I personally love gyro controls, I am so glad @JaxonH made me aware of it.
I know rumble is pretty marmite, but I’ve always enjoyed rumble. That is why I think it’s a shame they didn’t use a stronger motor in the pro controller.
Want so much myself, but I'll probably hold off. Either grabbing gta or brilliant diamond next month. Maybe SMT if I'm feeling up to the task. Although playing BDII is quite a jrpg undertaking so playing SMT right after may not be the best idea lol
A lot of games use gyro, and I won't play a game that involves aiming without it. Too archaic. Gyro is a must.
I suppose you could use one controller for RPGs and platformers and another for Gyro, but thats a lot of back and forth.
With Gyro, the analog sticks on the joycon are fine, because you're not actually using them for fine attenuation of your aim. You're fine tuning with Gyro. All games that don't use gyro, those are the games that work excellent with joycon analogs. Like DKC. I use it to move left and right, and swim around. They work perfect for that. Metroid Dread. Left, right and free aiming- they work perfect for that. Running around a 3D world in Monster Hunter Rise- they work perfect for that. And gyro fine tunes the aiming.
@Pizzamorg
You took to Gyro like a champ. Most ppl take a week or two to adapt but you were rockin it day one. That's how it was for me too though. It just felts natural, right off the bat. It also helps if you've played games on PC and are already open minded about the fact there are far superior input methods, and recognize analog sticks alone are deficient.
I believe the reason many don't understand the appeal of gyro is because of an information deficit. They've simply never seen what it can do, and/or have a personal experience of gimmick motion and wrongly identify gyro as being "only that".
The solution to this is education. Showing ppl why gyro is objectively superior, proven through real world data.
Aim Lab Test - Gyro Aiming
Imagine someone doing this with just analog sticks... that would never happen
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@Koldur Any games involving gyro aiming. Which, at this point, are getting to be quite numerous.
A third-party grip is currently the best solution for people who want the full suite of features in handheld mode while still being able to hold the device comfortably, unless they want to roll the dice on BinBok joycons, which I've heard are VERY hit-or-miss in terms of manufacturing quality.
@JaxonH It's not an information deficit. Most people who dismiss gyro aiming simply don't wish to adapt to it, because sticks are "good enough" for them. It's what they're comfortable with.
This is less ingrained as a tendency in Nintendo's base, since the Big N kind of forced its audience to adapt to being comfortable with motion controls the last decade and a half. BotW and Splatoon skillfully eased people into transitioning from Wii pointer controls to gyro aim.
My Hori Switch Pad Pro arrived today. Literally makes the Joy Cons unusable afterwards. Might as well sell them to make some dough
Oh wow, not heard of this before. So is this like a pro controller you can slide onto the Switch, to get the benefits of that even in handheld? Is this an official thing? I might need to pick one of these up.
Also - did I seriously almost get struck by lightning by having a spear on my back during a thunderstorm? I love all the little details in BOTW. Like it does technically still suffer from a lot of the usual open world problems, the map may be a little too big given how much empty space and repeated space there is, by all the little details just make the world feel alive really unlike any open world game I’ve played.
The way items can get swept up by the wind, enemies have to go and pick up their weapons, which you can knock out of their hands and they’ll scramble to find something else, or when you knock an enemy off a horse and they’re chasing the horse around to get back on it. Just all those little details, they aren’t necessary, but I appreciate each one of them.
If you are looking for an alternative to the joy cons, with a much better joystick, an actual D pad, and much better ergonomics for long gaming sessions in handheld, the binbok joy cons are what I recommend.
They can be used wirelessly, unlike the split pad pro, have way better ergonomics, and have all the extra features of the joy cons, such as rumble and motion controls. Not to mention that the binbok joy cons fit perfectly on the front side of the Switch, unlike the split pad pro, with its ugly lip that triggers me every time I look at it (and there is even a slim model if you want the joy cons to be a perfect fit both on the front and on the back). The only real downside of the binbok joy cons compared to the split pad pro is the worse D pad, for which I don't really care since I don't really play retro games.
Imo, binbok joy cons >>> split pad pro. Even the price is roughly the same iirc, and you are getting so much more with the binbok joy cons.
Oh, and another important thing to watch out with binbok joy cons is that they have poor quality control, so you may receive a defective controller. They are cool about it though, and will quickly send you a replacement free of charge, without even the need to send the old one back. That's how I ended up with two pairs of binbok joy cons for the price of one, because my first pair kept on disconnecting while playing handheld . Ever since I received the second pair, about 1 month ago, everything has been going well!
