So really the system is just a means to an end, the end being Nintendo games from 2017-2022. Even if it did nothing different, it's still another generation's worth of games you get access to.
But the portable thing is really awesome! Tablets are where it's at- I've always wished someone would make a gaming tablet as strong as the latest iPad with buttons and analogs, and an easy way to do TV out. If I look at the NX as a console it doesn't really seem that impressive, but looking at it as a handheld or tablet, it sounds amazing! The next Zelda game being playedable on a handheld screen gets me excited. It won't be much new inasmuch as TV gaming goes, but at this point I feel fortunate we'll be able to play Nintendo games on the TV at all. I was half expecting them to pull out of the home console space after Wii U and just do handhelds. Which would be an absolute catastrophe because I love playing their games on the TV. So maybe they are kind of just switching over to portables only but they really threw us a bone by allowing it to play games on the TV also- even if it's the same as a Wii U, to me that still much better than never being able to play a Nintendo game on the TV again.
Let's not call that game metroid anymore.
Let's just call it Galactic Federation Force, give it a chance, still love & ask for a new metroid and go with the flow.
I just feel extremely sad for the guys at Next Level Games working on this game. Enough said.
@Yorumi I don't get why you think the Party game developer(Mario Party, WiiU Party) ND Cube would have been able to make a full Animal Crossing game instead of a Party game like Amiibo Festival.
Do you not know the Animal Crossing developers(EAD2) were making Splatoon? It was Splatoon that prevented a WiiU Animal Crossing not Amiibo Festival.
Just because it's not what you want, that doesn't mean the game is bad! I think it looks like a lot of fun and I'm definitely getting it! Nevertheless, Nintendo should have just called it galactic federation force without any link to the Metroid franchise... they could have easily done that and then people would not have hated it and therefore it would sell better. Just be patient! Surely Nintendo is gonna give us a proper Metroid game on the NX
I tried the demo, I didn't enjoy it so I just won't bother, end of story.
Continues to look like a fun and engaging Metroid spin-off. As for its alleged lack of "Metroidness", do we even know whether or not you can't gain upgrades as in other Metroid titles? I swear, if Metroid Prime: Hunters didn't have a (lackluster) Single-Player mode, it would've received the same or worse criticism that this title is getting.
To the few of you who have negative perceptions of this game based on what you've actually played of Blast Ball or at the very least based on personal dislike of the artstyle or similar, you have my respect, unlike the morons who hate this game simply because "hurr durr no Samus".
I played the Blast Ball demo and was not pleased. I have better priorities. Sorry, Next Level Games. I still love you!
This came out 4 years ago Nintendo.
You could've saved yourself soooooooooooooooooooo much trouble by asking Capcom to make this game instead. I don't mind a game about the troopers. In fact I welcome it.
Thing is, I don't quite enjoy the idea of wasting a whole $40 on something that would make my eyes bleed while I play it.
Now if you were releasing a N64 Mini and including this as a cool selling point, then sure.
P.S. Why the heck are there no stylus controls? Even with how uncomfortable it'd be, I'd prefer that to the awful gyro aiming and clunky button mapping of the blastball demo.
Anyway I can't get enough of the purple theme on some of NintyLife's pages. Looks so gorgeous.
The characters look like Lego men or something. I just don't see the classic Metroid style in it.
It's not the Metroid game I wanted, but I like it as a spin off series.
I have faith in Next Level so I will be buying it. Plus I don't want it to flop and Nintendo to read that as "nobody cares about Metroid" after this and Other M.
Eugh. The attitude in the Metroid fanbase is some of the worst I've ever seen. I'm not a Metroid fan, and I never will be, but, you guys should be appreciating the fact Nintendo even bothered to make a Metroid game. How would you react if they continued to ignore the series? You'd still complain, and then run back to your fan-games (which, Nintendo have all right to take down).
Of course, my sentiments don't apply to all the fans, only the very vocal ones who feel they're 'entitled' to something else.
God, the Metroid fans are some of the worst.
I'm totally picking this up. Looks like another 3DS game that will steal more hours than it should from me
@buildz It's a tossup between them and the Paper Mario fans...
@buildz Unfortunately, "[x] fans are the worst kind of fans" can be applied to just about any franchise, depending on whom you ask. Every game series has its obnoxious and loud fans, there's no escaping that fact.
This is pathetic and the countless efforts at damage control just aren't working. People can defend this crap all they want but it wont save the game. I've been a fan since fusion. Most people defending it haven't played a single game in the series. The best part is the people defending it just to be anti-conformists aren't going to buy the game. They said the same things about starfox, then it released and nobody bought it.
Don't see where the CoD comparisons come from, unless it's referring to the Zombies mode which actually does feature some puzzle-solving and co-op.
(Un)surprisingly, nobody remembers Metroid Prime Pinball, but that would probably receive at least twice as much hate if that was the game they released today. The "they're just slapping Metroid on an unrelated game" would actually have some water.
Oh I know.
I actually really enjoyed Robobot. I mean, it's a Kirby game so ya, dying is pretty much out of the question, but, it actually had a lot more challenge then past Kirby games I've played. The World 4 boss was fantastic (that shape shifting hologram). Idk, I'm obsessed finding the Cubes in every level. But I really did like that game, and I bored of Triple Deluxe pretty quickly. Some of those hidden cubes are really tricky to find though.
@cfgk24 I applaud your optimism.
I sort of want to play the new Persona and Final Fantasy games but I don't think were gonna get them
Also if I had to wait six years for a new Kirby or Shin Megami game and it ended up a boring co-op FPS I'd feel completely pissed. So I get where the frustration comes from. Again if one supports a company by buying their hardware they're aloud to feel entitled.
Boo hoo. Nintendo didn't make the game I wanted and I'm indignant !! Also , commenters need to understand the meaning of ad hominem and entitlement. They also need to understand that sometimes Nintendo make games that are not meant for them. Once they grasp this , they might not feel the need to type paragraphs full of malinformed nonsense.
@televisions While I hear what you're saying and I definitely see your point, I have no idea how a Kirby FPS could ever be boring
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You're right, it's not a Metroid game. But Mario Kart isn't a Mario game, and that doesn't stop it from being entertaining. It's a spinoff. I dare say Federation Force looks fun and people shooting it down just for its visual style and lack of Samus are very closed-minded.
@kingofthesofa Imagine if all that energy was channeled into something positive.
@Yorumi Not to just jump into the middle of the conversation, but I like Kirby and specifically avoided this game because of how unbelievably OP the Robobot seemed.
For me, Dreamland 3 got the difficulty the most spot-on. Still Kirby-esque, but not so easy you can fall asleep (and finding those assist items and then making it to the level end to use them was sometimes an actual nightmare).
They should've made it Metroid Vacation Planet! You could control Samus or your choice of galactic hotties as they chill on the beach! Play Metroid Volleyball but watch out for those power slams! Buy various swimsuits for your fave bounty hunter! Later on during nighttime play beach laser tag! And place your bets ladies and gentlemen in a roaring game of blast ball!
@Syrek24 Yeah it's all rather pointless and futile isn't it? I can't picture the staff of Nintendo scouring the comment sections of Nintendolife to see if anyone's upset.
I thought the overall graphics of the game were pretty poor, even for the 3DS. The water splash and explosions look really bad in particular.
