Square Enix got ahead of itself last year when it confirmed that Dragon Quest XI would be coming to the NX before quickly having to state that it was merely "considering launching" on the platform.
Now, the company has confirmed categorically that the latest entry in the popular JRPG franchise will indeed arrive on Nintendo's new machine.
In a Nintendo Dream interview with Dragon Quest series creator Yuji Horii, Pokémon series producer Junichi Masuda and Super Smash Bros. series director Masahiro Sakurai, Horii removed any doubt from the situation by stating that Dragon Quest XI was indeed NX-bound:
Masahiro Sakurai: Well then, I would like to ask about each of your new games. First, Dragon Quest XI. The 11th installment in the series will be released simultaneously on Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation 4, and including NX it's coming out on three platforms, right?
Yuji Horii: That's right. The use of hardware is different for each system, so it's quite a challenge.
Horii then went on to explain the technical challenge of creating a game for so many different platforms:
Horii: However, we're making the 3DS version in both 3D and 2D. I asked my staff, "Is that something we can do?" And they said, "We'll do it." So we decided, "then let's do it."
Junichi Masuda: I get the feeling that means there will be four versions across three platforms then, yeah?
Horii: That's right. There are a lot of difficulties because of that. Each one has a different look to it, and there's also a PlayStation 4 version, so if we make a small fix then we have to fix it across every version.
It would seem that we'll be playing Dragon Quest XI quite soon after the launch of the NX. The console is expected to arrive in March 2017, while Square Enix has stated that its JRPG will launch before May 27th 2017.
Horii says that he wants all versions to launch at the same time:
Sakurai: I see. Including things like the release date, it gets dreadful when development is inevitably drawn out and the debugging piles up… But shifting away from the release date, they're not going to be released apart from each other, right? Since Dragon Quest games are story-driven.
Horii: That's right. Spoilers will emerge if we release one version earlier. (Laughs.) However, we're a little concerned about the sense of distance in movement. It's different for each of the supported hardware.
Sakurai: Oh, is that so?
Horii: The movement in the 2D of the 3DS version, and the movement in the 3D of the 3DS version and the PlayStation 4 version definitely feels different when it's in action. However, there are concerns when making several versions at the same time, and to that extent it's difficult, so we're making the game to the best of our ability.
Sakurai: I made Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U at the same time, but it was nevertheless difficult. Since you're making it for hardware from different companies, I would think that it's even more difficult, so please by all means do your best.
Horii: Indeed. All of the staff is working very hard, so please look forward to it.
Of course, it's unlikely that we'll get the game in the west at the same time as Japan - we usually have to wait a while for a localised version. Still, this is a confirmation that's worth getting excited about, and once again hints at NX offering visual parity with the PS4.
Yeah, I'm not buying that Android guts rumor
How many times are they going to confirm this?
Plot twist: it's a port of the 3DS version.
In all seriousness, what I understand from this is that the NX is (at least) either slightly less or slightly more powerful than the regular PS4. Different enough to consider a DQXI port something more complex than a 1:1 conversion. Either that or the're talking about implementing hardware-specific features, which I wouldn't be against.
@Dakt Exactly. Nowhere does it suggest that the NX version will be based on the PS4 version. In fact, they explicitly state that all 3 versions are different.
Please lower expectations, NL 😉
I'm all hyped for Dragon Quest XI, definitely a Nintendo NX system seller for this person! The Nintendo NX may finally give the Dragon Quest series the push in the west it deserves!
Hmm, well I was previously (fairly) certain that DQXI's presence on NX more or less confirmed the console's parity with PS4/XBO since developing a third version of the game for a different graphical spec (especially if we're talking PS3/360/WiiU graphics) if likely to be stupidly expensive with little chance of turning a profit against it. Guess I forgot to factor in Squenix's deep pockets and willingness to throw all the money in the world at their projects haha.
Gonna peg this one up with the Tegra X1 rumour as an indication of the NX having closer to Wii U power under the hood. Guess we'll wait and see.
@Dakt Yeah I don't think the author of the article read the quotes he posted. They talk about it as if it's a completely different game than the 3ds and PS4 versions. The quotes say each game looks different, and you move differently.
Doesn't mean the NX will be able to produce PS4 level graphics, wouldn't be the first time the Nintendo port of a game looks significantly worse than the versions of the Microsoft and Sony consoles
I plan on getting the NX at launch, but the 3DS version seems like it'll be the way to go after watching both versions in action (I'm assuming here that the NX version will be similar to the PS4's). Really neat that you get the 3D and 2D modes simultaneously so you can kind of swing the camera around while keeping the overall perspective grounded by looking at the bottom screen. Not to mention I imagine it should cost less which is always nice.
@jbopatrick No. The quotes say the 3D versions (PS4, 3DS) move differently compared to the 2D one (3DS). There's nothing about the NX in that quote. If the PS4 and 3DS versions control the same despite the huge power gap, then the NX's version will control the same.
For the best or the worst this gonna be a unique game when it will launch, it's not just a multiplatform thing, it sound like they made the game and 3 different remakes of it all at once! XD
'Each one has a different look to it, and there's also a PlayStation 4 version'
'The use of hardware is different for each system, so it's quite a challenge'
If anything, this sounds very much like NX won't boast visual parity with PS4.
I'm ready to see the nx now, please Nintendo? Just reveal it already and let's not give a week long heads up for an nx direct, the wait would be more torture than it already is!
@Ignatius_Cheese I'd be happy with the 2d version only from the 3ds version, I'm old so I like the old school style RPGs.
Until the NX is reveal, my interest for any games for that system at this point would be moot. Hopefully the NX shows itself by October.
Let's compare between Xenoblade Chronicles Wii version and 3DS version. I think Dragon Quest XI for NX version has possibility looks better than 3DS version. Maybe it won't be an ordinary port.
His comments are certainly interesting.
Sounds like the NX version will boast worse visuals than Ps4 at least. If not that, it sounds like it'll make use of a different art-style.
I like that they're making different versions for each system though. Pretty interesting (and ambitious) idea.
Do we now officially have more 3rd party games "confirmed" for NX than 1st party?
1st party - Zelda Wild
3rd party - Just Dance, DQXI
Guess Ninteod will be boasting an unprecedented level of 3rd party support at the NX unveiling. Whenever, ya, know, they get around to it.
Have there ever been so many confirmed games for a console that we didn't even know if it was a home or handheld before? I know Sony showed off a ton of PS4 games before showing us the console, but we all knew it was a home console.
Oh, and I'd like to join the chorus of - "what has the Ntinedo life staff been smoking?" The same author of this article, saying NX will be on parity w/ PS4, wrote in length about how NX will be using Tegra, even boosting a pic of a handheld device in the middle:
Rumours confirm a handheld, but the dev telling you he is working on a handheld 3DS version and also a NX version confirms NX=PS4? um, no.
Personally I'm hoping NX is a home console.
@Uncensored Agreed. The 2D portion of the 3DS game looks great!
@rjejr A trailer was released for the game, Rise: Race the Future, that had an NX logo but the trailer was later revised without the logo. So I guess that's a possible title.
Awesome would like too play DQXI on a Nintendo system.
Four versions across three platforms? Yes and there's also a ps4 version........... So five versions? Nx has two also?
You're just fueling my NX hype train. I'll be watching out for this game with great interest.
Unless this gets confirmed for a Western release then I will continue not caring.
The PS4 version of the game uses Unreal Engine 4, so my guess is that Epic hasn't ported the engine to the NX (yet?), and Enix has to either license a different one, write their own, or reuse an older one, etc.
With that being the case, the game will NOT have the same graphics as the PS4 version, and that has absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo's hardware.
To all those lamenting the NX version with thoughts of it being less than the PS4 or, God forbid, even just a slightly upgraded 3DS port, consider this: the NX version of Dragon Quest X which will be released earlier, will be made with Unreal Engine 4. That's an engine that you couldn't run on a 3DS even if you wanted to.
And remember that some time ago, Nintendo had a job opening for programmers familiar with modern game engines, such as Unreal Engine 4, which was named specifically, so that can't be ignored.
But even the previous part in the series alone being made in Unreal Engine 4 ultimately leads to the conclusion that any part that follows will also be made with that same engine when it's on a home console. The handheld version will obviously be made with another engine, probably just the successor of the same engine they used on the DS games.
There's nothing as of yet that points to the NX version of this game being a weaker version or only an upscale of the 3DS version. If anything, them all being developed separately seems to be more about the specific controls of each system, not so much about the graphics. The entire interview indicates that they want each version to be the best it can be on all the different systems, which again doesn't mean that the NX version is going to be weak/weaker. Could be a possibility, but taking into account DQX, it seems highly unlikely.
@rjejr Hey man, how's it been? Hope your battery is fully charged again, because if I'm not mistaken, you still have a backlog of unread notifications/comments to read, and HNF hasn't slowed down yet either. He has some interesting new tidbits to share, albeit yet again in that annoying text to speech format.
Also no news yet on the Hot Chips conference; it has actually started with some boring tutorials and the entire event lasts until the 23rd, so tomorrow will be the last day. Looking at their program it seems that Nvidia will be present on the last day to promote and/or explain Tegra X2, so nothing interesting has happened there yet, so none the wiser for now...
@upsidedownjim Thanks, I'll add another one to the 3rd party list then. Maybe Nitneod is only making Zelda for NX?
"I asked my staff, 'Is that something we can do?'
And they said, 'We'll do it.'
So we decided, 'then let's do it.'"
That sounds like a reliable staff.
@ThanosReXXX I'm back. Doesn't look like I missed much, just checked your coment profile thread and all I seemed to miss was an ornery bishop. Looks like you had enough sense to avoid the Federation Force threads. People always blame me for dragging this place down, but they did just fine w/o me on that one.
Nvida unviels Parker today I think, all I've found so far is this, but I can' tread whatever language its in, German? You've been over there awhile, does it look offical or just more rumour stuff?
@Captain_Gonru "this close to a launch"
Someday somebody is going to write a book about the history of the NX, that's going to be the title.
