Nintendo's Digital Event has been and gone, and to say the reaction has been somewhat mixed would be an understatement. While Star Fox Zero ticked all of the relevant boxes, other announcements didn't get the kind of response Nintendo was possibly looking for.
The reaction has been so strong that Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has been moved to post a reply on Twitter, reassuring fans that the company is always listening and will take all feedback on board for next year:
Do you think the Digital Event was really that bad? As ever, we'd love to hear what you think - post a comment and let us know.
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This is why I love Nintendo. They acknowledge their mistakes. They don't always fix them, but they at least acknowledge them
As opposed to not meeting anyone's expectations this year?
Good. Now Squeenix should apologize for teasing Chrono Trigger and not delivering.
Nice to see them listening. There were a lot of hype and high expectations for this event, but unfortunately they didn't deliver today.
If Iwata-san truly cared he would cut production now on that Metroid: Troll Bait Edition they showed us..... #PleaseUnderstand
@Inkling Don't be surprised. This is corporate code for "by the time it comes around next year, you'll have forgotten."
We all know Zelda will be there, but this should have been all about Metroid and Starfox and some new IPs.
@Expa0 Well at least they finally revealed KH3.
(Man i need a hug after this).. I so glad they apologized after this event, clearly this wasn't as planned.... Seriously, help a fellow toad out?
It definitely could've been MUCH better than what we got.
Too much padding on previously-announced titles, or ones not suited for the Digital Event, and not enough time spent on the new (riskier) ones; especially titles like Metroid Prime FF, which is still rubbing me the wrong way.
It's called chaos control. They don't care what we think. If they cared what we think, we wouldn't be discussing a bunch of spin off titles and a Star Fox game that for some reason has no online, when it looked like they had finally joined the 21st century with Splatoon and even new Zelda title.
They are putting resources at NX. And that's OK. Just admit it already.
What was with the bananas?
Ouch poor Nintendo. The event wasn't really that bad. I think people forget that they dole out info all year unlike other companies. So E3 is less "reveal everything!" than "long Direct". Well, I hope they keep the puppets!
Well, that's promising. Hopefully they deliver.
I was incredibly disappointed in it. The pacing was worse than 2014's, the ending was lacking, they spent too long on titles like Yoshi's Woolly World (Should have been a treehouse thing), and Metroid Prime Federation Force should have either just been called Federation Force or had a 'proper' Metroid or Prime game announced too.
No mention of Fatal Frame, no mention of Devil's Third, no mention of Rodea the Sky Soldier, which may have made the Wii U side feel less barren. And why leave mention of Platinum Games involvement in StarFox until after the Digital Event? Why is Animal Crossing on Wii U a party game?
Also, finish with a game.
@bezerker99 Most people who watched the Treehouse demo seem to agree it looks fun.
Q) Do you think the Digital Event was really that bad?
A) It wasn't the worst, but it was very lacking. Average at best. There was much too Mario in a singular Direct, and given how short Nintendo's Digital Event, that wasn't very good.
Furthermore, all the games they showed were from their core/bigger series. No Dillon's Rolling Western, or Punch-Out, or Panel De Pon, or Chibi-Robo; the latter of which had a new trailer after the direct that I really think should have been included in the Direct. Nintendo had some pretty good reveals from their mini-direct/Japan-direct and even after Digial Event videos (such as the new Fatal Frame trailer and Chibi-Robo) that would have really improved Nintendo's Digital Event if they had been included in it.
On the positive side of things, I liked the muppet idea, particularly in how it relates to Star Fox.
The digital event was FILTHY
Next year........Right well that's my money not going into there pockets bar Mario Maker.
Animal Crossing such a missed opportunity and Metroid I cant discuss at this point Sigh also I thought we would hear about the new Nintendo Network ID update and club Nintendo replacement???
We had the right to get mad. I feel bad too, but it's necessary to point out their flaws so they may fix them. I like how Nintendo realizes their mistakes, that's why I'm still an enthusiast.
This actually makes me rather sad. They shouldn't have to apologise in anyway, they just didn't meet many people's expectations, mine included. But there were positives and it's all coming out soon.
@DarthNocturnal
Their E3 Hype video had Chrono Trigger music playing in the background for no reason and promised a jaw dropping announcement to a beloved classic.
I realise now, that the announcement was the FF7 remake. But I was really thinking they would FINALLY do something with Chrono Trigger.
Free eshop Wii U game for all us who kept the faith will do for an apology!
It was a huge letdown.
Where to begin...? I think what annoyed me was the fact that Nintendo's conference was only half as long as the conferences Microsoft and Sony made. But despite this, Nintendo used the time they had to fill it in with long talks with developers. Last year's E3 already had a huge blurb about Yoshi and it was really tedious to hear about it again.
I wasn't expecting to see a plethora of new IPs or games, but what annoys me with these conferences is when games make reappearances at consecutive E3s and they are focused on more than the new titles. For example, the New Mario and Luigi game had minimal screen time whereas Woolly World and Super Mario Maker had absurdly long segments. They should have spent more time on the new stuff- I forgot about the new Metroid game because of how briefly it was shown.
It just annoys me to think that the Smash Direct and the announcement of Earthbound Beginnings still has me far more excited than just about everything they announced. I will be awaiting another regular Nintendo Direct this fall.
With all their years in the games industry, they really could have ( and should have) done better. They know people want Metroid, they know people want Animal Crossing and yet they give us half baked versions of those games and expect consumers to be happy with that? At least one BIG surprise would've been nice. E3 is not over yet, but I'm not holding my breath for any surprises.