I feel like people would've liked this if Nintendo either:
A. Released an actual Metroid in the recent past
B. Not called it a Metroid game
C. had it star the actual protagonist of Metroid, as opposed to some interchangeable space marines
Sorry, but I still stand by my opinion that this is not a Metroid game by heart. Nintendo could've named this game anything else, but in an attempt to attract more sales, they called it Metroid. The characters are as generic as they could get, and if you ask me, this game is going to turn out to have a strange past development, and watch it be a completely different game when development first started. I tryed the blast ball demo, and it was awful. I will most definitely shun this game for all time.
Had a look at the Youtube channel and for every like there's 2 dislikes. That's over 66% from 4,000 votes, Nintendo have another SFZ on their hands.
@MrMario02 I agree, I still wouldn't get it just because it doesn't look good. But the fact it bares the Metroid name, was a huge slap in the face for fans who have been waiting years for a new title.
@WiltonRoots @MagicEmperor Of course, there's many obnoxious fan-bases out there, I'm most definitely not singling out Metroid, it's just become very obvious about their behaviour since... well, E3 last year. It just bugs me to no end, when fans complain about not getting the game they want whilst other series' and their fans are desperate for games (F-Zero, for example).
@kingofthesofa I get what your saying as far as them not making this game for everyone, but do you think they should've used the Metroid name? This game is as much a Metroid game as Tempole Run is Crash Bandicoot.
@buildz If you want another F-Zero, then make your voices heard. They're not going to make something they don't know anyone wants. Thanks to the backlash from this, we Metroid fans might be seeing a new (real) Metroid game before you see a new F-Zero game.
@Syrek24 If there's so much negativity here or there's alot of people here that are entitled and you can't stand that. Why don't you leave? It's not that hard. No one is forcing you to be here. These comments that always get you riled up like a damn child aren't forcing you to be here. These people that get you riled up. Aren't forcing you to be here. So. Again.Why stay? Why comment? Why even reply to these people? Why?
That highlights how ridiculous the negative feedback for the game is
@bubby444 I don't want another F-Zero, I was just giving an example. Read my post again, you'll see. Can't stand it, personally, especially the GBA game.
Its a pity Nintendo did not do anything since the game's reveal and backlash to help ease the pain and change people's opinion even by a little. I reckon you could have easily added a port of Metroid Prime Hunters or a 3D Classics treatment of Super Metroid on the cart or as a downloadable freebie, but instead they just stuck to their guns.
Still, at the very least this could be gaming's Ghostbusters 2016 (In that it was not as bad as everyone panned it to be, just very average according to the majority of reviews...) and maybe gain a new underrated following in the future if it ends up CODENAME STEAM cheap....
@Hokanchu Metroid is 30 years old, Mario wasn't even 10 by the time the first Mario Kart came out. Now, if you really want to upset some Mario fans, take a game, put a random guy in it as your main character, now put that random guy in a world that looks like the generic version of the Mushroom Kingdom, and call it a Mario game. Now that will set some fires.
Hitman Go and Tomb Raider Go aren't proper Hitman and Tomb Raider games. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Rumble and Pokemon Shuffle aren't real Pokemon games in the traditional sense as well. Plenty of examples of this for every gaming franchise (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Halo, to name but a few). "Metroid" and "Samus" is what I would call a media franchise. And this release looks pretty good.
Everyone who calls themselves a Nintendo fan here plays chibi games. Mario, Zelda all are 'SD' type characters. Zelda changes styles between games and sometimes you get a 'chibi' Link and sometimes you get a more 'realistic' Link. The venom aimed towards this game I think is very unfair, and it kind of saddens me and makes me feel bad for the developers.
@buildz I wasn't talking about you specifically, just in general.
To all the people who are saying to all the Metroid fans who are rightfully upset by this that this game isn't for them, needs to think why it has the Metroid name. If this Metroid game wasn't made for the Metroid fans, then what's the point of even calling it a Metroid game. Nintendo needs to know that this is not what Metroid fans want. And if that means that the fans have to let Nintendo take this lose, then so be it. Remember people, you can vote with your wallet.
@Yorumi When I think Metroid, I think what I see in Federation Force. It looks more fun than those 2D games where you are lost and don't know where to go. I love co-op games, which this has. Federation Force is going to be a good game, just no one is going to play it to know that.
@MrMario02 As the last 10 years show sales wise, generic space marines sell way better than some chick in a space suit. So they are going in the right direction.
i blame team ninja for screwing up the metroid franchise with the way they handled other m hopefully retro is working on prime 4 for nx
Maybe gamers need to cut this game some slack. What if Nintendo, in an attempt to make Metroid a bigger success and more popular, like Zelda and Mario, decided to make a game that was more appealing to a larger demographic of people. So they came up with Federation Force, a multiplayer 1st person shooter set in the more recent Prime series. Nintendo are a business after all. They need to be flexible and make games that are appealing to more then just a core fan base. I would hate to see the Metroid series disappear altogether because of one spin-off in the series.
This is so vanilla I'm looking for the wafer.
@Camilla Misinformation there buddy. Team Ninja did not ruin Other M. Sakamoto did.
"take a game, put a random guy in it as your main character, now put that random guy in a world that looks like the generic version of the Mushroom Kingdom, and call it a Mario game. Now that will set some fires."
Sounds like the first Wario Land. Excellent game, as I hope Metroid Prime: Federation Force will be.
"all the Metroid fans who are rightfully upset by this"
Yeah, no. Disappointment is the strongest negative feeling that can be rightly felt. There's nothing that justifies feeling upset.
"If this Metroid game wasn't made for the Metroid fans"
They're not making games for fans, they're making games for money.
"Nintendo needs to know that this is not what Metroid fans want."
I'm a fan of the Metroid series, I want this game, it's what I wanted out of a spin off.
"Remember people, you can vote with your wallet."
Day one purchase.
@MrMario02 What would have been good is if one player could have been Samus, and the other three players could have selected from three other badass bounty hunters.
@Camilla Team Ninja was not responsible for most of the issues with Other M.
Sakamoto was the one who wrote the game's storyline, including the questionable way Samus was portrayed, as well as many of the other issues for the game.
I don't know why people blame Team Ninja for the mess that was Other M. Almost every bit of info about that game pretty tells us that Sakamoto was the one who was in charge, had the final say, and was the guy who came up with some of the flaws that dragged that game down.
Blaming Team Ninja for Other's M's flaws is like blaming Namco because Smash 4 does not play like Melee, or is missing characters like Ice Climbers or Wolf.
With the exception of Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing every single Nintendo franchise has taken a step back this gen. 3d mario has gone completely linear, smash botched the single player experience, Mario party is in the tubes, paper Mario is completely anti original ideas and story, etc. Metroid is also getting a mediocre spin off. Call it fan basis but I'm calling a spade a spade. Hopefully the NX will see a return to form as Nintendo really dropped the ball with their franchises this gen.
@Yorumi: I'm not saying that Nintendo's fanbase should roll over and accept everything that's given to them without complaint. I acknowledge that some of their decisions regarding their games and hardware have been questionable. However, I feel that many are jumping the gun in proclaiming that Federation Force is a bad game when they haven't even played it yet. The Hands On article that was posted here some time ago told me enough that the game wasn't for me, but didn't convince me that FF was in any way a horrible game.
If I had judged games based on trailers alone, there are some genuinely great games that I would have missed if I hadn't paid attention to the reactions of those who had played the game (reviews or otherwise). Demos are also helpful for me, and at times are what cause me to become interested in a game or franchise; if i hadn't paid attention to reactions to FE Awakening and played the demo, I wouldn't have gotten into what I now think is a brilliant strategy RPG series.
