@NintendoWife I think Nintendo were kinda unfortunate to be in between a rock and a hard place. Between the economic crisis the world is in, the rising costs in hardware and game creation and time needed, I think it caused a lot of issues for Nintendo getting the Switch 2 out the door. It was rumoured to have been pushed back a year because Nintendo were struggling to get their games ready. I still think Nintendo wanted more time but couldn’t let it be delayed any further.
Definitely, regarding the world / economic situation. But in terms of 'readiness' I'd expected it to be almost the other way round: They finalized the Switch 2 four (?) years ago, and could have launched earlier, but decided against it because the Switch 1 was still selling so well. Which gave them the luxury of resting their biggest IP for a while and polish the upcoming entries to perfection. Which we're seeing with Mario Kart World, and I hope it's the same situation for 3D Mario, Animal Crossing and Smash Brothers - all the giant franchises they haven't had to update for ages.
@NintendoWife As someone who didn't buy mario kart, the day 1 line up for me is non existent. That did make me a bit worried... but then I started playing Hello Kitty which I am in the middle of and testing a few other games I have which had serious performance or other issues and wow.... (...) So many little improvements.
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As for games this year:
Surely there is something for Mario anniversary. Whether it's something big or e.g. a Switch 2 version of Wonder, time will tell.
I suspect Prime 4 will be pretty major, possibly a GotY contender. And even though it's not technically exclusive, the Switch 2 version will be the best version.
Ah interesting, I didn't even think of the people not interested in Mario Kart. I'd be at a loss what to do if I'm honest 😶 But I couldn't even try the enhanced Zelda versions yet cause I've lent all the cartridges to my niece & nephew at the moment.
The enhancements are most welcome, I'm just coming to the conclusion that Nintendo needs exclusives, ideally one of 3D Mario caliber this year still. Cause what you are describing is really a "Playstation Pro" usecase. Nothing wrong with that, but most people wouldn't make the jump for that. The hardcore will, and they buy early, that's why I'm cautious about those early numbers. PS5 Pro sold quickly and then flatlined.
Not too positive about a Mario anniversary, we've seen many occasions come and go without any commemoration.
@skywake I think you're misinterpreting my intentions - I wasn't going to hate on the Switch 2 no matter what. I absolutely acknowledge that selling out such a large number of preorders is a success. I was merely noting that right now there's little coverage, no hype, no lines. I was a bit shocked to open up IGN (which used to be the Nintendo friendly site) and all they had on Switch 2 was an editorial about the absence of hype. Buried between 48 stories from the other presentations.
As for the lineup: Even after reading your list I'd argue it's thin on new exclusives. I was looking at the launch lineup mostly, but you're right, there'll be something about once a month.
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I don't see the existence of "TotK is higher res now" and "wow, this game is now playable" as a negative. Or how you could reasonably argue that case. Especially when it doesn't come at the cost of actual new content
Why would I see that as a negative? Of course not, it's fantastic! Will it sell systems? Not sure.
As for the Welcome Tour / Nintendoland comparison: I was half joking. But the two games do have in common that they seem a little bit out of touch in that occasional Nintendo way. The Wii Music way.
in regards to competing against the showcases. Don't forget gaming news was DOMINATED by switch 2 speculation, leaks, and more since January.
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So I get what your saying but I don't think they needed to compete during the showcase. Plus if Nintendo has a direct in the next month or two then they might grab the spotlight back. Who knows.
Fair enough, yes. I thought I remembered earlier launches differently, with more coverage exploding on day 1. But I totally agree, the next Direct is going to be enlightening.
I won't buy Switch 2 until there's a hardware revision, as the current one is a downgrade in several ways. I just sold my Switch v.2 and bought the OLED model and it's absolutely amazing, especially for me that hated the screen of the Lite (the first model I bought) and even the regular one.
@Banjo- I'm just curious, have you played the Switch 2 yet? Going from the OLED to the SW2, I'm struggling to see downgrades apart from the battery life. IMO the benefits far outweigh the negatives. I've played around with a few non-optimized SW1 games, and they really benefit from download speeds, performance improvements. An example, I love Wreckfest, and I was shocked at how quickly the game loaded/races started. It was a striking difference.
I'm not trying to start an argument, we all have our own opinions...just curious if you have spent time with it/seen it in person?
Switch 2 is awesome for me. Feels like a big leap, a generation jump.
Popular games like rocket league, fortnite etc is playable and smooth with decent graphics.
3rd party AAA games Are decent and joyable.
Switch 1 Nintendo games has now got the Power they need, Zelda looks and feels amazing.
MK World and DK shows what we can Expect in the future. Cant wait to see what they manage to do further down the road. Love the focus on communication, online, other modern solutions on MK World and the Nintendo system.
The big one…fast loading times in games, smoothness and quickness in eshop etc feels modern! And where it should be. HDR, handheld screen, resolutions, hz etc is good.