This Close to Launch: How Ntineod stealth launched a videogame console without a name, date, games, price or or even a console itself
@ThanosReXXX Oh, so they -do- have UE4 for NX? I guess that throws my theory out the window, then.
@rjejr Judge for yourself:
It is indeed German, so I ran it through Google translate for you, which obviously is not perfect, but it gets the message across.
It is just a bit of informative writing about the hardware and its functions and strengths, but other than that it says nothing about the plans Nvidia has or hasn't got.
I'm still waiting on some keynote speech or video of the presentation to see if something can be gleaned from that.
As for the bishop thingy: I stayed away from that because it turned into a religious comment section, and that is just not my cup of tea...
"This Close To Launch"....
Good one. Made me chuckle. And it might actually make for a good read...
@Asaki Yep. And apparently support for other modern engines as well, for which they were also seeking people.
@rjejr And yes, it's official. It's a report on the presentation, so there should be a video available soon...
Read the last bit of the report...
@rjejr Tegra X2 will presumably be closer in power to the Xbox One and PS4, hence the reasoning that any NX version of this game will be based on the PS4 version. @ThanosReXXX outlined the reasoning behind this assumption pretty well a few comments back.
But of course it would make more sense for the NX version to be upscaled from 3DS, as you seem to conclude.
What are YOU smoking, out of interest?
@rjejr Just translated that bit for you myself, because Google translate sucks...
"No statements regarding other applications
After prior rumors became known, that Nintendo's new game console NX might use an Nvidia chip, the assumptions went in all directions. Performance-wise the new Parker solution for a Tegra X1 seemed to be partially obvious, but a chip for a game console should look a little different. That Nvidia has developed a separate offshoot for Nintendo is possible, but remains unconfirmed today."
But maybe we should ask some of our resident German members to translate, because my German is a bit rusty, to be honest, although I think I got most of it...
This really doesn't even hint at the NX's capabilities. DQXI is coming to the PS4, the strongest console, and the 3DS, the weakest handheld. I'm hoping/expecting the NX is at least around Xbox One level power if it's a home console, but I don't think a game that's releasing on the weakest and the strongest systems really tells you much.
That said, this is still good news, but unless they confirm a Western release it doesn't affect anybody outside Japan (except importers). Here's hoping that among the trailers shown at the NX reveal is an English DQXI.
@ThanosReXXX This part?
"That Nvidia has developed a separate branch for Nintendo, is possible today but remains unconfirmed."
Yes, thanks for the translation assist. I'm pretty sure there was a time when any foreign language page I looked at in Chrome Google would offer to translate, but that doesn't pop up anymore.
Looks like an official announcement as you said, which was really what I was wondering. I was beginning to think Nvidia just wasn't going to show up at Hot Chips.
At this point, I'll be shocked if it's in NX. 10mil, 12mil, 15mil, how ever many they would have sold, even if they wouldn't have produced them, just designed them, how long could Ntinedo expect them to keep silent for? Unless NX is a self driving car.
Wow, the first major AAA confirmation and we are being negative and assuming the worst? Damn the Wii U generation really beat us down here. I trust Square Enix wants this game to be as good as it can and going by their ports for the Wii U this will be a good job even if it is not a perfect match for the PS4 version.
Could also be that the NX is a more powerful system and the difficulties could be coming from the limitations the PS4 is placing on the game. Ever thought of that?
@rjejr What browser do you use? For both Chrome and Firefox, there's an app/add-on called ImTranslator with a cornucopia of options. That's the one I used, but it was set to Google translate.
Other than that, you could always put the online ImTranslator in your favorites: http://imtranslator.net/compare/
@Damo I'm not smoking anything, I see everything clearly for what it is - all rumours. You just conclude almost everything as fact w/o the slightest bit of examination. As a journalist it should be your duty to examine all angles, not just jump on the bandwagon of whatever suits your particular desires, interests or goals. All articles should be written as taking everything with a grain of salt, but NL has taken those EG rumours almost as truth. I don't see any good coming out of being so one sided on a debate. Though I guess that's your job here huh, bad cop to TWs good cop? Get those clicks going. I still don't understand why you put this article on NL when the game didn't even release on a Ntinedo system and not Pushsquare, where you also work, when the game did release on a Sony system. Oh, over 500 comments, that's why.
@ThanosReXXX I found it, right click box, "translate to English". I still think it used to always pop up though near the right top corner. Oh well, not like I'm on foreign language sites all that often.
@rjejr "Unless NX is a self driving car."
Well, that certainly would be a new way to play...
In all fairness to @Damo and Nintendo Life, DQ X was already released on Nintendo systems since the Wii, just not in the Western regions. And the video in the article clearly shows DQ XI's development on 3DS running along just fine.
@TrueWiiMaster I already explained why it actually does point to which version we may expect to arrive on NX in comment #32...
"You just conclude almost everything as fact w/o the slightest bit of examination. As a journalist it should be your duty to examine all angles, not just jump on the bandwagon of whatever suits your particular desires, interests or goals. All articles should be written as taking everything with a grain of salt, but NL has taken those EG rumours almost as truth"
Er, no - I personally followed up on EG's report, called the right people in the industry and got confirmation I was very happy with. Next?
Oh, the GTA thing. That was a soapbox which addressed the fact that Nintendo owners (not unlike myself) didn't really need GTA on their systems - at the time of writing, the Wii U rumours were still flying around, hence the piece. Soapboxes are opinion pieces so basically we can talk about what we like, and at the time, that's what I wanted to put into words.
I'm likely going to triple dip on this. (3ds and NX in English) and Ps4 in Japanese.
Dragon quest XI on handheld for 3DS and NX = awesome
@Dakt how can be an upscaled 3DS port. The 3DS game is so unique with the two screens. The NX will be a port of the PS4 game
@Damo "Er, no - I personally followed up on EG's report, called the right people in the industry and got confirmation I was very happy with. Next?"
Well that's your first mistake right there, classic "Bay of Pigs" scenario. You got confirmation you were happy with and stopped looking for alternative solutions that might prove you wrong.
OK, JFK is probably about 20 years before your time. How about Bush and his WMDs? Dragged your entire country into a war under false pretenses.
From everything I've read, X2 in NX looks very WMD to me. All I'm saying is you should look around, see what's out there, and report both sides. That's what reporters are supposed to do, report, not choose sides. If NX turns out not to have Nvidia inside you'll cause your entire website to lose all credibility. If I'm wrong, all I have to do is create a new name and avatar, I've got no horse in this race.
When did NL become the National Enquirer? Just reporting on un-confirmed rumours and speculation and trying to pass it off as truth. I bet if Eurogamer did an article about how the NX will be able to perform pre-natal exams. NL would be jumping for joy and writing about how they also know it performs this function. This site is getting really pathetic with the click bait articles....
NX, I'd forgotten all about that. I thought it was just a rumour anyway.
DQ next May. If that's the case then the game has a good chance of being released before the NX.
Well I'm not bothered about a DQ and a Zelda game still seven to nine months away.
@rjejr If NX turns out not to have Nvidia inside you'll cause your entire website to lose all credibility.
Seconding that statement, especially with how things have been lately in the rumor mill.
And about your comments in #21, @HopeNForever is making a list of titles coming to the platform in the forums: https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-nx/list_of_early_known_games_compilation
@ThanosReXXX "In all fairness"
So you think NL is doing a fair job of reporting both potential NX chipsets, NVida and AMD? B/c I'm not sure I can recall an AMD article. Even after Nvidia said there would be no more Shield 2, they were only working on cars, NL still insisted that was confirmation of NX running on Nvidia.
Oh look, I found an AMD article back in July, of 2015.
And look how it ended:
"working with AMD would certainly be a reasonable move for the NX."
And here's another one from April 5, seems like AMD and Polaris were still potential then.
And here's the last article in early May, starring everyone 's favorite divisive gamer girl.
So things were a bit more even handed back then, but the last 3 months have been all about Nvidia. Which considering everything you've seen to the contrary, do you think NL is being fair in representing both sides? Seems very 1 sided to me recently even though everywhere else seems to be leaning more towards AMD and DMP. Has this website even covered DMP? Their own search engine can't find it if they did.
More vagueness, lol.
I am as big of a Nintendo fan as anyone. And I held the position that Nintendo should be given the benefit of the doubt and let them reveal the NX when they felt it was ready.
I don't necessarily disagree with that. But I am past the point where the rumors and speculation (and assumptions) is becoming a bit tiresome. Of course, its easy to just ignore it all and wait for official word. But I am ready to move on to the next phase of this story and that's discussing an actual, real life product
@rjejr Back up the truck there, my friend. I was only talking about Dragon Quest.
And I was going to mention again that a holiday should have made you a bit happier (unless it was a crappy one) and more rested. That last part definitely appears to have happened, since you certainly seem to have regained enough energy to dig up all these old NLife articles to make your "anti-fairness" wall of text...
Good for whoever is buying that NX thing. I'll be getting PS4 version as that is likely the definitive version, then might pick up the 3DS version if I enjoy the story enough as the 3DS version is extremely unique.
As I don't see any reason to waste hundreds upon hundreds of dollars yet again on underpowered, overpriced (assuming NX is as overpriced as Wii U and 3DS are) Nintendo hardware, I'll be skipping out on this generation of Nintendo hardware (I honestly never thought I would actually say this..........)
@rjejr You don't know my source. I'm pretty comfortable in my reporting, thanks.
NX to JFK - bizarre!
@ThanosReXXX "wall of text..."
I'm just trying to keep up w/ you.
And I do like your UE4 argument for NX getting similar to a PS4 version of DQ11, and that's likely what it will get, not a 3DS version, but that also means more power to me, not the Tegra X1 on a handheld NL has been solely promoting the past 3 months. It's all related.
What do you think of the DMP rumour? Google can barely find a thing on it except toomuchcaffeinefan and the DMP website itself.
They did do New 3DS, and the timing is right - first half of 2017 - and it runs UE4, so they say, and 6x as powerful as the 3DS. If we thought NX was a Wii U replacement and a 4DS was coming, I'd be on board, but I'm not sure how compatible this thing would be w/ PS4 ports. Maybe it will power my tablet?