I have trouble following your statement that if FF sells well, there's a chance that Metroid as we know it is dead. If I had believed a similar thing when Tri Force Heroes was released, I would have written off Breath of the Wild almost instantly (which, to be fair, hasn't yet been released, but we've seen enough demo footage to know that it'll be more than sub-par). What's wrong with a little experimenting? For all we know, Metroid Prime IV or another main series Metroid is in development for the NX as we speak.
You have every right to "vote with your wallet". It's your well-earned money and ultimately your own decision. I just fail to understand why some write off a game simply because it wasn't quite what they had envisioned and won't give it a chance before it's even released to the masses. If the game is genuinely a flop, then time will tell.
@JpGamerGuy90 Did people really love Subspace in Brawl that much? Because it was the most boring mode I played in that game. The story made no sense and the gameplay was an attempt to shoehorn a platform game into a fighting game.
I don't mind a story mode in a future Smash, but it at least needs to be like what Mortal Kombat and Injustice offered. Or at the very least, an arcade mode that has story elements.
But Smash 4's single player modes were fun. Unlike Brawl which screwed up classic mode.
Pre-loaded and all, I'm so ready for this!
I like it
I'm extremely indifferent to Federation Forces. I would have preferred a proper Metroid game, but whatever. I hope we get one soon enough or at least the GBA games on the New 3DS eShop.
@RandomBlue But that's cause it has issues with how it implemented some of the mechanics and changes, and not of the changes itself. I can accept the many, many criticisms on Sticker Star, but NOT because it's not an RPG. I can't accept the many many criticisms on Colour Splash because IT ISN'T OUT YET, and it does fix many of the issues Sticker Star had. (not being an RPG isn't an issue)
@mjhopkins81 I agree, Metroid Prime sucked. Other M was awesome minus some cut scenes. I play games for the gameplay, the story is a bonus. I will never buy a metroid Prime game again.
@beautifulstrong GET OUT! metroid prime series was awesome
@Mr_Zurkon im thinking retro is working on one as we speak crosses fingers for prime 4
@Camilla didn't Nintendo actually say they weren't? I seem to recall someone from Nintendo making a statement that no game was under develeopment, I could be wrong. I always thought that Retro was making one as well since they have been working on some secret project for a while and we still have zero idea what it is.
@Camilla Sorry, it's just that Other M gets no love, and I wish it did! Switching perspectives with the controller was a blast!
Looks like a fun game. Pure and simple.
Nintendo Exec: Boss, we just trashed that Metroid fan game. What's next on our agenda?
Boss: Remind them of the superior Metroid experience, of course! Upload a new Federation Force trailer on the double!
Dear Nintendo, leave Metroid Prime already and never touch it again. Start making 2D Metroid again, that new trailer sucks and doesn't highlight any new worthwhile features.
@Mr_Zurkon retro skipped e3 last year and they been pretty quiet lately and also they did say after they finished their current projects which was tropical freeze they would start working on a new metroid game which im hoping its prime 4
@beautifulstrong im not saying other m was complete garbage it was just disappointing and a very short game and hated having you re abilities being restricted from using them without permission from adam
I really don't understand all the hate. People get a completely new genre not available for the console and complain? The only other shooter available is Ironfall (which personally isn't to my taste), so I am super happy about the game. Right, it isn't Metroid, but it is still related. Maybe it's a prequel to the proper Samus game being in development right now?
I'll definitely give the game a try!
Disliking Federation Force youtube videos is tradition!
This is a day 1 buy for me I already pre ordered it and everything, so glad to see the series is continuing to thrive said NO ONE EVER
This game like Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival is another failed spinoff that has to go through the cycle. It won't sell well and many won't buy it, but I think Nintendo's trying to find the boundaries with it's fans. Star fox zero with bad controls 👎🏼 Metroid Federation Fart 👎🏼 Animal Crossing Monopoly 👎🏼. I think these are moments Nintendo's staff may laugh about one day. Like "hey, remember when we thought we actually could sell that crappy Metroid co op game?" But now Nintendo's experimenting is over and it's time to buckle down with NX, no excuses
Again, another misunderstanding of entitled. Consumers who buy products made by Nintendo (or any other consumer products company) are entitled to a good service and to having their opinions taken into account (or at least the company being skilled enough to give the impression their opinions are listened to when in fact they're not). That service includes a consistent supply of good games and yes, people who have given Nintendo money for entries into a franchise are entitled to feel when they purchase Nintendo hardware that those franchises will be supported.
If that doesn't happen they will take their money elsewhere (to their competitors for example). Nintendos consumers are the only reason they exist. Very few consumer product companies can get away with not listening to their consumers and even fewer with actually publicly stating that they don't listen. Nintendo (or Sony, or MS, or Apple, or Sky TV, or Spotify etc.etc) users who have supported the company with their hard-earned money (even before we get into any emotional aspect) are entitled to high expectations.
If those expectations aren't met they are also entitled to say so on sites like this one, which is where the spurious 'first world problems' comparison comes in. It may be futile but there are many places to discuss the serious problems in the world. This site isn't that place.
@mjhopkins81 So if the Prime series is essentially CoD then is Zelda a fantasy Gears of War?
To me the GC/Wii Prime games are pretty much like sci-fi Zelda games but in first person.
@PK_Boss11 Nah, I think if Federation Force fails then Metroid will go the way of F-Zero.
Federation Force looks pretty good! I understand why people hate it but at least its trying something different unlike something else...
cough cough http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/143/1436436/2661321-0243741876-downl.jpg
Hopefully this is a lesson learned. Dont gimp beloved franchises without offering the real thing beforehand. This and Animal Crossing Board Game Thing can rot in the forgotten abyss of mediocrity forever.
The problem for me is that it's been designed around being a multiplayer game, while I feel that in order to get the sort of atmosphere you want from a Metroid game, it really needs to have been designed around the single player experience.
@mjhopkins81 Are you really comparing one of the highest rated games of all time with 'Call of Duty'?
Seriously, "what's wrong with you?"
Love the Metroid franchise to bits, arguably my favorite Nintendo IP. Absolutely hate the fanbase though, full of so many self-entitled snobby brats. Already got this pre-ordered, can't wait to pick it up and start playing. And no, I'm not joking.
The game looks fun to me, but this trailer just jumps all over the place and seems to lack a real focus.
I don't see this as a true Metroid game. It is more of a spinoff, just like Metroid Blast on Nintendo Land. I love Metroid Blast and I am looking forward to Federation Force. (I would love to see a true Metroid game instead, but I won't hate on this game for that.)
@DragonEleven Remember the Federation squad stuck on Aether? They had to try to survive in hostile territory with no communication and limited supplies, and from the logs you can tell it was a harrowing and scary ordeal. Seems plenty atmospheric despite them being a small group instead of solo.
I think the main problem in this instance was it's reveal at E3. I have sympathy for Next Level , who have made some decent games in the past , but due to the whole backlash will have people ignore or boycott the game just because it's not the Metroid that some people want.
@meleebrawler I never said it wouldn't be atmospheric, only that it wouldn't have the sort of atmosphere you'd want from a proper Metroid game.
In the single player game you're left with nothing but yourself and the environment in near silence... anything that disrupts that is almost certainly a threat... you just don't get that with a group.
I'll wait for the reviews! If there aren't any reviews before the launch, you can bet its a stinker. Nintendo has done this a few times before I think, with recent games. Yoshi's new island is a example, though that game isn't as bad as many think (though it could have been muuuuuch better).
