As you're no doubt well aware by now, substantial reports around the NX published by Eurogamer and reinforced by follow-up sources - some of which we've spoken to - have given the strongest indications yet of the make-up of Nintendo's next system. There are counter-rumours and reports, of course, though at this point the details from Eurogamer and similar sources seem to have clout and consistency on their side.
One of the aspects of the report focused around the NX hardware utilising Nvidia technology, potentially Tegra X1, its successor or perhaps a custom chip developed for Nintendo. The focus of this rumour is the portable element, leading some to believe the Tegra range is likely due to its small size and relatively impressive related power.
The reports around this have perhaps been given a further layer of solidity with Nvidia formally dropping the next device in the SHIELD Tablet range; an FCC filing from the start of this month was picked up by Digital Trends.
The SHIELD range has had multiple form factors, with each primarily a showcase for Nvidia technology while not generating notable sales numbers. Our own Damien McFerran, a technology buff and avid SHIELD hardware supporter, argued recently that the range has been a means for Nvidia to research and develop powerful portable graphics chips while showcasing them to enthusiasts and potential clients. He argues that, should the reports of a form of this technology being used in NX be accurate, the SHIELD hardware strategy will have been vindicated in helping Nvidia secure a lucrative partner.
In any case, it'll be fascinating to see whether these sources and reports are right about Nvidia technology in the NX; if so, then perhaps the SHIELD range of systems has run its course.
With thanks to Francisco for the tip.
[source digitaltrends.com]
Comments (163)
Welp.
Let's hope it's good.
It's all starting to come together...
HURRY UP MARCH
@HeroOfTime32 I'll settle for September, at least for the time being.
They need to hurry up and reveal this thing.
No offense but if you actually look at Nvidia's investors briefing, the CEO clearly said that the future of tegra will be primarily focused on cars and AI and have no plans for gaming
I don't feel like this reinforces the NX Tegra rumors.
To me it says more that Nvidia is not focusing on gaming at all with the Tegra line in the future. But who knows.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the Eurogamer article. But that's me...
fa shizzle
@MarcelRguez Yeah, idk when they'll do their "formal announcement" though. Part of me thinks they need to do it well before March, to start building hype and give retailers a chance to accommodate, etc. But another part of me thinks they sort of want to blindside everyone with a great reveal, followed by one of those Apple tactics of "available to download today" sort of tactics.
The gaps that Nintendo is now generating between reveal and releases is getting much smaller lately in these past years. I think they've realized the internet community is to blame for this, as stuff gets picked apart to hell and hype is either driven or lost...it's a gamble.
Look @ Super Mario 3D World. That was revealed at E3 '13, and released THAT NOVEMBER!
They are definitely holding their NX cards very close to their chests. It's likely a very novel concept, and they're afraid of competition wanting to duplicate or replicate it and get a share of their marketplace. Look at Wii/motion gaming. Nintendo surprised everyone, and then Playstation Move released & XBOX Kinect did too. That's b/c the competition could start thinking about motion early enough to start the R&D process in time to get a product out. Nintendo is trying to avoid that right now. I'm thinking they're going to hold off on a preview/reveal for as long as they are able to.
...but naturally, I could be totally wrong. One thing is for sure... every day it gets closer
Yeah there is audio of the CEO in an investor meeting stating stating that Tegra is now put to use for AI, Drones and auto-driven vehicles.
Plus the financial reports show licensing of their chips to be down to a new low not seen since 2015. Certainly sounds like a console huh?
You guys need to be a little less up the butts of your partner sites. The financial clicky money ad stuff is obvious since its declared on every page, and really, since Nvidia has quite plainly stated otherwise and all suggestions show Tegra moving away from gaming....Nope.
@HeroOfTime32 They need to do it at least a couple of months before March. These things don't market themselves, and there's a lot of info floating around that needs to be discredited. If the NX turns out to be as relatively complex as these rumors would lead us to believe, then that's another reason why Nintendo needs to give consumers some time to inform themselves. Not too mention, they still need to talk about the games.
I wouldn't be too surprised if September passes by without an official reveal, but I would be concerned.
Anyone remember the time Eurogamer were positively certain which hardware architecture 3DS was going to incorporate, back in 2010? They were so certain, yet turned out to be so wrong. Déjà vu anyone?
@MarcelRguez I'm im agreement. My dart on the wall for official reveal is mid October.
That gives AMPLE time (5 months) for consumers to be convinced to buy.
But to reiterate...they will def try and wait as long as they are ABLE to at least.
@CB85 Wasn't that partially true? As in, the dev kits did have Nvidia tech, the console just didn't use it in the final build?
Patents certainly point at bucking the console trend; some business decisions such as merging the hardware divisions for portable and console solidify that. It doesn't look likely that AMD will provide mobile chips.
There is still the possibility that it may come in different forms and prices. Soon.
@Dakt i think they gave up on the wii u a long time ago.i doubt they'll promote it in any way. since they are aiming for mainstream consumers, i suspect they will reveal at ces.
@HeroOfTime32 Urgh. If we have to wait until mid-October, I'll probably just get myself a PS4 instead, at least for the time being. Too many exclusives to play.
@Dakt Honestly, it's so bad of an idea that I can totally see Nintendo going for it.
In all seriousness, I don't think they care that much about their performance on this Christmas period. The momentum of both consoles is winding down big time, and it's not like they have upcoming software to prevent that. I guess there's Sun & Moon, but that is going to sell great regardless of what they do.
@ThomasBW84 Can you undo selective journalism and mention that their sales of chips don't match the production of a new console, and that they said Tegra isn't going to gaming at this time? Or does it make more cash to only support what Damien says, since, as you state, he is a Shield nut.
Wii U is one of the worst Nintendo consoles... I don't want to bash Nintendo but Nintendo has almost given up Wii U. I did not have a Wii and so I probably have more fun than most gamers as I could played some Wii games. However, I am actually bored by it now. I played more games on my PC than on my Wii U.
Wii U has been on life support by indie games and virtual console. I hope that NX does fare better, but I do feel that Nintendo has been unfair to early adoptors of Wii U - they have paid a lot but get relatively little for their money.
I guess you people have read the results of a different investor's meeting than I have..
They were pretty clear about the fact that Tegra was going to be used in self-driving car technology and that they had no plans for gaming hardware in the near future.
@MarcelRguez That "argued recently" linked to article is the smug 1 I was referring too.
Taking the day off @ThanosReXXX It's OK, @Aeleron0X already covered it at #5.
I'm out of here, have fun all. Be nice @BLPs they are just trying to pay the bills (though I agree w/ you) I'm pretty sure Nvdia would have mentioned sales of 10-12 million chips being put into consoles now for March sales.
Well. This is getting out of hand. All these rumors contradicting each other and everyone being "so certain" these rumors are fact even though, as others have pointed out, there's substantial evidence from Nvidia themselves that puts these "certain" rumors to rest. It's all kind of killing the hype for me.
At this point, I don't want to read another NX article unless it says "Nintendo Sets NX Reveal Date for...." It's getting really hard to keep track of all of these rumors.
@GreatPlayer Granted, that's one of the drawbacks of being an early adopter. Still, I agree with you. The Wii U has great games but in general, the library and its offerings are anorexic compared to the competition. Perhaps, Nintendo will get it right this time. (I don't really see how and I'm not counting on it but I'm all for surprises, lol)
So, basically, we're back as square one as far as what the hell this things is other than a "hybrid portable"...