@Damo NX - JFK. Well it's not my fault Ntineod has been so tight lipped for over 1 1/2 years. And this place has been more toxic than WMDs since, well it's hard to say exactly, but I'll go w/ E3 2015 being the high point, or low point. MP:FF, Reggie getting destroyed every which way by that guy in Smash, lame SFZ graphics, lame Tennis, lame Ac:aF. Devil's 3rd, Fatal Frame. Everything they did brought the hate. Zelda delay from 2015 to 2016 might have gotten the ball rolling, which was around the same time as the DeNA deal I believe.
But still, you guys were covering AMD for about a year before that EG rumour. (post #60) Then you became all rah-rah, not even discrediting other possible scenarios. You want to believe EG 100%, that's fine, but then cover the other options, if even to just discredit them. Rather than proving your point, it makes the website look like it is blinding following. That makes you a cheerleader, not a reporter, regardless of how good your source(s) may be.
Do you remember when this website was covering every photoshopped and 3D printed controller? You covered things that lead to clues about what NX could be. Now your too focused, very 1 sided. Too 1 sided.
How about the NX version has all 3 versions I would be so happy
@rjejr "I'm just trying to keep up with you" - touché...
I think the DMP rumor could certainly have some validity. Up til now, no completed devices of the NX range (still betting on it being multiple devices) have been seen, so all concrete info that could possibly have been gathered so far besides final blue prints or whatever, will more than likely be based upon having seen the insides of a dev kit. Now, if HNF's sources are the real deal, then these dev kits have only used Tegra X1 as a placeholder to be able to begin and support development, much like what has happened with the 3DS.
Which also leads to the conclusion that EuroGamer (and subsequently Nintendo Life) doesn't necessarily have to be wrong, they have probably just seen the dev kit or beta hardware for the handheld. This would also account for so many people and other websites calling this rumor out as being incomplete.
Personally, I wouldn't be as happy as Damo with a Tegra X1, not even a custom one. For a handheld it will be more than enough, because that would mean near Xbox One graphics in the palm of your hand, but for a console experience, this handheld that you could connect to the TV (or place in a dock) and then gets slightly upgraded graphics, would mean a decidedly sub-par home experience and nobody wants that nor will they accept that, so I'm curious as to how they would sell that to the public if that would be the only device that they have in store for us.
Following on that train of thought comes the semi-logical conclusion that it must then apparently be a Tegra X2, but no news is coming forward to support that. It would mean that the hardware is way more comparable with PS4 so it would make NX a console/handheld with more than enough power. Or, as the only third option that I can come up with if I had to go with Nvidia is that it is a custom chip that falls somewhere between the X1 and X2 in performance, which would make it near PS4, but better than Xbox One, and that would still be okay in relation to getting third party support if they want to.
But the thing that keeps coming back in a LOT of reviews and research on the Tegra X range, is their issues with overheating. That would instantly mean that they either have to be underclocked, or they will only be used in a home console: can't put a decent enough cooling fan in a handheld device to compensate for that overheating problem...
But maybe a custom version of that chip has somehow solved that problem, who knows?
Besides that, I have by now collected a lot more info on the Shield, and most of it is not positive at all, so that's another reason not to be happy about Nintendo possibly going for that option. (except when it's just about the handheld of course)
To get back to DMP, though: they do have more than enough experience with Nintendo hardware, and they have quite a few large customers, and their current line of chipsets/GPU's (among which the M3000) is certainly capable of processing HD imagery, animations and graphics and even more important: they are VERY competitively priced, so I see no reason why they could not be in the NX handheld. And obviously, they are still in very close contact with Nintendo because of the whole 3DS range.
And then there is all the info on the Vulkan API and Xilinx, of which we also see nothing here, so it's not just DMP that is ignored.
Either way, I hope the next few weeks will finally give us some inkling of what's what and if all rumors concerning the reveal date are correct, we should be hearing the final word from the big N themselves before the next month is done.
In the mean time, I'll keep myself happy and busy with the latest HNF rumors. Much more reassuring and positive for the serious gaming fan with a Nintendo heart than the average EuroGamer hugging website...
@Damo Reporting and gossiping are two very different things.
@ThanosReXXX Did you see HNF's video outing himself?
Not that it matters.
And I did have a pretty god vacation, And then I came back here.
@rjejr I just dug up a video of EuroGamer's NX device from the way back machine:
Watch it and have some fun with it. Way too short after a holiday to already lose that joyful feeling of being rested and able to take on the world again...
@Dakt I choose to believe the NX is a handheld. I never said it had the power of the PS4.
I just think DQXI on the NX will get a port of the PS4 game. Port of 3DS version makes no sense at all as the 3DS version Is very unique. The NX won't have two screens remember.
"If NX turns out not to have Nvidia inside you'll cause your entire website to lose all credibility. "
implying this site has credibility to wager
I'm hanging out here mostly for the actual solid news articles and the forums, thank you.
@rjejr More videos on the "EuroGamer" tablet...
(in order of release date)
(the second one is from the 15th of August)
And did you never wonder what the hell happened to this specific part of the rumor?
The tech apparently does exist, so why is it not mentioned anymore in relation to Nintendo?
Playing on curved or weirdly shaped displays would certainly be new...
@rjejr We do have to get our other conspiracy members in on the discussion too, so just for the heck of it, I'll post another extended video of this interesting little gadget that looks so much like the EuroGamer rumor, yet is already so old and not new or revolutionary anymore at all...
And then I'll refer @aaronsullivan and @Captain_Gonru and also @JaxonH to the other comments I made about that, so they can join in the discussion with all the necessary info...
(that would be comments #71 and #75, gentlemen... )
@rjejr P.S. Had to correct my YouTube link in comment nr. #71 because it was the wrong one, so ignore the one already in your inbox...
@Captain_Gonru A kidney? Man, you really DO want it that bad...
That interview somehow reminds me of Iwata Asks...
I wonder how many years we will wait for this.
@Captain_Gonru Target Wii U clearance added Hyrule Warriors and XCX. So basically the big 3 exclusives that should have sold Wii U ard now less than $30 each. And shockingly since it's so new, Mighty #9. Maybe I should start a forum thread?
@Captain_Gonru Yes, it was still there. And now you see why I always misspell Nintendo, typos aplenty in that last one.
@ThanosReXXX Notice the bold line about halfway down.
@Damo If you are only going to cover half of the story, might as well cover all of that half, especially when it's in your favor. Maybe when you wake up.
@ThanosReXXX @rjejr @Captain_Gonru @JaxonH
Welp, that new Nvidia chip seems quite capable for a portable machine if needs be. As @rjejr noted in the article, "The Multiprocessor architecture that combines big+super cores are mentioned to be great for single threaded performance, maximize the aggregate performance and have a sufficient thread count for automotive and gaming applications." ( http://wccftech.com/nvidia-tegra-parker-soc-hot-chips/ ) If Unreal 4 supports it, the NX that doubles as a portable and a console doesn't seem impossible. Plenty of question marks as usual but the more capable chip that could make that scenario more plausible has now been unveiled.
That tablet thing in the video shows that the controller configuration is quite feasible though Nintendo would make it much smaller. It's a new product and a new way to play in my estimation but coupled with actual games that support the individual controllers for separate players and made more portable and Nintendo-y would strengthen that image. Nintendo can't help it if someone else did it concurrently.
It is hilarious to imagine that EuroGamer might have seen one of these and mistaken it for Nintendo hardware or maybe someone intentionally duped them. Thing is, I don't think any developers are making anything specific for that device.
It does show some of the issues of separate controllers that have been brought up to downplay the idea as apparently attainable.
Really, this is just amazing... there is so much actual money to be made by getting behind these rumors and propping them up with whatever straws you can grasp that I can't trust anything! I tend to respect that @Damo has a source that at least had something solid to corroborate, but since we have no details of exactly what was corroborated, it could just be that dev kits were using the X1 for some Nintendo device, which leaves a whole lot of room for all the scenarios really.
Found another article, though this one is 10 hours old, but it had the phrase
"It is likely that this new chip, or a variant of it will be used in the Nintendo NX, providing much more GPU performance than the Tegra X1 thanks to the Nvidia Pascal architecture as well as provide some power efficiency gains thanks to the 16nm FinFET manufacturing process"
so I thought it worth a link. Can NX be cheap enough with this new tech in it?
Aaron, 70% off some Lego D fun packs with Cartwheel, picked up Gimli for $3.56, figure he'll be good for 4 player battles.
@Captain_Gonru I thought MP10 was a $19.99 Select, or is it $29.99 w/ your new amiibo friends?
The way I see it, if NX has great Nintendo games than that money wasn't wasted, at all.
And even if games like this are on PS4, I find it incredibly difficult to tuck that system into my back left pocket so, that would definitely be a reason to buy this version instead. As long as it's in the ballpark, and the fact that Dragon Quest XI can be played with console quality graphics on the go... just obliterates any reason to buy the PS4 version.
But that's just me.
@Captain_Gonru All of that (the new Nvidia chipset reveal) just means that it's plausible to have something approaching the XB1 and PS4 level... maybe. Something in that range has at least made sense to me to make for a compelling portable-but-also-home-console scenario that also fits inside Nintendo's needs. But really, the price point might be untenable or it really is just targeted at automobiles or both.
At the moment I still feel 50/50 that we could get that combination scenario or two separate devices for portable and home. I've got zero sources.
Awesome to hear, as a long time DQ fan the NX version is almost certainly the one I will be getting. Just need to see it in action to be sure...
@rjejr "Notice the bold line about halfway down"
The one where it says "and have a sufficient thread count for automotive and gaming applications"?
In court, those statements would fall under speculation and conjecture, much like the other article, especially since it's preceded by:
"While NVIDIA may not reveal the full purpose of Tegra Parker aside from automotive, I believe they have hinted that Parker is as good as an gaming chip as it’s an automotive processor.".
The second article is also full of speculation:
"It is likely that this new chip, or a variant of it will be used in the Nintendo NX, providing much more GPU performance than the Tegra X1 thanks to the Nvidia Pascal architecture as well as provide some power efficiency gains thanks to the 16nm FinFET manufacturing process.
