Dragon Quest XI Is Coming To The Nintendo 3DS And Nintendo NX

But will it be localised?

now we just need it to be localised same as 7 and 8

not to mention DS/3DS versions of 1,2 & 3

Ugh, I said I'd be happy whatever platform it was on, but not a fan of splitting it between two drastically different machines. The 3DS version will seriously limit the potential of the PS4 game, but I won't want to play on a handheld while knowing there's a console version.

Really happy to hear Level 5 is involved. About time they got back to work on a game that wasn't based around a kids anime show!

The PS4 install base in the west makes a localization very likely me thinks. An they can of course share the translation between versions.

@Peach64 Toy Logic is handling the 3DS version.

Not that I mind, but I'd still like to play DQX on the Wii U in the west. The PS4 has FFXIV. No reason for another potentially great MMO for the Wii U to stay in Japan exclusively.

The fact that whether you enter a battle while using the circle pad or d-pad seems to determine whether the battle plays out in 3d or 2d has totally won me over for some reason. Just think that is a really cool quirk.

@kensredemption DQX and DQXI are coming to NX.

It really sucks that also DQ10 is apparently coming to PS4, and let me guess it will be a global release.

Why can't Squeenix make an effort and release DQ10 in the west as well?

To NX huh? Intriguing new indeed. 3DS version looks brilliant.

On 3DS, but no Wii U. FFS Squeenix.

the NX too, well the system must be coming out in the next few years then

The use of the dual screen's of the 3DS is simply awesome. I've only ever really played a single Dragon Quest game (it was the eighth one, I think), and at that I only found it to be okay, but that 3DS version certainly does capture my interest. It's a turn based RPG and I do love that genre, so I may consider getting it... if it, y'know, ever manages to be released worldwide.

Very interesting twist that it will also be on NX! The question is will it be a port of the PS4 or 3DS version.

The PS4 version is developed by Orca, not L5.

@Peach64 Both versions have different developers and gameplay, they wont effect each other.

Oh no! game announcements for the nx, please no, to early! poor Wii U
And btw i'm sure Wii U could manage this game!

Wouldn't be surprised if this was a launch game for the NX. Next E3 will be massive one for Nintendo.

I'm pleased that it is coming to the PS4. I've wanted to play another console Dragon Quest ever since VIII. Of the two versions I think it is more likely to get a worldwide release simply because of the vast PS4 market in the west compared to Japan.

On the 3DS version I like the SNES styled graphics on the bottom screen. Very cool.

NX too?! Did not see that coming.

@Grumblevolcano @Xilef After seeing the footage of both versions I'm pretty reassured they won't negatively impact each other. Back to beinh super excited

I'll add it to the list.

Games I'd buy if Square Enix got their act together (and localised them):

• Dragon Quest VII (3DS)
• Dragon Quest VIII (3DS)
• Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland (3DS)
• Dragon Quest Monsters: Cobi/Tara's Adventure (3DS)
• Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 (3DS)
• Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 2 (3DS)
• Theatrhythm Dragon Quest
• Dragon Quest XI

It's looking more impressive every day

Interesting, that's pretty much like playing a 3D game and 2D game at the same time, it looks very cool, but I also fear it a lot, how am I supposed to focus on a screen when both look so great and different? I can already feel my eyes like in a pinball, bumping up and down desperately XD

"Luckily" the risk is null since how much Squarenix love to localize Dragon Quest in the west >.>;

@Geonjaha me too! Bought every Dragon Quest DS release, and have been starving since. Hope something aside from DQ Heroes comes to the west, one day.

Food for thought: everyone is assuming the NX rev has to be a port from PS4 (or 3DS), but there's a third option: it could be its own, unique, game, especially if the emphasis on AR and the like is true.

Aw man, it's coming out on the NX. Wonderful...

The fact that they're already talking about porting games to NX implies that it'll be releasing sooner rather than later.

Well, this pretty much confirms that NX is a home console, and probably a successor to Wii U.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of Dragon Quest series, but those who are, good for them.

I didn't expect talk of games coming to the NX so soon.

@Koniec well most developers are pretty much treating the WII U as HD Wii at this point so I would be ok with the NX coming out in the next few years to get Nintendo back in the game

This is awesome news! The first game officially announced for NX & its an epic new Dragon Quest?! Hell yeah!!

I really hope this means that Nintendo is still developing for Wii U. It would make sense if they were focusing on their next project and calling it quits on their current system - but I hope we've still got a few surprises left.

Now let's just hope Nintendo doesn't give NX another horrible name.

I don't see Square Enix wanting to produce three different versions of the game, that's understandable as it's resources they'd rather put elsewhere, especially if said resources were to be on a yet to even be revealed system like the NX.

I look at this as a good reason to speculate that the NX, what ever it is, is far closer to the PS4 in terms of specs than the 3DS or Wii U. In fact I'd it were Wii U specs or similar, then I'm sure there would be no problem porting it to both.

@retro_player_22 So Wii Thrii Pii-O wouldn't work for you then?

Nice, this was totally unexpected tbh. Now which version shall I get?

Goodbye WiiU, you were a great if a little bit slow friend ;_;

Sounds like NX might support UE4 then. That'll be a good boost for 3rd party support, vs Wii U, which doesn't have UE4 support. It implies either that NX has similar architecture to something else UE4 already supports, or that Square Enix already has some NX devits. Still lots of "if's" though, so not going to read too heavily into it.

So are we to understand that the NX isn't coming west? (JK - because of the DQ games they've featured - it is a joke - I joke)

Also really hoping Nintendo just stick with the NX name. Maybe the "X" bit stands for "Xbox" and Nintendo are actually just going to make a storefront on Windows 10, which in turn will then work with Xbox as well as PC's, Windows phone/tablet etc. seriousface

OK - so I've put about $1000 into my Wii U - I never expected Nintendo to drop support for a system this fast. I am a diehard fan - but this is really too soon. 2 and a half years? Come on now. A system is supposed to go a good 4 years before we start hearing about the next one. SMH. It makes you start to think about the next system. Is this next system just gonna be around for a few years? Seriously.

@JamesCoote I like the name "Nintendo" - just call it the "Nintendo"

@Geonjaha Dragon Quest... Dragon Quest everywhere. And here I was calling Square Enix the Final Fantasy milking devs. Though I'd hate to be the party pooper, but with SE especially when it comes to this series, we could be waiting a long time for these games. That's why I'm not really worried about the Wii U, even if DQXI comes out next year, chances are SE will have no problems doing a port if the NX launches later than that, so again people are being a bit presumptions saying this is a sure fire sign that NX is launching next year, definitely thickens the plot, though.

Biggest thing about this? First NX game confirmed!!!

I guess the NX is coming next year so. I'm excited!! I need to know more!

Hope it comes to the west as I'd Ger it for the NX even though I've never actually played a DQ game in my life.

Big news guys!

@vitalemrecords this is Square-Enix bud, they're kinda a different company entirely, who don't give a crap about Nintendo, its fans or the Wii U. Nintendo on the other hand are already confirmed to be releasing, what, near a dozen great games still to come on the Wii U? Most before the end of the year? Kinda got your facts mixed up I reckon.

well that was unexpected at least NX (i kinda figure it came to 3DS and maybe PS4 before it was announced officially for that platformer) but i didnt think anybody knew that this was coming to the NX

@vitalemrecords it will be 3 years in November

By the time the NX hits it will be pretty much 4 years

There are your 4 years

Both versions look very beautiful to my eyes... here's hoping we'll actually get to play it.

@vitalemrecords by the time NX releases, the Wii U will have been out for 4 years (assuming it releases in 2016)
Beaten to it! Lol

This is good news for NX

We shouldn't get too excited, what if the NX version is just a port of the 3DS version?

The funny thing about Dragon Quest is that it exists on both portables and non-portables. And because it's most popular in Japan obviously portable versions sell better. So whatever the NX is of course it's coming to the NX.

The Wii U missing out on it? Well that's kinda interesting.... but only because the PS4 is getting it. So are they skipping the Wii U because they don't want to bother with two console ports? That between the Wii U and PS4 they think the PS4 is the safer bet? Possibly. Or maybe as others have speculated it's because the NX will replace the Wii U by then? Kinda hard to tell really.

Now if we heard that the next Pokemon was on the NX or that Zelda was going to launch on NX? Now that'd tell us something. Definitively. Dragon Quest? eh....

@vitalemrecords Must admit, to people who have no knowledge of gaming, I usually just say "I'm working on a game for Nintendo's latest console (the Wii U)" since it's too difficult to explain that it's not the Wii, but the Wii 2 but it's not actually called that. Same as I just refer to PS4 and X1 as the more generic "Playstation" or "Xbox" and most people nod as they've actually heard of those. Except my Chinese teacher, who had never heard of Nintendo...

@vitalemrecords WiiUs are not $1000. Its actually cheaper than your phone. If you put that money on it you just have to enjoy the games you HAVE.

@Darknyht I'd rather call it the NEPTUNE, and its controller, the NEPGEAR! If you're going to name a console, you may as well reel in Compile Heart and nab yourself a cute set of mascots.
NEP = Nintendo Entertainment Platform

Contrary to popular expectations, I believe that this confirms NX to be a handheld, though.

Also. Wiiu is prettynmuch dead with thak announcement. Only SmTxFE mario maker and star fox down the line.

Most certainly the 3DS version will be an instant-buy for me. The way they use the two screens is absolutely great IMO.

I wonder how often we're going to be hearing those words "coming to NX" before Nintendo announces anything?

Isn't Dragon Quest X also coming to NX?

@Mogster I think the NX version could actually maybe perhaps be a port of the 3DS version! No mobile hardware is powerful enough to run UE4 and if the NX is a console/portable hybrid then I reckon it will be primarily a handheld rather than the other way round.

What ever the NX is it can support Unreal engine 4. The support for UE4 for the WiiU is still being worked on with the development of Bloodstained.

We really need a direct speaking of upcoming wiiu games

Hopefully the 3ds version is like DQIX as it was the best game in the series. It had an unlimited number of customisable people, LOTS of quests and a bunch of DLC. Let's just hope this game's the same.

@Desy64 I agree. Otherwise they might as well declare the Wii U dead at this point. It's really sad.

In the future use our trading thread for giveaways.

~TW

I really love the "vintage" Map style on DQ XI on 3ds.

Very excited for the ps4 version which will probably be localized in the west, since many jrpg are coming on ps4 and Vita lately. I am also interested in the Minecrafty Dragon Quest, it looks really amazing, and the DQ X MMO.

The announcement of NX version of DQ XI, skipping WiiU, is another signal that the retirement of the current console is very close....

@whodatninja I fear that the WiiU is dead. I mean, everything that happened from e3 on point to this.

HOLY CRAP!!!

@arnoldlayne83 It might backfire for them this time around.