I'm feeling confident we'll be seeing a new 'proper' Metroid at the NX reveal,whether that be 2D or 3D.Nintendo are not daft,they'll have known fine well that releasing FF on its own in the series 30th year was going to receive a lot of internet hate from Metroid fans craving a new 'proper' entry.FF was probably originally intended to just be a fun spin off to release alongside a new 'proper' entry for Wii U,but with Wii U's struggles,the change of course to NX and then it's delay till March,they just haven't been able to show us this new 'proper' entry yet.They've had to let poor FF suffer the consequences of that and hope all will be forgiven when they do finally reveal the new Metroid we all want at the NX reveal next month.That's what I'm going to believe anyway until I'm more than likely let down in the next few weeks..
It looks fun so I may get it. I've had a blast with Blast Ball so far.
@bitleman Exactly it is like comparing the development cost of Bravely Default to Final Fantasy XV. One is a handheld experience that can be made on the cheap (as far as game development is concerned) the other is an AAA title that requires much more development time and budget. The sales of those two franchises cannot be compared and ask why one is more profitable than the other. It is the same way with Pikmin and Metroid. Pikmin is a side project for Miyamoto and his team and is a relatively small budget title to make; Metroid is a far bigger far more expensive endeavor for that requires an almost dedicated studio to pump out for an HD system.
@Wexter Funny you mention that, because there's literally no need for an HD Metroid. In fact, I'd argue that a 2D entry on the 3DS would do much more for the fanbase than rushing a Prime game and slapping a 4 on it. I seriously doubt that a 2D Metroidvania on 3DS needs a higher budget than that of Pikmin 3.
Funny how 1 generation makes all the difference. People were psyched for Metroid Prime Hunters, I view Federation Forces as a spiritual followup to that, albeit with a co-op focus. Now half of you babies are acting like Nintendo murdered your families over this harmless spin-off. It's sickening. Metroid is not mainstream. All its sales figures reflect that. You all got several new titles in a 10 year period, they weren't big hits, so Nintendo shifts focus. That fault is YOURS for not buying them when they were new.
The fact if the matter is, even if Federation Forces was a traditional 2D title, or Prime 4, it would still sell poorly, half of you would still ignore it don't kid yourselves, yet all you entitled babies will come out screaming for better, high-profile titles and more support, but you don't buy them when they're available, the support dries up, focus shifts, and you wonder why the support dries up in the first place! My Hunters example is proof of the 2-faced nature of fans. Tell Nintendo directly what you want, don't waste your time complaining at other users on a fan site with endless debate essays, it's pathetic.
Buying Federation Forces Day 1
Rubbish. I'm savin' all my supah-missiles for Other M 2!!!
@Grumblevolcano Why, if Federation Fart fails which it will and they probably know that, they'll start from scratch in the new Metroid. Metroid hasn't had a Metroid prime home console game in almost a decade, and in today's game world Metroid Prime being the way it was is not a current gen game. So they need to fix somethings in it from Destiny and Halo because they are now the main space shooters.
@Lyokira Sticker star was a huge step back. There are many reasons i didn't enjoy it besides not being an rpg. But, I'll can start with the battle system. It returned to its typical turn based combat (which was nice), and removed all experience points replacing them with coins. This effectively made combat entirely pointless and a waste of time. With buying stickers with coins, and using stickers in combat, there is no incentive to attack anything besides bosses.
And attacking/defeating bosses was incredibly easy once you found powerful stickers and stocked up with what it gives you throughout the world. The only reason you fought bosses was to progress through the story.
And...the story. It was easily one of the most uninspired lazy attempts i have seen. Mario stories are pretty stereotypical (peach kidnap by bowser go save her), but past entries have proven that it can be more than that. Embark on grand adventure, save the world etc. And the worlds were filled with personality and landscapes. It was fun exploring and meeting new characters and gaining new allies with you. It included extra side quests and many new characters to interact with. Sticker star was so generic. It didn't add anything new or try to expand upon itself in any way. Every character is a boring red toad. And the world was dissolved into stages and was no longer open. Not to forget, the almost zero amount of dialogue after the opening scene.
The new game looks like an improvement i can agree with you. Although, I can only see color splash ending up just as mediocre. It kept its horrid combat system and its linear progression (advance through levels). Paper aesthetic looks excellent, but it seems thats all Nintendo believes the series to be. I'm hoping i am wrong and that it's better than my expectations, but I'm not expecting much. It seems mario/luigi has replaced it has the sole rpg.
It looks slow, ugly and I have no need to play MP FPS on a tiny *ss screen. The more videos I watch the less I want to play it.... I might get it when its in bargain bins for a fiver. (which will happen)
@PK_Boss11 Think about the past, Other M flopped and then nothing happened until Federation Force 6 years later.
@EVIL-C Telling off fans for not buying the games they supposedly like is a bit misleading, because, well, they do in fact buy them. The real issue is that they, and a lot of other fanbases think that they are much more numerous than they really are, and whether or not they're aware of this they try to circumvent this by screaming loud and creating the illusion of being widespread.
@Grumblevolcano No matter how backwards-thinking Nintendo might appear to be at times, I don't think they're going to let the future of the franchise hang on the performance of a spin-off title. They are aware of the demand for more classic Metroid games (both 2D and Prime), things just need to align a bit better before new games come to pass.
@Yorumi Hahaa, don't throw stones in a glass house. Quite frankly, YOU come across as the monkeyhole who can't take criticisms.
That being said, sure it's a deviation from the "classic" Metroid formula...but as others have stated, it's not like they shoehorned the game into a whole different genre. It actually expands on the Metroid universe.
This isn't Wacky Metroid Racers, or Metroid Bubble Bop, or even Metroid Warriors (a la Hyrule Warriors). It's a FRICKEN METROID GAME for 3DS that happens to have a multiplayer spin. How do you expect Samus to fit in as a playable character with 2-3 other players. "I want Samus, no I want Samus!" And obviously that would throw the formula off having 3-4 Samus' running around.
I think the controls are very "Prime-ish" and they're are a LOT of recurring enemies and themes.
The arguments about the art style can go both ways. I get why people don't like the "chibi" look. Part of me thinks this was a design choice based on hardware limitations. Look @ Smash Bros 3DS. They chose that art style b/c it DISPLAYED better on 3DS. I think having shorter, mushed "chibi" characters on the screen (and these are just the protagonists, NOT THE ENEMIES) helps preserve screen real estate. It would get REAL HARD to see all the action on the screen with 3-4 full blown, fully-proportioned protagonists running around. It was definitely a design choice.
Plus, a few of you guys on here seem like you would never be pleased with whatever Nintendo did.
@HeroOfTime32 But metroidvania and co-op FPS are in fact different genres. Videogame genres are not only defined by mechanics such as shooting, but by overall structure as well. It's the same reason why Super Metroid isn't a run 'n gun despite the fact that you can run, jump and shoot.
Can someone please explain to me why Zelda has games like Hyrule warriors, triforce heroes, and links cross bow training.
Mario has mario kart, mario party, tennis,soccer, golf, baseball, Luigi's mansion, and even super princess peach.
It's called a spin off. Not a main series game but takes place in that universe.
Metroid Comes out with a spin off and everyone acts like a bunch of spoiled rich kids, cursing out Nintendo and petitioning to stop game development.
Didn't they already have a spin called metroid pinball. Why didn't people lose their minds over that one?
People bash the game before they even play it. Cry babies.
@MarcelRguez So are you implying that the Prime games weren't true to the series??? I honestly feel like they were 75% exploration / 25% shooting. It had its moments where the action cranked up pretty good.
Looking @ Federation Force... how can we judge it yet, without playing it?? I'm sure that if it has Metroid Prime branded on it, it will have some exploration/puzzle elements. This one might lean a little heavier on the action/shooting sequences, but that doesn't imply that it's not a Metroid game.