Two of these SoCs will be used to power Nvidia's Drive PX self driving car system which when combined with two dedicated GPU chips offers a total of 12 CPU cores and a total of 8TFLOPS of GPU compute performance."
"Hopefully we will find out more about this SoC and its applications outside of the emerging self-driving car market soon as Nvidia has specifically referenced the SoC's "Gaming Performance" in their slides. Will Nvidia be creating a new Nvidia Shield Product, or perhaps a new SoC for handheld console gaming?"
So it's still not confirmed by this at all. And funnily enough, the first article you linked to, has the almost exact same text as the German site you linked to earlier, so you'd have to wonder if the two are related or are just translating somebody else's text.
But suppose that this is true, then it is indeed the third option that I mentioned in comment #68, and that would also be the only option to address the overheating issues that the standard Tegra chips have and it would also negate the reason to under-clock them. Seems logical enough to make a custom version for a console, so I'll give em that, but other than that, there's still more than enough evidence that it could go either way.
At least the hardware will be powerful. The SoC for automotive contains a double set and that's 8TFlops, so that could mean that the gaming SoC could be around half that, which easily makes it more powerful than the standard PS4, and puts it in the ballpark of the NEO, as already rumored by several people. So that would not mean it will only approach XB1 and PS4, @aaronsullivan. Provided it is true, of course. Does make a little more sense as to why Damo would be happy with it, because a Tegra X1 based device would certainly not make me happy, because that would have been below XB1.
OR... we have to consider the possibility of Nvidia for the handheld and x86 for the console again. Sharing a software platform on these two architecture should surely be possible, and porting to and from as well (although porting up might need extra optimization), especially if it is that much more powerful than the Tegra X1 and if they have developed some sort of API (Application Program(ming) Interface) to use as middleware to aid in the development and porting.
Makes it potentially very easy to cross-develop within gaming engines as well, such as with Unreal Engine 4, like in Dragon Quest X & XI. Guess that takes care of @Captain_Gonru's question too...
I do have to wonder about the price though, the automotive parts aren't cheap, and although the SoC for a gaming console won't contain the same amount of hardware, it's still a bit on the pricey side if you ask me. The chipset alone could cost anywhere between $200 and $300, and then you still need all the other components. It may be powerful, but it will not even be close to being as cheap as Polaris, which also has a much better price/performance ratio. So, guess we're still not that much further in the end.
And that tablet device that I linked you guys the videos from was also already more powerful than the Tegra X1, and that was designed well over a year ago.
The detachable controllers did almost look spot on compared to the concept drawings, didn't they, @aaronsullivan? And with their own battery packs, no less.
But guys, the ultimate questions here for me are and still remain "would Nintendo make something like this/does this feel like Nintendo?" and "what the hell is new about it?" especially in light of the videos I found of that tablet that already did detachable controllers over a year ago, so scratch that idea as revolutionary...
@Captain_Gonru Earlier today, @rjejr asked someone the question "what have you been smoking?"
It would seem that this question is relevant once again...
@rjejr The presentation slides do mention the term "industry leading" just like in the earlier NX rumors, so that should count for something right?
@Captain_Gonru Selects start Friday the 26th, this Friday. I ordered Luigi's Mansion 2 and Lego City Undercover from Amazon. Problem is, I was a Prime member when I ordered, now I'm not, so I'm nto sure what's going to happen then.
@Captain_Gonru Hitting the eggnog early are we?
@ThanosReXXX "The presentation slides do mention the term "industry leading" just like in the earlier NX rumors, so that should count for something right?"
When that rumour first floated, though honestly I feel like I was saying it much earlier, my response was - well yeah, it's industry leading, but what industry? Being a leader in home consoles isn't the same as being a leader in handhelds. I always assumed it was leading the handheld industry while everyone else debated if NX would be Neo or Scorpio powered. More like Shield 2 powered I guess.
Good catch though.
@rjejr Obviously, I was just kidding, but in all seriousness: in that very same rumor, the distinction "industry leading" was made in connection with the demo shown to third parties, claiming that such a demo could not have been made or shown on currently existing hardware because it was too advanced, whatever that might mean, and to run it, you would need top of the line hardware and industry leading chips.
On a side note, we do need to keep in mind that dev kits are nearly always (as in 99.5% of the time) considerably stronger than the actual hardware, because developers need to be able to throw around a lot of content and assets on them to build their game, and so the dev kits need to offer that space for them to play around in.
But did you watch all the videos of that wonky 2015 EuroGamer tablet with detachable controllers? Smells like something familiar, right?
Either way, if it does end up being a custom Tegra X1.5 chip, then we are looking at a handheld with near or better than PS4 power, which is absurd, albeit in a good way. I'm certain it could run Breath of the Wild without a hitch and make it look considerably better in the process...
To end this comment, here's some undeniable logic from our friend SMD64:
@Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan @ThanosReXXX Endgadet coverage of Parker. Can we call it Parker now instead of Tegra X2? I've used that website for years for general consumer electronics stuff, and I find it interesting they never mention NX. Though it could just be that 1 particular writer though. On the bright side it does sound powerful enough to run a hybrid. Price concerns me though, probably gimped a bit.
So, basically back where we started, rumours and hearsay, if and maybes. NX won't be X1 though, no reason to wait until March 2017 for that. If EG rumours are correct it's Parker, or close enough.
I can't believe still no word from Nintendo and Sony has 2 new consoles, and PSVR, on September 7th. And they're skipping TGS. Crazy.
@ThanosReXXX Listening to that video now. I agree with him, it's all about the games, and NX launches in 6 months and Nintendo only has 1 game, Zelda. Where are the games? That's what I want to know. That's where my anger comes from, hardware doesn't matter, except for format and price. If Nintendo would at least lay out the format - NX is a home console, NX is a handheld, NX is a hybrid - I think nobody would care about AMD or Nvidia. Price and performance matter, we're just guessing at chips etc to try to figure out if it's and home, handheld, or both.
@rjejr True, for the gamers only the content matters. But that content can only come (well, the third party content) if the hardware is either compliant or on a level and easy to work with, so whether it's directly or indirectly, the hardware should matter to gamers as well.
Nobody should want another Wii U situation, regardless of the possibility that they will only play Nintendo games on it anyway. If it's good for Nintendo, then it is good for us all in the end.
"So, basically back where we started"
My conclusion exactly, and I already said so in comment #94.
And like you observed with Engadget, there's also Tweakers.net, one of the bigger if not the biggest IT and tech-related sites in the Benelux that has now done several articles on the Hot Chips conference, but no Nvidia and no gaming related articles whatsoever.
That could still happen later today or tomorrow, and if something interesting is to be gleaned from that, I'll throw you a message.
And how about that wonky detachable controller-equipped tablet huh?
Anger? I couldn't be bothered to be honest. Maybe because I haven't been that invested in the console game this generation because of me starting my company, which is the main reason I haven't bought any of them, and maybe that has created a bit of a distance, but on the other hand: for me it's no more than a hobby, and I'm not going to get mad about that.
And there will be more than enough games:
From Nintendo there will be Zelda, 2 or 3 Wii U remakes, probably some party or sports game to showcase the hardware gimmick, and then there's the game that Retro Studios is working on. And let's not forget that the new Mario game could also still come in the launch window.
Then there's Square Enix with two Dragon Quest games, Shin'en is working on something and so is Platinum Games (Bayonetta 3?). Game Freak and CapCom are also beavering away on something, so that's either Pokken Tournament NX or each of them are working on a separate project, or both.
Playtonic might do either another version of Yooka-Laylee or they will just skip the Wii U and do an NX version only, which could only make it look and play a lot better.
And I'm all but sure that EA, Activision and Ubisoft will at least be on the NX at launch or somewhere in the launch window. Ubisoft is already confirmed to release Just Dance, and strong rumors (or was it also already confirmed) are popping up left and right about a new Rayman game. And then there's the For Honor on cartridge rumor. Not confirmed by any means, but the damn thing keeps coming back.
And Activision will do a Call of Duty and EA their sports games, and finally, there's the all but confirmed THQ Nordic support for NX. And for good measure, it's pretty safe to say that there will be a bunch of Indies on there as well.
So, maybe not all these offerings may be to your liking, but there will be plenty of games.
Oh, and I almost forgot that a couple of months ago either Miyamoto or someone else said that Nintendo had around 32 projects in development, some of which were already pretty far along. Might just be that amongst these there are games like Pikmin 4, Luigi's Mansion NX and maybe even a new Wave Race game, which was also rumored at one time.
@ThanosReXXX 1 one my biggest concerns is NX will be chock full of Wii U games we already own and won't repurchase. My other concern is Pikmin 3 was a launch window title that released 8 months after launch, so Pikmin 4 and Luigi's Mansion could be much later.
And I'm not so sure if EA is coming back. If it's a handheld w/ tv out they may feel it's too much of a "toy" to bother with. I think EA is just snooty enough that they'ld be insulted w/ Madden on a handheld.
But here's 1 thing I do know, if Ntneod woudl announce the cosole, we'd hear about the games.
NX is due out in 7 months, I think that's cutting it close. Closer than any console in recent memory, and most of those had the benefit of selling at the holidays after appearing at big shows. NX in March, before E3 next year, after E3 and Gamescon this year, and Ntineod is skipping TGS as a whole. When do they announce the system, and where and when do the games get promtoed? Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Jan 2017, which is geared towards casuals and the general public? If that's the main method of spreading the word, maybe it is a butt ugly tablet using butt ugly controllers and running on Tegra X1, Pokemon Shuffle NX and Go being it's lead games.
@rjejr I don't think that's gonna happen (chock full of Wii U games) since from the rumored 4 or 5 only a maximum of three were more or less confirmed. They might make some sort of label from it, like Wii U remasters or something, but these will probably come in waves every half year or so, much like the Nintendo Selects.
And I didn't just type in another wall of text full of semi-proof to be undermined by negativity and doubt, dagnabbit!
Go watch those wonky tablet videos I linked to and have a laugh at EuroGamer...