Apologizing doesn't get me a real Metroid Nintendo!!! Jk, jk! But seriously, its nice that they're at least acknowledging that they messed up.
This felt like a real filler E3. Mario Maker/X/Yoshi got release dates - - but they were shown off at E3 a year ago. Star Fox looks fun, but we knew it would be there coming in. Animal "Amiibo Party" Crossing was a huge tease and letdown, and though the 3DS Metroid would be pretty cool alongside a core Metroid game, that core game never appeared. The 3DS Zelda game was a nice little surprise since at least we know Zelda U is in the oven but nothing more than that.
After this E3 they have left me feeling like nothing of importance is in the works for Wii U, which tells me they are just waiting it out to announce a new system & games for it in a year. This was their chance to give us faith in the system like they did at least year's E3 - but they failed to do that. So even though Miyamoto said Zelda is still coming to the U, it feels like a hollow promise. Like when they told us last December it was coming in 2015.
It wasn't like what they showed was bad, it's just that it didn't have the caliber of an E3 showing. This is more on par with a January Direct.
@ajr12388 I sincerely doubt a company would be foolish enough to think that their fans would forget such a significant failure in a matter of a year. People tend to remember the bad stuff just as much, if not more, as they do the good stuff,
All right, now you better be working on Animal Crossing Wii U. THAT would be an apology and then I would forgive you for this mess.
Make a sequel direct this time focusing on new games and not drag on one game
@Captain_Toad HUG!!
I'm disappointed too...really hoped for more. Animal crossing U that linked to 3DS would have been great. Mario maker looks good tho but meh to the rest
@Tender_Cutlet I know!! Was expecting donkey Kong 😞
Ok so where should I direct my feedback because I really would like the following:
I suspect that the new games shown haven't been in development too long, or have taken away any man power. Nintendo can't just magic big games out of no where, but this does suggest they stopped actively green lighting projects a couple of years ago. What we've go is stop gap games. We were lacking that Splatoon, or Cpt Toad, or even Kirby moment this year.
Also, where were was the new 3DS exclusive(s)? A lot of people will be very angry if they only get one game which cost £200 quid to play.
Only problem I had was that they talked to much about games that we already knew about. I'm an artist myself and I enjoyed the segments of the making of woolly world and Mario Maker BUT as a gamer I was very disatisfied. This is the type of stuff you show in an article like Iwata Asks not in a conference (E3 to top it off). Mario is sad this year and I was also expecting a Mario Collection for Wii U with up to Sunshine. Nothing of what I was expecting was shown but at leadt Mario Tennis and Paper Jam eased out the pain a little bit.
They are so out of touch with what the public wants it's scary. Looks like Splatoon may be the last Nintendo game I buy for a very long time.
Thank you for acknowledging Mr. Iwata but I still need another game announcement or shown. I mean where in the hell is Devil's Third!?
They dont care lol its just damage control. They knew it wouldn't be enough! they are putting all resources in iOS games and the NX. Its super obvious!!
@shinokami omg now I know what it felt like! like an Iwata asks but boring.
Please understand...
Wow they acknowledge their mistakes, that's something you don't see everyday. And i can imagine Iwata reading reading all these comments but it's still their fault.
Animal crossing game looks ok...but too similar to Mario party 10...but without that games brilliant mini games. Underwhelmed but still love em!
Disappointment sums it up for most people I think. It wasn't really bad. A lot of what they showed look good, some of it really good (Xenoblade <3), but most of it was stuff we'd seen before. The actual new announcements looked like quite shallow games with short development cycles, that will probably be fun, but not big games that will make you say 'wow'.
The worst part of it all for me was the message it gave regarding the Wii U. One new game announced, and it was a sports game. It just gives you the impression they're pretty much done with the console. The stuff Reggie said at the start about them branching out into new markets didn't help.
The reactions may be harsh but they're needed.
I do love the Mario Tennis series tho..so will look forward to that. Especially as Toad is playable! I hope he still runs the shop too hehe
Hopefully this gets them back onto the right track. Maybe next year!
Wow! THanks for listening! It's really important to me that they realize how bad it was. It broke my hear, and I'm not kidding.
Well thanks again for listening, still love you Nintendo.
@Ryu_Niiyama Nintendo Muppets were the highlight! But I also liked seeing Star Fox finally and getting a Xenoblade release date. The rest was filler to me.
And I want that Mario Maker artbook!
Thx for the apology, but unless you have a better show in the next week it won't matter.
Yes. It was that bad. Not only did they fail to announce any new meaningful WiiU games, they gave us a big middle finger when it came to Metroid and Animal Crossing. It's clear how badly people want a new Metroid. But what they gave us is not a real Metroid game. It doesnt even have Samus. I mean, what if New Super Mario U didnt star Mario, but instead starred four different colored Toads? That'd be really lame, right? Thats what this new Metroid is.
And they spent forever on games we've seen dozens of times now. Mario Maker, Yoshi, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Yokai Watch... We already know about that stuff. A quick mashup trailer wouldve served that purpose but they used the entire middle 30min to do that.
Star Fox and Triforce Heroes were cool. I wouldve rather had a real Paper Mario but Paper Jam will have to do. Everything else was either boring or already shown off last year.