I won't support another generation of false promises and fan service ingenuity

@whodatninja Xenoblade X might be the last big game on WiiU, as ZeldaU looks more and more to be also on NX

@Desy64 #70 Yes, I agree. I will definitely wait before investing my money in another N console next time

Assuming it makes it stateside this is great news and I will likely end up getting it on the 3DS since I like my traditional rpgs on handheld systems. Now where are the remakes of 7 and 8?

I'm frankly pooping a brick because the first real piece on information on the NX comes as a third party multiplatform announcement. That being said I'm sure i saw somewhere that DQXI was ps4 exclusive implying that the NX one will be more in-line with the 3DS game as its another handheld @_@ huge announcement, tells us nothing

RIP Wii U.

I will be getting this on 3DS and will be looking at the bottom screen the whole time!! What a fantastic and unique use for it 😀 2D RPG's are always the best!!! (As long as it comes out in Europe)

AM I ALLOWED TO CRY

Cool. This is now the first official announcd game for NX. Two things are of interest:

1. A third-party developer announces a game in before Nintendo has officially unveiled the console or future games. Square Enix has thus already a DevKit and found NX good enough to publish a blockbuster like DQ for it. This gives us hope for the future in terms of 3rd Party Support.
2. Recently there was the rumour NX does not compete with the PS4 in graphics. But since the game also appears for the Playstation the NX version is either much better or is based on the 3DS version. (hybrid console)

I think that NX is a WiiU Gamepad 2.0, has a 3DS slot to upscale 3DS games for the television. But that's just a guess.

As for the 3DS version. Cool idea with the two graphic styles. I like it very well. I would probably buy it. And I hope they release it in the west.

@Desy64 If the new Zelda doesn't come to WiiU then Nintendo have screwed me over. I was late to the party and got the console for MK8, but more so for Zelda U. I'll not be getting the NX on principle, as stuff like this leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I'll stick with my PS4. Shame, the WiiU is a great little console with some fantastic games (eventually), but it seems as soon as they made the console worth buying, they kill it off within a year or 2. This is the time they got a big boost in sales (understandable, since there were finally a bunch of exciting games to play and apparently on the way), so that's a lot of consumers from this period who are gonna feel burned.

I hope this is wrong and Zelda U does come to WiiU and some more decent announcements come, but it seems the NX dev kits are out there and the WiiU is already being lowered into it's grave, even sooner than I feared.

Rant over, back to Yoshi's Woolley World and The Journey. Ahhhh, that's better.

Great news. Will consider it on ps4 or NX. Mark my words NX will launch by April 2017, regardless of what it is.

@Ouch Yep! Agreed, back to Dragon Age and Yoshi with my wife

Sammy at Push square says this isn't confirmed for NX, only under condideration.

There is also a 4 minute video, which looks a lot like Zelda U, which means we have now seen more footage of this NX open world game than the Wiig U open world game.

NX will probably get the 3DS version, not the PS4 version.

That bang bang bang you hear is the final nails in the Wii U coffin.

You picked a good day to stay away @BLPs but if you do show up bring plenty of straws.

Dang, I wish there was a picture in the presentation that said it's coming to NX. I just want to see the announcement for myself

These Dragon Quest games take a long time to come out. NX or the Ultimate Super Nintendo Entertainment system might come in 2017 after all. The other thing I noticed though is that the NX could be as potent as PS4 or weak as the 3DS. Guaranteed hybrid. I'm a corporate magician!

Oooh; I like the idea of the 3DS version showing the two different styles—a lot.

Always been interested in the Dragon Quest series, but never got a chance to play one of them.

@Desy64 At #70, as soon as the NX announcement for DQX and DQXI was made I automatically thought of the NX's future being very similar to the Dreamcast. SEGA (Nintendo) abandoning the Saturn (Wii U) making fans not being able to trust the company when the Dreamcast (NX) is released hence another failed console and becoming a third party begins. I'm not sure third party would exist with Nintendo given SEGA had financial issues, but there would definitely be major problems for sure.

Look in contrast to a prime case where caring for your fanbase despite not great selling console benefits hugely. The PS3 was a complete mess at launch but Sony kept giving new games for many years, despite being bottom of the big 3. It kept the fanbase happy and then they announced the PS4 in 2013 which became a huge success (even though it's only been out for less than 2 years).

Confirmed for the NX? Talk about putting the carriage in front of the horse! Hopefully this news means that games can easily be ported from the PS4 to the NX. Just don't expect people to pay $60 for a game we can get for $20 on another system!!!

@ALinkttPresent Gematsu translates it as "considering", not confirmed. Which may be the truth, or it may mean Squenix got a nasty phone call from Nintendo after their announcement so they are back pedaling. Take your pick, I'm still waiting for Project Cars on Wii U.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gematsucom/status/625978013419741184

@Darknyht That's certainly in the same vein as Wii U D2

Sounds like Square got their wrists slapped by Nintendo for the NX part of this announcement. But still I'll jump on the bandwagon: NX 2016 confirmed, Wii U dead R.I.P, Zelda U NX confirmed, Nintendo 3rd party confirmed, Nintendo R.I.P confirmed etc...

Looks like they've already backed out of a full commitment to those games coming to the NX. Now they're saying "It is under consideration, but we don’t have further information to share at the moment,” regarding NX versions.

Christ; it's like the Wii and Wii U third party situation all over again. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come

I'm worried about third party support on NX already, and the thing hasn't even been shown yet.

@BLPs Don't die BLPs! Who am I going to drink with? And if you read my above posts apparently nothing has been confirmed, just the usual NL trolling.

According to ign they are just considering it for nx.

@TheLastLugia with the fact that the 11th Dragon Quest game isn't coming out on the Wii U - but 10 is on the Wii U - but can be played on the NX - that means Nintendo didn't push for Squenix to put it out on the Wii U. With the game coming out fairly soon - the main reason to not put it on the Wii U would be information regarding Nintendo's commitment. Of course they are different companies - but news like this is writing on the wall.

@vonseux Right - Wii U's are not $1000. I've bought about a hundred and fifty games so far for it - when I bought the Wii U two years ago I didn't expect to be having to buy a new console so soon. Just saying. I hope the next system lasts longer that this one.

I'm a little concerned that they are even mentioning the nx even for consideration when they have a perfectly good system in the wiiu but whatever.

I know I'll get it for 3ds and this pushes me a little to get a ps4 but i likely wont get it for ps4 until a price drop of the game or unless a localization announcement hits.

@TheLastLugia and I love Nintendo - not a hater in the slightest - but there are maybe 4 big Nintendo games coming before the end of the year. Mario Maker. Star Fox. Xenoblade..... Yoshi's Wooly World? Mario Tennis? Ok I've got five... what seven more do you mean?

Lools like amazing, but what about bringing to the west, while waiting for Dragon Quest VII and VIII for the west.

They say now that it will come to the NX, that they will support the system and all this yadayada..

And then when the system launch is close they cancel the game..

@Ichiban Right - and if you look at what I said - 4 years before the system is announced. So we shouldn't even be hearing about the console until at least 2016. We started hearing about it at the end of 2014. Just saying - it doesn't make me super confident in their next venture. I'm programmed at this point to buy the next nintendo system - even if they call it the "virtual boy 2" and it looks just like the virtual boy. I'm just voicing my concern.

@Faruko Right - look at what I said - it should be 4 years before the next system is even announced - it only took them 2 years - news was out before christmas this past year. 2 years doesn't equal 4 years.

LOL, so the Wii U is basically dead. The 3DS, PS4 and NX. Totally skipping the Wii U.

@vitalemrecords I said most of them are coming out this year, you can include Fatal Frame to that list, then you have Pokken Tournament, Zelda U and SMT X FE which I'm very excited for, so that's what 9 or 10 already confirmed? And Nintendo are supposedly the bad guys here for abandoning their system? Never implying you were a hater by the way, I've already identified who they are in this site, just wanted to point out that a company already planning to release 10 games for the system they are 'abandoning' doesn't add up to me, particularly when if the NX launches late 2016 that's 4 solid years, which isn't quite the same as abandoning in a 2 year lifespan as you said.

Zelda is still coming to the Wii U so I don't know why this announcement has anything to do with that. They haven't even talked about the NX yet. And with Nintendo's track record with consoles it won't even be out for two more years. Zelda is coming out 2016. SE hasn't even given a release window on these games so who says they are even coming out next year. People need to take a chill pill.

Well, since I'll sitll be waiting vor DQ 7 and 8 by the time XI comes out, I wont be getting my hopes up of ever seeing this game on my 3ds. Sorry Square, but if you don't want non-japanese money for those three games, why do you still bother to even announce them?

Sad to see that the Wii U is indeed dead. I'll be getting the remaining top games and jump the next console generation. Backlog is big enough to make a stand.

@TheLastLugia You can't count Pokken Tournament and Zelda U, for all we know they're NX games.

This all but confirms the intended power of the NX as being on the same playing field as PS4 if nothing else. For a developer to be developing for twp home consoles the spec needs to be similar, so the concerns of NX being severely underpowered again are proven wrong

This made my day. Unless the NX version is seriously underwhelming, that's the one I'll be getting.

(Assuming it gets localized, of course...)

@DESS-M-8 I wouldn't say that the NX will be as powerful as the PS4. As it can be something that will support nearly all game engines possible like Cry engine etc.

Either way, glad Nintendo got Dragon Quest as their.......Ok, I don't know if this one acts like third party or second party since dragon quest does well on Nintendo systems generally. But its good news none the less.

It it's released outside of Japan, then this will be a must have for me. The only DQ game I played was IX, and I loved it. Maybe if I find time I might go back and play some of the older ones.

@DJKeens you do realise they said this because Nintendo would have got on it for them to shut their month.. And zip it

Yeah they seemed certain during the live stream but now its pulled back to "considering" that dose sound like they got an angry phone call

@Artwark There is no such thing like "second party". Dragon Quest is of course a third party game.

@DESS-M-8 or its an handheld and its getting an advanced port of the 3ds one... not saying that's the case but that this doesn't prove anything about the system it's self

@Grumblevolcano yeah OK then, I won't count Zelda U for Wii U. I mean, it's not like Miyamoto and Reggie have said they've seen it recently on Wii U and it looks great. Thanks for clearing up the issue, there was absolutely no indication that Zelda U is a Wii U game, but you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zelda U U U U U U U is in fact an NX game, and not a Wii U one. I'm sorry but sarcasm aside that might be the most stupid things I've ever read on the internet, I'll give you Pokken, albeit there's absolutely nothing that says it will never come to Wii U but are you for real? So when the Zelda U trailer is shown in the next 6 months I can't get excited for buying it on my Wii U? Even if it is confirmed AGAIN to be a Wii U game will you be there to tell me it doesn't count? Because I'll look forward to it.

ZeldaU will be just like Twilight Princess, I guess.

I guess Hunter X Hunter's never getting finished then

@Zalbet Nope.

@abe_hikura Well of course it's an angry phone call type thing, before this announcement people had finally calmed down about NX and things were looking more about the great things Wii U has to offer over the next few months. Here we are now back to "The Wii U is dead".