@EVIL-C Amen. Very well said.
@Grandpa_Pixel they aren't trying anything new. Co-op games have been around for a long time. They've just advertised the game poorly as usual. All they've done is talk about the 4 player mechanic and blast ball, think of it like only being able to sample the icing on a cake but not the cake itself. Like who is main villain threatening the piece of space, is there even one? Why are we playing as federation robots, is something happening to the federation? If Nintendo wants to sell this game fine just tell us about the game itself not just mechanics implemented for this spin off in the series. The other complaint about the chibification of the characters well, it's most likely because other 3ds games were capable of working with full bodied character models so Nintendo's excuse doesn't work.
@HeroOfTime32 No, because the Prime series was still a metroidvania at its core, despite the perspective. I'd argue that it lost some things in the transition (platforming being the most obvious thing), but that's besides the point. And if the Prime series were 75% exploration, 25% shooting, then MPFF doesn't qualify as a Prime game for obvious reasons. Just pointing that out.
We can judge the game based on two thing: the Blast Ball demo and the tons of gameplay footage from both the Treehouse and people like GameXplain. We've seen different missions too, it's not like we've just seen one single level of the game. There's no reason to assume the rest of the game will be different from what we've already seen, or Nintendo would have used such footage for damage control.
Besides that, having more action-oriented segments doesn't disqualify the game as a Metroid game. Previous games like Fusion and Corruption have lots of action sequences and boss fights, but they're still Metroid games, as you said. They're considered to be kind of weak for that fact and for being a tad bit more linear than usual, but they're Metroid games nonetheless.
The problem is, Federation Force places its main focus on action, not exploration. That's something no other game in the series has done before, not even Hunters. And there's nothing wrong with that, really, but as others have pointed out, the lack of a regular Metroid title makes this title harder to accept at face value.
@HeroOfTime32 Well then can you tell me the game's story Nintendo doesn't seem to want to, that's the only thing holding me back. All I know is you and some friends play as some faceless nameless federation soldiers(or robots) and fight aliens. I have seen no sign of a plot besides go do missions. This game has been nothing but confusion right out the gate. "The Universe isn't at peace" who's responsible for that, is this a story about the federation?
@MarcelRguez Okay, I can respect what you're saying. I will say however, that I'm reserving too much judgement until I've sat down and given it a proper play through.
But also, I will agree with you about Nintendo dropping this on us after a 6-yr hiatus. Still... it's not that bad guys.
@HazyBean Nowhere did I mention anything about story.
The producer has mentioned he wanted to use this game as an opportunity to expand on the Metroid universe. So I'm sure there will be some backstory/lore to the game.
It's not going to be as mindless of a game as you're thinking it is, but maybe not as deep as others though.
@HazyBean "it's most likely because other 3ds games were capable of working with full bodied character models so Nintendo's excuse doesn't work."
Yeah, but they weren't 4-player SHOOTERS. Read my post above about why this likely was. Somewhere, you've got to preserve screen real estate for the actual gameplay when there's 4 of you running around.
Enemies seem to be full size, so no issue there. I think this also helps differentiate good/bad guys.
Definitely a design choice based on hardware limitations (more-so the screen aspect, less graphical output). I don't think 3DS horsepower was what drove this decision.
Watch the language people.
@HeroOfTime32 I hope you're right, I've never gotten into metroid and want to try it. I don't know why they're keeping that aspect of Federation Force a mystery. I feel like they'd get less hate if they'd tell us something, there was not much context in that little trailer. I did notice the alien soldiers and ships but that's it I don't know if they're important.
@Joeynator3000 Sorry about that. Thanks for the edit
@HeroOfTime32 In my opinion, it's that bad in the eyes of some people because Nintendo has been catering to the wider demographic of its fanbase very strongly this generation. Both 3DS and Wii U have tons of Mario and Zelda games (especially Zelda, what the heck), but not much of its other classic franchises. I love those series, don't get me wrong, but I still need things like Advance Wars, F-Zero and the like. Nintendo pushed such franchises very strongly through the 6th gen, but they've kinda faded away since then.
Also, both Mario and Zelda have dropped their focus on exploration (in Skyward Sword and 3D World respectively), so the people interested in such aspects have less options to satisfy that. XCX helped big time, and BotW seems like a gigantic step in the right direction, so I'm not too worried about the future. Still, for people like me, Metroid also holds a symbolic value among the rest of Nintendo's IPs as the representative of the less popular side of the company, and it feels like that side has been somewhat neglected recently.
@HazyBean If you want to get into the series, I'd advise you to start with Zero Mission if you can. It's as linear as you want it to be, the first chapter in the series' timeline and a great game overall.
@HeroOfTime32 I dunno if being a shooter shouldn't affect it. I mean Monster Hunter Generations is also 4 player co-op. I think since it has a lock on feature screen real estate wouldn't be an issue.
@MarcelRguez I can understand that exploration tends to be a major factor for me these. Take that away and I'll get bored, might be why I got bored with SM3DL after 4 worlds, worst I forced myself to finish it since I paid for it with my own money. There were times I opened the game and closed it without playing a single level
@MarcelRguez I'm not sure if I need it to be linear, i just need to know what it's about. I don't buy games if I don't know what it's about
@MarcelRguez I think that's more understandable when you look at the situation Nintendo found themselves in this gen.
When you've got a system that is by most standards, a flop...you've gotta bring out your heavy hitters. I imagine if there were 3rd parties present to leverage the development efforts, we would potentially see more "niche" IP's.
It's an unfortunate situation though. I'll agree. I'm a little tired of the same formulas that have be recurring lately, especially in the vein of Mario re-hashes.
But I'll give Nintendo credit, they have been trying to shake things up a little bit. Let's look @ Zelda. Link Between Worlds completely changed the conventional approach while still maintaining the LTTP charm. And although not everyone liked it, I liked the stew out of Triforce Heroes (when the internet connection worked). Now looking @ Breath of the Wild... that's completely different. For better or for worse, we'll see. I think it looks great so far though.
Moving onto Mario. They may be considered great games...but I'm tired of New Super Mario Bros. X, Y, Z or whatever iteration they choose next. I'll give them credit though on Super Mario Maker. I really never thought they'd give that kind of freedom to fans for such a popular, and very well-regulated IP. They tend to not like to see unintentional conventions broken on their IP's. So I'm sure the thought of a 1,000 koopas on the screen at once took some time to get used to for them. I remember an article discussing that in Zelda development of the past... if a puzzle was solved more than one way, it was considered "broken". They've definitely loosened up the reigns some on game & level design lately with their games. I'm hoping this translates into the next main-series Mario (hopefully 3D platformer & not 2D).
Even Federation Force is them trying something new.
It's funny. Sometime Nintendo re-hashes and sticks with the same conventions, because fans clamor for that. Sometimes fans say "WHY THE SAME OLD CRAP??". Okay, so then Nintendo mixes things up and changes formulas with games. Sometimes it works out and is praised as innovative and revolutionary, other times (in the case with this game, Federation Force), it gets absolutely slammed by the community.
I will boil it down to one thing. The Nintendo gamer base can be hard to please sometimes (although in some instances, they are 100% justified, but not all). But I do trust that Nintendo knows how to take care of their IP's (case in point, so many are still alive today), and I also trust that Nintendo has definitely created a new growth plan moving forward. They've been doing so much restructuring lately.
There's a lot more to the story than we all know. NX will be the surprise party for us all (I HOPE TO GOD IT IS... please Nintendo?)