So, Iwata, please never do that crap again. Go back and look at the 2014 version. See what you did there? Lots of new games, and games in series done the way people want them, new IPs? Do that every year. Last year had Splatoon, Mario Maker, Zelda U, Star Fox, Codename STEAM... This year had Mario Tennis, a fake Metroid game, and Animal Crossing the board game.
This E3 definitely seemed like a holding pattern. Unfortunately, many people were still riding high off the last direct and went into this one with elevated expectations.
Not a good mix.
I think once people get over this disappointment they'll find that several of the games actually looked pretty fun. Nintendo had better make sure it releases some heavy hitters next year, though.
@Tender_Cutlet It is a meme that started with DKTF. People say Nintendo is "behind" but I don't think I've seen a company that keeps a finger on internet reactions and memes more than them. Although Reggie can stop working out now...he lost.
@cbkummer
Apologising for a trainwreck doesn't do much when that's all you do.
The right info wasn't in there. Too many games getting trailers after the event was over and not during.
This year for Wii U there is Fatal Frame, Star Fox, X, Devil's third, Mario Maker, Yarn Yoshi, Mario Tennis and in a little bit the art app. That's what we know of and just between Mario Maker and X I am looking at hundreds of hours.
But I guess Nintendo doomed.
these games will be decent but was not the right time to announce them
E3 is all about hitting hard, not getting the job done
Really good gesture on their part, thanks Nintendo. In the end, I think the whole presentation was suggesting that they're mainly focusing on their "next big thing" and for now we simply won't have any huge blockbusters. I definitely believe they don't deserve the rage they got, but it was a lackluster showing to say the least.
The hype train has crashed, sadly but... we will always be by your side nintendo!!
@whodatninja Yeah watching Iwata accidentally "direct" Reggie to the floor had me in tears (happy ones since everyone on this site seems to be running for ledges and windows). I like hearing how my games are made and learning more about the people that pour their lives into shaping those of others. So the yoshi and mario (especially the mario blueprints) segments were just great to see.
Honestly I'm not sure it could have been better. If you don't have anything substantial or new to show off a presentation can't be better or worse. They are stuck in between a rock and a hard place.
If we hadn't of gotten Metroid we would have complained. We got a "Metroid" and we were still mad. So either way they were screwed with what they had.
I guess they didn't listen to their fans before so what makes you think they are listening to them now?
Honestly I'm not sure it could have been better. If you don't have anything substantial or new to show off a presentation can't be better or worse. They are stuck in between a rock and a hard place.
If we hadn't of gotten Metroid we would have complained. We got a "Metroid" and we were still mad. So either way they were screwed with what they had.
I guess they didn't listen to their fans before so what makes you think they are listening to them now?
This is like football, you can't always win, look at sony's 2014 press conference. I think that ninty is preparing for the future, it is a transicion moment or a transformation one, like Reggie said.
IT was quite bad. I have watched every E3 and this is one of the worst conferences. It wasn't the slowness of the presentation as much as every game announced was Either a mini-game style game: tennis, animal party, etc; or we already knew about it. Starfox looks promising but they really skimped on the graphics a lot. When you look at MArio 3d World and Zelda then you look at Star Fox there is no comparison. Finally They ignored all fans asking for Metroid and F-zero and they ignored all the good looking 3rd party games coming this year...
The problem I had with it was that 75% of it was things we already knew about. There weren't any surprises and it was over before we knew it. They should focus on new things in these. The supposed to be "big" surprise was shown last year. I hope nintendo releases a new direct every few months. That would offset this being a kind of mellow direct.
Yes, it was REALLY that bad.
It seems to me some are missing the point on what E3 is about to most people. Are Xenoblade, Yoshi, and Mario Maker great games for Wii U this year? Absolutely! What about Fire Emblem, both Fates and the MegaTen crossover? You bet!
The thing is: we need announcements. We need things out of the blue to start conversations, to capture the imagination of fans. Last year was a perfect example: they had interesting games announced for the first time (Kirby, Captain Toad), and ended things with a blockbuster new IP no one saw coming (Splatoon). It truly isn't that hard. I'm positively sure Nintendo has new, unannounced titles that are more exciting than what they showed, for both platforms. The Metroid and Zelda titles they unveiled feel like half-assed excuses, made to try and cool the waters - failing miserably at that. Then Wii U got a Mario Party-esque Animal Crossing and Mario Tennis as its two big unveilings, for crying out loud.
I refuse to believe they didn't know this would be the reaction. Iwata likely had this tweet at the ready even before the damn Direct Event started.
@bezerker99 Heck no, I want that game, it looks genuinely fun! They had better not cancel it just because people are butthurt that it isn't a Metroid game! D:
Apologizing for your E3 presentation is definitely a good look.
"Do you think the Digital Event was really that bad?"
They announced only 2 new Wii U games, neither of which was a major title, and one of which (Animal Crossing Party) was a huge disappointment. The 3DS support was much better, but simultaneously disappointing, because the games it got were generally wanted on the Wii U. Yes, it was pretty bad.
Nintendo did show some genuinely awesome games, but they were all games we knew about a long time ago.
What I don't understand is why they left out indies altogether, especially after releasing the 9 E3 indie demos. They didn't mention the eshop or the Virtual Console at all. They also left out Project Treasure, Fatal Frame, Chibi Robo, and Mystery Dungeon, as well as the handful of 3rd party games the Wii U's getting, like the LEGO games, Just Dance, Disney Infinity, and Rodea. They even left out Bravely Second. There was also no mention of any New 3DS exclusives, or new special editions. The Direct could have been a lot better. In fact, it's so glaringly lacking that I think/hope there will be more coming as the live coverage continues.
