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GameLord08

21. Posted:

Mandoble wrote:

...Then I was waiting to figure out how long the legs of the WiiU might be and now it is clear that the console is just again on the level of the current competitors but adding a cheap tablet which really looks like another gimmicky excuse...

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Do you have evidence to support your terribly uninformed view of the console, especially in regards to its power?

Have you, by any chance, received unknown information detailing the complete tech specs to you, in isolation from the rest of the world? What, may I ask, deems the tablet "cheap" to you, when it's a stand-alone peripheral with its own isolated power, accelerometer, gyroscope, & geo-magnetic sensor, wireless and NFC capabilities, HD 1080p graphical output, a camera, a micorphone and a sensor bar? Have you had an actual hands-on with the console in the short time we've only gotten the brief experience with it? Have you seen the gameplay-enhancing capabilties in conjunction with the TV of it before labelling it as a "gimmicky excuse"?

And besides, the Wii U offers quite a lot more than just an "HD Wii experience". I don't know why people are concentrating so distinctly on this aspect. Nintendo in general offers more than just tech and graphics - the most appealing or outright thing about the Wii U is not its HD graphics capabilities, which is more than I can say for other competing current-gen consoles as of now. Anybody who thinks a gamer would gravitate towards purchasing a Wii U based solely on the grounds of its not-so-new graphics is, in my opinion, tremendously shallow.

Anyone can project themselves as a biased fanboy and make an opposing gaming platform look like an utter waste of plastic and silicon chips, Mandoble. But I digress. I should know better as to engage in an argument with a phenomenon who so obviously does not know how to argue an opinion intelligently.

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shingi_70

22. Posted:

Well the Gamepad is just a shell and doesn't have a processor,ram, and what not.

And for $199 pr $250 I can get a nexus 7 that has all of that and does way more.

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Sony_70 wrote:

Well the Gamepad is just a shell and doesn't have a processor,ram, and what not.

And for $199 pr $250 I can get a nexus 7 that has all of that and does way more.

This is a distinct "apples and oranges" case beyond the understanding of the human mind, except yours alone. Well done.

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Except that lametendo sux. I think we all understand that one.

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GameLord08 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Well the Gamepad is just a shell and doesn't have a processor,ram, and what not.

And for $199 pr $250 I can get a nexus 7 that has all of that and does way more.

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This is a distinct "apples and oranges" case beyond the understanding of the human mind, except yours alone. Well done.

Nintendo is going to be pushing in its market as a tablet. Of course its common sense that people would think it as a standalone Device.

I already had a few people asking me weather to get an ipad or a Wii U

And I could say the media functions of the Xbox and PS3 are its most appealing features. Where's the Wii U wont have blu-ray. :(

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26. Posted:

The lame thing is you lot still love coming to this site ;)

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shingi_70

27. Posted:

Didn't know you had to agree about everything nintendo to be a member here.

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28. Posted:

All I know is the Wii-U will do extremely well. Developers will warm to the Wii-U because developing games for it wont break the bank.

Unlike the power mad consoles like Sony and Microsoft that will have like 8x the power of their predecessor and so it will cost developers roughly 5-10x more to produce games with high end graphics for their consoles and so its a higher risk for the games company.

I would seriously put money on the Wii-U being more successful than the PS4!

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shingi_70

29. Posted:

xBASSxMONSTAx wrote:

All I know is the Wii-U will do extremely well. Developers can easily work with the Wii-U without breaking the bank.

Eh the same could have been said about the Wii and that did crazy good. Most developers don't care about budget. Why do you think Sony and Microsoft make berry systems. The 360 got a ram and a Cpu boost becuase devs wanted it.

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30. Posted:

xBASSxMONSTAx wrote:

I would seriously put money on the Wii-U being more successful than the PS4!

That's not very reassuring. I would seriously put money on anything being more successful than the PS4.

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Sony_70 wrote:

GameLord08 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Well the Gamepad is just a shell and doesn't have a processor,ram, and what not.

And for $199 pr $250 I can get a nexus 7 that has all of that and does way more.

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This is a distinct "apples and oranges" case beyond the understanding of the human mind, except yours alone. Well done.

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Nintendo is going to be pushing in its market as a tablet. Of course its common sense that people would think it as a standalone Device.

I already had a few people asking me weather to get an ipad or a Wii U

And I could say the media functions of the Xbox and PS3 are its most appealing features. Where's the Wii U wont have blu-ray. :(

I'm sorry, but how the hell does someone mistake the GamePad as an entry into the tablet market? It doesn't even have the standard appearance of one. Honestly, it has a resistive touch-screen with a stylus and a control pad, D-pad and analogue sticks, and more importantly, it's only been seen demonstrated in conjunction with Wii U gameplay itself - nothing more. Besides, it's blatantly a primary control peripheral that can only be used in conjunction with the console, from what we've seen so far - how would Nintendo, in their right mind, be pushing it as a stand-alone entry into the tablet market? It's a bloody gaming controller, for goodness' sake - and anyone who thinks otherwise has really not paid an ounce of attention. Apples and oranges, mate. Apples and blooming oranges.