@HazyBean Then you'll love ZM. It's very open, but you can still follow the waypoints the game uses to guide you if you wish to do so or if you lose your way.
In terms of non-linearity, Super > Metroid > Zero Mission > Metroid 2 > Fusion. The Prime series is more of a toss-up, but Corruption is definitely the more linear experience. And since Zero Mission established the whole series, might as well start with that one if you're interested in the plot.
@HeroOfTime32 I understand perfectly well why they put the focus on those two franchises, but I can't accept that as an excuse. They shouldn't have created a situation in which they had to resort to their key franchises to save their consoles to begin with. But yeah, I agree with everything you mentioned about shaking things up with those series (which honestly speaking, they really needed it). That's why I mention I'm not too worried about the future, I like the direction they seem to be going. Besides that, as long as they're making games like Xenoblade or A Link Between Worlds (and securing exclusives such as Monster Hunter and Bayonetta 2) I'll keep supporting their hardware.
About innovation, I don't think it's that confusing. Series that haven't had a game in years can get away with releasing a very similar game to its prequels, like Pikmin 3. That's why I think that famous quote of Miyamoto about F-Zero is nonsense, people are going to be happy to get another title no matter if it reinvents the wheel or not. Other franchises that get new entries frequently, like Pokémon or NSMB, do need to shake things up more often with each installment. People want that sweet-spot of familiarity with elements of novelty, and I don't think it's that difficult of a thing to understand. Creating something like that, on the other hand, I think is a pretty difficult task. More so than making radically different games like Amiibo Festival and yes, Federation Force.
I'm optimistic about the NX. Nintendo is at its best when cornered, and their studios have been working on the new titles for a while now. I can't wait to see their planned games.
@MarcelRguez oh god... did you have to bring up Amiibo Festival??
But great thoughts. Very refreshing to hear well-articulated points.
I especially like the point about when Nintendo's back is up against the wall, cuz well, it's true!
And yes, unlike other companies who can get away with release after release after release... Nintendo does have to walk that fine line between familiarity & freshness. Although sometimes, they walk the "fresh" line a little too aggressively. At least I feel that sometimes corporate decisions are dictated by that side of the line more times than the other side (case with F-Zero/Shiggy quote).
@MarcelRguez Amiibo Festival? well that's an entirely different thing than Federation Force. It was well Animal Crossing combined with Mario Party. They were better off giving us a main entry Animal Crossing with amiibo functionality. I'd buy AC amiibo like crazy if I had the money, it'd make it easier to get my fave villagers and maybe some amiibo could trigger events. Also could you imagine what towns would be like on Wii U, they'd be just gorgeous. I think they should make one for NX with the happy home academy features and then some
@HeroOfTime32 Why, thank you. I'm trying to understand all points of view involved in things like these, including Nintendo's. And "walking the fresh line too aggresively" should be Nintendo's motto, lol.
@Grumblevolcano Yeah other M did suck, but I can say the same about Star Fox Zero. No it wasn't as good as we'd hoped but it still revived the series and will allow future Star Fox games to release. With that in mind, now Nintendo knows what we expect from a modern day Star Fox game, and same will occur with Metroid
@mjhopkins81 Did you just compare Metroid Prime to CoD?... A series that began after Metroid Prime? They are nothing alike. At all. Has to be one of the Nibelsnarfing dumbest things I ever read.
@HazyBean Well we do have a main series Animal Crossing with amiibo support, New Leaf as of this fall via free update.
I can understand the dislikes. It's like if Tingle's Rosy Rupee Land was the only recent Zelda game, I'd be very displeased as well
@Grumblevolcano I know!!! I need to rebuy it and get a nn3ds...I need to buy a lot games tbh
@Syrek24 I forgot to mention as well, by pointing these things out, it makes you the bad guy...lol
The good news: Nintendo isn't marketing Blast Ball like it's a major feature, an amazing feature, or the main feature, of the game anymore.
The bad news, Halo with Chibi characters?
I'm not sure if Nintnedo just has a disconnect with their audience, or just insists on attempting to make games for an audience they don't have, or both.
That's a funny post. You somehow can't see the difference between Mario and Metroid that has fans annoyed. But still spit petulance, swear words and call other people 'cry baby's. The irony.
Wow. You're all over the place there. The Hunters comparison is bizarre given that Hunters was released between Main Series games. The one thing fans are asking for. Then you blame Metroid fans for not buying enough copies of Metroid. Even though they clearly will be the people who did buy them. Then to round it off you lecture other users of a Nintendo fan site about what Nintendo-related issues they can and can't discuss.
I don't even care about Federation Force but I hope this discussion continues. It's comedy gold.
@EVIL-C Nice one...
Also, what was the end result of that petition?
Well gee, if only I'd specifically mentioned 2D Metroid games which are relatively cheap to make. Oh wait, I did.
By any sales metric I can find, Pikmin 1 is the best selling game in that series, and it's outsold by the original Metroid, Metroid 2, Prime, Prime 3, and Fusion. You'll note that most of those are 2D games. They do NOT need a big budget. In fact, I'd estimate the budget of any of those 2D games is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than that of Pikmin 3, with all of its HD models and textures.
Personally, I'll be buying it. It seems like it will be a really fun game.
With that said, I have the same gripe as everyone else: It's still not the traditional Metroid game that we've all been begging for. If there isn't a new traditional Metroid game currently in the works, then FF is seriously just a giant middle finger to the fans, even if it ends up being a good game. You can't leave a great franchise like Metroid out to dry for 6 years and then only give us a spinoff game. That's just mean.
Christ, this comment section...let me just say something as someone who has never really been that into Metroid before: I personally believe that Metroid fans have every right to be a bit pi$$ed off. Do some of them take it a bit too far? Of course! I'm honestly surprised someone thought the petition to get this game cancelled would work. However, think of it this way: imagine that there's this series you really enjoy. Now, the last game wasn't really that great, but hey! I'm sure they'll make the next one better! Then you end up waiting 5 years to get a new installment completely in the dark, with no news whatsoever. The 25th anniversary is completely ignored. And when Nintendo DOES make a new installment, it's not even a main-series entry; it's a spin-off that doesn't look a whole like the series you enjoy. I'm telling you right now, if there was an actual mainline Metroid game being released alongside FedForce, there wouldn't be half as much backlash. You know why people didn't go ape**** over Pinball or Hunters? Because Metroid hasn't been completely ignored for years at that point. It was actually getting games. What makes this worse is that Federation Force was in development since 2009, so it's looking like Nintendo didn't so much as even THINK about making a new mainline Metroid game in the past 6 years. That's pretty bad. And then you've got the fact that they completely ignored the series 30th anniversary, so it got ignored twice. They didn't announce some special game, they didn't do a sale on the eshop, they didn't so much as tweet about it. And then you've got them taking down the Metroid II Remake...on the same day as the anniversary. I know that Nintendo has every right to protect their ips, HOWEVER, the fact that they did jack-all for the anniversary, yet wasted no time in going after a passion project that someone worked on for roughly a decade simply out of love for the series is just asking for bad pr. It was basically creating some bad blood with a fanbase that they already have bad blood with because of their incompetence. Oh, and as for some of you people defending this game, if you're looking forward to it, that's fine...as long as you're being reasonable and allowing others to be the opposite. For those who aren't in that category (and this includes some of the defenders I've seen in this comment section), and are simply trying to shut down people who are dissapointed and calling the Metroid fanbase "ungrateful", I'm calling it right now: some of you aren't even going to buy this game. You're just defending it because you can't handle Nintendo receiving even the tiniest bit of criticism. Not only that, BUT, if this were a third-party game, some of you wouldn't be as forgiving. So, yeah. Those are just my two cents. Oh, and one more thing: for those who want people to shut up because "they should vote with their wallet", while that method is a good one, that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to voice their criticisms. Otherwise, Nintendo could potentially get the wrong message and take the bad sales (lets be honest, this game is gonna bomb) as "we don't want Metroid anymore".