Wow! 11,511 dislikes for Metroid Prime Federation Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGu3Xe1uUUg
It was awful, and the Metroid game was just a big slap in the face to all hardcore fans. It just seems like Nintendo has given up.
I thought it was a decent showing. The muppet opening was great. Not the best e3 but a good one.
YES it was that bad.
They must have known they had bugger all prior to the event surely!?
Time he fell on his sword and they brought someone in to turn things around.
If you have next to no third party support you cant afford to F around with your fans or your franchises. what the hell do they think people buy Nintendo consoles for?
Either an F-Zero or Wave Race HD re-make would have been received better than Tennis!
Or some visual proof of continued support for MarioKart... They must have some artists working in new tracks? why not show some early ideas and have us vote which ones get made? ... We didn't need to see more Wool, or MarioMaker or minutes and minutes of filler!!
It's like they don't have a clue sometimes.... But then just when you think they're done, they go and surprise you.... ???
It was horrible, it felt like Nintendo gave up on the Wii U but at least the puppets were a lot of fun.
Maybe it was too much to expect after the awesome presentation they had last year....but it was very underwhelming this year.
Nothing came close to hitting the mark for me. (I'm not a Star Fox fan, if I was I'm sure I'd have been excited about it)
The thing that really ticks me off is we STILL don't know what Retro is working on. I mean damn Sony and Microsoft showed trailers of games they had no gameplay for so how hard is it to do that? Oh and "Metroid Prime" Federation Force also ticked me off and can't believe that's what Next Level Games is making.
doesn't it make more sense to listen to gamers on a worldwide platform. I know there will be a lot of people at E3 but I think you would get a better feel for what's happening with players worldwide by running surveys. I think that would show you were listening more so than just a gaming show. it is a good show though I attended about 10 years ago and would love to go back. so much fun
... And I'd hardly say Starfox ticked all the relevant boxes? Who are you trying to kid?
Shoddy graphics, slow gameplay, motion controls every other fan secretly hopes they don't have to use...
... No online multiplayer!?
All they need is a stock shortage and yea all boxes ticked ;P
Iwata, stop green lighting half baked mobile style games like this shows 3DS titles. Treat your IP with respect.
It's especially bad that the only good looking games during their presentation were games announced at LAST YEARS E3 lol. (starfox excluded)
They hit a home run last year and then went on to strike out this year.
Good, at least they are aware.
Don't bother Iwata, Nintendo fans don't ever seem satisfied with anything anymore...
@hYdeks e3 2015 satisfied you as a Nintendo fan? More videos of delayed 2014 e3 titles and a lot of half baked mobile style games? Pa-lease.
As a fan for 25 years, and a shareholder, I'm pretty damn sure I will not be buying any of their upcoming consoles until at least ten million or so other people have done so.
I mean, you buy Nintendo consoles for the amazing exclusives, and by everything I saw today in the biggest conference of the year, they have nothing planned in that department. Not a damn thing for Wii U, that's for sure. People here talking about E3 being "just another Direct" are wrong. Watch the last two to see for yourself. This is where you make big announcements. Not where you re-announce big announcements from last year.
I'm aware that I'm being a drama queen, but really, I'm done with these morons. I'll probably buy a PS4 (my first non-Nintendo console) before an NX, and won't switch until I run out of games. And unlike Nintendo consoles, I bet I don't run out games.
Seriously, what a middle finger.
The Digital Event got me to the point that i will not buy any more Nintendo consoles unless there is a Mario Kart or Splatoon out for that system. Those are the two franchises i really want to play. I am pretty much done with the rest of Nintendo.
This might of course chnage of the next few months but this is my current state of mind.
@Brett Especially since they skip out on TGS. This is their biggest stage of the year and they didn't deliver. If people think the other directs come close to this viewership they are kidding themselves. Maybe Nintendo is thinking that some announcements will get lost in the deluge of game announcements, but they need to realize that this is the time when their most ardent supporters and people that might be willing to buy multiple consoles are watching. They need to have something big every year saved just for this show. The way they ended it was sub-optimal to say the least. I just think they seem to forget what the audience is for this event.
What about the news for the new club nintendo?
@Shy_Guy Who would want to be in a "club nintendo" today? I mean, really? Talk about stupid Animal Crossing board games? Getting discounts on Metroid Soccer? What's the point?
@Shy_Guy It was smart to leave that out. Waste of time when they can just press release it and send people spot pass or whatever. Though they do need to announce it soon.
(Copy pasting with a bit fixing from my Miiverse post of mine. Sorry if the context or the layout look a bit weird ;^^).
I think the Nintendo Digital Event wasn't amazing, but I think we have to remember something important. Just 16/15 days ago Nintendo showed off a lot of Wii U games and I think this direct suffered from too much focus on developers and unnecessary details ;^^. (Still the Muppet part were a high point for me ^^).
I mean we know the true Art Academy for Wii U, Project Treasure, Devil's Third, upcoming Splatoon DLC and collaborations, Fatal Frame and other Wii U games that are coming, but wasn't mentioned in the Digital Event, maybe some strange decisions I guess ;^^.
(Why didn't Nintendo say anything about some of these during the Nintendo Direct? o.O).
I think the Digital Event had too many spin-offs compared to what we expected them to announce and it became a bit too much ;^^. Details such as the Skylanders collaboration was maybe stretched too much out for what was needed ;^^.
