Topic: So seriously where in hell is Cavestory???

where in hell? well about 5 miles East of the Devils Palace and its across the street from the firey slave quarters

cave story was made by one japanese computer programmer in over 4 years his spare time... shouldn't the very fact that you have heard of it be evidence that it is one of the best games ever made, rather than the other way around? considering how many freeware games are online, how else would word have traveled this far?

@romulux, I had never heard of World of Goo before it hit WiiWare and everyone started going crazy, and that was only made by two people. I was not impressed. I don't know anything about Cave Story; it could be good, and it probably is, but the fact that I've never even heard of it until I saw a bunch of threads about it on here, and none of my friends has ever heard of it, is evidence to me that it's probably not one of the "best of all time."

it's ok to be skeptical, but i don't understand the the logic in arguing against a game you've never played...

grenworthshero, great games can be overlooked for years on end before people will hear about them. i had never heard of okami until a few months ago, and it still really isn't that talked about despite being one of the most epic games ever made. super metroid bombed in japan, so badly that nintendo left it to western developers to make the next games in the series, yet we all know how that one is regarded today.

but, that's beside the point; cave story hasn't been overlooked. bear in mind that at this point we're still discussing a game that has yet to be legitimately released for a single video game system. cave story has gathered about as much acclaim as is possible for an independent game; in fact, it is the single most widely known and best rated independent game of all time... what more do you want? you seem to be saying that if it were one of the best ever, it would be widely acclaimed and you would hear about it all the time... meanwhile in a cave story thread, one of the hundreds you claim to have seen lately, you say it isn't talked about enough to be great.

I'm not saying it's not a great game, because I have no idea whether it is, but I am saying that's it's highly unlikely that it's one of the best games ever. It might be the best independent game ever, or the best freeware title, but that's far from being one of the greatest of all time. Few people would even argue Okami is one of the greatest. I guess we have different definitions, because when I hear "greatest of all time" I'm thinking about games that have had the IMMENSE impact of games like Super Mario Bros. or The Legend of Zelda. I haven't even heard anything about it outside of the many threads on this site, that's why I say it's not talked about

Where in hell is the Devil. He hasn't returned from Georgia, been there for yonks.

I've heard of Ninjabread Man, by that logic surely that should it make it awesome right?

Just as Advanced Lawnmower Simulator on the Speccy is one of the greatest games ever. Hey, I didn't need the Internet to know that!

my brother programmed an oil drilling program/software single handedly; does that make it one of the greatest oil drilling programs/software ever? no.

It gets my vote.

Like I said, I wouldn't call it one of the best of all time, but it's got immense quality. It's notable because of what I said: it "probably single-handedly started the retro movement among indies and, recently, the industry". It was released back in 2004 when retro was... not big, to say the least. Without its release and subsequent internet praise, Megaman 9/10, the Rebirth titles, and many other retro throwbacks by both indies and the big leagues may never have been made. If you don't want to know about the game itself, then that is reason enough why it's important.

And why it's loved by those who have played it? You can tell from just playing it that the guy poured his heart and soul into it. It's so polished, balanced and lengthy that it's hard to imagine it was made by just one man. It really set an example for the indie development scene. And if that's not enough, you can read the review by the very critical folks at ActionButton.net.

@grenworthshero (Just singleing you out because I'm using Opoona as a reference)
I'm sure you love Opoona, I love Opoona but you never hear anything about that game. Just because a game gets press doesn't mean it's great.
Daikatana anyone?

Ehm... what's the deal kids? This game is mediocre in every way. It feels like a standard freeware game and the work of an amateur. This doesn't come close to anything like Super Metroid or Castlevania symphony of the night. The graphics are ugly, I can forgive the lack of quality, but the character design is disgusting. How is this game something to get very exited about? It can't compete with most games that are 20 years old. On top of that it's not innovative or original in any way. What is it you guy's are blinded by? Sympathy for the developer? The retro appeal it has? This is in no way more than a simple and mediocre game.

Apparently that's not what other people think here

I can't remember my original response, nintenden, but I'll try my hardest to restate it.

I think I got it almost word for word. I could have done better if the other thread hadn't been deleted.

@110percentful

Yes my opinion is not a fact, do you seriously think I don't know that?

It's hard to tell. Considering you said people were "blinded" you either implied that either what you said was a fact, or that your opinion was the only one that matters.

Yes, but I never claimed it's one of the best of all time. It's definitely not, but it's one of my favorites. I don't doubt Cave Story is a good game, but, like many other great games, it's not one of the greatest ever. That title belongs to a select few, and I just don't think it belongs to a freeware game I've never heard of until a few months ago. I'm not saying I'm right, and I'm not saying that every game I've never heard of is not good. All I'm saying is that if it were truly one of the best, you'd think I'd have at least heard of it before now, 6 years after its release. 6 years is a long time in the gaming world

It's part of my opinion that I think people are blinded. If I would believe my opinion is the only one that matters, I would not post this comment and I would not be interested in peoples responses, I am interested in other opinions.

From what little I know of Cave Story (that being from a Let's Play I watched the beginning of just to familiarize myself with what the game actually IS), I must say it looks excellent. The upgrades they're making to the WiiWare version are most certainly enough to make one prefer to play that version (plus, I don't have a computer, so that option's out for me any way about it).

I can certainly believe that it's one of the best games of all time to the person who made that claim! I do NOT believe that anyone should ever attempt to speak for the gaming community as a whole on such matters, and therefore I always read it under the definition I just stated. And from what I know about it, I can believe that it may well rank right up there for me as well, once it's finally released.

@Nintenden: Your post came off as quite pushy and elitest, whether that was your intent or not. I grant you that you do seem to care at least SOMEWHAT about our opinions for the very reason you stated, though.