@ThanosReXXX I did watch those wonky tablet vids, but I don't want to laugh at EG b/c they could very well be right. Everybody laughed at the dual screen DS and Wii name but those both sold well. Nintendo is Nintendo, they do what they want. Nvidia didn't deny it. I do think they were trolling a bit sprinkling about the word "game" and it's derivatives here and there, but nothing concrete enough for me either way. I'd be annoyed if I were a Nvidia shareholder and they signed a deal for 50mil Parker SoC w/o telling me. But that's what it's come to, I have to call the SEC to find out about Ntinodo's next console.
Oh, and speaking of the SEC, the FCC did get a cancellation notice for the Shield TABLET 2, which everybody covered, but I don't think the Shiled PORTABLE 2 has had as much coverage.
So, all those those trolling game hints Nvidia was dropping could be about a Shield 2, handheld or even a set top box, even though the tablet was canceled, and no about NX.
W/ Sony all but saying no more handhelds, at least no Vita 2, and NX not due out until 2017, maybe Nvidia will go all in on a portable w/ buttons. Who knows, maybe even a portable w/ TV out. Parker seems strong enough to make a go of that. Can't sell any worse than Xbox One in Japan. Maybe they just want to compete w/ Roku and Amazon Fire TV? Their website still seems active.
@rjejr EuroGamer will be half right. From all I've gathered, and I've been doing a LOT of searching and emailing with people, they have more than likely seen either a dev kit for the handheld or a dev kit for a third device in the NX range, that may well be a hybrid/connect to TV device. In my opinion that does not exclude a dedicated handheld and home console, so that would make three SKU's under the NX label. And choices are good...
But there's not enough logic in this world to explain how one can come to the conclusion that the cancellation of the Shield 2 must "surely" mean that they are using the exact same hardware that was intended for that to make the NX.
I've also seen and followed all the other Shield news and the cancellation reports and nothing interesting to tie it in with Nintendo or the NX can be found yet.
And even though the hardware is more than capable enough (Parker being 4TFlops, which utterly destroys current gen consoles, who can't even achieve 2TFlops) I don't think them going alone will be successful. The first Shield did okayish, but compared to their earnings with PC related hardware, it's probably not even 10% of their total income, so it's not very interesting for them.
As for the PS Vita: I have to correct you there...
Apparently , Sony is planning on making another PS Vita, but not so much a completely new device, but an updated version (think the handheld version of what the NEO is to the PS4) to make what some people call the PS4 Trinity. (NEO, Trinity, get it?)
Studio Q even made a video about it:
Another fine game related channel, by the way, so check out his other videos when you've got the time in between daily commitments and family life...
@rjejr Well, at 5.40pm local time, that tech site that I mentioned earlier, finally reported on the Tegra Parker and the Drive PX2 board and holy mother of... have you seen the price for that thing?
And I quote: "the Drive PX2 board has already shipped to Tier 1 customers for an estimated price tag of $15000"
That board does contain 2 Parker SoC's and 2 Pascal MXM GPU's but even if you cut that in four, you'd still be faced with the cost of at least $350 for the SoC alone, which is even more than I initially guessed, so there goes any possibility that the Parker is going to be in a Nintendo handheld.
Which brings us back to the unlikely X1 or a custom version of that, and that once again brings up the controversy that if this is a handheld, it will be an absolute beast of a pocket console at near Xbox One performance, but as a ""connect to TV" home console experience it will be rather underwhelming and again a generation behind. (queue mentioning the SCD's to maybe being able to fix that... )
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan But let's add some more fuel to that fire...
Is a Nintendo console at around Xbox One performance that unlikely an idea, though? With the scorpio/Neo plan to have ps4/xb1 performance continuing alongside the higher performance consoles, it is the perfect time for Nintendo to take advantage of being a generation behind again.
I'm all for catching up and competing again with performance, but especially if it's a portable meant to compete with consoles, I'd say Xbox One level is squarely where it should be to get a solid price/performance ratio.
I'm still skeptical X1 can do it unless there is some way to boost it up with active cooling once you dock it or something, but I haven't looked into it like you have.
Not quite dismissing Parker yet, as parts don't divide up evenly in cost like you did and a variant with less cores or other ways to scale it back may not be out of the question.
And like @rjejr said, I think we are back to rumors and nothing solid again. Still feels like 50/50 to me whether we get a dedicated console NX or not.
Games, games, games is where it's at and those are best to reveal when they are closer to complete, in my estimation. I mean I want to know right now, but not as much as I want the launch to knock me over. Waiting until after Sony's announcement seems the smart play at this point. Hype is going to have to live over the Holidays without representative products so you want to be the last one to announce.
@Captain_Gonru stop singing! The tune is sticking in my head and we are still months away from when the Xmas tune ban is lifted!
@Captain_Gonru I had to look it up.
@Captain_Gonru Oh I agree, and I wasn't saying @rjejr was wrong about that (wouldn't dare), but all I was saying is that it is a factor and it does and should matter to gamers as well, because it means options and support, instead of another Wii U situation.
I think that by now, even the most patient minds are kind of fed up with having no official word on what the heck the NX is going to be or what games will be on it, so no argument there either, since I'm part of that group myself.
"That's Numberwang" I had to look that up, like @aaronsullivan, and I still don't quite get it or the reference here. unless you mean the going to and fro. And look what I came across when I had to Google that...
@aaronsullivan Does no one read my comments?
That old man gets all the credits...
I also said that a handheld with near Xbox One powers would be a beast, but as a "connect to TV" it truly is decidedly underwhelming, because for a home console you'd have to be AT LEAST on par with the Xbox One to satisfy developers and the masses. Sub par ain't gonna cut it...
And I also said that we are back to square one again. But all kidding aside, the important part is that we are all of a like mind and that some things in this skewed equation just don't add up.
And I've done my research, and am still doing it, because I have a desire to know what's what, even though we are now probably less than a month away from the official word...
@Captain_Gonru Yikes indeed...
And I got the part that it was from a comedy, but I'm trying to figure out if you are comparing the ever switching numbers that constitute Numberwang to the still flip-flopping rumors and options of the NX...
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan Talking about Numberwang...
HappyNintendoFan came across some definitive proof that DMP, the manufacturer of the SoC's inside all models 3DS, will be at two separate conventions, the first one being held on the 24th, and the second on the 9th of September. At these venues, DMP's CEO will speak about "overseas partnerships" and the usage of their chipsets for "Next Generation Graphics API's".
Make of that what you will, but I've learned that there is no such thing as a coincidence, and this is odd to say the least.
The only other usage for DMP's SoC's is digital camera's and smart devices. That last category could be a candidate for "next generation graphics", but it is not a term normally used in the smart phone business, so that does have to make you wonder what it's going to be implemented in then...
And their partners in this whole endeavor are also interesting:
Xilinx - a company often mentioned in relation to transfer protocols from platform to platform (handheld to console for instance)
Renesas - USB technology developer amongst other things
Khronos Group - known for developing API's
And the other partners are also interesting in relation to the rumors.
Man, these are still going to be a few nail biting weeks after all...
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan Additional bit of info: Ubisoft and Unity will also attend the first conference (CEDEC2016 from 24th - 26th of August)...
@ThanosReXXX For clarity: In this context "next-generation graphics APIs" is about programming code using Vulkan. https://www.khronos.org/vulkan/
If you've heard of OpenGL, Vulkan is the "next-generation" way to access graphics hardware (gpu + video memory) the open way while machines running Windows 10 can use DirectX 12 which is doing something similar (Apple was one of the first to get this trend rolling on their iPhones with an API called Metal). None of the APIs do exactly the same thing but they are all trying to give more direct access to the graphics hardware with less overhead.
Just trying to establish context around why they'd put emphasis on it. It's all relatively new and not everyone is using it yet and hardware that takes best advantage is just rolling out. It's current.
@aaronsullivan Yeah, I was familiar with that part. But Khronos isn't doing the lecturing at CEDEC, it's DMP's CEO that will be speaking about SoC's and next gen graphics.
They may be partners with the Khronos group, but it seems quite unlikely to me that they would go there just to advertise Khronos's Open Source API, since they need to advertise their own product, the M3000, so whether or not that is why they put the sentence "talking about next gen graphics" in the itinerary will be known soon enough, since the event will be completed at the end of this week.
@Captain_Gonru Apple, in relation to DMP? There's no relation there, besides Nintendo, they work for Fuji and Olympus and some Asian smart phone companies.
And Nvidia has a partnership with Google providing their laptops with their SoC's, so they probably won't help Apple either. I do believe that AMD had a semi-custom design win based on ARM that is rumored to be for Apple, but nothing is set in stone.
DMP is more closely tied to Nintendo and they speak of plans of branching out more into Western territories, seeking partners and also focusing on next gen graphics with their new chip, the M3000, which is basically a successor to the same family of chips that was in the 3DS.
@ThanosReXXX Traditionally, graphics hardware companies find ways to optimize their hardware and drivers for the way APIs work. It goes both ways so APIs change to utilize existing hardware in new ways and hardware companies customize drivers and even the hardware to optimize towards the APIs better than "the other guys". Plenty to talk about for a chip vendor, in other words.
Will be interesting to see what they do or don't hint at on the 24th. I'll support any chip vendor that wants to force Nintendo to announce everything earlier whether they are related or not! — No, nope, I take it back. I can be patient. Launch it strong, Nintendo.
@aaronsullivan It will indeed be interesting, but if their presentation is anything like Nvidia's, showcasing and discussing the options of the new hardware, then I'm still expecting any API to be last on the list of things to be discussed, unless API's are somehow the focus of the whole speech.
But I will be following proceedings and will let you guys know if something interesting pops up. I do find it funny that Ubisoft will also be there. Try and figure that connection out...
Or maybe that could be the API related thing and Ubisoft is there to see how they will need to develop on DMP hardware in combination with that Vulkan API. (and XilinX, who are also rumored to be present)
But I'll stop here for today. It's WAY past my curfew and I need to keep part of my sanity in tact to be able to follow these next few days. And I will, like a hawk...
@aaronsullivan God, I feel really stupid now: they mention the Vulkan API specifically in their program for the coming days...