Meanwhile, in North America...

@shigulicious "games can be easily ported from the 3DS to NX"

Fixed it for ya.

Dragon Quest IX was my favorite DS Game. Please Localize Dragon Quest X and XI, that would make me so happy.

@Grumblevolcano have to agree with you there, this negativity has gone beyond getting on my nerves. Nintendo could showcase Zelda U, a new Metroid game for Wii U and many others in their next Direct and the haters would still come out with the same rubbish. Just leave the Wii U alone if you hate it that much, I'm tired of pointing out how the Wii U's lineup is more than satisfactory as is.

@pherret022 IX really was a great game, I just hope the reversal of the numerals won't mean a reversal of quality lol. I'd love to play that game again.

Cool. Hopefully we get DQ VII and VIII before these are released.

NX confirmed gaming console..?

@vitalemrecords yeah, I have the same felling has you...

Bodes well for specs of NX if it has the same version of game as the PS4! Come on, what is it already? Thought it wasn't replacing the Wii U! Looks like it might at the moment. Poor Wii U, it's actually great to play on.

@rjejr Hey stop that! You guys are going to make me start drinking too

No games coming out for Wii U anymore? This has got to be Nintendo's shortest life span for a console. I mean, Wii U came out after 3DS and is dead already.

Maybe, Dragon Quest 11 will only support the New 3DS? I got a feeling it will run on Unity for 3DS.

So NX is a regular console now? Wasn't it a VR? Or a mobile or a tablet? I thought it was a laptop.

Here's hoping we get localisations for both xi and x.i guess that means nx is coming sooner rather than later I've never played an mmo so a localised x may be enough to tempt me.

@TheLastLugia Right - and most of those aren't coming out this year - so you aren't up to 9 or 10 - Zelda is next year - SMT x FE is next year - so yeah - you're at maybe 6 games for this year. I said a system shouldn't be announced for 4 years after the last one - for posterity purposes - it doesn't give me confidence that they will support thier next system for an appropriate amount of time. After you anounce the system - there would be two years before it is released. That would bring the grand total to 6 years. Or 2018 for the NX. Wow. The amount of times you've been wrong is astonishing, BTW. Just go away if you don't know what you're talking about.

@TheWPCTraveler You're guess is as good as mine on the name. With NX being a nod towards Next, as in Nintendo's next era of consoles. I expect it to be something as strange as the DS was when it released. They have taken that concept as far as it can go. Likewise, home console tech built upon the Gamecube has reached it's end.

As for what it will be called when it releases, that will be interesting. Hopefully it will be more like the Gamecube or NES in name and less like the Wii and Wii U.

@DJKeens agree

Love your profile pic BTW

OK, they had me at "Level 5". Bring it to the west, NOW!

@vitalemrecords When a system is announced, it is usually released the following year with Nintendo so that would put it at 5 years, that being 2017, if they announced the NX at 4 years into the Wii U's life span however, that is not always the case. Nintendo could release the NX the same year they announce if they want. There is no rule saying they cannot do this. Sony and MS proved that with their latest consoles and Nintendo could easily lean towards this practice as well.

@ikki5 the NX was announced in 2014 - the Wii U came out in 2012. What math are you using?

@vitalemrecords: Nintendo didn't announce NX. They just said they were working on a new console/project with codename NX. That is a normal situation in this business.

@vitalemrecords The never announced it, they said they were working on something that is a dedicated gaming platform (in other words, not saying it is a home console or handheld though majority of the evidence so far has pointed to home console) and calling it the NX right now. The official announcement will be next year at (or around) E3. That is where my math is coming. Next year will be the Wii U's 4th year on the market.

Neither X nor XI are confirmed for NX;they're only under consideration for it.
Anyway, PS4 version looks beautiful while 3DS version looks cute and retro. I'm saddened that there isn't a Vita version, but oh well.
It's interesting to see them make a new major RPG on both the strongest console and the weakest console of the 8th generation though.
One gives them a ton of freedom to let their ideas flow and create a huge world while the other challenges them to work within extremely strict limitations to try to deliver game that can at least be an accompaniment to the stronger version.

@vitalemrecords I'm just showing you the support the Wii U is getting, I said MOST of those games are out by the end of the year how is that hard to comprehend? Yeesh calm down dude, you don't need to attack people for showing you how you're wrong. There's 6/7 really good Wii U games coming out before the end of the year, already two, likely 3 (Pokken) next year, is that not enough for you? And as people have pointed out the damn NX hasn't been announced, you've got a Codename and a hell of a lot of rumours, that's it. Enjoy your Wii U dude, I sure am, and Nintendo sure aren't abandoning it.

@rjejr Oh man, I don't know where to put the "/sarcasm" in your comments anymore. I'm confused. I need a drink, but it's way too early...
ON TOPIC: taking all this at face value and assuming this is correct, would mean that yet another piece of the puzzle falls into place.
By the way: I read your forum topic on the Android consoles being in competition with Wii U. Interesting and quite divisive, to say the least...

Wish this was on the Wii U, but it's on the 3DS, so yeah. Day one buy!

Guess this proves the NX is a home console well alrighty then. RIP Wiiu you pathetic console that couldn't even get COD to stay with you LMAO! Oh and @TheLastLugia Someone's in denial,don't you see? It's right front of you their killing off the Wiiu and going with the NX that's going to be announced next year!

@vitalemrecords @ikki5 The NX announcement (aka announcement that they're working on a new system) is pretty much on par for Nintendo.
Project Reality (aka the Nintendo 64) had a writeup in Nintendo Power in Fall 1993. I'm not sure of the exact issue, but that was the first mention I remember seeing of the Super Famicom/SNES successor (launched in November 1990 Japan, August 1991 USA). That's a little less than 3 years from the Super Famicom launch to serious talking about the next system. The Project Reality/Nintendo 64 system was not revealed, just the name and general aspirations.
The Gamecube was released in Fall 2001, and the Revolution name (which became the Wii) was unveiled at an E3 2004 presentation. That's 2 and a half years. The Wii/Revolution system was not revealed in 2004, just the project name and general aspirations. If I recall correctly, the controller and system wasn't shown off until Fall 2005.
The Wii U was released in Fall 2012, and the NX discussions began in earnest in Spring 2015. Once again, 2 and a half years. The system was not revealed, just the project name and general aspirations.

@TwilightAngel who are, Square Enix? Because they're 'thinking about' porting two games to the NX? You're right, how could I be so foolish! It's been there for so long, what was I thinking? Screw Starfox Zero, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, SMT X FE, Fatal Frame V,, Yoshi's Wooly World, Mario Maker and Zelda U (along with several Wii U games I haven't bought yet). Dragon Quest XI might be ported to NX guys! Stop playing your Wii U and Splatoon and stop being excited for loads more Wii U games because the NX is almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs and kisses everyone and thank you Square-Enix for helping me see the light.

@vincentgoodwin thank you, nice to see some facts around here and not incessant (and annoying) speculation. Also worth mentioning is the fact that NX was only mentioned because it was in tandem with the DeNA announcement, so the haters would be convinced they would be going full mobile. They were in a lose-lose situation really, but that's the internet for you.

@vincentgoodwin Yes but we were told that the NX would be talked about at E3 2016, in other words, probably an official announcement. Every system that they have done now, when the official announcement has been made, it has been released the following year. The Wii, was only ever talked about in 2004 and never really told what it even was, it was officially announced in the 2005 to be released in 2006. In 2004, they talked about them making a new console and it was called the Nintendo Revolution. It was talked about in the same sort of sense that the NX was talked about a few months ago. So no, the NX is not following with what other systems have done as it is already ahead of schedule as the NX was talked about 3 months before E3 while the "Nintendo revolution" was talk about during E3. They didn't wait until E3 to do what they did. There is an obvious good reason for it to be ahead of schedule too.

@vincentgoodwin That's spot on. Some good points.
@TheLastLugia Yeah, for us older people "the right to have access to the internet" is probably even worse than the right to bear arms. Some people should just be banned from the internet for life. It's the world's biggest open sewer...

That whole 3D on the top and sprites on the bottom is pretty amazing looking

This just makes NX sound like it could be a 3DS successor. Every other suggestion is just speculation by the writer of the article. It's interesting because recent speculation on this site (by a different writer probably) is that it's going to be a hybrid portable solution. If that's the case, the NX version is even more likely to resemble the 3DS version rather than the PS4 version.

I mean, I want a new console from Nintendo by end of 2016 and I love the Wii U and all the games we've been playing, but the best take away from this article is that Square Enix is bringing a big game to the NX, whatever it will be. That's good because it means Nintendo hasn't pushed at least one third party away from whatever the new platform is.

As for people excited about being right that the Wii U is being immediately abandoned. It's just funny to me who has enjoyed every minute of owning it and my kids are in the other room yelling and jumping up and down excited about playing the new Splatoon map. The failures of the Wii U as a business venture are huge, but the gaming has been fantastic from my view. Makes me excited to see what Nintendo has coming up, myself.

I've gotten plenty out of the Wii U since launch day and have a backlog even. For those who waited to buy later in its life to buy... well, just wait to buy NX until later in its life.

@TwilightAngel I doubt the NX will come in 2016, or else they would have talked about it this E3 instead of the next if it that near completion. The earliest the NX would launch is mid 2017. Nintendo consoles have the tendency of launching a year or two after they are revealed.

@TwilightAngel
You come to a Nintendo fan site to tell people their console is garbage? That's a lot of nerve.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you said (which is possible- if that's the case my apologies).

@Koniec No it couldn't. It's an unreal engine 4 game.

@aaronsullivan I like your positive take away spin. My take away - similar to ikki around #50 - was that regardless of whether NX is considered or confirmed, there was no mention of Wii U anywhere. Guess DQ 10 is never coming west. Well except on PS4.

I still think NX gets the 3DS port though.

@TwilightAngel 'read my post again not once did I say you're in denial'
reads post again
'Oh and @TheLastLugia looks like someone is in denial'
WTF? Are you OK or are you that desperate to try and wind people up about something just because you don't like it? You could have come back with some facts and tried to argue your case for how the Wii U is dead but most haters haven't done that around here. They seem to be allergic to facts, and thrive on rampant speculation.

@JaxonH It's not? Wow that's a shocker to me at least

@vitalemrecords Uhh, the Wii U will be out for 4 years by the time the NX releases. November 2016 probably.
Where the hell did you get that 2 and a half years from?

People all up in arms about "Wii U is dead, I can't believe Wii U is already being hung out to die"

Do you all realize just how catastrophic of a failure Wii U is from a business standpoint for Nintendo? It is the second worst performing system they have ever put out, period. Behind only the Virtual Boy. Sure, it's a fun system with many great games, but for whatever reason it just hasn't caught on, and at some point, Nintendo just has to put it out to rest. They aren't a charity, folks.

@Chaoz They already said they're not announcing it too early so competitors don't copy their ideas...
Jesus, it was reported on this exact website.