In 7-8 years again, it will be exciting to see if they can reach ps5/XSX level or higher with dlss/gpu/cpu on «switch 3». Right now, switch 2 will be more than enough until then!
@Lazz Yeah, a friend has one already. I have (or had) all Switch models (Lite, v2 and OLED). I don't want to argue about this either, but if you really want to know, the biggest downgrades are battery life and screen: mediocre brightness and middling contrast, compared to Switch OLED.
@Banjo- thanks - makes sense! I'm always interested in hearing what others think, and the battery life has been a bit tough. One thing I am trying (saw this recommendation on the NintendoPrime Youtube channel) is to cycle the battery down to 0 a couple of times, and then fully recharge it. I'm already noticing after 1 cycle, I am getting longer battery life. Hoping that after a few more cycles I can get more than 2 hours. Battery and slow game downloads have been my only negatives so far.
Due to the Switch 2 being brand new, there's no guarantee either way if it will be a success or not. Historically, Nintendo consoles sell amazingly at launch. Their success or failure only becomes obvious after a couple years. I want Nintendo to succeed but my worry is that the Switch 2 is following some patterns that historically haven't worked out for them: The Switch 2 is a sequel to a much more popular console. Sparse launch titles with a focus on third party. Focusing on specs. A slightly higher price point than what the consumer is used to (like the 3DS which received price cuts). A lack of innovation (but there are only so many ways you can reinvent the wheel...)
Previous patterns mean nothing in reality, but it just feels like Nintendo is repeating mistakes they should have learned from. Nothing is certain and these are just my worries about the future so take them with a grain of salt.
This is obviously not going to happen, but it would likely be better for all of us if it did fail even remotely close to that badly.
When 3DS failed past launch, I got a bunch of NES and GBA games for free and everyone else got it far cheaper. Objectively good that it failed at first.
First, no, it doesn't feel like a WiiU situation in full, but partly... to me.
The way that it feels akin to the WiiU for me is the lack of more launch titles, I know we have a massive library of Switch1 titles that we can fill the time with, but that isn't exactly how it is supposed to work out. The WiiU had the ability to play most, if not all, of the Wii games... that only works for so long.
I would consider the lack of software (S2 exclusive) at launch, and in the near future launch window, to be a WiiU type of situation. Yes, the console (S2) is selling well and is off to a great start with it's current games and the library of playable Switch1 titles, but we need more than just the titles that Nintendo showed during the S2 full reveal Direct in April, some of which aren't even due out until next year and not early next year.
I'm pretty sure that Nintendo has some kind of surprise game focused Direct in store for us within a month of the S2 launch. I do have more confidence in this console than I did in the WiiU... and I actually released a game on the WiiU.
The Switch 2 branding is also less "confusing" than the WiiU branding, which did NOTHING to separate itself from the Wii as a successor. The simple use of "2" in the title dissolves the possibility of that same brand of confusion in naming conventions used by Nintendo. They can be innovative, but using poorly thought out naming/branding can kill things.
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I'm not sure I'm misinterpreted your post there. You can drop a veneer of positivity if you want but you were making the case that the Switch 2 is another Wii U. It would be possible to do this while still being happy with the Switch, I was happy with the Wii U back in the day
But the comparison is lunacy and doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. All you have for this comparison is that they were both "enhanced" consoles with BC, they both had a big and little title on day 1 and they both sold on day 1. But beyond that thin slice the comparison falls apart rapidly on even a slight investigation of any of these similarities
And if that's not obvious to you I don't know what else to say
This is an incredibly unfair comparison. The Wii U wasn't just the Wii but with marginally better graphics.
It had the gamepad (complete with dual screen capability and gyro controls), seamless (and free) online play complete with a social network, Youtube and Netflix capability as well as a web browser, the Virtual Console, a proper D-pad on its main controller, and folders.
Not too positive about a Mario anniversary, we've seen many occasions come and go without any commemoration.
They've had events for 20, 25, 30, and 35 so I don't think they'll skip 40. Granted, they may count Mario Kart as part of it and only have something relatively small beyond that. Or, if some huge Mario game is coming in 2026, they could tease that in September around the anniversary. We'll see I guess.
I'm pretty sure that Nintendo has some kind of surprise game focused Direct in store for us within a month of the S2 launch.
The traditional June direct is looking pretty likely right now since the summer gamefest week events all seemed to avoid saying Switch 2. If it's at all like 2017, that next direct will have some new third party games and give more details about first party games but not necessarily add much first party wise since the schedule is already pretty full. Perhaps a game or two extra.
@skywake You're being belligerent. I didn't even say those things. This very thread is titled 'Does anyone else feel like this is more "Switch U" than Switch 2?'
My case for comparison was of course not that they both sold out, that would be stupid. I didn't talk about the Wii U launch lineup either, you did. (I don't even think Wii U had one system seller for launch, which was of course part of its problem. NSMBU was solid, but people were already tired of the series).