Well, I'll never feel too big to admit to an error, so you sir, were right and I was wrong.
Either way it's going to be an interesting three days...
If the patents and rumors prove true, I really don't believe the NX is something that you can stick in your pocket; more like something you stick in its own laptop-bag style case and lug around with you.
Well you are probably right about that. I don't think it's going to be small like the 3DS either.
But, it will be portable nonetheless. I just spent a week in Milwaukee for a GD&T seminar. I would've loved to have had a console-quality portable gaming device with me, to play Zelda BotW in my hotel room.
If the rumors are true that could become a reality very soon.
@Captain_Gonru I'm not looking up Numberwang (sounds like a Mel Brooks joke, Spaceballs or Blazing Saddles) but you said Excalibur, and that's really all anybody ever needs to say.
Saw a TV commercial for SG on Oct 10 last night. I'm not watching it, but I'm guessing the rest will follow suit that week. Finally started watching the last season of Grimm last night, after watching all of the previous season last summer, and having 11 months between seasons is very long, not sure how all those HBO shows do it.
Back to not on topic, "We need some kind of format news."
Sony has 2 press events next month, and they'll be at TGS - Nintnedo won't - and maybe another later in the year they have for themselves called PSX. And that's why all of Ntinedo's silence is driving me nuts. They are launching a new console next March, w/ hopefully more than 1 new game, and we get nothing from them, just skipping game shows. And Sony PS3 games are now playable on PC. I think Nintnedo is waiting for CES in Jan and NX is a watch or something.
@ThanosReXXX All right, another ton of emails in my box this morning from the gang, I'm starting w/ #109.
Vita 2 - I get Trinity, it goes w/ Morpheous - PSVR, and Neo - PS4k. I've been thinking maybe more of a streaming device, basically the Gamepad for PS4 only over WiFi, call it PS4 LiveStream. Not sure if you've have time for Sony but PS Now starts today on PC, so PS3 games on PC, dongle for the DS4. New PS4 Slim gets an updated controller. I'm thinking sell a PS4 Dualshock w/ a screen where the touchpad is. It doesn't need to play it's own line of games, just stream PS4 games. And have TV out so you can play your PS4 on any tv available. And of course it doubles as a PS4 controller. Basically everything Nintendo should have done w/ Wii U, and will maybe do w/ NX. Nintendo kept us in the dark so nobody would steal their idea, now it will look like they are stealing Sony's ideas.
Parker price - commented on that yesterday, it is a concern, but it won't be like Drive PX2 which probbaly requires a lot more stuff. This would just be a SoC to Ntinedo, nobody is going to die playing NX, may die driving.
"for a third device in the NX range"
You mean like a tablet, like I've been saying for months, and you keep dismissing the idea as nonsense? Tablet to replace the 2DS for kids, handheld for adults, home for everyone. They need a tablet due to the deal w/ DeNA. And we haven't heard about AC of FE games either. But the 3rd device tablet coudl run on a cheaper Tegra X1, NX handheld on a middling say X 1.5, home on Parker.
Things can always be massaged. And I've massaged them every which way, and I get lots of maybe's, but no "definitely not", which is annoying. Some things seem more likely, some less likely, but that's hardly anything to write home about. Just walls of comments.
Maybe the NX "platform" is really them going 3rd party, making their games playable on other devices.
Seems that way, and I hate it that way. And the problem with waiting until "after Sony" to announce NX is Sony is aware of that strategy so they keep announcing new events. Sept 7, Sept 13 before TGS, probably PSX in November or Dec. Sony will be loud and proud with PS4 slim probably in Sept, PSVR in Oct, Neo maybe Nov. There is no good time to announce where Sony won't drown them out. It already feels like it's too late skipping TGS.
I am very happy you brought PS4 and X1, nobody seems to mention "lowest common denominator" when talking about porting games. Sony has said no Neo exclusives, so as long as NX can compare to X1 that's all the power they need. Of course more is better, but cheaper is more important.
@rjejr "All right, another ton of emails in my box this morning from the gang"
Ah, you've started reading them? Good, then I can add another one...
With Trinity and NEO I wasn't talking about the devices, but about The Matrix...
As for the price of the Parker SoC: yesterday I already guesstimated the price of a single SoC to be at around $300 and later that day I cross referenced that with a couple of hardware guys that I know, and they said that my guess was probably well within the ball park, so don't expect it to be much cheaper. Hence my conclusion that "Tegra X2" is not going to be in any Nintendo device.
"You mean like a tablet"
Not so much a tablet, (sorry my friend) but more the hybrid idea, so that would be one dedicated home console, one dedicated handheld and a hybrid device being able to connect to TV, not necessarily a smart device but simply a mix between the two dedicated devices, albeit less powerful than the dedicated home console.
It could be an interesting option for people who want to have their cake and eat it without having to buy two separate devices.
I also don't see the "need" for them to make a tablet because of the deal with DeNA. That deal was only ever meant for Nintendo to get the necessary assistance and expertise concerning online gaming and distributing games on smart platforms, but not their own.
And home will still be AMD for me, unless someone official says otherwise...
Who did you massage to get answers? And if it only turns out to be annoying, then it's a massage without a happy ending...
Advice: be less desperate to get intel...
"Maybe the NX "platform" is really them going 3rd party, making their games playable on other devices. "
Just as well that you put that grimace at the end, because my answer is and will remain "Hell, no! Not in a million years or at the very least not in my life time"...
@JaxonH You picked a bad week to go to Milwaukee.
Portability. I like to make the distinction on portability between a handheld or tablet that is obviously made to be portable, and a portable home console. GameCube had a handle, it was made to look and be "portable". Wii had a sensor bar and a stand, that thing wasn't going anywhere. If Nintendo jammed the Wii U into the Gamepad, it wouldn't fit in your pocket, but Nintendo could make a 2DS type slip case, add a wireless dongle for TV out, and a standard phone Micro USB charger, and you could still take it to a hotel or a friends house. Maybe it wouldn't fit in your pocket to play at work, but it might fit in your glove compartment to play at lunch.
There's small screened low powered portable consoles, and then there's big screen high powered portable home consoles that are easy to transport. I need my big screen and power.
@ThanosReXXX I think you are trying too hard to make my tablet idea not be correct. Why make 1 low powered handheld then make another slightly more powerful 1 with TV out. Too confusing. Though I suppose they already did that with 2DS, huh? I still don't understand why New 3DS and XL didn't have TV out, as they let Wii U die without even a price cut, come on. I would have bought an XL by now with tV out, even with that lame top screen resolution, my TV has zoom.
Ok, so maybe it isn't too confusing, but it seems overly complicated. But I guess it works, 3DS has TV out, 2DS for kids doesn't. But if that's the case, I think kids like tablets, so make 2DS a tablet. With detachable controls.
Can they launch all 3 at once though? In March? They better get the word out.
Shield 2. Maybe they don't have to go alone. Maybe sell it to Facebook like Ocvulus, or Amazon to boost Fire power. Amazon has tablets and tv, they don't really have a portable. They failed miserably at phones, why not at gaming too? And that Shield website seems to have dropped the portable, it's tablet and set top box. Maybe they make a portable with TV out and drop the others. They may sell that chip to others for $350, but they probably get it for less.
Now, that's a device I can see premiering at CES in January for a summer release, Uber powerful Shield 2 portable with TV out, or Amazon Fire Portable. There are other options besides solo and Nintendo. Roku has 3 players, Apple has phones, tablets and hobby tv, Nvidia can give it another go.
@Captain_Gonru re your post #122, others entering the gaming space
I just addressed that in post #136 above regarding Nvidia new Parker and maybe Amazon or Facebook getting involved. No, not Win phone, but maybe they want a portable too? I think Apple does its own thing, and I don't see how you can make a Vita sleek enough for them. But I forgot about Google, until @ThanosReXXX post #124, they have phones, tablets, Chromebooks and Chromecast pucks and dongles, maybe they want a gaming portable based on Parker? Or DMPs?
Great we went from waiting for NX to covering every electronic device in existence. There's got to be a better way. Anybody else remember Nintendo Directs?
@rjejr You might wanna delete one of those double comments... (#135 & #136)
"I think you are trying too hard to make my tablet idea not be correct."
Well, to be honest, it doesn't take that much effort to discredit that. Not doing it to annoy or offend you, but in relation to their deal with DeNA and the need/want factor within their own line of products, I simply don't see it being necessary.
The 2 in 1 device on the other hand, could be perfect for people that, like I said in comment #137, want to have both the handheld and home experience, but aren't willing to buy two separate systems, so that seems way more logical. Power wouldn't be an issue, because buyers interested in this kind of a device would already be smart enough to not expect a handheld that you connect to the TV to be more powerful than a dedicated home console. And as a handheld, it can easily be on par with the dedicated handheld. Just think of it as the deluxe edition, so it will be the middle bracket of the three SKU's price wise:
Handheld $180 - $195
Hybrid $225 - $250
Home console $250 - $300
And I don't think that they are going to launch all three at the same time. During the first announcement they will possibly also explain that NX is not a single device, but an ecosystem/infrastructure, much like Apple or Android has, and as such, we can expect multiple devices, all sharing the NX architecture and being part of the same software platform/OS.
Not much to say on the whole Shield thing. I see them withering away because sales for these devices are decidedly tepid. They earn so much more with their PC range of products, it isn't even funny anymore, so I'm expecting their own range to move out of that space entirely within 2 to 3 years tops.
That doesn't mean that they could not provide their SoC's to others, obviously, so we'll know soon enough if they are in the Nintendo NX handheld and/or hybrid or not.
Now I'm gonna go and see what news I can dig up from that CEDEC convention that DMP is attending. I'll be back if there's some interesting news to share...
@ThanosReXXX I've spent too much time worrying about Hot Chips over the past month, and it lead me right back to square one - Parker is for cars, but them making troll comments about gaming, so you can have DMP. Though if you wanted a break I could google it a few times over the next few days, I'm not expecting much though anyway, only you, HNF and I even mention DMP, and now aaron.
