Jazzer94
Ya, but now you are assuming that these consoles will only last 5-6 years, in total. That is why I said Wii U is part of the same generation, regardless of the types of sales it has.
The second half of my post is relevant, because if everyone had the same type of attitude for consoles as you are having for Wii U, right now, PS4 would have come out in 2011, because PS3 was even more devastating for Sony than Wii U or even GameCube has been for Nintendo, and Sony didn't quit and focus on next generation right away. If Sony is part of the gaming community, we still have to look at their situation along with Xbox One and Wii U, otherwise there isn't really any immediate basis to say much of anything.
@SCAR392 It is obvious Wii U isn't an 7-8 year console. On the PS3 point by 2009 sales were quite good, by 2010 (and 2011) they were great so what you're saying makes no sense. Actually go and look at the data before typing responses.
Wii sold better than PS2. PS2 moved more units overall but over a much longer span. Wii had a better sales rate.
Not sure which sold better between Wii and DS but I think these are the 2 most successful gaming platforms of all time because they reached beyond the gaming world. Nintendo can't recapture that but I still think they could be more successful if they could get Wii U a significant price cut. It's much cheaper and has way more family friendly titles is what they are going for I think, they are just priced too high.
Jazzer94
Ya, but now you are assuming that these consoles will only last 5-6 years, in total. That is why I said Wii U is part of the same generation, regardless of the types of sales it has.
The second half of my post is relevant, because if everyone had the same type of attitude for consoles as you are having for Wii U, right now, PS4 would have come out in 2011, because PS3 was even more devastating for Sony than Wii U or even GameCube has been for Nintendo, and Sony didn't quit and focus on next generation right away. If Sony is part of the gaming community, we still have to look at their situation along with Xbox One and Wii U, otherwise there isn't really any immediate basis to say much of anything.
@SCAR392 It is obvious Wii U isn't an 7-8 year console. On the PS3 point by 2009 sales were quite good, by 2010 (and 2011) they were great so what you're saying makes no sense. Actually go and look at the data before typing responses.
It has to be though, which is my point. On the technical side, there literally is no reason to release another console sooner than an Xbox Two or PS5. That's why it's not about the sales, as much as it is the money. Why do you think PS Vita is Sony's practically abandoned product? Nintendo would never let that happen to one of it's consoles. The only reason why Sony DOES care about PS4, is because it IS actually selling, otherwise it would end up like PS Vita. So ya, it's more about money than sales if Sony can't even support PS Vita with money, which is where Nintendo usually beats them. Proof of concept = Wii, DS, 3DS. Everybody said they were going to fail, just like you are saying with Wii U. They make money in the end, so they can always maintain a business.
It has to be though, which is my point. On the technical side, there literally is no reason to release another console sooner than an Xbox Two or PS5. That's why it's not about the sales, as much as it is the money.
I can think of several reasons actually. For one, their next gen plans involve unifying the handheld and console environments, and that solves several of their existing problems such as having to buy the same game twice on the eShop and the lack of games. Also, there's not much else they can do with the existing hardware, 8th gen didn't offer much in terms of innovation and most of Nintendo's IPs have been exhausted on both consoles. Now's a good time to start wrapping things up.
Why do you think PS Vita is Sony's practically abandoned product? Nintendo would never let that happen to one of it's consoles. The only reason why Sony DOES care about PS4, is because it IS actually selling, otherwise it would end up like PS Vita. So ya, it's more about money than sales if Sony can't even support PS Vita with money, which is where Nintendo usually beats them. Proof of concept = Wii, DS, 3DS. Everybody said they were going to fail, just like you are saying with Wii U. They make money in the end, so they can always maintain a business.
2016/2017 doesn't feel too soon at all, that's a 4-5 year lifespan which is long enough for the console to stay on the market.
@Bolt_Strike
They are already working on those things now; not next generation. They plan on going into 9th generation with these things already "pre-sorted" on Wii U and 3DS.
We don't decide how long a console should be on the market. Nintendo has already said they plan on doing everything they can for 3DS and Wii U(including better accounts, VC, etc. things people are complaining about), and that could take however long.
EDIT: Also, Nintendo has way more IPs that haven't used yet, and they just made Splatoon. Where's Metroid, Kid Icarus, Startropics, etc? If Nintendo had to make a Where's Waldo or McDonald's game to appeal to the masses, they would do it, but it's not that easy, especially with 3D graphics. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_Waldo%3F_(video_game) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.C._Kids
We could literally say the same thing about PS4, if people want a PS4.5 that attempts to keep up with PC graphics. Different machines, same concept, different goal. "Oh, but PS4 won't have as good as graphics as a PC, 2 years from now. Sony better get on that." Aww hell naw.
@Bolt_Strike
They are already working on those things now; not next generation. They plan on going into 9th generation with these things already "pre-sorted" on Wii U and 3DS.
We don't decide how long a console should be on the market. Nintendo has already said they plan on doing everything they can for 3DS and Wii U(including better accounts, VC, etc. things people are complaining about), and that could take however long.