Geez, Nintendo is tiring...
When you can't beat em, join em.
@rjejr I see. It didn't strike me as blatant on the first read, but reading it alongside this entry kind of shines a new light on it.
@Yoshis_VGM Look at the bright side, it still might be a poweful home console. That's what the AMD side of rumors seems to suggest, at least.
when asked about gaming, the guy just changed the subject. He never said 'no plans'...
@MarcelRguez That's what I'm hoping. I really want the NX to foremost be a home console with a handheld component, rather than a handheld with a console component, like these "certain" reports indicate.
It has to be a home console. I can't see Breath of the Wild being a handheld game at all on the NX.
@Yoshis_VGM And Dragon Quest X, and that new Sonic game. I mean, they could be downgraded versions, but there's no reason to assume that.
@toxibunny He didn't say no plans, but given the NX will be in production now or very soon...why did they reveal a new low for licensing their chips out?
I think it's become a little apparent with the selective reading of Nvidia's reports, the Shield love, and Eurogamer ties, that there is an agenda going on here. Whether or not they are true, seems to sway to the no they aren't angle, but as it stands I wouldn't use NL as a NX source.
@MarcelRguez Exactly. And if Sonic is also coming to PS4 and XONE...it makes me think that the NX has to be somewhat competitive from a hardware standpoint. And that points more to home console. But who knows. Enough fluffy PR talk and contradicting rumors and reveal the thing please, Nintendo.
@Aeleron0X they could just be saying that because Nintendo wasn't all information on this thing to stay on the down low.
@toxibunny And they lied to their investors and lowered their forecasts for no apparent reason?
Okay, I'm going to say this now, for @bubby444 and anyone else who wants to here it.
If Nvidia was supplying chips for this little box/boxes/whatever the hell it is, why would the number of chips like Tegra that have been licensed to other parties for use in devices be down to its lowest point since Q3 2015, if the NX is entering production NOW? Surely the number would increase not decrease when investing and supplying components.
I'm with @Octane on this, if they had to keep this hidden, theyd just say "Gaming devices", instead they clearly made up low figures and lied about the direction of their company to the investors that keep it AFLOAT just so they don't reveal its supplying. Yeah. Sure. Nvidia is NOT in on this. The horse has spoken!
@Dakt Hast-tag shots fired indeed. TBH its pretty sad that this rumour ppersists even after Nvidia said no you silly kiddies.
@BLPs Except NX isn't entering production now. It won't enter production until late October/early November. That's an entire financial quarter away. They can revise forecasts then.
Need I remind you that Satoru Iwata flat out lied to Nintendo's investors, stating crystal clearly that Nintendo would not be producing mobile titles, yet talks with DeNA started as early as 2010?
It's not out of the question for a CEO to lie about things to their investors in order to keep things hidden. Besides, Nvidia's CEO didn't even lie - he dodged the question and changed the subject.
AS said in some replys here.Didn't nintendo life listen to Nivdia and its financial video report ,and listen to that person who ask a question about gaming.why would Nintendo try so hard to keep this so secret from Sony ,Microsoft(unless it's has to do with smartphones phones) why in the hell would they want this Eurogamer hybrid crap,It's been done before as shown on diagram leaks,expect for suplimental computing device.
@BLPs Indeed, even if they were under an NDA with Nintendo; they would've just mentioned ''gaming hardware'' or something similar to that. They're definitely not going to lie about this.
@Yoshis_VGM Yup. Sony and Microsoft are only doing the NX a favor with their console revisions. By increasing the vitality of this generation, they're allowing Nintendo to make a console similar to their 2013 ones and making sure a console of that power doesn't get left behind in terms of content. That's great for third-parties.
@Dakt DQX, not XI. Although that one also has a 3DS version, so your point still stands. Nevertheless, the announcement made it sound like the PS4 and NX versions are one and the same. I had this same conversation with @ThanosReXXX a while back, but I've forgotten the arguments he brought to the table to support that notion. I'd check them to repost them here, but I'm on mobile and without any MB left on my data plan.
@BLPs I understand that now, and I completely agree. But I'm also hearing that they never said that they had no plans. It's just a theory, but look at Dragon Quest X, it was reveled to be on the NX early on, then Square Enix had to go back and do damage control. And it was just recently re-announced for the NX. We all know how Nintendo is, the are super secretive about everything they're doing till they are ready. If Nintendo is using Tegra chips, I'm sure they don't want Nivida talking about it. Again, it's just a theory.
@IceClimbers That's a difference. Nintendo had no plans to release any mobile games back in 2014 or whenever that was. If they had plans back then, we would've had Nintendo games on mobile by now. Miitomo released earlier this year and there's still no sign of the other mobile games. It's safe to say that he wasn't lying when he said that. ''Currently no plans'' =/= never. It just means that as of that time of speaking, there were no concrete plans. Nintendo and DeNA could've been talking since 1889 for all I care; that really doesn't mean anything.
@bubby444 if it was using Tegra chips, the money would have changed hands and the reports would show that, that's the problem. Nothing indicates any deal with Nintendo, especially since the other major option, AMD, has 3 chips lined up, one for this year (PS4K), one for Scorpio, and one to be announced.
@Octane no point hiding the fact its being used in things, then harming your company.
@IceClimbers He wasn't asked about it being in gaming, he was asked about the future uses of Tegra and he gave an answer.
Yes Satoru Iwata stated talks began as early as 2010. Why would investors need to know that if there was the possibility that it wouldn't lead to anything, hence "talks".
@bubby444 True, Nvidia would've signed an NDA with Nintendo. And Nvidia would've mentioned Nintendo or NX specifically. However, they would've told developers that they were expecting to ramp up the production of their Tegra chips, or they would've told them that it was for dedicated gaming hardware. That doesn't break the NDA. Straight up lying that self-driving cars are the only venture for Tegra and making up forecast numbers isn't what you want to do when you're a public company. There's no conspiracy; Maybe Eurogamer was wrong? Just like they were about the 3DS before that system launched. Occam's razor my friend..
I knew it. The NX is a portable device...a self driving portable device HAHAHAHAHAH.
I could careless if the NX uses Tegra chips, and I don't see a point in everyone getting so crazy about it. I don't trust anyone being a company investment meeting or a Nintendo news website. People can say whatever works in there benefit.
Alright everyone, I'm a changed man! I hereby side with the idea that the NX isn't using Tegra chips. Good arguments were made, but now that I think about it more it makes since that something might've been mentioned in the investors meeting. But, I'm sure it's safe to assume that everyone with an opinion on this site is human, which means everyone might be wrong. I'm also completely done with these rumors about the NX.
@bubby444 The rumours are the worst part. It could go either way and it flips flops daily. :/
Seeing as how Nvidia have just hired for their gaming division, and AMD seem to be working with them too, I calling that there are two devices after all. One handheld and the other home and both work together using a Xilinx chip. It's all been very confused from the start, as people were seeing the different units and drawing conclusions.
@Iggy-Koopa You have basically said ALL the rumours are true from day one. Hehe. Hurry up Nintendo.
@BLPs it will drive a person crazy!
@Dakt I didn't miss it, that's why I said your point still stands. I was talking about DQX, not XI, so I assumed you misread my post when you mentioned it.