I do think portables are a viable 3rd party option though. As Android and iOS games get closer to "real" videogames there will be more desire to play those w/ buttons and joysticks, and hooking up a controller to a tablet doesn't seem as viable to me as a normal portable. And those are few and far between. Amazon will make 1 at some point, they make everything. This is ugly, and I think Sony might make a DS4 w/ a screen for remote play.
I think Nintendo needs a tablet b/c its cheaper than $180-$195 and they are so deeply embedded in their current kiddie mindset promoting $79 2DS they need to keep that going w/ a tablet. OK, so maybe it isn't a true tablet, maybe it's a New 2DS w/ only 1 screen, but I think $129 is the magic price for a kids toy.
Have you spent any time on this site?
or this one
Why throw all of that away by not giving parents a cheap NX?
@rjejr Thanks for the offer, but I don't need a break: work is still not in full gear because of the summer, so I can't reach the people I need to sell my services, so I'm stuck at home doing nothing and my little bit of cash reserve that I built up in the first few months is all but gone because I had to invest part of it back into the company. So keeping up with news surrounding anything that could possibly have something to do with NX is a nice distraction from the boredom...
As for DMP: they've been Nintendo's sole provider of handheld SoC's since the original 3DS, so why it would seem so unlikely to you is completely beyond me. It is in fact VERY likely, especially if you look at DMP's partners, the capabilities of the new chip and the plans that they have for the future. And that's why I think we will see some info coming concerning that in the weeks to come.
Might be that they will only do a SoC for the dedicated handheld, but it's all but confirmed that DMP will remain a Nintendo partner. Nintendo has been very satisfied with their services so far, so no strategic or even financial reason to cut those ties. And DMP is also mentioning Nintendo on their own site as a current partner, along with words like "strong ties" and "a continued cooperation". 1 + 1 = still 2, my friend.
And no, I haven't been visiting Play Nintendo. Nothing much for me there. Maybe after the NX reveal and after I've finally been able to buy one, which will probably not be at launch, since my money will still be going in other directions by then. But maybe I'll get lucky. Nàh, probably not...
@ThanosReXXX The logic is there for DMP, it's in new 3DS, but google DMP and NX and all you get is HNF.
And I'm not sure of it's portability from PS4. Or it's power. I'm not sure it could play Xbox One games. I could see it for a New 2DS for kids, aka my NX tablet, but since you don't think that exists, I'm not sure where DMP fits in. I still like the idea of a Nintneod tablet, even if it's compeltely removed from NX, like Amazon Fire is sort of removed from Google Play. Even if it's only marketed towards 4-11 year olds playing Disney games, get those young'uns hooked early.
What's the latest on your search for what makes it special? Choose anything yet? Free form screen, haptic feedback?
Has there ever been a console backwards compatible w/ 2 consoles, 3DS and Wii U? That would be something. PS4 may have gotten both Vita and PS3 games I suppose.
@rjejr "but google DMP and NX and all you get is HNF"
Simplest explanation: NDA's. Nintendo never acts as others do, so the fact that both Microsoft and Sony have revealed almost all their plans until 2018 doesn't mean a thing, and Nintendo has never followed suit in that regard.
And I don't Google DMP, I just visit their site and their own forum. Get information from the horse's mouth, not from spectators. Which is also why I'm following all these conferences and events directly, instead of waiting for some tech site to report on it.
The Dutch tech site that I mentioned a couple of times earlier was also royally late with reporting on Hot Chips, so I already knew most of that before they even considered it a good idea to make an article about it.
But even though HNF is only a lone YouTuber claiming to have inside information, the position he is currently holding could easily give him access to developers and such since he is fishing in the same pond.
When I was still working for HP and Google back in the early 2000's I also had contacts at Nintendo Germany. Unfortunately they've either gone themselves or were let go of when the whole transition of the headquarters began.
I have to clarify the tablet thing: It's not that it couldn't exist, it's just that I don't see the need, nor do I feel that a tablet is something Nintendo would do, regardless of the Wii U GamePad, which I still say was never meant to be a tablet, but later on they changed that because of the rise of tablets during development of the Wii U.
Now, taking into account that code name NX is supposed to be a FULL departure from the whole Wii/Wii U family, how does something that looks a little too much like a GamePad fit in?
And DMP fits in where a successor for the New 3DS is concerned: the NX handheld. It's no more than logical that they will be involved in making that because of all the things that I already mentioned in my previous comment.
What you SHOULD be asking yourself is: "How the hell could Nvidia, who has NEVER ever done a SoC for Nintendo before, fit into this?", especially in light of a COMPLETE lack of tangible information to support any claims towards that. I only believe official sources and/or people that are not afraid to reveal their so-called reliable sources.
I constantly reveal where I get all my information from, so anyone with more than two brain cells can verify what I'm basing my statements on and decide for themselves how valid that information is. Simply saying that you've checked and that you are sure or that you know isn't enough, not by a long shot. Even p**** me off to some extent.
And I stopped searching for the special thing. According to HNF it is the mix between VR and AR with some special controller, but we'll see...
As for the double backward compatibility: I've seen and heard rumors concerning the handheld having dual card slots so it doesn't just play NX games, but also 3DS games, so who knows, maybe they'll put that in the home console too...
@Captain_Gonru No worries there, I'm not exactly following Windows phone; it's a VERY undesirable platform over here, as is the Surface tablet. Personally, I have a Samsung Galaxy S5 smart phone, and that's it.
And if Nvidia wants to make a SoC for them, they can go right ahead as far as I'm concerned...
They're already working together in the PC branch anyway, so it's not even such a strange theory that you came up with there.
But let's get on with the actual info: here's the website and info page of CEDEC, the event that we and our regular discussion partners @rjejr and @aaronsullivan should all keep an eye on.
And note that CEDEC stands for "Computer Entertainment Developers Conference". Computer Entertainment, NOT smart phone or tablet entertainment. And one of their bigger sponsors is the GDC (Game Developers Conference) in San Francisco.
Also note that Nvidia is not attending and not speaking there about the possible applications for their wonderful new Tegra X2, aka "autonomous car chip that could also be good for gaming".
DMP CEO on CEDEC 2016...
DMP CEO on SNUG2016...
Twitterpage of a Japanese tech guy/analyst...
Here's the picture enlarged, because in the translated page it might not work. At least it didn't for me for some odd reason...
All Google translated for your viewing pleasure, so expect slightly warped English, but I assume you guys are smart enough to make something readable of it...
And finally, some interesting discussions going on about the NX on a PC tech site:
(don't start at page one. The page I linked to and the ones after that are the only ones relevant to the current discussion)
@Captain_Gonru Did no one ever tell you to never take on a mad Titan? Especially one with mad skills in sales & marketing and a more than above average knowledge of IT related matters?
But all joking aside, that old meaning of the word has no bearing on the essence of the conference mentioned here. There will be no smart devices there to speak of, Nvidia isn't going to discuss its mobile SoC, and its all about next level graphics gaming and computing, something still not found on smart devices, even if they are coming ever closer to that and will probably be on par with true dedicated gaming systems in a year or two, three.
So, technically you're right, factually you're wrong as the evidence clearly shows. I rest my case... (and my body as well: it's 2.10am over here... )
You guys go ahead and have some fun without me for a couple of hours.
Here's another EuroGamer lookalike device:
If I'm not mistaken, @rjejr is already familiar with this one...
@ThanosReXXX Only 30 emails this morning, should be done by lunch.
"Now, taking into account that code name NX is supposed to be a FULL departure from thje whole Wii/Wii U family, how does something that looks a little too much like a GamePad fit in?"
B/c the tablet isn't supposed to be Wii U 2, it's supposed to be 2DS 2 (and after naming the new 3DS New 3DS, Nintendo might name it 2DS 2.)
2DS 2 (aka Aikun Morphus)
Though I also would like the ability for vertical or horizontal
Kids tablets are a business unto themselves that Nintendo should enter for brand recognition and planting the Mario seeds.
All the people on here always wanting a Ntinedo smartphone - b/c that worked out so well for Amazon, MS and Blackberry - I say forget the phone, hook the kids.
@Captain_Gonru MS Surface Mini
@ThanosReXXX Tegra X2
So you really don't want to call it Parker, do you?
That B3D forum was interesting, like us, but w/o a sense of humour. 2 things I learned, NX can't be DMP b/c only 800GF, and it can't be Parker b/c it's too big. So, back at square 1 yet again.
You know, all I really want are my Cloud and Bayonetta amiibo.
@ThanosReXXX You're linking to Gamevice vids now? Oh, you so know the NX tablet is coming, don't you.
Early in that vid, before the phone call, the guy was discussing all the games that are now available on iOS that work w/ tactile controls. I think that's why a Shield 2 or Amazon Fire Gamepad or even a MS tricorder could happen, w/ or without Nvidia, the "app" makers are starting to make "good" real games for real controls.
I think somebody will challenge Nintendo in the portable handheld space. Preferably w/o the sucky Ouya name. Amazon, Google, MS, even FB if Occulus goes well, Zuckerberg has too much money.
@Captain_Gonru Well, whether they will make a new phone or not, they probably will make some kind of tablet/Surface successor. They want to be in that space to get a piece of the pie, so they'll have to come up with something, and considering their shared games between Windows 10 and Xbox One, it wouldn't be all that odd to expect a tablet with similar capabilities, and to achieve that, they would indeed need something like a dedicated SoC. And because they are already working together in the PC market, the idea that Nvidia would also provide Microsoft's tablets with a graphics chip really isn't all that far fetched.
@rjejr Although you do bring up an interesting point on the 2DS successor, we have to remember that currently, the 2DS and 3DS are practically similar, except for the absence of the clamshell design and 3D viewing, so still wondering why they would even want to make something that different, considering the whole close ties thing between DMP and Nintendo's handhelds, effectively splitting up the 2DS/3DS family tree that is now working on the same hardware.
If the next dedicated handheld will be fitted with DMP chips, then so will the 2DS successor, because that's just a spin-off of the same handheld. No need to muddy the waters with different chipsets and capabilities...
That portrait oriented device is f-ing ugly. No way in hell would Nintendo come up with something like that. And the kids will be hooked by the upcoming Nintendo smart phone games, and that will bring them to actual gaming devices. That was the plan all along and they (Nintendo) have explained this multiple times already.
