Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@IceClimbers yeah and thing is at least with electronics most people don't want single purpose devices anymore.

@IceClimbers I mean to hear you talk you'd think that the Wii U caused tragedies comparable to Thalidomide or something. Miracles, extremely damaged, beyond repair.

I'm not sure if I like your style of hyperbole or not. Nintendo are in a rough spot, with only one announced game people care about and a lot of work to be done if they want to become the 'king' again but nowhere near as desperate as the words you type imply.

You do know what Thalidomide and the over-the-counter drugs containing it are (or were) right? Look it up if not. That's what happens when companies fudge things up massively, and your vocabulary is much more suitable for that calamity.

I don't know what it's going to be...but I can tell you what I'd like...

I'd like it to output a 3D signal, that can be run into a 3D monitor or 3D television. I'd like it to have a 3D touch screen, just like the Wii U but just 3D.

I'd like for the extra power it would need to output Nintendo's 1st party stuff in 3D to be augmented just enough for it to play 3rd party tripple-A titles just like Microsoft and Sony's platforms.

I'd like it to be able to render Nintendo's Wii-U first party library in 3D.

I'd like the 3D touchpad to have a cardridge slot to play 3DS games, in 3D.

Some time in the future it might be cool if the resolution of the 3D touchpad was good enough to be mounted in a headset for VR (potentially Nintendo could maybe even partner with a phone company and use an existing high-resolution set).

The way I see it your idea sells to:

• People who want a cheaper home console than the usual home console
• People who want a streaming box for the home console they already own

While what I'm suggesting would sell to:

• People who want a portable gaming device for Pokemon etc
• People who want a portable streaming device for the home console they already own
• People who want a cheaper home console than the usual home console
• People who want a streaming box for the home console they already own

One idea involves selling a single device that's really just a portable system that also does this other trick. The other idea involves convincing people that they need to spend $100+ on yet another piece of hardware just so they can play games they can already play on a second TV.....

@skywake but yours involves trying to sell a Handheld system to those that don't want a handheld. Offering more cheaper options that fill specific roles, I think, will be more profitable and serve more customers with their unique tastes than trying to sell 1 more expensive system to many different people. But this is all hypothetical lol

@DefHalan
Really the way I see it we only disagree on two points here:
1. You think that the extra cost of a portable (we're talking $30-50US) is a huge issue
2. I think that someone who's buying a second Nintendo box is already buying the portable

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Obviously this is hypothetical, odds are neither will happen. But thinking about it I thought of something else Nintendo could do with the NX. I think X86 makes sense for various reasons but what if they also have a decent ARM processor in there? Allow the NX to run in a kind of "portable" mode. If they did then games built for their portable system could automatically work on their home console.

And in addition to that developers of home console games could use it as a co-processor. For example as a dedicated processor used to encode h.264 for game streaming. Or as the processor that the NX's menu and other background processes run on.

@skywake I think the price difference would be much larger than $30

@DefHalan
I'm not convinced it would be given that Nintendo can sell the 2DS for $80US. A cost which obviously includes the battery and screens. Items which would be largely the same cost with this hypothetical portable device. So if they can sell the 2DS for $80US and presumably at a profit? Attaching a screen and battery to a "micro-console" isn't going to add as much to the cost as you think it would....

@skywake But the portable console would replace the 3DS meaning it would need to be more powerful and seeing as the current highest powered 3DS goes for $200 a portable system would probably be between $200 and $250

@DefHalan
Two problems with that last post. First is the assumption that the New 3DS actually costs that much more than the 2DS to make. I'd wager that they have quite a margin on the New 3DS. The second is the belief that a micro-console, if it was to exist, would be only as powerful as the 3DS is. I think it's pretty obvious that you're going to need better hardware for either product tier. Which I would assume would put this micro-console spec closer to what a new portable system would be.

When I point to the cost of the 2DS it's not me saying that this portable would cost that amount. Not at launch anyways. What I'm saying is that the internal hardware of a portable system and micro-console is about the same. That the portable would cost more but only because of the battery and screen. Things which the 2DS has. So it's going to cost more but by less than the cost of the 2DS. If this is a $150US "micro-console"? Then they should be able to sell a portable that can also be a "micro-console" for <$200US

@SuperPaperLuigi I have the same love for 3d. I remember playing assassins creed 3 in 3d, and it rocked. Too bad the game itself was so bad. The good one, black flag, had no 3d support, sadly.