If Nintendo showed Project Treasure and Devil's Third I think the Digital Event would have been better ;^^, or at least balanced a bit more.
As I am a RPGer and a Zelda fan, I have a fair amount of games I am looking forward to.
Such as The Legend of Zelda: Trifore Heroes, Hyrule Warriors Legend, SMTxFE, Youkai Watch and Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. (Why not a proper Paper Mario game? ;^^).
Not too bad presentation , but still could have been a better presentation overall in my opinion ;^^.
Yo Nintendo! That thing that was called Metroid wasn't really what most Metroid fans want from that series. Otherwise good.
Only two new Wii U games. An Animal Crossing Party game (heck, Mario Party 10 wasn't even mentioned in the Digital Event last year!) and Mario Tennis. This is a joke. Neither of these two games are even E3 material.
Had they held onto what they let out just before E3, and kept it all for the main presentation, it wouldn't have seemed so bad. Instead, apart from Starfox, presenting a spin-off Animal Crossing board game and another Mario Tennis installment (despite the fact that it should have been simply another event in the Olympics game) was just plain embarrassing and there's really no other argument. The lack of a Retro game was also quite telling: to me it's obvious that whatever they might have had to show off has all been re-focused as 'NX' software (which is quite right). It's just really shocking that we got leaks of stuff before that made us think "well if we're being shown this now, what must they have for E3?" and then what they do have for Wii U, apart from Starfox and Mario Maker (which they really shouldn't hype up as a major title, it's an accessory/add-on item), was absolute drivel.
At least they acknowledged that they goofed up. Hopefully they do better next year.
@XCWarrior
I actually have to disagree there. I think if they didn't listen we wouldn't have a Star Fox game in the first place. Neither do I think we would have had so many new IP's lately.
StarFox is just not the type of game that's for online. Games that are made to be played online (Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, Smash) do have online.
Ok, so, I think it was a crap presentation. There was a lot of letdown and no major announcements that caused waves. Thankfully, the reason they had little to announce was because they announced so much last year, and many of those games are on the way shortly. We have a lot of great games releasing in the next 6 months, and I'm grateful for that.
Unfortunately, despite Wii U actually having a slamming fall lineup, I can't help but feel disappointed that we didn't see a proper Metroid revealed, on either system. With that being said I am not going to hold a grudge against the Metroid they did show. People did that with DKC and crapped all over the game simply because it wasn't the one on their imaginary wish list. I'm not going to be sour over the games I wanted and didn't get. I'm going to be thankful for the games that are being given to me. Because honestly, I bet that Meteoid game is a lot of fun. It's got a top tier studio behind it and I think it's going to be a really fun game.
@Ryu_Niiyama lol. I'll give Nintendo props for having the funniest e3 conference! (not saying much but still)
And I love behind the scenes stuff like they showed in the Digital Event, the history and inner workings of Nintendo is fascinating, BUT I just don't think most people feel the same way.
The problem is that fixing the digital even would require actually making the games we want, which is clearly not something they're willing to do.
The perfect way to fix this? Release a Digital Event 2 at the end of the week.
Please?
@JaxonH Star Fox is perfect for online. You can have the dogfights that were in the 64 version, but you could also have a cooperative mode that actually utilizes all 4 airwings. That could be in the story mode or it could be in some battle arenas or courses specifically design for this mode. That would add some longevity to the game. Think Warhawk for PS3. Of course, that would require voice chat, so it would be a waste with Nintendo.
@bezerker99 Its probably too far into development to do that.
The real problem was this was the first Metroid in 6 years and its a spin off title. Had it been announced with a new main entry game, fine, but don't expect us to settle with just that. Still, my hopes of a Metroid Prime 4 as an NX launch title are becoming closer to truth....
@Barely_Able
A lot of games would work with online but that's just not how the game is developed. Star Fox COULD work with online, but that's not the experience they're going for. They're going for the single player experience.
Even so I totally disagree that it would be pointless just because there's no voice chat. MH4U and Splatoon, two of the best and funniest online games I've ever played in my life and neither of them have voice chat. Goes to show that voice chat has very little impact on actual fun if the game is a fun game. I mean sure it's nice and all but, it's just an extra feature to talk while you play.
If we're really lucky, then this negativity might act as a wake-up slap for Nintendo. They really could do with them upping their game now, but I've got a feeling that Nintendo will just coast along until it's NX time.
The games are probably going to be good. But we wanted new games for each franchise not spinoffs.
I feel like we hear this line all of the time. You really need to start putting your money where your mouth is, Nintendo.
Was it that bad? Very little excited me about this year's E3. Even Star Fox had me feel wishywashy. I'm mainly just bummed about the soundtrack (which they can fix). It sounds sooooo generic/superheroesque. I really could care less for it and hope they go back to that SNES N64 feel.
You know what? I don't feel that bad now. Sure it wasn't great, and sure it wasn't exactly what we wanted, but I'm over it now. Now that I'm not seething with rage, Metroid federation whatever actually looks pretty fun!
Please undastand!!
It wasn't bad and it's honorable of them to bring on presenters who worked very hard on upcoming games, allowing them to share their passion with fans who love to hear about development, but most of it didn't get me fired up or catch my attention. I do respect nintendo's efforts and their relationships with devs. I really just wish there could have been more excitement. Mario & Luigi Paper Jam was THE highlight for me and Star Fox looked pretty neat too (unfortunately the fidelity is low due to the gamepad functionality), but other than that the rest of 2015 feels too dry. Here's to hoping it's not all that bad.