"So you really don't want to call it Parker, do you? "
Well, it IS a Tegra X2, and they keep calling the family tree exactly that. Parker is the name, but the SoC is a Tegra.
And take note of the fact that even Nvidia themselves seem to acknowledge that, seeing as they put Parker in between quotation marks in that reference chart you showed.
"NX can't be DMP b/c only 800GF"
As you would expect, I disagree. Even the M3000 is a HUGE leap upwards from the chipset currently used in the New 3DS, which is only 4.8 GFLops at 200MHz, whereas the M3000 is close to one TFlop and probably a lot faster too.
That means roughly two times the graphics power, where the difference between the original 3DS and the New 3DS was only an almost twice as fast CPU and double the memory, but the GPU was practically the same. except with some new functions.
With these new numbers you would have a 4DS, NX handheld or whatever you want to call it, at a graphics level that easily surpasses the PS Vita (which was 6.4 GFlops), so that would be a beast of a handheld, especially coming from Nintendo, and I have no idea why that would not be an option.
You can read up on it here, in some more "Google Translate-butchered" English, or simply watch this video from Studio Q giving a very good explanation of it all:
"You're linking to Gamevice vids now?"
No, not really, by now due to all the ever-increasing and contradicting info coming in still confirming absolutely nothing and the whole four-way discussion sessions because of that, I was in dire need of therapy, but since I'm still a gamer and also a tech fan, I thought I'd combine the two and as such I linked to "Unbox Therapy". Game Vice was just a quick jab in your general direction...
By the way, and totally off-topic (although it could be something to get kids hooked from a REALLY young age) have a look at this video he did. It's kind of hilarious, if your humor is anything even remotely like mine...
@ThanosReXXX "2DS and 3DS are practically similar"
Well, they were similar. Except it's been about 2 years since NEW 3DS and 3DS XL, but no NEW 2DS, so you have to compare the old and only 2DS to the NEW 3DS, in which case the 2DS is also lacking C-nub, NFC and stereo. Also, no "New" only games on 2DS such as XC and all those VC games. 2DS is really a toy compared to NEW 3DS, no super-stable 3D either. I'd agree w/ you more that 2DS was same as NEW 3DS if there was a NEW 2DS, but there isn't, so 2DS is practically a kids toy. And Nintneod could make a kids tablet that perhaps doesn't fit into the NX platform.
Either that, or support 2DS for 5 more years alongside NX, but that doens't seem feasible either. They have their new slogan aimed at kids, and their new commercials aimed at kids, I don't see them all of a sudden discontinuing their $79 2DS for a $199 NX and just stopping marketing to kids. 2DS will need a cheap kids replacement, and my vote is for a cheap tablet.
@rjejr I was talking about the innards being more or less the same, Captain Obvious...
And that is something which is even still the case if you compare the original 3DS to the new one. Still the same architecture save for the improved CPU and memory.
Suddenly giving one of these two devices from the same family completely different innards makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Not strategy-wise, not marketing-wise and not compatibility-wise. UNLESS that new DMP chip inside the 3DS successor is indeed easily emulated by Nvidia's Tegra X1.5 custom built console chip...
And NX is supposed to be the new, all-encompassing ecosystem for ALL upcoming devices for generations to come, so it would honestly surprise me if there's going to be a device that falls completely outside of that ecosystem.
Ergo: highly unlikely that this is going to happen.
@ThanosReXXX "highly unlikely"
That's a good start, when we get to completely insane - like taking the selling point out of the 3DS - the 3D - and selling a console that plays 3D games in 2D - then we'll be onto something.
Highly unlikely is usually Ninteod's starting point before they head straight into lost their flippin mind territory.
And if there isn't a tablet, there certainly won't be a phone.
Oh, forgot before...
"And the kids will be hooked by the upcoming Nintendo smart phone games, and that will bring them to actual gaming devices."
Miitomo didn't hook anybody, and Fire Emblem isn't going to be for kids. AC might be, but only if Pickachu visits the island. Show me "amiibo Island" for phones w/ NFC, then we'll talk.
I think DMP M3000 is ok for a tablet or handheld, I was just commenting on what I read in the Beyond3D forum you linked to. I still don't think it's strong enough for PS4 ports out to TV though, it's not home console poweful.
That video was pretty good. Someday we'll all have tiny phones plugged into our ears, then we'll have pockets for Shield 2.
Resistance IS futile.
@rjejr Yeah, Nintendo does have a habit of doing weird things. The 2DS was mind boggling to me when it first was released. Supposedly developed because kids could possibly get eye damage from the 3D.
There's a goddamn 3D-off switch on the device!!! Wtf do we need a 2DS for? And that's not even taking to account that a clamshell design is obviously far superior in regards to keeping those handheld screens nice and undamaged...
But the good side of their sometimes weird decisions is their quirkiness, which is exactly what I like about them. The Virtual Boy idea was good on paper, but it was simply WAY too advanced of an idea to be implemented well with the tech available at the time. And yet, they were on to something and stuck with it through the decades, otherwise we would now have never had a 3DS. And at one time there was even a plan for 3D on the GameCube. There is a 3D chip on the motherboard, but in the end, it was too complicated to implement that into games, because apparently it was extremely difficult to do in 3D games back then.
"And if there isn't a tablet, there certainly won't be a phone. "
See? I knew you would come around...
(never said there was going to be a phone in the first place, by the way. The phone came up in a discussion with @Captain_Gonru but only Windows-related, not Nintendo)
I don't know why you're expecting PS4 ports on the go or in a connect to TV mode, but the PS4 can also do the same with PS Vita, it just scales down the games, so a handheld that will be CONSIDERABLY more powerful than a PS Vita will easily be able to play downscaled versions of these games/ports.
The important thing to remember is that from all we have now gathered on factual info, the NX architecture will be compatible with all modern game engines. These engines are all scalable and as such can be displayed in all kinds of variation ranging from 720p/30fps with no extra effects on to full 1080p/60fps with all effects on highest settings, which makes it quite possible to share software between devices and/or display on TV.
"Resistance IS futile."
Denying facts is futile. And Picard won in the end, so screw the Borg...
Just dawned on me that if I, as a marketing man, had to do the campaign for the new Nvidia "Parker" fitted 2DS, then I would do kind of a cheeky reference to the origin of the hardware and advertise it as a "Hylian Shield", but people would probably call me Deku nuts...
@ThanosReXXX I'd buy a Hylian Shield, even if it does remind me of this.
But hey, it worked for iPad.
I had the same reaction to 2DS. What bothered me most was at the time there were people telling me - I really wanted a Kid Icarus port on Wii U - 3DS games coudln't be ported to Wii U b/c they would lose the 3D effect. Then Ntineod announced 2DS with no 3D effect. Everybody shut up after that. But yeah, seems to be a success story now. Still a piece of junk though. Mono speaker, hmph
I never said you said phone, or Gonru, just in general people have been wanting Ntinedo to make a smartphone for a few years now.
So, DMPs didn't out NX today I guess? I was out catching Pokemon w/ my kids, nice day out.
@rjejr Hey there, sorry for the late response. I had a busy few days with meetings and phone calls discussing business affairs and after that my head was so full that I wasn't really in the mood to chat on a game forum.
In hindsight that lovely picture you posted here would have brought a much needed smile to my face, but that's all water under the bridge now. The positive mood has also returned and I suddenly realized that I could never let the message backlog exceed more than 10, so here I am.
Interesting point on the 2DS, but one essential thing you keep forgetting: going from one dedicated handheld (3DS) to another (2DS) is something entirely different compared to going from a dedicated handheld to a tablet, whether that's with or without detachable controllers, and that is one of the main reasons why I still oppose you on that point. And, as I also always say: an actual tablet/smart device just doesn't sound like something that Nintendo would do. They aren't followers.
Different iterations of their handheld models? Absolutely. A smart device? I just don't know. Anything is possible, I suppose, but it just doesn't feel right, if you get what I'm trying to say here.
As for DMP: because of all the business affairs I haven't been able to follow the proceedings at the CEDEC events, so I'm kind of behind the facts there. But if something interesting would have come up, I'm pretty sure that one of our infamous YouTube friends would have made a video on it, and I happen to have watched these yesterday evening, so no news indeed.
But of course that doesn't have to mean anything: if Nvidia not saying anything about NX during their Parker demo doesn't mean that they're not doing business with Nintendo, then DMP saying nothing should be judged in the same way.
@ThanosReXXX ah, you were working, too bad, I was hoping you had a 2nd date and it lead to a long weekend in bed.
I know you must have more than 10 NL emails just from our little gang, we kept busy as Reggie spoke and yet another rumour.
And feel free to disagree w/ me all you want, I get bored when people agree w/ me anyway. And depressed, as I almost always take the critical viewpoint of things and I need dissenting views to cheer me up. Well, dissenting views, or long weekends in bed.
I'm guessing that other email from you is back on topic, see ya there. And I was trying to keep up w/ youtube and Twitter in your absence, but I didn't see much of anything new. I didn't follow CEDEC b/c I figured that's what the youtube and twitter guys are for.
@rjejr In order for me to have had a second date, there would have had to be a first one, and there haven't been any (non-related or non-taken) women anywhere near me for the last few years, I'm afraid. Haven't been out much, due to the business plans and financial constraints before, during and after the start of my company.
That will soon change during the course of the coming 6 to 12 months, as business is picking up again. Slowly for now, but it will gain speed soon enough now that the holidays are well and truly over...
@ThanosReXXX Are you sure you didn't just have a first date that dind't go to well, but you said you'ld go out again if she called. Or something. Mostly everybody else I know on here is married or I don't discuss personal stuff w/ then, only Ninty stuff. Oh well, maybe it was Jax, but I was pretty sure it was you. Sorry about that, humble apologies. (Now excuse me while I go read over all my comments the past month or 2, probably a few hundred, until I find it, b/c I'll never let it go.)
@rjejr No my friend, that wasn't me. Been solo so long, I would have definitely remembered that. Or I was drunk and talking out of the other end when I made that kind of a comment...
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