If you read my posts again, I didn't say Switch 2 = Wii U once, I'm merely posting in this thread just like you are. I was picking up on it because yesterday evening I started feeling worried about the new console, and this discussion echoes that.
They've had events for 20, 25, 30, and 35 so I don't think they'll skip 40. Granted, they may count Mario Kart as part of it and only have something relatively small beyond that. Or, if some huge Mario game is coming in 2026, they could tease that in September around the anniversary. We'll see I guess.
No you're right, they'll surely prepare something in celebration. But if my memory serves me right they never went as far as to time mainline projects to an anniversary. There will be wallpapers and themes, a speedrun version of a retro game, possibly a concert (which would be pretty damn cool!), something like that. Anything more will be a pleasant surprise The next big Mario game itself (anniversary themed or not) is what I'm most excited for, now that Zelda will surely take a break for a while.
They've had events for 20, 25, 30, and 35 so I don't think they'll skip 40. Granted, they may count Mario Kart as part of it and only have something relatively small beyond that. Or, if some huge Mario game is coming in 2026, they could tease that in September around the anniversary. We'll see I guess.
No you're right, they'll surely prepare something in celebration. But if my memory serves me right they never went as far as to time mainline projects to an anniversary. There will be wallpapers and themes, a speedrun version of a retro game, possibly a concert (which would be pretty damn cool!), something like that. Anything more will be a pleasant surprise The next big Mario game itself (anniversary themed or not) is what I'm most excited for, now that Zelda will surely take a break for a while.
They had Super Mario Maker for 30, Galaxy 2 for 25 (but not 35), Bros 3 for 5, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for 15 (ish). So it can't for sure be ruled out!
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I replied to your comment that it was selling out:
I've seen the headline about it being the biggest launch weekend ever, we'll get confirmation tomorrow. But I don't think that's an indicator of anything necessarily. The hardcore fanbase all bought one, that's what it is. Didn't even Wii U have a strong launch?
Mods have since deleted that post, thanks mods. But my point there was that even at launch the Wii U didn't do that great and 3 million at launch is insanely good sell through. I had some other launch numbers as a comparison in that now deleted post to back this up. Again, thanks mods
Your reply to this was to just dismiss it and say I should reply to your other points. Which I did. In the context of this thread which is intended to compare it to the Wii U. Which was a bit cheeky but somehow that post is still there. In one of those bullet points you suggested the launch line-up was thin and leant heavily on backwards compatibility and Switch 2 editions. I pointed out how thin the Wii U was in terms of software by comparison, again because we were talking Wii U in a Wii U vs Switch 2 thread. It's a fairly stark contrast
Frankly, I'd go further and say that the Switch 2 launch compares favourably to the Switch launch. Obviously Mario Kart World is not BotW but outside of that it's not too bad. Enhanced versions of games for the prior generation, improved performance in backwards compatibility, GameCube on NSO. Remember how most of the early Switch was Wii U ports? I'd take enhanced editions and decent BC over that any day. Obviously it doesn't have a full library of exclusives on day 1, no console does, that's how that works. But as far as the launch experience goes? This is a fairly compelling system on day 1. I'd argue the most compelling overall console at launch from Nintendo ever
If it is then it is picking the best parts of the wiiu launch. It leverages BC (with a far more active library than the wiiu had in its transition years), and still has a wide genre spread of launch and launch window games. Something that the wiiu also had (wiiu had like twenty something launch games in NA). While I still say the marketing of the wiiu was clear that it was a new device, Nintendo learned to keep it extra simple by simply slapping a 2 on the end and making the profile of the system different in little ways (the joycon 2 colors for instance aren’t really able to be mistaken for the joycons unless you really don’t pay attention.)
That being said, the switch 2 is gonna hinge on customer perception. (and imo game release parity now that the system is out and hopefully all the major companies have dev kits.) So far most of the complaints aren’t mainstream complaints. Average customers aren’t gonna care about game key cards or not. Especially with digital steadily on the rise. (market dependent of course) price is still what the market can bear (but we shall see if it is sustained long term). Plus a large amount of launch games of various genres (mainstream market is more lenient on when a game came out so long as it is popular).
so imo as long as people aren’t confused (or disdainful) by the system (i didn’t see too much confusion about that) and the PS5/Series x last at least another 2 years (to keep the parity gap long enough for the platform to be stable) I think this system will succeed where the wiiu didn’t.
edit: plus love it or hate it, Nintendo has (for now) a low cost instant access to many of its classic games with NSO and since some games are locked to the service or OG hardware it becomes a more attractive mainstream add on. sorta bottles the success of the mini systems into a subscription.
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If anything this feels more like the Switch Pro everyone thought we'd get back in 2020/2021ish. A few performance improvements but otherwise minimal changes from the original, it's mainly just a more powerful Switch and almost everything else is the same. It is definitely an improvement, but I'm not quite feeling the "next gen" improvement that makes this feel like a completely new era of Nintendo and feels more like we're still in the Switch era.
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