The reason why I mentioned DQX and not XI is that only DQX has been officially confirmed for both the NX and PS4. DQXI was de-confirmed some time after the original info came out. My apologies if the article you linked states otherwise and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not going to click on a Kotaku link.
@CB85 You forget to mention that a couple weeks later they posted a new article where they DID get the specs right. Don't forget that Nvidia originally WAS going to work together with Nintendo on the 3DS.
my theory
1.the NX is a handheld /tablet
2.I think that the NX is the successor to the tablet I also think that the controller removes from the tablet and combines to form a pro controller
3.I think it will hook up to a TV via HDMI
4.It will at least have a 720p screen(I hope for 1200p or more)
Also I could be wrong also it could be nothing it could just be a upgraded 3ds and Wii u.
This dose help hold up the rumor also I think a review will happen between mid. sept. to early nov.
So far, so good.
Rumours smumours.
@GrailUK I honestly think they are! It would tie in directly to what Iwata said, and I really can't see them ditching both sides of the business any time soon. I fully believe there will be a home unit with AMD, a handheld using Nvidia's latest tech (or a modified version of X1 due to it overheating so much), and Xilinx will add the missing pieces to the puzzle. Then again, we could all be completely wrong and we are already in the NX...... Inception music plays
Let's look at the facts.
1. The NX has power comparable to the PS4 and XBone
2. The NX is being revealed this fall (Most likely September)
3. Games for the system will include Zelda BotW, Dragon Quest X, Just Dance 2017, and possibly Dragon Quest XI
4. It will be comparable with their mobile games
5. THAT. IS. ALL. WE. KNOW.
@Dakt Probably that Kotaku's owned by Gawker.
I personally use Kotaku for non-Nintendo news, but I under stand why he wouldn't.
@Iggy-Koopa I agree that I cannot see Nintendo ditch two sides. Anyone old as me will remember the days Nintendo preached game design on a hand held was a different beast to home consoles. Hybrid kind of throws away a couple of levels of typical Nintendo thoughtfulness. I loved Xenoblade Chronicles (possibly my favourite game ever!) but on 3DS it is eye squintingly stressful.
@Dakt Oh, I understand now. Nevertheless, that's still three more confirmed games of graphical fidelity similar to at least that of the Wii U. I'd be surprised if the NX doesn't end up being more similar to a PS4 than anything, but, as with everything, I'm not expecting it.
About Kotaku, @Mega_Yarn_Poochy got it right. Besides that, I dislike most of their content and the way they present it. Not because of the content itself even, but due to clickbait and unprofessional tone. This is the first time I'm hearing about IGN being the new owner, though. Which I'm not that big of a fan either, but they're alright.
@MarcelRguez Wow, very valid point about Neo/Scorpio helping NX out by extending the lifespan of this gen. Makes it a little less relevant that Nintendo may JUST NOW be getting up to par for this gen (considering these Neo/Scorpio consoles are luxuries, not necessities for gaming this gen).
@Dakt I don't have a source but the IGN podcast (NVC) this week or last week said Nintendo is starting "trial production runs". This is prob a ~10,000 or so odd numbered run to see how the assembly line is running, and give them time to iron out the kinks in the assembly process.
They're definitely starting some form of production.
@Dakt Here's one stating that production begins in early 2017:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/nintendo_nx_production_reportedly_pushed_back_to_2017_to_incorporate_virtual_reality
This one states early October:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160805PD205.html
Point is, for a device launching in March 2017, it won't start production until October/November. No way would a March 2017 device be starting production in August 2016 when most electronics companies begin mass production only a couple months before launch, not 6-7 months.
@Octane @BLPs
It's pretty damn clear that the "talks" with DeNA were far more than just talks by the time Iwata said that. Telling investors that you will not be producing mobile titles while you're in negotiations for a corporate alliance with a company to produce mobile titles is VERY much lying to them.
Nvidia's CEO was asked about the future of Tegra. He talked about AI and cars, and didn't mention gaming. Again, absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.
Also, mentioning "dedicated gaming hardware" would absolutely break NDAs with Nintendo. Anyone with half a brain would put two and two together and deduce that it's the NX. That would lead to headlines confirming that NX is using Nvidia Tegra.
And for the record, Eurogamer wasn't wrong about the 3DS. According to NeoGaf, the 3DS dev kits were using Tegra, but the final build did not as Nintendo switched partners to DMP.
Also, would it show up in Nvidia's production forecasts if they're not the one producing/manufacturing the chip, but only licensing the design?
@Yoshis_VGM I'm seriously convinced, at this point, that Nintendo has become the ultimate troll and is putting out the contradictory information. Which, if at all true, I wouldn't be mad at. But I know how segments of the community can get and it might a tactic that could backfire with the growing impatience (and some cases, entitlement)
@IceClimbers It didn't show up as no money has been declared with regards to the licensing either.
Look it's all well and good believing this but until it's confirmed and this site learns to print a whole story, I don't give two rats asses. There's printing a rumour and then ignoring half of what nvidia said just to line up with someone who funnels money your way
@HeroOfTime32 Yeah, exactly. The minimal requirements for currently-developed games are defined by the original Xbox One model, which means Nintendo could theoretically get away with releasing a similarly powerful device without losing third-party support. There are other factors to consider, obviously, but power shouldn't be an issue now. If the current gen lasts for a couple of years more, Nintendo can play catch-up if they're interested.
@MarcelRguez "if they're interested" it's been a while since that's happened lol
@Octane @BLPs The guy didn't explicitly state that they weren't having anything to do with gaming. He was asked 'are you doing X?' and he answered 'we are doing Y and Z', essentially. To claim that he said 'we are not doing X' is literally not true.
Just keeping everyone straight, that's all. I'm not particularly emotionally invested either way - though I am enjoying this crazy NX rumour rollercoaster...
Keep them rumours circulating the forums
@toxibunny My main problem is how this site is only half-printing the facts. Its infuriating, unprofessional and also doesn't get anyone anywhere except free ad clicks for them. Oh and maybe a pat on the back from big bro Eurogamer.
I also just want a semi-competent device and being in a house of PC gamers....Tegra is already the source of laughing at me and my purchase choices, and yes you can ignore comments like that but lets be real, its easy to ignore a few, but with frequency comes tiredness, and with tiredness comes wanting to slap them with the graphics card they go pray to lord Gaben over.
Monster hunter 5 Ultimate!! Make it happens NX!!
@BLPs I'm sorry it affects you so much. It's sad that modern Nintendo seems to have given up on the powerful home console space, and I'm 'lucky' enough to have so little time to myself nowadays that a lack of releases doesn't bother me so much. I'd like another proper paper Mario, and I'd like stuff like Street Fighter and Dark Souls and Overwatch and Tomb Raider to come to Nintendo consoles. I'd love a new Dokapon Kingdom game and a non-crappy Mario Party. Things change though, and the things you love don't always stick around. People die, bands split up, movie franchises get crappy sequels, and popular companies rise and fall. It's just life.
This is just a Nintendo fan website. They have to have something to keep us coming back, and there's precious little real stuff to talk about, so we get stories about rumours, little business pieces like this, 'talking points', etc. It's nothing sinister, just a natural consequence of Nintendo being so quiet for so long... :/
@toxibunny Yup, I lost count how many magazines folded in periods like this.