They should have taken the money they spent on the muppets and used it to develop a proper Metroid game for Wii U!
@hYdeks If you are a Nintendo fan, what is there to be satisfied about? The fact that the Wii U is dead last in sales? Or how about all the great third-party games that are going to other platforms while skipping the Wii U? What about the fact that Nintendo now seems so out of touch, they put together a direct like this?
I love Nintendo's games and their hardware, but this is just sad. Their back is against the wall, countless people think Nintendo is a has-been whose days making hardware are numbered. Simply put, the press is more concerned with what Sony and Microsoft is doing then what Nintendo is doing.
Nintendo is losing third-party support right and left, and their hardware is showing all-time lows compared to previous generations.
So, how does Nintendo respond to this? Do they come out with guns blazing and show us some must have games? No, they fumbled the ball in the endzone.
This was their chance to quiet down critics and they blew it. Its not a matter of being happy with Nintendo. Its a matter of Nintendo putting up the worst show possible. If Microsoft or Sony had done this, they would have been booed off the stage.
It was crap, but considering it's the current Nintendo I know I shouldn't be surprised.
The issue is there was no wow factor. I thought the puppet presentation was great, but little else was really that awe inspiring except for the game I already saw a preview too (Xenoblade Chronicles X). I think Starfox will be alot of fun, and I wasn't as off put by the graphics as others once I got to see them on a bigger screen. I also like the idea of using elements from the past games and also the second game that was never released. However, this seems like more of a eshop game and not a brand new Starfox game. Granted once I saw the whole presentation I did like the use of the game pad involvement in the game, and the enemy look cool. However, after seeing the graphics of Xenoblade Chronicles X, it makes you wonder why they didn't shoot for a better presentation for the game. Well I can say Xeonoblade and Starfox will probably be the only two games I pick up from this offering. Which allows me to spend money on other stuff I want, lol. Lastly, stop being so amiibo crazy, it just comes off as greedy. I could see using them for a set of games, but for everything is ridiculous.
I forgot to add I'm sorry for Animal Crossing and Metroid fans. I mean, wow, talk about totally missing the target market. The titles released here at e3 would be ok if there was already a full blown Metroid game and Animal crossing game for the Wii U system, but not as the meat and potatoes of the event.
We get tiny E3s all year called Nintendo directs. I've been pretty appalled at the fans today to be honest. It's not like we have a shortage of great games to play. All of the emphasis can't be on one single day. The "Nintendo is dead" and "I'm selling my Wii u for a ps4" talk is hilarious. Who needs enemies when you have fans like that? I don't think Nintendo is perfect and this wasn't our best E3, but good lord the amount of trash talk today has been ludicrous. 'Spoiled' is the only word that comes to mind. If Nintendo making some decisions that don't have you hyped through the ceiling really leaves you this angry then maybe you should aquire some additional hobbies to divert your attention to. I'm pumped for starfox, yoshi, Mario maker, Devils third and xenoblade not to mention awesome indies I'm looking forward to and my backlog that I need to complete.
My memory is horrible but I'm pretty sure Iwata has used this line before about working harder to listen to fans. Either way it kinda rings hollow at this point.
Maybe this wasn't the worst show ever but it feels particularly frustrating because they've already announced the next console, so Wii U owners feel burnt.
What is NX? Any guesses?
@VeeFlamesNL
That's be cool an emergency direct just to end e3 with a bang
The biggest problem is that there are plenty of bigger games to show besides animal party and animal real estate. I'm certain Devils third could be this year's bayonetta
They should move some announcement around, I think they were too focused on core franchise (or spin-off of the core) on the Digital Events, that some obscure title didn't get any spotlight or was moved out of the way to the micro direct before E3. For instance, Chibi Robo and Bravely Second would please fans if announced on the Digital Event, while Metroid Prime FF and Animal Crossing spin-off can be on micro direct as a surprise announcement. Some trailers after the event, like Fatal Frame and FAST Racing Neo, should also be included in the Digital Events instead. Also the awkward exchange between Reggie and Skylanders guy is also... meh.
But, well, I can understand why they want to highlight their core franchise title, though it feels like a slap in the face to the fan base as they announce a spin-off instead of full blown game fans has asked for years. Also, Zelda U delay is also possibly what screwed Nintendo E3 plan. Not to mention leaks... they need to do better to manage that. And last thing, this year E3 might be the last year Wii U get a spotlight, as NX will steal the show next year, so it's a shame if it's ended that way. Zelda U is probably the only megaton Nintendo had for Wii U next year E3.
Okay, rant over. I still have a lot of game to look forward to. Maybe Iwata will listen to us and next year will be better.
@XCWarrior 100% agree.
Apart from the sheer insult to Metroid fans, it wasn't really that bad of an E3? Mostly it just left me thinking, "That's it? They gave us one big game and a ton of spinoffs." I mean, Mario and Luigi x Paper Mario was the only one that I really have no objections to, and even it wasn't quite what we were looking for, you know? I would have still rather seen TYD 2.0...
@Ak_Dub
I thought you were offended by quotation marks
@Ak_Dub I'll have to agree on of some your points, but not all of them.