@TheLastLugia Oh no exclamations points? Damn and "Dragon Quest XI might be ported to NX guys! Stop playing your Wii U and Splatoon and stop being excited for loads more Wii U games because the NX is almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs and kisses everyone and thank you Square-Enix for helping me see the light." Just going to leave this here cause it's funny and "You could have come back with some facts and tried to argue your case for how the Wii U is dead but most haters haven't done that around here." If it wasn't dead why would Nintendo be getting this game ported to the NX? Why not the Wiiu? Cause of according to you it's not dead! Odd huh? They got it for the 3DS, why not the Wiiu Mr.Death?

@Melkac

Pretty sure no one really cares what Nintendo has "up their sleeve" any more. No one is going to "steal" their ideas, mid generation at that.

@vitalemrecords I like it, but they'll want something to distinguish it from the company itself. I'm thinking something like "NES HD," "NESX" or just "Nintendo X." I like the use of the X, except for the fact that it seems to call out to the XBox. Although the X would be confusing with the game "Xenoblade Chronicles X" coming out for the Wii U... But just do a super HD re-release!

Anyway, I think it's time to drop the Wii branding, and people seem to like names with letters and numbers in them, e.g. PS4, XBox1, DS, 3DS. And if it really is multiple systems with a unified architecture, I really like the idea of using the "Nintendo Entertainment System" terminology, since it really would be a system.

Anyway, the final name will probably not be "NX." Nintendo basically never sticks with their original codenames. The closest I can remember is "Ultra 64" becoming "Nintendo 64."

@The_Dude_Abides
Maybe, but at least Im gonna play some great games on it!

@rjejr Surprised you haven't made the comment that it's the first announced for the NX, not the first to it because of a delay

Watch Dragon Quest XI be exclusive to the PS4 in the west due to Sony localizing their version, but neither Nintendo nor SE localize the 3DS and NX versions. Almost the opposite of Monster Hunter. Almost.

Yeah it was confirmed, then later redacted.
Apparently, only it's "under consideration for the NX".

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-first-games-announced-for-the-nintendo-nx-are

@earthboundlink They stuck with the DS codename.

@Melkac Sure didn't stop them from showing off the Wii U gamepad early even though Sony already copy the Wiimote. Plus what @gatorboi352 said .Sony and Microsoft won't even pay attention to Nintendo latest gimmick unless it sells about as well as the Wii, but I doubt they'll even copy their gimmick after that seeing as how badly the Playstation Move and Kinect fail.

@TwilightAngel because Square-Enix are like pretty much all 3rd party devs and are only concerned about the bottom line? It's launching on the two most successful consoles of this gen, it's also, believe it or not, not coming to the Xbox One, does that mean that's dead too? But of course they got Rise of the Tomb Raider and guess how they got it? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It's all about money, not companies showing support to systems to prevent them from being dead. This while debate started with me replying to someone to show how NINTENDO (and not 3rd parties) aren't abandoning Wii U. If Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo wanted this exclusive they could've got it, just look at ROTTR, all they need is to give SE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ as Sony have done with Final Fantasy VII remake. SE not showing support to the Wii U doesn't mean anything, the only way it would've gone on the system is if Nintendo gave SE $$$$$$$$$$$$$. When Nintendo stop making Wii U games is the time when it is 'dead', just like what happened with the Wii.

WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES! Okay, okay...calm down Guru, calm down. Kay, I'm good. Wowza! This game looks AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!! The PS4 version is gorgeous and the 3DS version is charming as hell. That is a pretty wicked use the dual screens, can't believe it took 11 years after the DS launched for something that cool to happen with the dual screens! Now...the crushing reality...we have no less than 10 say it with me uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco, seis, siete, ocho, nueve, diez ,t-e-n Dragon Quest 3DS games that have failed to come westward in the last five years (dammit I can't believe the 3DS is that old already...) So the chances this 3DS DQ title changes the trend are slim to none But....the NX???? Maybe...maybe.

Also I notice that there is a lot of "Nintendo Fans" (NOTICE THE QUOTATION MARKS!) fear mongering the whole "Nintendo is DOOOOOOOOOOOMED" or "The Wii U is dead, #Nintendo3rdPartyForeverCONFIRMED!" So lets all stop and calm the hell down.
The facts:
The Wii U is Nintendo's worst selling console (Virtual Boy remains their greatest failure ever, but as a quick blip, not a major console), that sadly won't change
Nintendo has been in this boat before, do you remember??? No of course not. That was 15 years ago with the Gamecube, when the Xbox (one;)) and PS*2* were outselling the 'Cube at every turn. In a sense, history is repeating itself here. Nintendo killed the 'Cube in 2005/2006. That is 4-5 years after the 'Cube launched. The NX is (maybe) coming next year, but more likely than not it's coming in 2017. Again in case you can't remember....that is 5 years after the Wii U launched (November 18, 2012), now since the NX is looking like a spring launch, it's more like 4 1/2 years, but still, almost 5 years!
With the NX....we still don't know if it'll be a handheld, a console, both, neither or a mix of the two WE DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be anything at this point. Will it likely replace the Wii U??? YES! The Wii U has failed, sorry, but it is a failure! Nintendo isn't going to try and appease a few fans mad that the U isn't getting AAA 3rd party titles and all the AAA Nintendo titles that you want! They can't afford to do that. And could it be a replacement for the 3DS??? Absolutely! Now the 3DS went from an early grave to the best selling console of the 8th generation. But she is getting old, like I said, 5 years old Next March, Nintendo needs a successor for both. Whether or not you like

TL;DR
Nintendo isn't going to appease the minority of ticked off fans about the Wii U. Either way we still don't know what the bloody hell the NX is/will be! So just RELAX and enjoy the U for what it is.
Now back to my excitement for DQXI!!!!!!!!!! Hype Train.....activate!! (And 3DS DQXI plz come west...please...)

@TwilightAngel "Love" your profile text. Very social for one so young and far from wise in the ways of the world...
(did you change it? I have really positive memories of some discussions with you, but now you seem to come across so sour. Correct me if I'm wrong)
Why so angry already? Assuming you've still got quite a few years to go I hope you also have a lot of things in your life that you don't hate. Which is a very strong word to use for people that you don't even know, by the way. And at the end of the day, what is there to get so worked up about anyways? Nobody is claiming we have to be in agreement all the time or have to be the one that knows it all, because none of us do and are. It's just people talking about consoles and games, a friggin' hobby, for f**** sake...

@TheRealThanos They're all sarcastic Thanos, you should know that. I'm a NYer it's the only way we know how to talk. Truthful, but sarcastic.

Funny thing about that thread. I really thought those micro consoles would take off but they all seem dead in the water, except Chrome cast and Roku, the dedicated TV streamers w/o a focus on gaming. Even PS TV was a bust. Wii U crumbled due to corporate incompetence, not competition. And bad luck w/ the iPad timing.
But there's still this thought in my head that Nintendo goes after them w/ NX as a nostalgia machine. Nothing they have done of late makes me think PS4 killer. Rusty Baseball, Pokémon Rumble and Shuffle. 2DS. DeNA. Where's Zelda? Why does Star fox look so graphically inferior to Xenoblade X? Why port XC to 3DS? Kid I car us and Luigis Mansion 2 on handhelds. SSB on 3DS. MK7. Why make a high powered machine when the entire company is built around low power? NX will be a 3DS w/ HDMI out more than a portable Wii U, even if it looks like a Wii U.

And it's not just them, look at Level 5, my favorite JRPG company on PS2 now making Wonder flick and Yokai Watch. And Konami. And Capcom. Let Sony and MS beat each other up for the limited high end, Steambox is coming to get them anyway, crush Apple and Google, that's where the money is.

@HandheldGuru97 brace yourself, being positive about Nintendo isn't a good thing to do around these parts (yes a Nintendo fansite I know to figure) but I'll join in with you. I'm very excited that Dragon Quest is getting a revival of sorts, with the 3DS remakes, Heroes, Monsters Joker 3 and now this, now is most certainly a good time to be a Dragon Quest fan. Just not a Nintendo fan. Because f*** Nintendo and f*** the Wii U. Am I cool now haters?

@TheRealThanos you can't like the Wii U, or even Nintendo in general, even on a Nintendo fansite. It's the unwritten 11th sin 'thou shall not be optimistic for all things Wii U!' Otherwise, you are in denial, a fanboy or know nothing. On a Nintendo fansite. -_-

Are these the first two official announcements for NX then?

And yet another thread becomes a pissing contest. Lol.

Shhhh....we're not talking about NX before 2016. It's a secret to everybody!

@rjejr I know New Yorkers to be in your face and mostly very direct, but I didn't know you were an NYer. I'm originally from California myself, so maybe some stuff is lost in translation. And on top of that, I've been living and working in Europe for so long now (almost 35 years) that for all intent and purposes, I'm probably more European than American. I notice that myself sometimes when exchanging ideas with former fellow country men. I've taken a more European view, or let's just say a broader view on the States and their machinations throughout the world...
Still love my roots though, wouldn't want to have it any other way, and now I'm living in Amsterdam, greatest city of that little country called the Netherlands.
As for NX, what with all the AMD, architecture "like brothers" and starting from zero quotes, I'm still going with a home console and scalable OS that'll fit both home console and handheld and any other device they add on.

@TheLastLugia Hey, I've been around this neighborhood for a many, many moons. Sure as hell has gotten rougher in the preceding years. Showing any amount of leniency to Nintendo and not being on the whole...DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED! Train, you're attacked and burned by "Nintendo Fans" they are the best....ugh. Damn I wish I could go back to what this site was like in 2010....now those were the years....Still look, the Wii U, like I said, it failed, move on. It is a game console if you're one of the ones who feel that you've been "burned" by Nintendo....fine don't buy the NX, leave this site too while you're at it! But don't let the door hit you on your way out! I've held through some rough years with Nintendo (and thats only been about 10 years!!!!), they're not a bad company. The best??? No (they're a corporation after all), but they march to the beat of their own drum, and it takes spunk to that in this world. I dig it, and I'll support 'em, until they go down in flames or until I've run my course with video gaming. I have more happy memories than with...just about anything else. So we shall see what the future holds...we shall see.

@k8sMum At this point it should be expected. If there is no actual discussion and just crap flinging I just completely avoid commenting.

Fantastic! Makes me even more excited to purchase a PS4 next paycheck!

@HandheldGuru97 nice comment, I'm with you on the whole, but I've just noticed a rampant increase since E3, sure most people were disappointed, but still going on about that? Give it a break, it got boring the very next day. Still Nintendo will always have my support, yet to play too many games elsewhere that match up to Zelda, Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy games, Splatoon etc.

Sweeet more Dragon Questness that won't get localized!

@Melkac It was less than two and a half years after the Wii U came out that they announced the NX

I want XI but I doubt we'll get it if Dragon Quest needs Dragon Quest Warriors to do well.