@toxibunny It's not nintendos fault. My fault for winding up with a bunch of pc master races. :/
@BLPs Maybe you should get a 4-way USB Gamecube controller adapter, and a bunch of pads, and get into some of that sweet dolphin emulation.
@toxibunny My laptop wouldn't do it at least not well. Sadly that's another point of contention with me.
@IceClimbers Nintendo's relationship with DeNA is more focused on online infrastructure and not the development of mobile titles, MyNintendo is a DeNA initiative for example, in fact as of now Nintendo has been developing their mobile games themselves having the mobile games division headed up by the director of Mario Kart and Miitomo made by the Metroid/Tomodachi creator. Pokemon Go is an exception but is of course a different thing altogether given it's a Pokemon product. DeNA was not recruited for mobile games, although their expertise has/may end up being leveraged.
@Octane
"I guess you people have read the results of a different investor's meeting than I have..
They were pretty clear about the fact that Tegra was going to be used in self-driving car technology and that they had no plans for gaming hardware in the near future."
Source? I've tried to look up reports of the briefing but coind this...
@rjejr Never, my friend. Not a chance in hell. Where there's some rumor-related fun to be had, the mad Titan will appear...
(and that other comment is WAY to short to drive the point home)
@BLPs Relax buddy, no stress. Just use a bit of logic and connect the dots. There is no denying the facts already out in the open.
Let's go over them, shall we? And bear with me because it's an extensive read...
"substantial reports around the NX published by Eurogamer"
No, not "substantial" reports: biased rumors based on a selective, single-minded viewpoint.
"the details from EuroGamer and similar sources seem to have clout and consistency on their side."
No, because they are based on an unconfirmed rumor and aren't supported by any known or confirmed source.
"The reports around this have perhaps been given a further layer of solidity"
No, just no. Or (in the best case scenario for EuroGamer huggers) a HUMONGOUS perhaps. Provided the EuroGamer "report" is only focusing on a handheld, which I have no doubt will also be made to eventually replace the 3DS. But there's simply too much information missing for it to be the entire picture. So it's either completely false or it only concerns the handheld device.
To the logical and inquisitive mind, all this info actually further solidifies AMD as the prime (and perhaps even only) candidate for the NX, at least: the home console part of the NX family, since this isn't going to be just one device, as the search for two separate marketing leads (one for handheld and one for consoles) clearly shows. You don't need two separate marketing leads if it is going to be one single hybrid device. And marketing is something that I happen to know quite a bit about, being a sales & marketing professional myself.
AMD has reported further semi-custom design wins, multiple sites forming their own opinion (instead of unanimously piggy-backing off of EuroGamer's rumor - yes, I said it) and actually taking the effort to dig into official data, have come up with several details of these design wins, and all point to Nintendo. More and more sites report on this, and apparently, financial insiders already knew about it since July.
Nvidia hasn't shown or given any such details, and their own quarterly report even show quite a few hints to the contrary:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-reports-q2-fy17-quarterly-earnings/
So, the only chance they will have left is on the 20th, when the Hot Chips Conference will be held. If by then they still don't show anything, then it will be HIGHLY unlikely that they are in a current bid for any console, let alone Nintendo. UNLESS, and that is another big IF, what will happen is that Nintendo will FIRST release a console, made with AMD, and later in 2017 they will come out with a handheld powered by Nvidia. That time scale would mean that Nvidia isn't under any obligation to divulge such information yet, and information pertaining to that could then be withheld until the Q1 or even Q2 2017 meetings.
But with the current quarterly financial reports all but completely out in the open, no substantial info whatsoever has been found to corroborate even an inch of the rumor that EuroGamer has flung into the ether.
My guess is that they are seriously running the risk of stepping into the same turd that they stepped in back when they predicted with all but ironclad certainty that the 3DS was going to be powered by a Tegra chip, also based on "insider knowledge" and an early dev kit that did indeed have a Tegra chip in it, but that was only used as a placeholder to be able to start development of games, @IceClimbers...
And EuroGamer just went with that and said it was confirmed as the hardware going into the actual 3DS handheld.
But as we all know now, this was obviously not the final design and has been proven more than wrong and they never even had the balls to admit that they were wrong on that one. They just let it pass until it faded to the background.
And no info that supports Tegra in any Nintendo device can be derived from the quarterly meeting either. Kevin Cassidy from GoNintendo asked Jen-Hsun Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, if the Tegra was going to be used in any other device than in self-driving cars, and this was his exact answer:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpwmMJXWcAALS1b.jpg
Seems pretty clear to me, and he is NOT dodging the question...
People saying you can withhold information from or downright lie to your main party of shareholders are either delusional or have no idea how financial meetings work and what the importance of them is, for example in relation to the stock market and value estimations for investors.
On another note, according to a verified user on Reddit and NeoGAF, the EuroGamer guys are either wrong or have been duped:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204280
Normally I wouldn't put that much trust into an online forum, but if we are going to take unconfirmed reports with no visible proof from gaming sites as facts, then we might as well drag in people that are at least verified by a whole bunch of mods on both Reddit and NeoGAF as actually having contacts at Nintendo...
And for those interested, take a look at HappyNintendoFan's Twitter page or YouTube channel: he's another verified user posting a LOT of information, most of which is way too detailed and specific to be guess work.
Besides all that, one big defense that people believing in Nvidia use is that AMD have no mobile chip to put in any handheld, but this is completely wrong. Here's AMD's leaked road map going forward for the next 1,5 years clearly showing mobile tech options, and the power usage of these chips seem to be right up Nintendo's alley, since they're always looking for low power consumption solutions:
https://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/2001196831.png
And Digital Media Professionals Inc. (DMP), the hardware supplier of the 3DS chipsets, has also been very busy making highly capable hardware (DMP M3000 GPU, which is apparently capable of near-PS4 level graphics) based on FPGA and Vulkan tech, something that could also work with Xilinx, yet another logical rumor that keeps popping up.
So, big losses, no design wins, no investments, no big hardware orders, no focus on gaming, no plans divulged at investor meeting and no evidence to support any claim concerning Nvidia developing hardware for Nintendo. Seems to me that things aren't really in favor of Nvidia, whichever way you look at it.
In case people want to compare AMD's and Nvidia's statements for themselves to digest this information without simply taking anything anyone (including me) says at face value, here's a video that contains recordings of both speeches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNKNH5CDI8
Listen carefully and make up your own minds...
And while I'm firmly in the AMD camp (obviously) it does have to be said that nothing is set in stone as of yet, but if we compare the information available, then at least for now, the picture of what the NX is going to be and what it's going to contain hardware-wise, is more than clearly in favor of AMD.
Only official statements to the contrary from Nvidia or Nintendo themselves could change that. Nvidia will speak in more detail about the Tegra X2 at the Hot Chips Conference on the 20th, so for all you tech heads that are interested in that, keep that date in mind, and of course we can expect the official and final word from Nintendo themselves somewhere around the end of next month.
But even with NDA's on the hardware in full effect, Nvidia would not be able to hold press conferences and/or showcase new hardware and forego discussing any semi-custom design wins, large quantities of hardware orders, or implementation goals of their new chipsets by naming categories in general.
Mind you, they don't have to specifically mention Nintendo or NX, but they should be able to state something like "console" or "gaming device" without breaking an NDA. They haven't done this now, and if they don't mention it on the 20th, then it is highly unlikely that Nvidia will have a semi-custom design win for a Nintendo device.