It was definitely underwhelming, and had a lot of false positives. I jumped out of my chair 3 times at least, thinking an announcement was one thing only to see it turn into some stupid spinoff. HD Animal Crossing into a mario party spinoff, Metroid Prime into what looks like shovelware to be honest, and the Zelda coop game that I thought was a Link Between Worlds x Mario Maker type of thing (Zelda Maker, if you will. Fat chance of that happening, but it was a personal hope for me and the lead in with Mario morphing into Link mislead me )
Think about how uneventful this direct would have been without Starfox gameplay. It'd be a massive disappointment for an E3 stream. Hope they figure out that people don't get excited for mediocre games with popular IP's plastered onto them.
@NorthLightSuplx Not in general. I just don't like the idea of them being used & directed towards specific people in a way that distracts from the point they were trying make & just used as a jab at vocabulary. I promise I'm not here to make enemies with you.
Nintendo needs to shake their own company tree and cut ties with their old ways and make really good business decisions that involves meeting customer demands and expectations. I truly can't believe a company with the most loyal customers-yes-the MOST loyal customers, wouldn't take the simple, reasonable, and down to earth wishes their amazingly loyal customers offer. They don't need us to respond to a Twitter feed. All the research they need on how to deliver what their fans want is easily found at the bottom of many,many articles about their company on websites just like this one. I read so many comments from so many loyal fans, I could have a 2 minute conversation with anyone from Nintendo and tell them what their fans want. This is one of the only companies I've seen where their customers can't wait to purchase their products
@ericwithcheese2 they met all of mine.
Earth bound, smash DLC, ect...
@Ak_Dub
Fair enough I was just quoting your comments. All is good.
Any momentum the Wii U gained and positive vibes around Nintendo from the success of Splatoon has now gone out the window.As others have said,this can in no way be compared to a Direct,the audience for this is massive and other than the blindly devoted who defend anything and everything they do,this has caused nothing but bad feeling towards Nintendo and the word will spread.
I'm still disappointed and salty, but I can't imagine how bad Iwata, Miyamoto, Reggie, all those guys feel right now. I feel sorry for them, but it was important that they get that this isn't what we wanted.
Lol this sucked hahaha!
to answer Nintendo's life question, yes, it was that bad
All's forgiven, Iwata-san, but I thought the presentation was okay, in my opinion.
It seems Nintendo have given up on making aaa games for the wii u and are just padding out the scheduled with mini games. Zelda will 100% be a wii u and NX release and hopefully they have big plans for the NX.
More lip-service from Nintendo and Iwata. I've lost count of all the recent hollow apologies. I mean, the Amiibo-focused apologies alone range into the dozens, with no attempt to improve that dreadful situation.
They simply do what they want, when they want and how they want.
Don't expect anything different from them. You'll be sadly (and consistently) disappointed.
"Please, understand"...
I'm sorry Iwata, but yes, it really was "that" bad...
While I really enjoyed the muppets, the presentation had so much filler it was ridiculous and even then it only stretched to 50 or so minutes. That's an indication in itself the company lacked content. No wonder Iwata didn't bother showing up this year, he knew it was going to be poor...
I mean interviews with Shigsy and the Yoshi textile person were fine and interesting and welcome even, but only if the rest of the show impresses. It felt they were added as there was a lack of content elsewhere...
Ultimately, I really think Nintendo were massively underprepared for developing for a HD console and is why there are still few games and why we have had so many droughts.
A terrible E3. I hope they have some surprise announcements left over the next few days to make amends.
I was really only dissapointed by the lack of a Sunshine sequel or remake...
Echoing what others have said:
I liked the way it was presented, but I'm new to Nintendo consoles with WiiU and I don't own a 3DS, so there was nothing of interest. Sorry, but Star Fox just looks meh compared to Elite Dangerous, which my flatmate has been raving about recently.
As an indie dev making games for WiiU, was a sad day. There wasn't even an indie sizzle reel. All the signs are that Nintendo have given up on WiiU.
@Ak_Dub I've been spoiled by PC gaming for sure.
@Caryslan Fumbled the ball in the end zone... Just like the Seahawks in this years SuperBowl. Pass it right to the other team at the 2 yard line.
@Brett I understand what you mean about the 10 millions others.if nintendo aren't going to give us big games when were the ones sticking by them when no one else is it'd be pretty sickening to me if prime Iv ,f zero,next main 3d mario etc are all just kept for the nx to try n lure in new customers ,sure it's a business but geez loyalty could at least go both ways a little bit.
@Boxmonkey and if that doesn't fly off the shelves will the fans just have to accept the droughts and spin offs again?.if you can't please your core audience your in trouble and right now the nx seems like far too risky an investment based on the lack of big games the wii u has had.
The event was prepared alongside with an apology bucket to deliver. There's no need to feel sad for them (although I partially do), they knew what was coming.
My take on this is just that Nintendo can't hold up to its competitors in the market without a strong support from 2nd/3rd party developers, even multi-Platform. They are literally doing what they can in filling up the schedule, but they need to expand their SHs and offer better platform support to different developers. Hopefully the NX will change that.
Iwata is so proud that I can't barely believe he said that.
That Federation Force game doesn't look half bad gameplay wise. Maybe if it was a new IP people wouldn't be complaining about it.
@Benny3999 I hope they feel like crap. The worse they feel from this feedback the harder I hope they work in the future. They need to feel how angry the fans are.
@ericwithcheese2
How about... every angry Nintendo fan sending a photo of their angry face to Nintendo?
@Captain_Toad its okay its all over, in 1 year everything will be good again, everyone will love nintendo with their newly announced REAL metroid prime game, and zelda Wii U, and a 2D metroid game aswell JOKING ITS ALL OVER
@Expa0 where's the video for Square teasing chrono trigger? I can't find it
Wow, I was half joking when I mentioned the petition idea......had no clue there are people on the internet who want to make it actually happen.