This won't get localised, just like Dragon Quest X and the VII and VIII remakes. My soul is slowly dying.

Wait, Dragon Quest X coming to N*X* wasn't a joke

edit: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-first-games-announced-for-the-nintendo-nx-are?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=5&utm_campaign=Blogroll It's only under consideration guys, nothings confirmed

@JaniN83 Except the game is developed on the PS4. That version's not a port.

This is great! I wonder if it's availability on NX could hint that the console IS a combination of handheld/home console. I'm not sure if I'll buy on 3DS or NX yet...depends if they have a nice StreetPass feature on it like that which was featured on DQ9 (pre-StreetPass).

Eh, I'm not bothered about DQX now...I doubt it will make it over here, plus I'd rather play a straight RPG than an MMO.

Well, the big question is... Are you finally going to let US players play Dragon Quest X?

Might the early announcement of the NX version be an indication that the console is arriving sooner than later?

Alsom, the 3DS version is seriously cool and inventive!

@whodatninja Wii U is dead.. Why would SE wanna release DQ XI on Wii U. That would be complete madness

@TheLastLugia Okami had that quality and charm that's present in the Zelda series. Capcom also made a few excellent portable Zelda games.

@Peach64 "The 3DS will limit the potential of the PS4 game"

There's many reason's that's wrong. PS4 has sold 1.5 million systems in Japan in 1 and half years, 80% of the Dragon Quest Audience is in Japan. Dragon Quest IX sold 4 million in Japan alone.

If anything the 3DS version is likely the only reason the PS4 and the NX version can be justified. Consoles in modern Japan limit the series sales to its lowest while also being the most expensive to produce. Whereas the 3DS version will be the actual money maker that will make the game a success, it will cost less to develop and sell much more subsidising the HD console RPG that costs more to make and will sell much less.

@gaming_24_7 There's one Dragon Quest game that's published by Nintendo which is Dragon Quest IX. So that game alone is owned by Nintendo and they can easily produce a remake of it should the opportunity ever come.

Cough. Choke. Sputter.

As a Wii U owner for only about 2 or 3 years, this is disappointing. Hopefully they at least give a discount on the Nx like they did with the new 3Ds. Oh well. Hopefully the NX has third party support and sells well.

The funny thing is that, despite DQX and XI being announced for the NX, nobody can really know whether the NX is a handheld or a console, since both DQX and XI are available on handhelds (3DS) and consoles (PS4/Wii U). The NX versions of those two games could be a port of either the 3DS or PS4 versions. We just don't know...

Just bring the series back to the west with a bang SE!

And if you're reading this Nintendo, it would not hurt you to maybe try and strike a publishing deal for the 3DS and NX games, similar to IX?

And just like that, the first(?) game is announced for NX... well, SOMEONE must know about it's hardware if it's already announced. But if there's one thing I learned out of the Wii U era is that devs/pubs blow smoke as easy as breathing, then when it's time to actually "produce", there's an "issue". So I will take this info with a grain of salt, and when I actually SEE it RUNNING on the NX, THEN I will get hype.

PS Is Nintendo secretly slipping out NX dev kits or something to certain 3rd parties?

@LilC Agreed. I got a feeling the Wii U's day's are numbered. It's a shame as I've really enjoyed the console and after such a short time with it, I'm not ready to commit to a new system.

Sorry if this was mentioned earlier ...

SquareEnix should take advantage of Kickstarter when they are concerned about the potential market for localized versions of their JRPGs. Get the fans to support the localization project in exchange for a copy of the localized game, or if they want to go big with their support (over $100 pledged) they can get extra stuff like having an NPC character named after them in the localized version. If 25,000 people committed $40 US each they would have a million dollar budget for their localization. Sales of additional copies would be their profit. Considering that Bravely Second sold 400K units in the west it should not be hard to drum up at least 25K people to support localization of a Dragon Quest game.

@TheRealThanos - Europes nice, sped thru about a dozen cities in 3 weeks once, mostly a blur now. Acutlaly it was mostly a blur then too. And I didn't realize what us NYers were like until I went to grad school in Kentucky for 8 years. Came back home and I was like - why is everybody such an ahole? I'm a much nicer person for the experience, but the sarcasm is in too deep.
Wait, 35 years, aren't you a little too old to be posting on a videogame website. /sarcasm

i still hope you're right about the NX, but there's just too much evidence for me to think it will ever see a MGS or Batman game. Maybe FIFA and COD, but not AC. Maybe Destiny, not Titanfall 2. It's not going to be equivalent to the other 2. Wii U had so many "Gamer" game sat launch, even exclusive Zombie U, but it all went away, I think it's gone for good. Plenty of match 3 games and 2D side-scrollers to go around though.

@IceClimbers - Well I did make this comment, kind of the same thing, no?

"I'm still waiting for Project Cars on Wii U."
Announced, considered, confirmed, I'll believe it when I see it. No Wii U version though, that's pretty much guaranteed.

I want this, and I want to be happy, but I can't at the same time as I do NOT trust Square-Enix in the least bit. All it takes is one look at the long line of DQ games since #9 on DS we have been outright denied (and that game sold fine.) You can also look at their 3DS apathy too given Nintendo had to help put up for Bravely Default which did well, and the sequel appears to be not coming to us either which is just sheisty. If anything, given how that test game coming to PS4 goes, maybe it'll show up in the US on there, so at least I have the system, but I hate doing RPGs on my TV since I have a little kid as I'll never have a chance of finishing it (or even getting the hours to be worth the cash.)

If its anything like Dragon Quest IX Sentinels of the Starry Sky then its a must buy! That game was AMAZING.

The modern and retro dual screen experience looks freaking awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDcZGRKQ_M

The waiting is the hardest part.

@Superryanworld I love Okami, one of the best games ever, no doubt. The world (or at least the gaming side of the world) would be a better place if companies used that game as a template for their future games. It's just a shame it was inevitable not going to sell well, because the focus groups are spot on, you put a bro-dude-shooter on the cover of your game (Bioshock Infinite) it's 1000000000% guaranteed to sell better than Okami when the protagonist on the box is a wolf (though BI is a great game just shows again how far the industry has fallen when a guy has to be the protagonist and the female is degraded to a secondary role).

The idea behind the 3DS version is cool. Reminds me of Dragon Fantasy.

@rjejr For the Japanese developers it is a matter of market. Their primary market still is mostly Japan and in Japan the portable is king. So it would make sense that the biggest games would go to the 3DS. I would even say that Xenoblade Chronicles is on the 3DS because of Japan, not anywhere else.

To an extent, I am not that far from it. If Nintendo's next handheld has a screen like the Wii U gamepad, I am sold. 80-90% of my Wii U usage is Gamepad only already, with the only time it is not is when I am forced to or I am playing with others. Even when playing with others, I take the gamepad so I am looking at it's screen over the TV.

@rjejr 35 years is the amount of time I've been in Europe. In age I'm only 5 years behind you. (check the profile)
As for NX, I also wonder if it will see much third party support, but then I didn't quite say that it would. In my humble opinion Nintendo could make the most powerful and most easy to develop for console in the world and STILL a lot of third parties probably wouldn't see much benefit in putting their triple A games on it. If the NX sells like hot cakes they probably will, because they will be able to make a nice profit, but the Nintendo buyer is certainly partially responsible. All good or decent efforts of third parties on Wii U, while getting good scores in magazine and online reviews, were hardly rewarded in sales by the Nintendo gamer, which is also what made a lot of third parties that were still on the fence about Wii U decide to not develop for it, and the few third parties that did, dwindled away like snow in July...
So, it has to be a combination of efforts: Nintendo console owners need to buy more third party games, Nintendo needs to attract more third parties by making a console that is interesting to them both hardware and software wise, and they need to market the hell out of it, to prevent another "is this just a peripheral for the previous console?" situation.
As for the piece of the puzzle that I mentioned in a previous comment: to me this news points to Square Enix being one of the parties that Nintendo showed the concept of the NX to at this year's E3, and that also points to all the other things that I already suggested: I think few third parties will get excited by another strange concept with different hardware that makes it harder to develop for or optimize games/port games. And I also don't think many big third party developers will get that excited by an Android based concept, so boring as it may seem for Nintendo, because it does sound quite (too?) conventional for them, I still think it is going to be a similar architecture as the other two have, so x86/AMD based.
Obviously, we still have quite a bit of waiting to do until they officially show us something, but a man can speculate, right?

Yes !! for 3DS !!!

I'm definitely getting the 3DS version, if it's localized, of course.

And ..... Yeah. I'm pretty much getting a PS4 at this point.....

@rjejr Exactly!!! this is exactly what i thought when i saw the update on the announcement as "considering". They definitely got a nasty call from Nintendo after they made the confirmation for three reasons - 1) this announcement confirms the NX is coming in 2016 which is what i've been saying all along. 2) this WiiU is already basically dead and 3) the first game to get confirmed on Nintendo's next home console is not a Nintendo first party title but a third party Multi-plat game from Square-Enix. Nintendo must have been livid when they saw this

@gamelall They should just let it go and be nice to Square for making games for them FFS. Geez way to blow the 3rd party support before it starts.

I still think Dragon Quest X online could have been a system seller on Wii-U and 3DS in North America. If we ever get it in North America I will be absolutely shocked. At this point I think Final Fantasy Explorers has a better chance of Localisation. Who knows though Square has been getting stingy with what they Localise. I would actually prefer these over Bravely Default. I liked the first Bravely Default but the second half of that game was half ass'd. I would have told you after playing the first half it was one of the best RPG's ever. Then that lazy second half of the game came up.

Nintendolife need to check their facts, this has not been announced and they have said it is under consideration only. Which gives us no clue as to its potential or indeed which version they would be putting on the NX. Other than that I'm really liking the look of the PS4 version and truly hope the NX can do something similar.

@Darknyht I bloody well hope that the next Nintendo handheld is not like the Wii U gamepad.

Too big and not a handheld anymore. It cannot be any bigger then the vita. I want a handheld which is still portable and something I can carry in my pocket.

Localize it ye arseholes. We want DQ in the west, not Final Boyband 15.

@rjejr I'm predicting Ghosts 2 will be a launch title.

I get the impression that NX is definitely a console, not a handheld. I remember Reggie implying that it was, and at E3, they talked about the NX first thing and then went on to show that there isn't much new coming to the Wii U. Then there was the comment that if there's gonna be another Metroid Prime, it'll be on the NX. Sure, that could still mean it's on a handheld but I highly doubt it... I mean if that's the case then a "Metroid Prime" has been recently announced for the 3DS... LOL

anyway, I am 85% sure it's a home console. And this news thrills me! Maybe SE can consider FFXV and KH3 for the NX then? Seems like it shoudn't be a hassle if the NX is based on x86 architecture hmm...

@IceClimbers touché! Forgot about the handhelds.

Anyway, Nintendo needs to rip off that modern/retro concept and use it to remake the original Legend of Zelda. I would buy that game twice just because I want it so much.