And @IceClimbers talking about "absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence", people/idiots are jumping on the fact that the Shield 2 is cancelled to claim that it is definitive proof that this technology will now be used for the NX handheld. Tin foil hats a-go--go...
@ThanosReXXX Thank you for explaining that far better than I ever could.
@BLPs Lay of the booze for a while and you might. (then again: I also needed a Bacardi & Coke halfway through)
Why are these sources not being reported on? they seem pretty reliable to me. This directly from Yahoo Finance, an obviously well known and presumably connected source:
"Semi-custom business
AMD, which competes with Intel (INTC) and NVIDIA (NVDA) in the CPU (central processing unit) and GPU (graphics processing unit) market, dominates the gaming console market. It’s the sole supplier of semi-custom processors for Japan-based (EWJ) Sony’s (SNE) PlayStation 4 and Microsoft’s (MSFT) Xbox. It has also won an order for Nintendo’s upcoming console, codenamed “NX.” "
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-revenues-hit-weakness-semi-130735686.html
More sources:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3989164-amd-windows-opportunity-open
http://knowtechie.com/amd-polaris-rising-star-flop/
http://marketrealist.com/2016/07/semi-custom-chip-sales-drive-amds-revenue-fiscal-2q16/
I think it's AMD, in fact even if it's a hybrid with both a handheld and home console form factor i see both being AMD powered, certainly the home console will be. I love my Nvidia Shield but it's old technology and it's not as cost effective relative to performance as an AMD solution would be. AMD is also a long time partner with Nintendo and has reported design wins on semi-custom chips for gaming that have yet to be revealed, and with Scorpio and Neo both having been reveled it isn't them.
I think NintendoLife is going way to far to support their partner site, a site that wrongly reported Nvidia powering the 3DS. Even if Eurogamer is correct it would be nice to see all sources reported on.
@ThanosReXXX Jesus Christ. Rename yourself to Terrax, 'cause you just brought the hammer down with that post.
@Kevlar44 Even if Eurogamer is correct it would be nice to see all sources reported on.
Definitely agree on this. Hearing all sides of the argument never hurt anyone.
@ThanosReXXX Nah, I need to drink to ignore the PC Mustard Race in my house. XD
@Kevlar44 I didn't even know that, that's pretty....dear god I was right about them riding Eurogamer like a...never mind.
Oka, please NL Reporters, report everything.
@ThanosReXXX I guess i basically just gave the cole notes version of your awesome reply. Hahaha. Great comment.
@BLPs PC Mustard Race? What the...
I just assume it's going to be underpowered with no third party support, this way I'll be surprised with anything else. It's a bleak view but Nintendo hasn't really knocked it out of the park from a design standpoint since the GameCube (proprietary storage media notwithstanding)
@MarcelRguez Thanks. But I think I'll stick with Thanos; he could probably crush Terrax with his little finger...
@Kevlar44 Right back at you. I saw you even had a link that I forgot, so I've now added that to my wall of text...
@JpGamerGuy90 The Wii wasn't a homerun in your eyes? I'd suggest the DS and 3DS also generated massive buzz due to their design. Of course power has been an issue but why would they change it up with the Wii U when what they did with the Wii/DS/and to a lesser extent 3DS worked so well? If it ain't broke don't fix it. Now that the Wii U has failed, a shame IMO since i loved it, i think we're going to see Nintendo go back to their roots which was having poweful tech. in their systems as everything up to the GC/GBA was very capable for the time (Gameboy excluded since a handheld in general was revolutionary and unlike the Gamegear it didn't eat batteries).
@Kevlar44 @ThanosReXXX
That Yahoo article from May isn't reliable at all. That was pure speculation based on AMD getting semi-custom design wins beforehand.
For the record, AMD's current third chip win is ARM-based according to NeoGaf, not x86 based.
Ultimately, at the end of the day there's not really any concrete evidence for Nvidia, AMD, or DMP. There's just as much evidence that NX doesn't actually exist or is actually the Neo at this point.
More NX click bait. We know nothing. Nintendo knows everything. It's best we accept it and move on (wait for reveal). On a side note, you're all sexy and I love you to pieces.
@ThanosReXXX They believe PC is the only way to play etc.
Confirmed: the NX will be able to park your car.
@IceClimbers Really now?
This little bit of text hardly seems ambiguous or speculative to me:
"Semi-custom business
AMD, which competes with Intel (INTC) and NVIDIA (NVDA) in the CPU (central processing unit) and GPU (graphics processing unit) market, dominates the gaming console market. It’s the sole supplier of semi-custom processors for Japan-based (EWJ) Sony’s (SNE) PlayStation 4 and Microsoft’s (MSFT) Xbox. It has also won an order for Nintendo’s upcoming console, codenamed “NX.”"
It is stated as factual, not as speculation.
And yes, one of AMD's design wins is apparently ARM based, but that was already more or less known two years ago and then confirmed again a year later:
http://wccftech.com/amd-game-console-arm-x86-architecture/
http://wccftech.com/amd-making-processor-nintendo-nx/
Doesn't discredit anything Nintendo related, though.
They had two confirmed design wins back in 2014, one of which was x86 and the other should then the ARM one, but since then, they have won at least two additional design wins (likely for the PS NEO and Xbox One S or Scorpio) and not all current design wins have been specified yet.
AMD's CEO is hinting at even more wins, so NX could easily be among them. I'm not stating that as a fact, I'm simply not ruling it out, like the Nvidia camp is doing.
And I also didn't just collect a truckload of information to type a whole wall of text proving my point (or at the very least offer some perspective instead of the one-sided "it is definitely going to be Nvidia" argument) just to be tackled by one simple comment...
@BLPs Ah, PC Master race... For a minute there, you had me slightly puzzled.
@ThanosReXXX I call them the Mustard Race. I don't give a damn about how it all works. I make games, play games. I play on what works within my price range.
@ThanosReXXX My point was that the Yahoo article is inaccurate because that bit of info was made up.
Even renowned industry expert ZhugeEX said it's bogus:
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/764195973379788800
Anyways, I'm not sure what to think anymore. Plot twist: NX uses Intel
Can Nintendo please reveal the damn thing already?
@BLPs Amen to that. I'm of the same mind. Don't make games, though, so you win on that front.
But to celebrate I just poured myself another one, so cheers, here's to the weekend.
@IceClimbers Could be, but it is weird that even if one site has made it up that at least two separate sources have also stated the same, only more recently and coinciding with information leaking from the financial meeting, so that seems a bit too much of a coincidence to me.
Still, all I wrote is my own opinion based on facts I collected, and in the entire wall of text I clearly stated several times that there are still options for Nvidia to be involved, so I'm not ruling them out, it's just odd that so much info can be found on AMD which is out in the open, and everything Nvidia related is either not mentioned or we are supposed to accept it because websites tell us the info comes from "trusted" sources and "industry insiders".
Next thing you know we are going to have to believe everything that Emily Rogers is saying...
But looking at both sides, we will either get a powerful handheld with a slightly meh/last gen "home console" experience when connected to TV, or a powerful "in between PS4 and PS NEO" home console with some questions still left unanswered as to what the mobile/handheld part is going to contain.