There's no way on God's Green Earth I would ever sign a petition to have this game's production cancelled.
I could've used more humor with the puppet bits than what we got.
Actually I would rather Nintendo DIDN'T listen to responses at conference chatter since that crap directly led to 3DS launching overpriced and Wii U pad being made too heavy.
I would really have liked to have heard more about whether we'll be seeing any more Virtual Console releases in the near future - or what sort of form the new Club Nintendo will take - or upcoming eshop titles....
It wasn't just that what they showed was underwhelming - it was also how little we saw regarding stuff that should be more important to the company.
The day I hear that Nintendo are going to move towards a proper unified account system with transferable eshop classics I will be very happy. It makes me nervous owning a digital library of titles and worrying that they won't be carried over to a new system. Especially when other companies are noting backwards compatibility and encouraging cross-play (hi Microsoft and Sony).
I'm sure it's harder than I think to make a significant proportion of their back-catalogue available (I play on 3DS mostly) but would be really nice to get beyond NES and Gameboy titles after all these years.
I also think they would be able to be more competitive with their prices. I would really like to pick up a few of their titles like Paper Mario 3DS and Mario Tennis etc, but the price is just ludicrous... Still. Even with this E3 wave of discounts its way over what you'd find in retail somewhere else.
I want to throw my money at Nintendo (within reason) but they just don't seem that interested.
@JamesCoote They just released previews of 9 indie games coming to the Wii U two days ago.
This is the kind of thing Nintendo should have had built directly into the Wii U from day one, for free, imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3DWMXkI7g
Imagine being able to use the Wii U GamePad for something like that, out-the-box, and be able to share all your creations with millions of other Wii U users and even online in various ways...It's like Art Academy: Atelier, crossed with Super Mario Maker, times a million—or certainly at least the version of it I have in mind.
You guys know I've been harping on about something like this for ages now, and it's funny to think that both Microsoft and Sony are touting these kinds of creation tools when I've been saying Nintendo should have had something like this built into its console's since the Wii. Way to miss a kinda obvious trick, that's so much better suited to your specific input solution than any of those other consoles, Nintendo.
Wait people really thought it was bad? Sure, it was no big bang with new zelda and mario and Miyamoto running around swinging nintendo weapons, but it was not bad at all. They showed new games, and to be honest, seeing two online co-op multiplayer games for a handheld? That's something I thought I'd never see from nintendo. And you can't tell me porting hyrule warriors to 3DS isn't impressive. And if you count the world championships and the smash direct in this, which with how close they were, I would, I'd say it's been a good e3 for nintendo this year.
@bizcuthammer This right here. This is how I feel.
I feel like Nintendo just tried to shove something down my throat I refise to buy. Since there is now a HUGE year long gap I think Ill finally have reason to go Sony. Except they dont have games I wamt either... sigh
@IrishGamer97 this is basically truth. Im uoset at this being our new metroid. Its a fine game but it means we just got shafted from what we wanted.
I know by the way most people have reacted in the last 24 hours i am in the minority.
But i liked the show, and it has some games i want and some i don't.
I much prefer having a Nintendo Direct every couple of months with surprises throughout the year instead of having one big event then its done.
I have such a backlog of games i am happy that some titles haven't been announced.
I felt that this E3 in general was very lackluster imo. Nothing to really gawk at. Just more details on things we knew about and a few surprises. Nothing earth shattering though...
I feel really embarrased to be Nintendo fan after reading those comments in Metroid Prime Federation Force youtube video. I understant that fans are really angry with nintendo but some of those comments are just wow...
I think this was measured letdown. Nintendo knows they are overstretched with 3 developments going with NX, QOL and Smartphone. They know they effectively have little to show for a barely alive WiiU and New 3DS. 1 game, arguably two justifies the purchase of New 3DS if you count both Monster Hunter and Xenoblade Chronicles. Nintendo has "punted the ball" (US football) and appear to be trying to take measured damage while they set their defense.
I'm actually worried that what got lost in translation is that Iwata thinks we're all upset about the presentation not the content (games).
I see Nintendo take the risk of trying new things all the time. Then other developers use it. Like the nunchuck is used for oculus. Like the AR from the 3DS now used with Hololens. I believe that Nintendo would have developed an awesome VR or AR headset with these items. I wonder if they are skipping that to just jump straight to the finish line for the win with the Nintendo Holodeck? I can dream.
Now if only they had listened to fans long before this E3, we wouldn't have gotten these crappy games of well established franchises..
Still no New 3DS in North America, apology not accepted.
@bezerker99 they better not do that. This game looks fun! I'm still waiting for a new Metroid sidescroller though.
@JaxonH Did you ever play Star Fox 64? It had multiplayer. It was a ton of fun. Could easily be made for online. You could do 4 vs 4 squadron battles. My gosh man. It's one of Nintendo's best old IPs for online multi.
@XCWarrior
Ya I know it could work, it's just not something that I think is worth slamming the game over. If it has it cool, if not, well, it's not like people were protesting for the return of StarFox because they wanted online battles- they (and I) wanted a return to form of the classic single player experience.
Besides, Nintendo can't afford server upkeep for all these niche little games that less than a million people will buy and even less will play online.
Maybe if Wii U was selling like the PS4 they could afford to pay for online in all these other, more niche games
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