@fascinatura
Yeah I'm hoping for console myself and I agree with your assessment, except for one thing. I was excited to hear about Metroid Prime having to be on NX as I also took that to mean a console but if it's a gimped console so it can be portable and that is all there is left as far as consoles go for Nintendo? That's not very good news.

I mean we could be looking at a slight bump over Wii U power so it can be portable and also plug into your TV and no other console on the horizon.

That would still make everything work out as far as what we know.

Have to keep in mind that the 3DS is older than the Wii U. It's just that the Wii U is failing so badly that people are expecting NX to save the day in that space, but I think it makes the release of both a console and portable line up closely which suggests a replacement for both.

That could go in a good way (in my mind) by having a no compromise console for a decent price and a no compromise handheld device launching with great synergy.

Or the bad way: cram them together with a price and battery life that will make both experiences horrible.

Either way, Wii U is great now. So, there's that.

That's good news for the NX when it hits Japan. Launch game possibly?

@kobashi100 it'll be like size of the sega game gear

Nice to have some early confirmation of NX games.

@Grumblevolcano - I had to google Ghosts 2, so I probably shouldn't be commenting in this thread anymore. I'm not a complete idiot, I knew it was COD, but I wasn't sure if 2 was a real game or not or imaginary like the NX, or a year old port like Batman Armored Ed. Honestly, I still don't know, but I'm guessing imaginary. Now that The Last Guardian is coming out, and an FF7 remake is being remade, the gaming verse could use a new never coming out game. I don't count Half Life 3, it's for PC, and I think Beyond Good and Evil 2 has been silently canceled and /or forgotten.

At least we know NX is coming, and Nintendo isn't talking about it.

@gamelall - I hope Nintedo is livid. I'm livid, I've seen more gameplay of DQXI on NX than I've seen of Zelda U on Wii U, and they look like the same game.

OK, I'm not livid, more like LOLing at Nintendo for both it's handling of Zelda U and NX, but livid sounded better in the sentence. I do think it's very bad we've seen more of DQXI than Zelda U though, were the frak is that game? It should have been shown at E3, even if it is holiday 2016, at least we would know it was still a Wii U game, none it's just creating more rumours. blah. .

@TheRealThanos - I feel like we're chicken and egg on the NX power situation, you don't think the AAA titles will come regardless, and I think Nintendo knows this and therefore won't bother even trying. And if it really is holiday 2017, that's only about year or 2 before PS5 and Xbox2, so it's power lead will be short lived anyway, Sony will not be denied the crown, and COD 87 won't run on NX anyway.

And really, even if it did have PS4 "power", it would still probably look lame - Nintneod would skimp on bluray drive, HDD, RAM. And PS4 and X1 would be $199 then, can Nintneod be $299 again and sell? I really feel Wii U suffered b/c it was PS3/360 power for PS4/X1 price. I know the Gamepad hurt them, but the console hardware just wasn't there. $200, 2016, nostalgia machine.

@HandheldGuru97 Finally someone with some sense

@rjejr You're starting to be a bit more moody/dark here and there, sarcasm or not. I would also love to hear some of the good things you're expecting to happen, if any...
As for the third party situation: it's not so much that I truly think that is what will happen (safe for the Nintendo fans not buying (enough) third party games bit), but more of a sinking feeling that I have, because lately, third parties will always find some excuse and so eventually you start to think that they indeed won't come back regardless. The apparent positive reception they got off-stage at E3 gives some hope, but still...
As long as they don't add another peripheral that cripples the main device as far as power is concerned (as per your "Nintendo would skimp on" remark), then they could easily come up with something only slightly below or equal to PS4 for a lower price, since those components are now a whole lot cheaper to buy, especially if you buy them by the truckloads, which a console manufacturer obviously does.
I think that if they go towards true AMD/x86 architecture, they will also adopt the larger HDD and RAM (to me it actually seems a given regardless), although they might still forgo dvd/bluray playback because of copy protection and so on. But the other things will probably be fixed since they've gotten way too much negative feedback on that, so I suspect they've finally learned their lesson there.
Personally, I would not be that bothered if dvd/bluray playback was left out, since I hate convergence devices and I don't buy a console to play movies on: I have a dedicated Bluray recorder that has cost me way more than a console, has more options, better sound and what not, so as a film purist I could never truly enjoy a movie to the fullest on a console, which at best contains a mid range Bluray player, but definitely no high end device.
I like dedicated devices vs jack of all trades, master of none systems....
I have no idea about the release date so that is another discussion, we will just have to wait until more info is in on that part as well as on what the hell NX actually is, because it's certainly keeping a lot of people on here divided: console, handheld, hybrid, whatever...
If I go by the quotes again, then NX might even be a code name for the Nintendo Experience, which would be a uniform format that could be scaled across several devices, as I speculated on before, so NX in itself wouldn't be hardware at all then, although in the schematic they released a while back it was called "dedicated game system" so that kind of blows my idea out of the water. Or does it? Might be Nintendo being their old secretive self...
http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/nintendo_working_on_new_dedicated_game_platform_codenamed_nx/attachment/0/630x.jpg
As for price point and sales: as a sales & marketing professional that's my area of expertise and I can promise you that if they can come up with a system that delivers a definite added value to both third parties and consumers, then the price will be of lesser concern. People will buy more expensive things if they can see what's in it for them, so if they think or feel the value is there, they WILL be more than willing to buy a slightly more expensive device.
And the PS4 will be old news by then and NX, if they handle it well, will be new and exciting, which also mitigates the price to an extent, so all these factors combined will definitely contribute to a $299 system being equally interesting as an older system that has been reduced in price to $199. I've sold computers and related devices that were WAY more expensive than that and people were still quite happy to hand over the cash...

The 3DS version looks way cooler, in my opinion.

@TheRealThanos Oh my god senpai noticed me! This made my day even better,but back to the comment. Okay i did change my profile a little bit,cause i don't know i just stopped caring for people on this site,i just stopped being nice as well. Not everyone tho! I still love some people here,like you. Cause you make sense sometimes, when your age doesn't get the better of you! Just kidding.You always make sense. And yeah you got a point there hate is a very strong word hmm. I should change doesn't help in the long run being so hateful towards everyone,every time you reply to me you make me think! Ugh! One last thing odd my guardians of the galaxy Thanos bobblehead came in the mail today. And you replied to me in the same day! Coincidence? I think not!

@TwilightAngel Coincidence? No such thing exists, Midna my boy...
Thanks for the credits, but even The Dark Titan doesn't always make sense, especially in the weekends when he has had a few cups of spirits.
In fact that sometimes makes me feel like a bobblehead...

@TheLastLugia You know what i don't care think what you want man. Today is a very good day and i don't want to ruin it with pointless arguing. Stay classy

@TheRealThanos Lol Midna boy! Alright old man got some jokes,i'll give you that. And you know what i'm going to return you and get Groot. Cause he's awesome! Way more awesome then Thanos!

@TwilightAngel Whààààttt???

@TheRealThanos Yeah truth hurts huh? lol

@TwilightAngel Hope you don't mind me asking, but did I step on some toes with comment #250? If so, that certainly wasn't my intention, it was just a bit of fun is all. And if I'm wrong, blame my age or the late hour over here in Europe (4.07pm)

Back in the N64 era DK64 had the secret ending that was a tease to the next platform then codenamed Dolphin. That game came out in 99, which was 3 years into the N64 life's cycle and the codename was widely discussed by then, just like NX is now. The Gamecube debuted in 2000 and released in 2001. History repeats.

@TheRealThanos Don't worry i blame your age for all the comments you made in this site!

@TwilightAngel Good! For a minute there you almost made me regret taking place behind the computer again because I couldn't sleep....
But seriously: if you don't appreciate me mentioning or referring to your old username then I will skip that from now on.

@Peach64 Maybe not. Level 5 made Ni No Kuni, which was one of the best looking PS3 games, as well as a Ni No Kuni DS game that not only looked different, but even changed up a few things in an exciting way. Overall, if anyone can make an RPG port of a PS4 game that runs on a 3DS, trust level 5!

@TheRealThanos I don't care if you say my old username. I changed it because i use this name in every site i'm in. And i thought to myself "Why not here?" And there you go

@TwilightAngel Ah, okay. Anyways, the reply button will see to that, I guess...
A few comments ago I mistakenly thought it was that what ticked you off, never mind then. I'm going to try and catch some z's again. Have a good one.

@Azooooz
Actually, it kind of confirms that the NX will be a portable too. 3ds to NX. Like DS to 3ds.

I like the how the 3DS version has dual screens, each showing different graphics. Is this the first game to ever do that?

So, first NX game announced, then? It probably won't be too long before it has more announced games on the way than Wii U...

Gimme .

@rjejr It's just a prediction based on how prediction Activision is like how it was almost certain about Treyarch's 2015 CoD game being Black Ops 3 before it was revealed. Ghosts ends on a cliffhanger too which makes it even more obvious

@Grumblevolcano For somebody who posts a lot on a Ntinedo website you sure do know a lot about COD.

I think that may read insulting, but I meant it as a complement, usually all I ever read about COD around here is "milking" and "they're all the same", my guess is mostly by people who have only played 1 or none of them.

@TheRealThanos - " good things you're expecting to happen, if any"

If you could change "expecting" to "cautiously optimistic" I might be able to come up w/ a couple. I'm really really super duper excited FF7 is being remade. Maybe NX will get it?

I like your Nintendo Experience idea, a unified front across all devices. I was leaning that way myself for awhile, even going so far as thinking Nintneod would abandon all hardware and make their games playable on all other hardware via NX software. Not that I think it would ever happen, just trying to work out if it could. But the Metroid remarks convinced me it's hardware. And now this.

As for perceived value, I think it's all about perception, and after Wii U I'm somewhat concerned there is no perceived value in any new Ntineod home console at any price or hardware specs, which is why it needs to be a hybrid. The only dedicated home console I can imagine selling is a Jakks Pacific box for $100 that plays every NES and SNES game ever made out of the box, w/ an option to rent or buy N64, Gamecube, Wii and Wii U games. You would need the Wii U Gamepad and Wiimotes to play those, it would only come w/ a Pro type controller. They could even call it the Nintendo Experience as that's what it would be, every game that Ntineod ever made, and a few 3rd party games. The worlds greatest legal emulator.

But since I don't think that will happen, 3DS w/ HDMI out. I think it's crazy Nintneod never followed up on FF:CC, the game that needed 1 Gamecube and 4 GB to play. Wii U should play all games w/ 3DS as a controller (and not for 99c per game either). Most notably Splatoon. If Gamecube could do it, why not Wii U and 3DS, surely there's enough processing power combined there.

Sorry about all the gloom and doom, but if you look around, it's not just me, it's many folk unfortunately. The western mind can't just fathom Ntinedo I guess. But I am a stickler for planning and dates. Not Ninteod's fault, but it does drive me crazy. So glad I knew right off the bat Zelda U wasn't happening in 2015 or I'd be really annoyed. Not yet purchasing a PS4 was in part for my sanity, that may get more delays than Wii U.