I wouldn't say the media functions of the PS3/Xbox 360 are its most appealing features, personally - they're gaming consoles first and foremost, and there are BluRay DVD players or whatchamacallits out there if you feel you need it that badly. I know consoles are taking the lean towards being full-on entertainment/media hubs from where we're going, but really, it's not mandatory. And we still haven't seen the Wii U's system features apart from Miiverse and its games, and the fact that it has Hulu, Amazon, YouTube and Netflix. We still have a whole range of possibilities ahead of us - we could see media heaven in it.

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32. Posted:

If Nintendo were to rename the console to Wii 2, that would probably make people more aware that the system is a completely new console. Any thoughts?

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33. Posted:

Wii 2 is so...unimaginative. Wii U is quirky enough to make me take a second look.

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34. Posted:

Yeah, it is a dull name, but when Sony called their console the PlayStation 2 (not very creative either), nobody mistook it for a new model of the PS1.

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35. Posted:

@Gamelord08

If I recall CNN literally said after Nintendo's E3 conference that the Wwii U was a tablet. Add-on for the regular Wwii. If the media has problems I can easily see regular folks having problems.

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Bankai

36. Posted:

I've been playing a Wii U for months now.

Oh hang on, sorry, that was an iPad with AirPlay.

Yep, don't know how I got that one so wrong, what with Nintendo doing so much innovation in offering a developer the ability to have a handheld screen an TV working in conjunction.

Sarcasm aside, I still can't see what market the Wii U will have. Still, Nintendo managed to magic up an audience that previously couldn't be bothered with games with the Wii, so perhaps it will happen again. After all, lightening always strikes the same place twice.

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37. Posted:

LollipopChoSaw wrote:

I've been playing a Wii U for months now.

Oh hang on, sorry, that was an iPad with AirPlay.

Yep, don't know how I got that one so wrong, what with Nintendo doing so much innovation in offering a developer the ability to have a handheld screen an TV working in conjunction.

Sarcasm aside, I still can't see what market the Wii U will have. Still, Nintendo managed to magic up an audience that previously couldn't be bothered with games with the Wii, so perhaps it will happen again. After all, lightening always strikes the same place twice.

This always confuses me about people, they say the WiiU controller IS a tablet and IS copying apple, but then they turn around and say its NOTHING like an iPad.

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38. Posted:

Functionally, the Wii U is simply doing the opposite of what the iPad + AirPlay has been doing for, like, a year. The iPad streams content to the Apple TV, which broadcasts in HD on the TV screen. The Wii U streams content from the TV box to the tablet controller.

In effect, though, the result is almost identical - the Wii U and iPad + AirPlay offer exactly the game game experience. The iPad's range of AirPlay games is somewhat limited, but compensated by the fact that the iPad has about 30 different applications, aside from gaming, that make it the better device.

The Wii U might be better for gaming than the iPad + AirPlay (though that's personal preference, it's by no means an objective truth), but contrary to fanboy belief it's not innovative, and this is potentially a very, very niche area to be trying to sell into, when a company that does a similar thing well enough to satisfy the casuals is about 100 million units ahead of Nintendo.

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zezhyrule

39. Posted:

What r u talkin about!!!! The Wii U is the most innovative thing EVAR!!!1!!! You're just mad that apple sucks and has no buttons!!

:ahem: Oh yes, the Wii U. It will fail. * waves bye to nintendo *

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moomoo

40. Posted:

I actually read the original post. i had a good time reading it. I feel like it's a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" situation for Nintendo. The Wii isn't going to sell much anymore, unless if Nintendo sells it for $50. They had to release a console at least on par with 360 specs to stay relevant in the console business. Thing is, it's pretty hard to convince consumers that its a new device, let alone one that they need. The stuff coming out for it around launch are ports, tech demos (ZombiU) and Nintendo games. With the exception of Nintendo Land, a minigame collection, and ZombiU, something that looks tech demo-ey, nothing really shows why having a touch screen on the controller matters. Its a worrysome situation at the very least.
Regarding the "how powerful is this thing"; I can't comment on specifics, but based off of footage from every game, I have yet to see something that looks better then, say, Crysis 2, a multiplatform game. Yes, Pikmin looks fantastic. Does it look impossible to put on PS3/360? Not really.
Also, the tablet controller isn't that amazing in terms of what it can do. Gyroscopes been around for awhile. The screen streams stuff, so anything can act as that (just look at Onlive). It's single touch, which has been around for decades. So yeah, not that impressive.
Oh yes, and anyone that finds a screen on the controller is innovative is out of their mind. Dual screen gaming has been around since DS. Heck, it was on the Dreamcast, albeit in a very primitive form. And yes, Airplay.

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