@MarcelRguez I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time the point I'm making is comparing the two is crazy. One is a side-project that took an almost 10 year hiatus between releases (outside of a few quick and dirty Wii ports) the other is a massive exploration title that requires far more resources to make. That and would fans really be satisfied with a sprite-based Metroid title released at retail? Odds are only the die-hards, everyone else would just call it a tired retread cashing in nostalgia (that unless it was SNK level sprite work and that is also very expensive to do to the point that even SNK is nolonger doing that kind of work).
@BLD note the above.
@HeroOfTime32 "Part of me thinks this was a design choice based on hardware limitations"
funnily enough that's what the director said on the eshop video.
@WiltonRoots well there ya go!!
The problem here is that EVERYONE who buys and plays Nintendo has wanted Metroid Prime to return in the next gen as it represents one of Nintendo's strongent IPs and some of the greatest games they've ever released.
They've ignored all that and released something that looks like the fisher price "little heroes" Toy range version of metroid prime and...... It sucks.
Nobody wants it.
It may very well be a solid and quality title, but it looks .... Garbage and couldn't be further from what fans of the series want and/or expect.
Maybe it's just time to let Metriod go. The games don't sell, no one at Nintendo wants to work on or with the IP, and even when they try to do something different with the IP the Hardcore fan base gets upset because it's not what THEY want. I'm sure if the day they announced the NX and the trailer showed the words "Metriod: Prime 4", there would be more outrage then rejoice.
@NintendoFan64 I pretty much agree with everything you just said.
The best part about it is we DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY PLAY IT!
I think what this was meant to be in a parallel universe was the next 2D Metroid with 3D
@NintendoFan64 10/10 post.
@Wexter I don't know, man. Lots of people seemed to be psyched about AM2R and, while I love that classic spritework to death, it's nothing really extraordinary by today's standards. Besides, they could always use vectorial art or 2.5D instead of pixel-art sprites. Cheaper and faster.
@Uzuki Outrage? Once people would actually get what they want?
@Uzuki Axiom Verge already prove that there are still fans who are willing to play another true Metroid game. Nobody wants Federation Force not because it's different but because the game lacks the pristine quality and charm of what a Metroid game is. To anyone who are planning to get Federation Force, buy it but don't buy it new. Buy it used, buying the game new means you like the game and are willing to pay Nintendo for this kind of junk thus sending them the wrong message that even with low quality titles like this you give them money anyways. Don't do it, don't buy it, if not enough people buy it, then they'll know that many people don't like it and will stop making these type of awful spinoffs which they could go back to start focusing on the main Metroid games again.
It's not the metroid game we deserve, but it's the metroid game we need right now. I'll still support Nintendo and buy it because I want them to make more Metroid games.
Would it had fare better if it wasn't branded as a Metroid game, but instead a new IP or something else?
Because people are invalidating this just because it has Metroid on it's name and it's not the game they wanted.
@NintendoFan64 I've been a fan of Metroid for almost my whole life (since I was about 5 years old) since my parents got me and my brother Super metroid. I'm 26 years now, and I can tell you that Nintendo does ignore my favourite franchise a lot, but... Go and check youtube and read most of the comments here. Some are legit concerns that I also share, but many, many of them are just hate and assumptions about this game, calling it mediocre before it's even out. I really dislike fanboys, but look at the people defending the game and their posts. Most of them aren't nintendo fanboys, they are just tired of all the hate and negativity this game gets in every article. We get it, they don't like it, they THINK (not know as they assure) it's bad, and they are in all their right to feel that way but honestly this response is extreme. As a metroid fan I think that it's pretty clear this game won't be very well received, and that's ok, but if they really love this franchise they shouldn't make the sales abismal, which they will accomplish because this negativity will discourage all of the few interested people in this game and Nintendo will simply decide that it's just too much problem to satisfy the metroid franchise and that it isn't that profitable in the first place.
The people that think that all metroid games will be like this if this succeeds are crazy. This game needs to be extremely popular for that to happen and at this point it's obvious that it won't, so why keep it? Do you seriously think that Nintendo isn't aware of the negative response of the fandom and that they want a metroid focused on the solo experience and exploration as always by now? There's a big difference bewteen criticism and plain hate.
Also, there are some people saying that this game has anything to do with Metroid. It keeps the metroid prime gameplay and it's obviously placed in the Metroid universe. This kind of thing isn't subjective, it has to do with Metroid simply because the devs decided so and they chose to include creatures and lore from that franchise. Simple as that, like it or not. Yes, the focus of the game is quite different, that's a reality, but it doesn't change that fact. I understand that focusing on multiplayer and missions is quite different and that many aren't interested, but this isn't a Metroid "Samus" game, this is a game about the Federation and it does make sense. There's no reason to just have one type of gameplay in a whole franchise.
@mjhopkins81 What an ignorant way to describe the Prime series, they weren't more action oriented than the "mario: zebes" games you love, don't get me wrong I love 2D metroids just as much as i love prime. Prime was a great example of how a series like metroic could fit into another mold and it worked. Calling it "Call of duty" is giving the call of duty series too much credit.
"But now, nothing seems to make sense at all. Quality dropped sharply with the wiiU, we get weird things like amiibo scam instead of a real animal crossing."
A "real" Animal Crossing game came out on 3DS already, why rush out a console port like they did with City Folk? That sounds awful and would definitely get fans riled, if it's just New Leaf but minus portability.
"Metroid disappears, and comes back with a spinoff(we hope, for all we know this is the future of metroid)."
These are assumptions, why do this slippery slope stuff?
"E3 2015(right? they're all running together) seemed almost designed to piss off fans. "
A company would never actually do that though, it's just that people always get hyped for E3 and get unhyped when they turn out uneventful, even though Nintendo made Directs for the reason of spreading the love throughout the year instead of just in one point.
"They were so concerned we would think they were getting out of consoles that they've been drip feeding us rumors and speculation for a year and a half now but have no concern for metroid fans. If rumors are true they abandoned the wiiU for the wiiU but portable? So hey everyone buy a new console that's the same as the one you have and buy all your games over again."
Console sales are low, they can't really tell why, or feel it's too late. They don't HAVE to make a Wii U Metroid game, and you don't HAVE to buy a new system if one appears on NX.
You gotta chill and realize that it's a spin off. Don't like it? I respect that, and have my own opinion. Thinking it'll die off or that it spells the end of anything? Nah man, that's too much to try to guess. I'm no Nintendrone or nothin', I just try to be reasonable and think about the why. Nintendo's having a rough time, and if they can't handle it, welp. Doom-singing doesn't help things, though. Vote with your wallet, sure, but try to understand please, why others might want it, or why it was made at all.
@roy130390 Fair enough point. There are some people who take things too far (as I said in the beginning of my post). I was simply pointing out for some that there are actual reasons for Metroid fans to be upset.
@MarcelRguez The thing about AM2R and Nintendo is different expectations. AM2R is a independent developer as such him, Yacht Club, Wayforward and others are held to a different standard. I know myself that unless it had a cool twist like Mario Maker or an eShop title I would be disappointed. Also there could be a situation where if a new 2D sprite-based Metroid was announced people would also complain because they would feel Metroid is being shafted as it is not a "retail" title, or if it was a 2D sprite-based Metroid some would still complain because it would carry a retail price-tag and that they can get Super Metroid or Zero Mission for cheaper on the eShop. It would be a damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If it were a 2.5D title like Donkey Kong Country: Returns/Tropical Freeze then it might be a entirely different scenario.