@rjejr I think we can agree upon "cautiously optimistic". That would still almost equate to super enthusiastic in the sh** storm that is blowing across the internet when it concerns Nintendo nowadays...
I should have elaborated on the unified architecture bit, or rather the name:
until somebody proves me wrong, I firmly believe in the unified architecture concept, mainly because of Mr. Iwata's quotes, so to me that's a given for now. That doesn't mean that the codename they use doesn't stand for hardware, because it probably does: thank you Reggie, Eiji Aonuma and Kensuke Tanabe for spilling the beans on that part.
The software/architecture/platform could still be named Nintendo Experience, though, since NX for the console is just a codename so that will be changed eventually. But that bit was more of a figment of my imagination if anything. Would be fun if that turns out to be true...
And you'll have to excuse me but what the hell is a Jakks Pacific box? Haven't been State side for many years, so if that's something only available in the US, chances are I never heard of it or seen it before.
Nintendo is probably never going to stop making hardware, since contrary to the other two it's their core business. This is not directed at you, but to me it's so ridiculous that so many people keep bringing that up. That's like saying the baker is going to stop making bread, cakes and cookies or the butcher would stop selling meat. What else would be left? Other than the baker using his expertise as an advisor in some factory or the butcher turning into a vegetarian shop... Nah... I'm not seeing that as a plausible outcome. They're not Sega: they still make money, even with sales being as little as they are, so they'll be fine.
And they themselves have more than once said that they would sooner get out of the business entirely than stop making hardware. They will also lock away their IP's so no one can abuse them, like some tried in the past. (looking at you, Philips)
But no need to excuse yourself for all the doom and gloom: it's getting harder to keep smiling in the sh** storm that is the internet, like I already previously mentioned. Sometimes you probably feel just like Murtaugh from Lethal Weapon: too old for this sh**. I know I do. All these senseless discussions, people wanting to be right or displaying their ultimate, "greater than thou" knowledge on a topic (which they probably just Googled during the discussion). Give them a keyboard and an internet connection, and even the biggest losers in the world all of a sudden have a voice. And then there's the thing of having to interpret text without sound or without seeing someone's face. (hence my slight confusion on your sarcasm earlier this week)
I also think I'm always very clear and decisive in my online reactions, but still people interpret some parts in their own way and things come across entirely different from what I had intended or people try to read between the lines, when there is no reading between the lines with me: I mean what I say, and I'll say what I mean. That can sometimes come across as rude or pompous, but it is neither. It's just who I am. Almost like a New Yorker. Must be the European influence...
I'd like to think I can fathom Nintendo to some extent: I've done a lot of business with Asian companies in the past, so I had to try and understand them a bit better in order to be able to treat them in the way they were used to instead of like some tunnel-visioned hillbilly with no knowledge of their customs and traditions. A little bit of effort can go a long way towards them appreciating you, I can tell you that. And they have a very different work ethic too. We often blame Nintendo for stuff that in their eyes isn't nearly as strange as to us. To them we are the ones that are acting strange. Often times they will probably just shrug it off as us being silly Westerners, and to be honest, if you read through some comment sections on some of the more fanatical websites, you can't help but think that they may just have a point.
Or maybe I should have just stopped this train of thought at the end of the "too old" part...

@TheRealThanos - "Or maybe I should have just stopped this train of thought at the end of the "too old" part..."

Not your fault, my long-windedness is contagious.

And yeah, though I didn't know how to spell Murtaugh, I feel that way a lot.

Jakks Pacific: OK, I screwed the pooch on that one, they don't make the boxes I was thinking of, they just started the trend 10 years ago.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108508474063117172

I was thinking about a combination of these 2 in 1 device:

I figured @ $150 it could be ready quick, sell well, and not eat into either the Wii U or 3DS line, a true 3rd pillar for nostalgia fans. Admittedly that was a long time ago, way before E3, back during the DeNA discussions when they first mentioned making new hardware. Now that I know it's getting DQXI that's not likely. Though if it's a port of the 3DS version then maybe...

So lets say you convinced me they won't get out of hardware unless they get out of videogames entirely. Does that mean they HAVE to make a home console equal to the other 2, or can they just make a powerful portable w/ HDMI out that doesn't get much AAA 3rd party support?

Oh, I am occasionally happy on here, but it's for games like Skylanders and Lego Dimensions, articles that usually only get a dozen or so comments so nobody ever sees my happy comments, but I do make them occasionally. I'd have more happy comments about Yoshis Wooly World too, but, you know.

@rjejr Aha, the AtGames range of retro consoles. I recently mentioned the Atari one in the forums because someone asked:
http://www.atgames.net/front/bin/ptdetail.phtml?Part=AR2670C&Category=100718

As for the hardware question: If I would HAVE to put them in a tough position, then I would at least expect them to stay in the handheld business, so no: they don't HAVE to make a home console equal to, but by their own words they would rather fall upon the virtual sword than stop making hardware.
And the advantage of AMD/x86 architecture would be compatibility and scalability in league with the other two.
If the Unseen64 rumor is true and it is weaker than PS4 then it is either a handheld or it could be a home console that falls smack dab in the middle of the other two, since it being weaker than PS4 could still mean that it is equal to or slightly more powerful than the Xbox One, since that is also weaker than PS4 but it gets the same multi-platform games regardless, thanks to similar architecture and scalable game engines that can run on practically any device ranging from heavy game PC's to your humble tablet or smart phone.
Only time will tell, I guess...

@TheRealThanos - At Games - yeah, that'll do.

I'm not sure what would shock me more, Nintendo making comparable hardware, that hardware selling comparable to the other 2 (for all the grief Wii U gets X1 ain't exactly taking the world by storm either), or that hardware getting comparable games to the other 2. That's 3 big "ifs" in my book, regardless of how wrong I hopefully am about everything and how long we have to wait to find out.

I'm from the numbers don't lie, Wii was a fluke way of thinking. Guess that makes me part of the problem.

From IGN
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/these-are-nintendos-lifetime-hardware-and-software-numbers

Console Name Hardware Software Sales Attach Rate
NES/Famicom 61.91 Million 500.01 Million 8.08
SNES/Super 49.1 Million 379.06 Million 7.72
Nintendo 64 32.93 Million 224.97 Million 6.83
GameCube 21.74 Million 208.57 Million 9.59
Wii 100.9 Million 892.34 Million 8.84
Wii U 10 Million

Looking at those precipitous declines, and removing outlier Wii as a Wii Sports motioned controlled fluke, I forecast Wii U at 14-15 mil, NX at 8-9 if it's simply another home console. The buyers just aren't there anymore, Sony stole them. Has any home console manufacturer ever lost 85% - 90% from 1 gen to the next and then come back w/ a big hit? Wii obviously shows it can be done, just launch at half the price of your competitor ($250 Wii, $500 PS3) but to have it happen twice? How bad would Sony and MS have to continue to screw up for Nintendo to get them back?

I'm sorry, just too many ifs, and too much history, for me to be positive. Unless it's hybrid, people need their Pokemon and Monster Hunter and Yokai Watch. Just let people play them on their tvs as well.

@rjejr From a professional standpoint I fully agree with you: I would be a lousy sales & marketing professional if I said that numbers do lie (although there is a little something called "creative bookkeeping"... )
I will be the first to tell you that I have no idea what to expect of the sales numbers of the NX, whatever it will be. I only know that Nintendo is a very well-founded company, with a very sturdy base. They are very good at making enough money to still keep them standing, even in the worst of times and no matter how big of a mistake they make, historically they have always bounced back so I sort of expect them to do the same now, so they may very well recapture a chunk of the market.
They could even achieve that by once again becoming the companion console of choice, just like the Wii was. They will not get those numbers because that was indeed a fluke. (they even had one in the retirement home that my grandma lived in)
So neither of the other two have to necessarily screw up, if the companion console scenario becomes reality once again or if they come up with something so unique, that it will create it's own market, completely separate of the console race, since Nintendo themselves continuously keep saying that they indeed don't see themselves as being in the same race. They are obviously in a degree of competition because of being in the console business, but other than that they have a very clear opinion of what they are and what they aren't, regardless of what the media or the public thinks. I think that, in part, that is also their strength.
Besides that, they are and in my humble opinion will remain the absolute kings of the handheld department, and even in light of the smart device market they still come up with solid hardware and games to go along with it.
And all in all, they still made a profit, even being in the situation that they're in with the Wii U.
Off the top of my head I can't even think of any other company that is able to achieve that.
In my mind I see an old Japanese guy being totally relaxed, raking his stone garden (http://api.ning.com/files/MWn52TKWEPhpKSxqPKUBnEwQAs5HMhaGY5yhkce3p5vtqPfY2odY7sgCYcujINEQ64JZDRY9*nc-Gur31I6NsydyhA4f7SK3/AttheEdgeoftheSandandStoneGarden02.jpg - http://www.adamgoerdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DSC02545.jpg - https://jornadaparawalden3.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/jardim-10.jpg) not being impressed in the slightest by the current situation because he knows that there is always another day. And while he rakes the stones, he also rakes in the money, even in a situation where the current device isn't performing as well as it should, it still makes them money.
The old man smiles, while continuing to make frighteningly accurate circles in the pebbles with his wooden rake, because he has seen the future and no one but he and his people will see it coming, and it will make them considerably more money than the current device does. They aren't in a race, they don't feel they have to be first, but they do know that hard labor and patience will bring them the quality that they so want to give to the populace, and that will surely come, along with their own good fortune once again being restored. They know the famous words of Sun Tzu, ancient warlord and prophet - "know thy enemy".
That is not always a directive to enable you to defeat your enemy at his own game, but can also be interpreted as what to do differently than them to stand out and win on another field, so you can cut out your own marketing share, something that Nintendo has always done and will continue to do. All the while raking their stone garden and not worrying about all these silly Westerners and so called business analysts that think they know what they're talking about...
Now excuse me while I go outside to dump a couple of sacks of pebbles into my garden. Now where did I leave that traditional Japanese wooden rake?.....

@TheRealThanos - So did you write that before or after Sony announced 25 million PS4 sales?

I summarized all of that - fairly or not - into: Nintendo doesn't care, they have the money, they'll just make another home console and fun games, sales be damned. And I agree w/ it. And it makes me realize I'll never guess what Nitneod is going to do b/c they and I think so differently, I'm pretty much just wasting my time.

This was one of my favorite books in college, probably 1 of the reasons I got into sociology in the first place.

This one sealed the deal though.