On a side note: I don't care much about ZhugeEX, since he is an analyst in the Digital Games market, and besides most analysts talking out of their @ss (like Michael Pachter), hardware isn't his specialty. And it is mine, albeit from a sales & marketing viewpoint, but still...
And he may even be one of the more trusted or better analysts, but that still doesn't mean that everything he says is absolutely correct. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
But totally agreed on Nintendo needing to show or tell something because even though I can be a very patient man, I'm more than done with all the rumors myself, so I'll be glad once the official announcement is done and we can put everything to rest once and for all.
@ThanosReXXX nicely explained
...or maybe Nvidia is planning to re-focus their wireless video-streaming abilities on newer tech (like VR)
@ThanosReXXX Agreed.
As for Zhuge, his specialty is definitely sales. Quite trustworthy there. Hardware components though? As you said, not his specialty.
Anyways, I'm surprised that NL hasn't reported on the 3DS being the top selling hardware in July's NPD (largely thanks to Pokemon Go), with the follow up Talking Point article about it being evidence that Nintendo's mobile plans may actually work. That's an easy 50+ comment article and 100+ comment article, which they could use considering the lack of Nintendo news
I do know that I've been enjoying my Nvidia tablet K1. Awesome piece of hardware! Especially with a 128gb memory card that can act as the tablets integrated hard drive. An the Xbox One like controller is sweet, too! IF the NX does incorporate the Tegra technology, I'm hoping it is the X2 or a custom Tegra with Nintendo's engineers input in it that can kick ass!
@IceClimbers True. Good one. But just look at the average comment count on articles like these. If you were them, what would you do?
Oh Nvidia I love you because of my board and now will love you because NX.
@ThanosReXXX Good point
@IceClimbers And here's the latest twist in the tale:
Nintendo employee sneezes during an interview about Mario's mustache. NX now confirmed to be mustache compatible. Trust me, my uncle told me that his friends' cousin who works at a mustache comb factory said that one of the managers has a Bowser sticker on his fridge. This is all confirms that it will be mustache compatible, trust me my dad works at Nintendo. 😊
@c1pher_c0mplet My point is that Nintendo actually made LESS games for Wii U now than before - they are making LESS effort to support the console.
Wow NL, that was clickbait at it's finest... It's a good thing I've been using another site for Nintendo news...
I don't know why I keep clicking on these articles about NX, these rumours are truly getting out of control. At this point, the only confirmed thing about NX is that it will have Zelda, Dragon Quest and Just Dance. ANYTHING else is just rumours,
@Thanos, @BLP, @Marcel Thanks for explaining all the stuff, you made it far easier to understand.
I was betting on a September reveal, but considering PS Neo's reveal will be on September, I don't think Nintendo will say anything on that month since any interest about NX will die in the buzz of the Neo. If we get news (real ones) on October or November, we'll be lucky.
I think I'll have to start skipping NL until we get real news - these clickbait articles are getting annoying and I need to focus on graduating already.
@Braok what is your icon from
It's also possible that Nintendo is telling Nvidia to stay quiet with the NX.
With that said, I don't care...I'm just waiting until Nintendo actually reveals the stupid thing. lol
RIP R2D2
These Nintendo rumor discussions are starting to feel like a AMD / Nvidia fanboy PC forum
This doesn't reinforce Eurogamer's rumors Nintendolife. The likelyhood of tegra x1 or x2 being used for the NX is highly unlikely, meanwhile the likelyhood of there being a 2 unit platform, one ARM handheld, and a AMD x86 console is far more likely. September can't come soon enough so we can stop reinforcing base-less rumors.
@renaryuugufan92 it seems a little odd that they would unify the handheld and console development in one division but then have two separate hardware platforms (x86 and ARM). I'm not saying it's impossible but If they want to attract 3rd parties this doesn't seem like the way to do it. I also don't agree with folks who are saying we'll get an AMD console and an Nvidia handheld. That just sounds counter intuitive
So, I actually read the linked too digitaltrends article, and I don't get it, what's the connection between Nvidia canceling Shield and the NX having the same chip? Nvidia consoles are Android based and play Android games. Nintendo NX would play Nintendo games. There would be no competition between the 2. Roku still has boxes even though Amazon has Fire. Nintendo has had handheld consoles for 20 years, just b/c now it would have a Nvidia chip all of a sudden Nvidia realizes their handheld is in competition with Nintendo handhelds? Have they not known Nintendo makes handhelds all these years? Did they not think Nintendo was going to make another handheld after 3DS sold 55 million when they said Shield 2 was coming?
I'm sorry, but none of this makes any sense. If Nvidia had the NX contract why announce Shield 2 in the first place? Why cancel Shield 2 just b/c it shares the same chip as NX, don't PS4 and Xbox One share similar chips?
If Nvidia wants to cancel Shield b/c it doesn't sell, that's fine, makes sense, but they had to always know a new Nintendo handheld was coming, regardless of what chip it uses, there's no reason to cancel Shield 2 b/c of NX, and there's even less reason to think NX uses Nvidia chips just b/c Shield was canceled.
How's that logic @ThanosRexx
@graysoncharles yeah, i knew that Android, Linux and windows 8/10 all have been ported to ARM and x86 but i didn't think it was that simple for games and apps to be ported to both. I'm no software developer so i could be wrong. I do know that with game engines they often optimize the code in assembly language and i would think that having two different CPUs with two different instruction sets wouldn't be idea. This won't matter as much for games using Unreal 4 or Unity since those engines have both been optimized for ARM and x86 as far as i know. This would mean that the two systems couldn't use the same cartridge/disc on both. Well, i guess they could put both the ARM and x86 code on the same cart.. hmm. Dammit Nintendo just tell us already! lol
@rjejr i agree. I don't see how this confirms anything. IF the whole purpose of shield was to develop the Tegra tech in hopes of drawing in a big customer like Nintendo then i could see why Shield would no long be needed. Maybe Nintendo was using Tegra in dev kits as a place holder while still negotiating with Nvidia and other companies for the final design. Nintendo may have signed a deal with Nvidia so they then cancelled Shield 2 to focus on NX.. OR Nintendo went with a different chip vendor and Nvidia considered this a defeat and axed the Shield 2 to focus on using Tegra in self driving cars
@rjejr The thinking behind not doing a shield 2 is that 'the shield line is meant to show off the power of tegra. It's a hassle to develop a full product, and it would never sell huge numbers anyway, so now that Nintendo's agreed to buy tens of millions of chips, they don't need to make their own anymore.'
the reasoning for them not saying anything about it/changing the subject at the investors meeting is 'Nintendo's buying tens of millions of chips and they've asked nvidia to keep it a secret until Nintendo do the official reveal in just a few weeks, so nvidia did indeed keep it a secret'
I am going to laugh so hard when Nintendo is going to reveal the NX and crushes all the rumors into oblivion.
If for one, seeing the whole Financial report of NVidia, then it's the complete opposite and that it pretty much debunked the NX with Tegra rumor, as such a big deal could not have been rugged under the carpet and hidden from the investors.
@CB85 YES I remember that very well.It seems Eurogamer has forgotten this and that we have Been diwn this road before.Athought this is different in the sence.I that was just about what chip maker it was going to have ie Nivdia.This is about a complete integration of both. Handheld and console a hybrid, IE one complete device.My opinion this gives gamers & casuals NO choices. If like me you don't care for portable (WITH SCREEN) side of it then what Nintendo are saying to you is Tuff luck,You have to buy it.Nintendo has if true never done this.I think it's completely untrue
@HeroOfTime32 I don't disagree about Nintendo's desire to protect their novel ideas, but MOVE and Kinect came out four years after the Wii released and ended up making minimal impact on the market.