Another misunderstanding. There is no workout session. Gyro does not involve standing up, moving your arms, flailing about, etc. In fact, using Gyro is so still you would never even know someone was using it. Take all the preconceived notions of Wii waggle you have and throw them out the window. That's not what gyro is. Gyro is incredibly slight tilts of the controller when dialing in aim. Your thumb will do more moving than anything else. Gyro is small, slight bending of the wrist.
Most of the common objections ppl have against gyro are misinformed opinions based on gimmick motion gestures from the Wii era. Motion gestures and gyro aren't the same thing.
@Ralizah
That may be, that ppl just see analogs as "good enough", but I still think it's an information deficit, as showcased with the post above about being a "workout session". Most ppl who don't use gyro are misinformed (be it unintentional or willful likely depends on the person). And if they were properly informed, they may still decide analogs are "good enough" but they wouldn't have the silly objections against it. And, I think if more ppl were educated about gyro, they may conclude that despite analogs working "well enough" for them, why settle for "well enough" when you could elevate the experience to world class.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@JaxonH people prolly felt the same way about mouse controls in FPS' 20 years ago. Gyro controls may be objectively superior, but they're also not necessary. That's the dilemma. They add nothing for me personally, but I'm a weirdo who likes tank controls (and I don't really care for FPS'. I worked at a Gamestop during the 360 era. So many FPS' 😵)
@Haruki_NLI I dunno. Sometimes, with ports like these, the Switch versions fare well because the developers consciously spent more time optimizing for the weaker hardware.
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I'm not offended in the slightest, and I said nothing about your "intelligence". Idk what you're talking about. Like, at all.
What "attitude"??? You're imagining things my guy. There was no "attitude". NONE.
I'm just correcting misconceptions, and you are getting bent out of shape over it. You made an incorrect statement and I clarified that is not the case. How do you make the logical leap from there, to... "attitude, intelligence, offended"
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@JaxonH I guess it depends on how you view it. I don't see willful ignorance as an "information deficit." They don't care if the information is there. There's not a lack of information. There's a lack of willingness to engage with information that would challenge biases and preconceptions they don't care to interrogate.
But, you know, you'll get someone who is genuinely information deprived every once in a while, and they'll appreciate your candidness. It's that way with any sort of evangelism.
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@Ralizah
I think most ppl are resistant to change. I mean let's be honest, we all are. Because we all think we're right. Our beliefs are a construct of opinions we've formed over the years, so by the very definition we think our beliefs are correct, otherwise we wouldn't hold them.
There are some who genuinely don't mind having their beliefs challenged, but most take offense at the notion one of their beliefs could be incorrect or not optimal.
So I do agree a big issue is convincing ppl to challenge their beliefs, and that's not easy. Because ppl will selectively confirm their bias with all kinds of information, be it valid or not. And I'm not saying this in a condescending way- again, we're all susceptible to this. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.
I still think the more those presuppositions and biases are challenged though, the more likely it is a person will, at some point, decide to reassess. At the very least, misconceptions should be corrected as opposed to letting them run rampant, unchecked and unchallenged.
The "flailing your arms about" thing should have died years ago. But there's just not enough users of gyro speaking up and challenging those claims to counter the spread of such misinformed opinions.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@Pizzamorg I think yes, I am in Greece and I ordered the slim model from the binbok site, costed about 52€ with transportation cost included and took about 3 weeks to arrive.
@JaxonHturns green Urp...for what little bit of that I could watch, that was pretty fast...but also proof that my monocular self still can't handle first person view in games with a lot of movement. So glad I have not eaten yet. My head and my stomach hurts. That being said I do like gyro for things that don't make my head explode, like BOTW. Pretty much the reason why I'm in the "I liked the shrines" camp.
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Remember those old HD ready TVs? I found a 24 inch one at my Dads and hooked my Switch up to it. The good thing about the Switch being optimised usually for 720p/30 is by linking it to this TV, I get all the benefits of the handheld performance but just on a bigger screen. When I try and hook up my Switch to my 4K 120hz TV at home, I just think it blows up the Switch too much and really exposes the low resolution/low fps parts (like Three Houses for example is practically unplayable docked for me), but BOTW looks as good/runs as well in handheld as it does on this HD ready TV I found. Very nice.
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