After the super stable 3d thing in new 3ds I'd like to convince myself nintendo in 3d is here to stay. I love that stuff too much, so I hope nintendo sticks to it.

@skywake I don't think the portable would have to be the same power as the micro console. I think the portable would be more powerful.

@erv I know, I just recently picked up a 3D Monitor for my PS3 and I think I'm probably going to play and/or replay just about everything on it that has 3D support.

...although maybe not God of War. Not sure if it's really my thing...and might skip Splinter Cell too.

I didn't think I'd own a copy of Enslaved again either since I thought I probably wouldn't play it again, but then I saw it's patched to support 3D on PS3 (although Everybody's Golf was supposed to support 3D too and I've not been able to find any kind of 3D configuration option even after the update. I need to get on some forums and see if I can find out why that is.)

But yeah, I got the AC Birth of a New World compilation but no 3D even on the AC3 in that package at all, so had to pick up a regular copy. But not a big Assassins Creed fan. Haven't actually played Assassin's Creed since AC2 was released (I kind of got a bit bored of the repetition).

I'm not really big into fps but probably definitely going to take a look at Crysis and maybe Killzone.

But yes, absolutely, I would love to play Super Mario 3D World in actual stereoscopic 3D, that would be so cool.

I'd like to see Super Mario Galaxy get a 3D remaster also, and Metroid Corruption and Zak & Wiki, also Other M (although I'm yet to play that).

Edit: Really really hoping NX has 3D and 3D retro-remasters of the Wii-U and Wii stuff.

I assumed the idea of this, once again, entirely hypothetical device was to give Nintendo another vessel to sell the same content. If it's going to be an entirely different spec then aren't they just splitting their development efforts even further? Because with this idea of a portable that can work as a "micro-console" you actually have me at a point where I think it's not a bad idea.

Picture this, three product tiers:

Portable "MX":
ARM based, essentially it's a 3DS successor
HDMI out via a dock so you can also use it as a micro-console of sorts
Ability to stream games from NX

Micro-console "MNX":
Literally just the portable but without the display component
Ability to stream games from NX
Does not release unless they decide there is a market for it

Home console "NX":
x86 based with ARM co-processor
PS4 competitive GPU spec to gain third party multiplatform titles
ARM co-processor makes it possible to seamlessly run in "MX mode"
All VC titles run on the ARM processor as do a lot of indie titles
Full access to the "MX" library. Runs at a higher resolution but obviously same textures ect
Cross-buy, cross play, cloud saves

http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/gallery_take_a_cl...

That freeform screen. XD

I think the NX is a handheld component that has 'absorbed Wii U architecture', something like a sleeker Wii U gamepad maybe with extra 'gimmicks' like tracking for fun handheld games and uses cartridges that can connect to a more powerful home console to play on the TV (sold separately).
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They can release Zelda on both systems and not burn anyone. There is no graphically superior NX version (like TP on GC and Wii), merely a home (WiiUdisc) or portable (NXcart) version. If you play with the hand held component connected to the NX home, then the main screen is displayed on the TV while the handheld component becomes the Wii U map screen. The NX version will have features like detecting how far away your hand is from the pad so you can gesture picking apples from trees, or gathering flowers from fields or throw bombs. (AR functionality). Wii U games on carts, Mariomaker on the go as well as games for the NX home console more akin to it's peers (which I haven't even mentioned much lol!) but it is gonna be an awful lot of info to get across to Nintendo how it's new consoles will all behave with each other. After the latest rumour of a delay for VR, maybe they could release a VR unit that connects to the home console too!
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Based on reading the patents, hearing Nintendo's brief comments about their future, and Nintendo having the most success with its portable platform for 2 decades now, to me NX=handheld/gamepad using cartridges + external SCD device that will run copies of your games to provide more processing resources. This SCD device can display games on your TV for home console play.

The NX may be compatible to 3Ds games. New games will be scalable where the home play option on your TV will play at a higher res (up to 4K). Portable option will play at 540-720P. Even more power provided by the SCD will come in from the SCD cloud or SCDs on a LAN.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=207174089 oh boy(click before you say lol gaf it's from ubisoft/

@WebHead Can't say I'm surprised, with stuff like the XB1 Scorpio and PS4 Neo it's clear that Nintendo's best chance at huge success is the blue ocean strategy (i.e. bring back the people who ditched Wii and DS for tablets and smartphones instead of getting Wii U and 3DS).

@Grumblevolcano yeah I doubt nx will be Scorpio level in power.

Looks like we are getting a $250-300 home console with some new feature of sort.