EDIT: Also, Nintendo has way more IPs that haven't used yet, and they just made Splatoon. Where's Metroid, Kid Icarus, Startropics, etc? If Nintendo had to make a Where's Waldo or McDonald's game to appeal to the masses, they would do it, but it's not that easy, especially with 3D graphics. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_Waldo%3F_(video_game) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.C._Kids
We could literally say the same thing about PS4, if people want a PS4.5 that attempts to keep up with PC graphics. Different machines, same concept, different goal. "Oh, but PS4 won't have as good as graphics as a PC, 2 years from now. Sony better get on that." Aww hell naw.
I read this twice and I still have no idea what it is.
It was in response to Bolt_Strike, and anyone else that thinks Nintendo should move onto 9th generation, without Nintendo's KNOWN plans being put through, ignoring past events and decisions, or saying straight up prophecy.
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They are already working on those things now; not next generation. They plan on going into 9th generation with these things already "pre-sorted" on Wii U and 3DS.
And they're not too far off from sorting those problems, so it's not going to be much longer.
Nintendo has already said they plan on doing everything they can for 3DS and Wii U(including better accounts, VC, etc. things people are complaining about), and that could take however long.
Again, probably not longer than a year or two. Both in terms of games and services. They're not going to benefit from dragging this generation out longer than they have to, the hardware is one of the big reasons why Nintendo is losing relevance.
They're not going to use every single IP they have, some just aren't profitable. If I had to guess what they were going to round out this generation with, it'd probably be something like this:
3DS:
Metroid
Pokemon
Zelda (we know there's another one in development)
maybe a Mario collectathon
maybe Wario
Wii U:
Animal Crossing
Metroid
Paper Mario
main series Kirby
maybe F-Zero
maybe Kid Icarus
maybe a Mario collectathon
We could literally say the same thing about PS4, if people want a PS4.5 that attempts to keep up with PC graphics. Different machines, same concept, different goal. "Oh, but PS4 won't have as good as graphics as a PC, 2 years from now. Sony better get on that." Aww hell naw.
I'm not talking about graphics (although they definitely should improve graphics ASAP). I'm talking more about how the 3DS and Wii U offer little to no new gameplay opportunities and are coasting on past successes.
@Bolt_Strike
I'm just going to say the exact same thing, bro. I'm just reading what Iwata or whoever says, and they are going to go as far as they can. There is no set date or tangible reason for stuff like this, so why bother saying why or when?
The only reason why hardware is why they are losing relevance, is because no one understands it in the first place, and then draw conclusions from that. I shouldn't even have to explain how ridiculous it is.
EDIT: So basically, if Nintendo released a console more capable than PS4 in graphics, everyone would buy it immediately? Don't make me laugh, dude. That's not how things have ever worked.
The only reason why hardware is why they are losing relevance, is because no one understands it in the first place, and then draw conclusions from that. I shouldn't even have to explain how ridiculous it is.
No, the hardware is losing relevance because it's inferior to the PS4/One and isn't revolutionary enough to make up for that fact like the Wii was.
So basically, if Nintendo released a console more powerful than PS4, everyone would buy it immediately? Don't make me laugh, dude. That's not how things have ever worked.
Again, this is not just about graphics and power. It just needs some kind of competitive advantage, a hook that makes it stand out among other consoles.
The only reason why hardware is why they are losing relevance, is because no one understands it in the first place, and then draw conclusions from that. I shouldn't even have to explain how ridiculous it is.
No, the hardware is losing relevance because it's inferior to the PS4/One and isn't revolutionary enough to make up for that fact like the Wii was.
That isn't even half true, though. PowerPC automatically puts it in a league that PS4 isn't even in, at all, because the architectures and uses for each console are different by default. It really is like comparing an apple to an orange and saying something like strawberries are "superior". Everyone has already discussed this at one time or another.
So basically, if Nintendo released a console more powerful than PS4, everyone would buy it immediately? Don't make me laugh, dude. That's not how things have ever worked.
Again, this is not just about graphics and power. It just needs some kind of competitive advantage, a hook that makes it stand out among other consoles.
Ya, and the next thing they come up with will still not be bought by PS and Xbox fans. If Nintendo came out with mind reading VR technology that was indistinguishable from reality, PS fans would still be buying Knack and CoD at a record breaking pace, and they would be doing it happily.
EDIT: We might as well discuss Dreamcast 2 and Atari 10000.
Ya, and the next thing they come up with will still not be bought by PS and Xbox fans. If Nintendo came out with mind reading VR technology that was indistinguishable from reality, PS fans would still be buying Knack and CoD at a record breaking pace, and they would be doing it happily.
Sony and Microsoft fans are not the end all be all of the market.
Ya, and the next thing they come up with will still not be bought by PS and Xbox fans. If Nintendo came out with mind reading VR technology that was indistinguishable from reality, PS fans would still be buying Knack and CoD at a record breaking pace, and they would be doing it happily.
Sony and Microsoft fans are not the end all be all of the market.
Ya, and none of the 3 are in that theoretical market, right now.
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