@rjejr No, I tried to entertain you by making a story around it and hope you would visualize it as I had intended, not entirely successful, I guess. Should have left story writing up to @Kirk...
Interesting books, I'm sure. I'll look into them. As for Nintendo: I don't feel it's so much that they don't care and obviously as a company they won't think sales be damned, but it's more that they want us to trust them ("please understand" has really become a thing for them in recent times) in knowing their trade and business, even if they do fail from time to time, but like I said before: taking risks or chances comes with failure as well, although it could also mean HUGE successes. And that is what they strife for. I think that the translation of their name "leave luck to heaven" even though it's wrong (http://kotaku.com/5649625/nintendo-might-not-mean-what-you-think) is a very fitting one in that aspect: they are always beavering away and coming up with new ideas, a lot of them great, some not so good or downright bad but at least they are still the ones to try and be innovative, not because they must, but because they genuinely seem to WANT to bring you that other experience that you will only find on their hardware.
The business model for creating hardware also speaks volumes in that aspect: it's a top down model where they first think of the kind of games they would like to play and share with the world and then they build the hardware that they would need for that around those concepts, instead of just building a piece of hardware and having to find out while making games, what the limits of that hardware are. And Nintendo knows full well the limits of the Wii U, so that is why only they themselves and a handful of close partners can squeeze the maximum out of it. And also because they have the time to do that, because their only target is the Wii U, whereas third parties will have much more concern for the whole time/money/effort equation.
The same will probably be true for the NX: they will not want to leave anything to chance, even though that will once again mean taking chances and risking a lot, but they will and they will either fall again, or they will re-seat themselves on the throne they once had and all of a sudden it will once again be cool to own a Nintendo device, be it handheld or home console.
But you're also right, and it's true, you know: none of us will ever really know what they are going to come up with next, and I like it. I like their way of doing business and also how they keep believing in themselves, even in light of all the criticism and negativity, they just keep on coming. Like I always learned: it's not about how many times you fail, but about how many times you get back up again and continue on with renewed effort...

@Peach64 Since when is Level-5 adapting any children animated series? They created "Inazuma Eleven", they created Danball Senki (the "Little Brawlers" soon to be released in Occident), they also created their more recent big franchise "Yokai Watch"...
The fact they use animated sequences to told some story elements does not mean the base material was a manga or anime. (another example: Ni no Kuni, the Ghibli studio worked on the scenes)

@TheRealThanos - Well, ok, obviously they care, but if they cared more about money and console sales rather than making fun games they would have called Wii U Wii 2 or Wii HD instead, for $200, no Gmaepad, and just sold HD versions of all the Wii games, like PS3 did w/ PS2, and PS4 w/ PS3 remasters. They still coudl have sold NSMBU and Pikmin 3 w/ the Gmaepad, and W101 and Bayonetta 2. Maybe no Nitnedo Land but I don't view that as a bad thing.

So that's what I mean abou tthem not caring, they don't shoot for the obvious easy way to mak emoney, but they thrive for fun gaming, sales be damned. Of course everybody's wants to be successful, but being #1 in home console sales isn't their driving force. Maybe it isn't Sony's either, but I bet it's Microsofts, they probably don't even view X1 as a videogame console but as a PC in the living room, the more the better, game quality be damned, as long as it sells. That's the western way.

@rjejr I understand what you're saying, but I certainly wouldn't want Nintendo to have just another similar console. I also think selling the Wii U without the GamePad, even though it is sorely underused, would be a CAPITAL mistake. If they would do that now (as a sort of budget bundle) it will insult a lot of early adopters, and if they would have done it earlier, then the whole idea behind the GamePad would be even less understood as it is today and it would probably only have been bought by the most loyal Nintendo supporters, making it a money bleeding peripheral.
Similar architecture (x86) for the upcoming NX is fine by me and probably a smart choice, but besides that I certainly do hope that they once again come up with something innovative and fun to make me crack a big smile and unlock my inner child. They are the only ones that can achieve that, even though I certainly also had (and have) a lot of fun with my other consoles, Nintendo is indeed something special, and they should remain that way and not conform (too much) to the general idea of what people think they should do. Let them be quirky, more often than not they deliver the goods.

@TheRealThanos Once Wii U launched w/ the Gamepad it was too late to take it out, though I still think it could happen end of life, they took the internet out of Wii Mini, Gamecube support out of Wii Family ed, and 3D out of the 2DS, so anything is possible down the road after NX launches and they have old stock they want to get rid of cheap. And I still think Gamepad could have sold as a peripheral later on if there was a good enough reason - Ninteod Land is NOT that reason, Splaton and Star Fox may have been - b/c Nintendo sold a lot of Wii Balance boards just for Wii Fit and the board cost $90, it wasn't cheap. And I still even think they could sell it as an add on for couch co-op dual screen for Spaltoon and Starfox if they could manage to get it to work, which it seems like they can't.

But how's this for history re-writing, launch Wii HD, 2 years later launch Spaltoon and Starfox using the 3DS as a controller w/ dual screen set-up. They got it working for a controller for SSB, even if it does cost 99c. Do that and you have NX w/o even having to launch NX.

I understand your point though, Nitneod makes fun b/c they make different (too much Xenoblade, that's Riki english) and different is good. Though it isn't always popular.

@rjejr Riki English? What's that?
I honestly don't think we can compare the GamePad to the balance board, or even to the two other examples: like I already said, even though Nintendo haven't done nearly enough to market or implement the GamePad, it was so much more of an essential part to the whole concept than GameCube compatibility was to the Wii or 3D was to the 3DS, that I don't feel you can see that as similar examples. Leaving GameCube compatibility out of the Wii literally changed nothing about being able to use the Wii mini as a Wii, and leaving 3D out of the 2DS didn't mean that you couldn't play the same games. And the balance board is only obligatory in two games...
Leaving the GamePad out of the Wii U means no Off TV Play, no asynchronous multiplayer, no touch screen controls for games that were built up around that etcetera, etcetera. There's so many examples, so it's a totally different situation, imho. The fact that Nintendo didn't succeed in bringing the idea across doesn't change anything about the intentions of the concept, so if they would have left it out or would have made it an optional peripheral it would have completely bombed, for reasons I already described in my previous comment.

@TheRealThanos - "it would have completely bombed"

Compared to what, exactly?

Iwata:

""I do not intend to declare how many Wii we will be selling today, but Wii will be a failure if it cannot sell far more than GameCube did. In fact, we shouldn't continue this business if our only target is to outsell GameCube. Naturally, we are making efforts so that Wii will show a far greater result than GameCube."

http://www.1up.com/news/iwata-wii-doesn-outsell-gamecube

What's better, sell 50 million Wii HD and 3 million Gamepad accessories or sell 10 million Wii U w/ the Gamepad included? I don't think it's so easy to say Wii U would have bombed w/o the Gamepad. Truth is we don't know, but I just can't imagine a $250 Wii HD doing any worse than 10 mil.

@rjejr Obviously on paper, those figures you gave would be WAY better than what they are now, but the thing with the GamePad was that, as I said before, it was INTEGRAL to the whole concept that Nintendo wanted to convey.
Taking that away and making it optional, would make it just another HD console, except for it still being weaker than the competition, so nothing would have changed. Except for nearly nobody buying the GamePad, because who would buy that if you could play almost every game with the Pro Controller? And the few games that do make a lot of use of the GamePad certainly aren't very popular, so imho those wouldn't sway the customers.
They certainly dropped the ball several times, both in marketing and in showing other developers AND the public how the GamePad should have been implemented, because even Nintendo themselves haven't done all that much with it, but still...
And that's what I mean with it would have bombed. As in "even more than it did now" simply because of the fact that it wouldn't have anything differentiating them from the other two anymore, and since they won't go for an all powerful piece of hardware, they need to go for unique, different or even something quirky. Anything that sets them apart and makes them fun, as Nintendo nearly always does.
Obviously the games are a part of that, but it isn't only about the games. The hardware in combination with those games is what makes "The Nintendo Difference" and nobody will ever make me believe otherwise.

P.S.

Paying tribute to Rowdy Roddy Piper, I see?

@rjejr and I still don't know what Riki English is...

@TheRealThanos - "Riki English"

If you can sit thru 10 minutes of Riki then... well there is no then, nobody can listen to Riki for 10 minutes straight. Riki is the best JRPG character since Vivi in FF9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKDUWEz6ynU

@TheRealThanos - I thought you would call me out on that Nintendo article, it basically said everything you've been saying about the "Nintnedo difference".

Wii U isn't Wii U w/o the Gamepad, but I still think it could have sold as an HD Wii, maybe a year or 2 earlier than Wii U actually released, and then release the Gamepad when Super Mario Maker comes out. Or Splatoon. Or just use the 3DS for Spalton.

Oh well, time to move on. And Rowdy was always my favorite.

@rjejr Call you out? Nah, I'm not that malevolent...
(to be honest, I didn't even read it, since the headline already looked like something I've read before, so I took the topic from there)
And I regret asking you about Riki English... ouch... I had to stop at the two minute mark and had to recuperate by soothing my brain with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M806iBgMuFo
Phew...
My favorite was the Ultimate Warrior, another one that has gone before his time. I'm not into it at all anymore: I could care less about the current roster of "super stars". And when I was young I still believed it was real, so after that bubble burst, all that was left was the comedic acting and some admiration on my part for the athletic feats they perform with these bulky bodies, but other than that...

@TheRealThanos - Yeah, Riki is an acquired taste, but my entire family now walks around the house saying "Riki likes fighting eeeasy monsters" all the time.

I've seen that guys acapella act a few times before, and Guar plain music is some of the best in the game.

Ultimate Warrior was always a bit too silent for me. I liked The Macho Man even before he started snapping into slim jims. Though I admit their order may be a bit off, it's been like 30 years since Saturday morning cartoon wrestling, and even another 20 since NWO. I stopped after that, it's been 20 years of John Cena and Xtreme wrestling w/ a couple of Rock vs Stone Cold bouts. We watched Hercules the other night, Rock still has it.

OK there's what seems like a trillion comments here, I'm not gonna read em all so please forgive me if some of what I have to say has already been said.

This quasi announcement has generated a lot of rumblings amongst video game enthusiasts. If someone from Nintendo's upper management or marketing were to read the comments here they could easily see this working out as a hype marketing master stroke in the same league as Super Mario Bros. 3 reveal in the movie the Wizard.

And that 3DS version looks really cool. I want to see it localised as well but if we want that to happen the most we can do is lobby the western offices of square enix. Like what the developer from the Baten Kaitos games said where he urged fans who want more games in the series to contact the publisher and tell them that they would totally throw money at this. They'll probably be able to re use the translations from the PS4 port which seems overwhelmingly likely to get translated given the popularity of it in the west.

I think a western release is likely given that Square Enix needs to harness the global potential of the DQ series. It's always been a smash hit in it's native Japan but it's struggled abroad while the final fantasy series has been tremendously popular in the west since FFVII. Square Enix needs another huge bankable worldwide franchise, they have so much riding of FFXV but having a plan B makes sense as it could cover if plan A doesn't work out as hoped better yet if both succeed then they'll be so flush with cash they'd able to light up cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills should they they so desire.

@theBluntKnight That sounds great 👍