It's the detachable controllers I am worried about. My main concern is the handheld won't feel sturdy. Same with if they expect us to assemble the controller for the home console.
@Dakt Nope, they still don't have a new owner, next week there will be an auction and the winner will be the new owner. If no one bids, they will be bought by Ziff Davis (source: Staff Q&A that went down this week, one of the readers asked about it)
@Skunkfish Read @ThanosReXXX 's post just below yours; #89. He explained it all in greater detail than I ever could. It also has a link to a transcript of the question from the investor's meeting.
@Octane Its common sense Vs Funding!
@GreatPlayer I completely disagree, but there you go. I have a pretty large backlog of Wii U games to play, and none of them are Indies.
What Wii U lacked in quantity it certainly made up for in quality. Miiverse is great fun, and games like Mario Maker have endless potential. Personally Iv had a blast with my Wii U!
@toxibunny @brandon9271 That whole - Nvidia created Shield just so they could sell the chips to another company - is just so much utter rubbish. I've never heard of such a crazy thing in all of my life, and I'm old, have led a long life, and have always kept up with technology. If you want to show off tech you build a model and bring it to investors. Nvidia made a Shield handheld, then a Shield tablet, then a revised tablet softer the first one had issues, then a home console. And none of those devices where only sold out of their garage like the original Apple computers, all 3 of these were all available at retail. Nobody would go through all of that marketing, manufacturing, boxing, selling, just to sell a chip. That's utter lunacy to even make that arguement. And as I said, the only time ever I've ever seen that arguement made was in NLs previous article on the subject, which made no sense then either.
Nvidia is a huge well known company, they've been making graphics chips for years, many would argue they are the graphics chip company for the past 15 years since they launched the first "GPU" in 1999, the GeForce 256. They don't need to sell an entire line of devices just to promote a chip, all they need to do is show people a chip. When they build their own line of cars and start selling them to people to show off the X2, then we can talk.
@CB85 Yeah, although I could have sworn by Eurogamer's ideas that Nintendo would do so. Yet we were wrong in the end. Just adding 3D and games to a new console that was pretty much an enhanced DSi XL. Then, a "New" one came out with Amiibo support and better 3D quality.
Nintendo isn't really changing these days.
@HappyMaskedGuy Perhaps I am a very experienced gamer and thus I usually finish a game very quick.
I still kinda believe the NVIDIA rumors but will not expect or hope for anything until we get official word from the big N. If it is true I would hope they would stay ahead of the game by using the Tegra X2. Anyway, let's hope we hear something by way of announcement next month.
@rjejr Hey, it's not me saying that, people see that as a reason and in their minds, the Shield 2 being cancelled somehow computes to the tech being used inside the NX handheld.
Don't shoot the messenger. The wall of text I slapped down here in comment #89 should have told you enough about what I think...
Long story short: it's time for a reveal. Nintendo needs time to clearly illustrate what the NX is and does. Otherwise, we have another Wii U on our hands.
@ThanosReXXX for comment #89
You're probably one of the most articulate, level headed folks that I've seen on the subject. Maybe you should be writing NL articles, just sayin'
@Sir_JBizzle Thanks ever so much for the compliment. But I'll pass on making this a daytime job. This just happens to be a topic that I already invested a lot of time in and that also interests me, so I took the time to research and write all that down, also to perhaps give other people some perspective on the whole matter.
It can still go either way, but concrete information has to be coming out from Nvidia soon to make it more likely, otherwise it's as good as confirmed that at least the console part will be AMD.
@ThanosReXXX I wasn't trying to convince you of anything w/ my post, as I was asking you if the logic held, after all, as Bizzle said, you're the expert.
@rjejr Wouldn't call myself an expert, just someone that always aims to use logic and deductive reasoning, mostly to my benefit, both in personal and professional situations...
But as you'd expect, I agree with you that it makes no sense. I will say let's first wait and see what happens at that Hot Chips Conference on the 20th. And I have also read/heard that there's going to be some other meeting/event on the 22nd, so who knows what info we can glean from that...
With all that said........Who wants a drink, there is a Mexican Restaurant at then end of my street that has lots of booze.....or a bar around the corner with bikini clad waitresses if that is prefered. I'll buy 1st round
Uhh... except that this: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-revenues-hit-weakness-semi-130735686.html points out that AMD confirmed a winning bid for the Nintendo NX.
@Jayvir
First, check the article's date and second, they already debunked that rumour - it was merely speculation on part of Yahoo. Post #101 explains it quite well.
Does anyone think NX is going to be something completely different to what we're expecting? I do.
@Luna_110 True, the Yahoo article was debunked, but the other articles, which are from a later date and coincide with AMD's quarterly financials have not been debunked. And they can't be because they contain factual information. So it is actually funny that Yahoo Finance gambled on it to happen, made a speculative article on it, and almost two months down the line, they were actually proven right...
@GreatPlayer
Well, i agree if Wii U is the worst Nintendo console BUT i still play Wii U, evenmore i use my Wii U for mostly browsing Internet, playing Youtube and of course playing both my Wii U and Wii games. I still have my old Wii but i will consider my old Wii as Gamecube (I have never owned Gamecube, I'm kinda a Retro Gamer also). Well, sometimes there is a time i felt bored with my both Wii U and Wii games, but that's so natural as human being. I can play it again whenever i'm in the mood again. I'll never get bored if i LOVE the games that i bought. To be honest, i ever played Harvest Moon Tree of Tranquility Wii more than 4 times (Start again from beginning and try to married with someone else in different gender) and still not bored (Well, sometimes i felt boring also. No more new things to do).
Try to have fun with your Wii U. I'm sure you'll get your mood to play Wii U games again.
@Mainsaile
I think MOVE and KINECT are kind of Jealousy both Sony and Microsoft (They look at Wiimote uniqueness as a Booming trend at that time). Just look at both of them now. No more developers want to exploit a lot of kid-friendly games with that potential. Another Failure like Eye Toy before.
im crossing my fingers that nx will run on tegra x2 chip that be insane
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy
Thanks for the information about NX. I can't wait for September 2016. Let's keep praying for Nintendo...
@Lady_rosalina No Game No Life
@Anti-Matter To be fair, who's making still Wii remote supported games? Except for Ubi's Just Dance. Or Wii U games that actually use the GamePad for that matter
It's the market of gimmicks, they're interesting for a while, but the novelty wears off after a while.
Actually, with the upcoming PSVR, I'm definitely sure that there are more games in development for PS Move than there are games in development for the Wii U GamePad. So there's some food for thought as well.
@Octane
Hm... I'm quit from Sony. No more playing or buy their product. I don't care if they released VR with whatever their efforts. Simply, i have NO TRUST and LOVE with Sony anymore. I give my Love and Trust to Nintendo, keep supporting them no matter how hard the situation. I believe, NX will save the Nintendo from the crisis...
About Wiimotes games, i still found some Wii U games still can use Wii mote. Well, not so many. Even will be no more Wii U games that requires Wii mote to play, i still buy Wii U games (as long the title matching with my interest). Also, i can have my nostalgia by play my Wii games on Wii U. My Wii mote will still useful.