@Wexter I can see all those things happening, but I can also see the opposite scenario, easily. Given how many indie games metroidvania fans play, I seriously doubt that they'd be picky about the artstyle. At this point, the people that still care for that style of games are more likely purists. As long as the game is good, I don't think that matters that much. That's just my perception of the issue, though, I don't have much ground to stand on.
@Yorumi It's a Metroid game clear as day. No one complains when Nintendo names something, "Mario Tennis," or "Diddy Kong Racing" or "Mario & Sonic at the Olympics" and they have nothing to do with the 2D Platform style that the franchise started with.
No "Metroid" fans cried out when it was a mini game in Nintendo Land. But that wasn't a 2D platformer.
This is the best Metroid game created in the last 5 years. Play it, or don't complain when you don't see another one for 10 years. It's got online, it's got co-op, it's got vs. What more do you need?
You entitled people make gamers look like babies.
@MarcelRguez I agree, I can see that happening as well. I'm excited to see what happens next in the franchise if a new 2D title or 3D Prime game gets announced for NX or whatever Nintendo is cooking (I'm sure the Wii U situation did have something to do with why it has taken so long to get a console Metroid).
I might pickup FF because ever since Prime 2, I have always wanted to learn more about the Federation and how they handle things.
@Wexter Same here. Personally, I think they might go with another non-Prime 3D game, since Sakamoto and Retro don't seem too willing to go back to the franchise.
About Federation Force, I would have picked it up if the execution was less shoddy. I've seen people claiming for a Republic Commando-like FPS set in the Metroid universe since the GameCube days, and I'm all up for the idea. I can't see Federation Force as anything but a wasted oportunity.
@XCWarrior How many times does it need to be said? There has never been a 6 year gap between mainline Mario titles. Besides, everyone was sick and tired of all the mediocre DK spin-offs Nintendo was releasing during the 6th gen. Returns is so beloved in part due to that fact.
And saying that this is the best Metroid game created in the last 5 years is not saying much. There hasn't been any competition. Still looks bad to me, even when you strip it out of every Metroid element.
Play it, or don't complain when you don't see another one for 10 years
This is beyond reason. If Nintendo isn't interested in making what the fans want, then they won't get our money. That's not entitlement, that's voting with our wallet. The consumer calls the shots here. If for whatever reason they can't make a regular installment, then I'll gladly let the franchise go. I have no interest in wasting my money in a game that doesn't interest me in the slightest, especially if Nintendo puts the vitality of the franchise behind its sales. Not to mention, gaming is a very competitive market. I have plenty of other options besides Nintendo.
Nintendo's userbase keeps shrinking because they keep screwing their franchises up in the hope of striking gold, and this game is a perfect example of this. They should be putting out good games instead of spin-off titles that try to grab people who have no interest in the franchise to begin with.
@MarcelRguez The Metroid userbase has no clue what it wants. Nintendo fans in general have no clue what they want. Nintendo knows how to make better video games than you do. If you disagree, download Unity and get cracking. Or apply for a job at Nintendo and say you know what is going to sell a million copies.
Nintendo's userbase is shrinking because of the WiiU, mobile gaming, and people want guns, guns and more guns. And if there something Nintendo refuses to dabble in, its real guns. And sex. Gamers want sex. And Nintendo doesn't do sex. And just to make that clear, they are trying to avoid using Samus, their best sex object, as much as possible.
@MarcelRguez I'm more interested in it due to the lore. But, it is Next Level so I'm sure it will play well, just the visuals are bleh to me.
@XCWarrior Nice to see you regurgitate corporate speak, especially with no critical eye on it. Of course consumers know what they want to see in a product. That sentence you wrote often gets misunderstood as "corporations know what you want better than you do", when in reality means "corporations are there to know what you want before you know you want it". To discredit the consumers opinion like that falls very much in line with the anti-consumer tactics that are so prevalent in the videogame industry. By supporting that, you're quite literally being part of the problem.
The rest of your post has little to do with older fans leaving, so I won't bother.
@MarcelRguez The Prime series is held in high regard, but it Prime 3 on Wii only sold like 1.3 million. I see defenders say it had a low stock, but if it would have sold out, Nintendo would have printed more.
It's a B or C tier Nintendo franchise a niche group of fans hold dear. I get that, I'm in that camp with Star Fox. Was Zero everything I wanted it to be? No, but it's still a fun game.
And I bet Federation Force is too. Problem is, very few people are going to find that out.
Fans leave because Nintendo won't accept America's hardcore culture. They try to toe that line between being for the family and for the core, but you can't do that. Pick one and go with it. We'll see with NX what that choice will be.
And you are getting a launch title Metroid game on NX, so you better at least buy that.
@XCWarrior Still don't get the point you're making by pointing out the obvious. You're not telling me anything new, and I'm not seeing the argument you're making in those paragraphs.
I do see the point in the one about NoA's image, but I think that's just their marketing campaigns backfiring on them. Nintendo has always been a family friendly company. They tried to establish themselves like something they're not in the West and people saw right through that with time.
If you have any source about that last claim, I'd love to see that. Retro is probably working on either a new IP or a Kid Icarus entry, if recent rumors are anything to go by. Tanabe is busy with Federation Force and has confirmed there will be no Prime game until 2018 at the very least. Sakamoto oversees the 2D games and he isn't interested in making complex games anymore. The only possibility is that another studio is handling a non-Prime 3D Metroid title, which I have heard nothing about.
@Yorumi Did you even read what I said? Or did you mean to quote someone else?? Because that sounds almost like bait.
People are allowed to believe whatever they want about E3, and I know I also felt disappointed, but that was mostly from lack of games shown in general that year. Wooly World ended up good, and Mario Maker as well. I STILL stand by the belief that it was too soon for any other Animal Crossing mainline games since New Leaf took YEARS and just barely came out. Didn't like Amiibo Festival, but really liked Happy Home Designer. Rest of the stuff didn't appeal to me, really.
Forgetting Metroid for a sec, if a new game just recently came out, and there had NEVER been a spinoff for the series, why would it be bad to make one, especially since the developers themselves wanted to? AC on Wii U would be overkill, but nah let's just tire people out of the series and repeat the sales of City Folk again, right? No.
What they learned is that they gotta release a console with games already out during release, instead of just announced for the future. That and the timing of the tablet were part of the big problem they had with it. And the Paper Mario thing is STILL just the slippery slope stuff again, and happened because Miyamoto does not know what Paper Mario gave that people liked. Metroid barely gets any Miyamoto action, so come on bruh. I'm not even trying to say you shouldn't judge Nintendo, just that being extreme about it is crazy. Thinking ANY company would willingly try to ruin a franchise is tinfoil hat stuff. They just messed up, and because they keep messing up, many are holding off from buying much from them now thankfully, which gives them a chance to rethink things.
Would be nice if you calmed the emotions down so you could clearly state something without that negative tone, because it really does not make me want to reply, especially if I'm trying to speak respectfully. Please consider this, pal.
I wish people would stop using "metroidvania"
to describe a metroid game. Everytime I read that, I feel embarrassed for whomever wrote it!
@Yorumi wow sharing an opinion seriously
Going to be buying it in one week when the European release finally appears. Quite dumb that they did not release it at the same time in America and Europe. 10 years of development and all.
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