@Anti-Matter You can also still use the PS Move for games on PS4. I don't see the point. They're all gimmicks in the end and people will move on, so will the companies and developers.
@Octane
Fortunately, i don't have PS4 and NEVER want to buy PS4.
For some reason, i still like playing with 'Unusual' ways as long not too complicated or too overwhelming. Other people maybe can get boring quickly, but for me if the unusual play is still mesmerizing me, i will keep playing on them and will never stop until i declarate to stop (for being aging). Until today, i still like to play Para Para Paradise Arcade from Konami, one of Rhythm Arcade game that using Infra Red sensor from above to detect direction that you input (One of example game that use motion 'gimmick'). Kinda old machine but i still like to play. Surprisingly still never get bored even for some people they will choose to move on and enjoy another game. I still persistent no matter what. That's called a LOVE.
@BiasedSonyFan Depends on what the stakes are and if you can cover it up afterwards with some real results to make it look like there were never any problems in the first place...
But great job picking the least important part of my comment to be able to post your cynical mini-rant...
@BiasedSonyFan I never claimed they were virtuous. The point was mainly made to stress the importance of the information given in these meetings for shareholders and investors. At the very least, they must in part be able to rely on plans and strategies divulged in quarterly meetings to make their own plans accordingly.
That it isn't always as black & white like that in practice, is kind of an open door but I thought it wouldn't be necessary to add that to the already hefty wall of text I put down in that comment and since it wasn't the point either, I decided to leave that out, like I did several other things that could be applicable, but would only divert from what I was trying to convey.
I think the idea is pretty cool. Now it isn't steam level access but if they added Geforce Now compatibility you get an instant catalog of games on NX. If NX sells well enough the service may remain and expand.
@BiasedSonyFan Fair enough. As for what Nvidia's CEO has said so far, that is all in the video that I posted in comment #89 and there is an extended version of that speech to be found on YouTube or any tech site that covers Nvidia news, so listen to that and decide for yourself if you're curious.
And we will probably hear some more on Tegra X2 on the 20th or 22nd, the first date being the Hot Chips Conference where Nvidia is supposed to showcase the chipset/GPU and lay out a road map for implementations.
Then again: if Nintendo is actually going for Nvidia and is indeed crazy enough to go for the older Tegra X1, then all of the news coming out concerning the X2 will have no bearing on NX whatsoever...
@rjejr The large majority of Nvidia's revenue comes from selling chips. Sure, when a new video card comes out they'll make a reference design but after that 3rd parties take that and run with it. Nobody can say with certainty that no more Tegra powered mobile devices are coming. Tegra is used in many tablets and phones from Acer, Asus, Google, HTC, HP, SGP, Toshiba and many others. To assume that Tegra for mobile is dead when it's been used in so many devices just doesn't add up to me.
@brandon9271 "To assume that Tegra for mobile is dead when it's been used in so many devices just doesn't add up to me."
Well, I think you are agreeing with me, but Iv'e written about 10,000 posts in the last 10 days so I'm not even sure what I meant when I wrote that reply to you. I do think this point was clever though:
"They don't need to sell an entire line of devices just to promote a chip, all they need to do is show people a chip. When they build their own line of cars and start selling them to people to show off the X2, then we can talk."
ahem, on topic. I've written several posts th epast few days abou thow I see other companies gettinginto the handheld market. Not that I think anybody can compete w/ Nintnedo, but iOS and ANdroid devs are starting ot make game sthat work w/ bluetooth controllers, so it only makes sense somebody would build a dedicated portable handheld console to play those games. Somebody w/ deep pockets liek Google or Amazon. Google has tbalets and Chromecast - both a puck and a thumbdrive. Amzaon has Fire tablets and Fire Tv, also a puck and thumbdrive. I can eaisly imagine either of those 2 making something like the Shield handheld. Also, Microsfot makes a lot of bad choices - Zune, Nokia phone - now they are making Surface and $79 desinger Xbox 1 controllers. I could see them making a portable like Vita running Win 10 to play X1/PC games, or maybe just stream them.
Everybody keeps saying handhelds are dead b/c of tablets and smartphones, but I think they are just beginning as those games start to get button and stick controls built in, just need the tech to catch up to home consoles, which it has. I wouldn't run out to start my own company making handhelds, but Google and Amazon might.
@Gerbwmu Is that beer and bikini offer still open, I missed it 10 days ago?
OK, just replied to ask if you were Randy. I know that's kind of an out of the blue question but I came across a Randy email somewhere and for some reason thought it might be you. You might have given me a code for something, or it was Spaltoon related? I'm forgetful.
@rjejr - funny....all my college friends are over this weekend, we were just at the bikini bar and yes it is always an open invitation. Yes I'm Randy, the email was SteamWorld Heist for 3DS as I'm an ambassador for the game through a contest.....which equals free games for me, and free for you at least that one.....
@Gerbwmu OK thanks.
Oh, and as for the bikini bar, as all you kids say today "pics or it didn't happen".
@rjejr Out of sheer curiosity then. How do you explain some Devs who have early Development Kits, who have stated it contains the X1 chip, but is being cooled by 3 fans, which it most certainly does not need? The three fans would suggest that possibly, Nvidia`s new X2 chip could be used in the final build of the console.
@akaDv8R X1 chip is easy, it's a dev kit. Guess what, the same Eurogamer that reported the X1 chip in an NX hybrid also stated almost unequivocally that there would be an Nvidia chip in the 3DS. In case you didn t know, there isn't an Nvidia chip in the 3DS, it's from a company called DMP.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ds2-vs-psp2-article
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2009/10/nvidia_powered_ds_successor_coming_2010
"Graphic chip maker has apparently been awarded a contract to provide its mobile-centric system-on-a-chip, Tegra, to a new Nintendo DS, which will be announced in late 2010.
Insiders tell IT news outlet BSN that a single chip Tegra will supposedly power the new DS; the Tegra was developed for use in mobile devices like Microsoft's Zune HD as well as smartphones."
http://kotaku.com/5381257/nvidia-chip-to-power-new-nintendo-ds
http://vrworld.com/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds/
So basically, 6 years ago the entire internet swore up and down that the 3DS would have an Nviida chip, but it doesn't. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I'll believe it when I see it. And I'm not sure we will. X1 is underpowered, X2 Parker would probably be too expensive for a handheld. I'd say a special made-for-Nintneod 1.5 is a slight possibility.
As for the 3 fans, well Nintneod probably wants developers to push the hardware as hard and far as they can. It wouldn't help Nitneod if they had to keep replacing dev kits from overheating every other month. It's like how circus trapeze acts use nets for practice, no nets for the real thing. Dev kit is for practice, no need to have it crash and burn.
@rjejr That what you are talking about, was the gutter press, and so called "insider experts". This is FACT from Devs.
Also, why would they put three fans into EARLY Dev. kits, when they are totally not needed. If it is the X1 they go with, as they won`t be running behind Android, they can code-to-the-metal, to get another 30%or so power from the chip.
If, however, it IS the X2, then the fans would certainly make more sense. Also, the fact the X2 goes into FULL production next month (September), does add even more weight to the theory as to why Nintendo delayed launch until March 2017. They would not want to miss the 2016 Xmas rush, unless it was absolutely necessary.
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