Well Dragon Quest X version 2 did come out, and that's a far bigger system seller than Mario is in Japan.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. The biggest selling Mario games sell more than the biggest selling Dragon Quest games in Japan. And I would say they are bigger system sellers on Nintendo consoles. Funnily enough, there isn't a Dragon Quest game in the top 10 best selling games of all-time in Japan, despite it often being held up as by far the most popular franchise over there.
As a singular product the 3DS is doing all pretty well all things considered, but its failed to hit DS levels of sales as well that its failed to meet Nintendo's own sales prediction each quarter. The sales of the hardware are fine as is, but its shown obvious signs of hardware contraction which is never a good thing.
Apparently the 3DS is doing "poorly" because it is not matching the best-selling handheld gaming device of all time.
And I think detractors are also ignoring that the Wii U is selling pretty much exactly like a Nintendo console. The Wii is the exception, not the rule. Remove the Wii from the equation and every Nintendo console has sold fewer units than the one before it. SNES didn't match NES. N64 didn't match SNES. GCN didn't match N64.
At this point, the Wii U outselling the Gamecube is pretty much guaranteed. It may even top the N64. Excluding the gimmick that 50 million soccer moms bought, the Wii U may be the best selling Nintendo console in over 20 years.
Agreed. I've said this several times, but I don't think the growth from Wii owners is dead. Lots of kids still play the Wii and as soon as they see the upgraded Mario, DK, Mario Kart etc., they will want to upgrade. And- 40m 3ds owners- gonna guess that a lot of these folks are fans of Nintendo, just waiting for the compelling reason to get a Wii U, more software.
Things are never as bad as they seem, nor as good as they appear. The Wii U will be fine. What surprises me is how desperate people who aren't fans of Nintendo are for it to die, often exaggerating the situation. Even more surprising, is that fans of Nintendo have let its critics shape the dialogue and now view the argument through the same tainted prism as its critics, thus resulting in negativity and constant doom and gloom. The WiiU has a ways to go yet, but things aren't as bad as they seem.
I should probably just stay out of this whole discussion as people seem to consider me some kind of troll, but NPD's for November are out… and Wii U did 220k. That's the same figure as the Dreamcast did in it's second November, and less than half what the Gamecube did in it's second December. But hey, if you're into increases, that's a 340% increase over October, so go nuts.
Give the Wii U a break. It may not sell that well but you know what truly matters? THE GAMES. There's already some great games on Wii U and there are many great games I'm looking forward to for Wii U in 2014. Thats what matters.
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I should probably just stay out of this whole discussion as people seem to consider me some kind of troll, but NPD's for November are out… and Wii U did 220k. That's the same figure as the Dreamcast did in it's second November, and less than half what the Gamecube did in it's second December. But hey, if you're into increases, that's a 340% increase over October, so go nuts.
I remember in another now dead thread you posted something about "early reports" saying the Wii U would only do 150k in NA during November.
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I should probably just stay out of this whole discussion as people seem to consider me some kind of troll, but NPD's for November are out… and Wii U did 220k. That's the same figure as the Dreamcast did in it's second November, and less than half what the Gamecube did in it's second December. But hey, if you're into increases, that's a 340% increase over October, so go nuts.
I should probably just stay out of this whole discussion as people seem to consider me some kind of troll, but NPD's for November are out… and Wii U did 220k. That's the same figure as the Dreamcast did in it's second November, and less than half what the Gamecube did in it's second December. But hey, if you're into increases, that's a 340% increase over October, so go nuts.
I think the point is that people just want to play fun games, so when someone brings up that sales are terrible or not good enough, that doesn't really have any relevance to how much people are enjoying the console. People make it seem like sales will hinder someone's enjoyment. If that's true, there's alot more wrong here than just poor sales.
I didn't even know GCN did so "bad". That was my most favorite console and I enjoyed plenty of games on it. I don't even remember anyone saying anything about sales back when the PS2 was apparently doing well. All I knew was that Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Pokemon, etc. were on my game shelf and one of my old friends had a PS2 with Starwars Battlefront 2 that I played occasionally.
That all there was to it. Everyone has to be so critical for whatever reason. There's alot of people thinking about something they probably wouldn't have, even if they don't really care.
I'm not particularly impressed with the PS4 and its games, honestly. Will I say the sales are unwarranted or "fake"? No. I'm not gonna like PS4 just because it sold 1 million in a day.
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Nintendo 3DS sales is not doing bad but Nintendo is. I am not talking about Nintendo Wii U. I am talking about a company Nintendo. They got an NEGATIVE operating income lately and that is a bad sign altogether. How to fix this? By selling more units of consoles or softwares, or increase the contribution margin on those consoles and softwares. So in theory the price drop may be a bad idea for Nintendo since they have to sell a lot more units.
this is a fitting conclusion to Nintendo's stupid yet arguably almost (tragically) necessary attempt to run Mario platformers into the ground. I'll admit I was undecided on who I wanted to shut up first, people defending that or stupid people pretending to know the actual issues with a gaming console, but considering this will force Nintendo to do something more interesting and better (which they already are if their 2014 lineup is any indication), I'll take it.
If Wii U can hit around 21.74 million (Gamecube numbers) and sell tons of first-party software it'll be a minor miracle. Only Dreamcast in recent memory had a worse 2nd November (195k) against the mighty PS2.
As devoted fans all we can really do is let family and friends know about the console and keep buying software, including multiplats (Nintendo needs licensing fees and third-party support) rather than people complaining that third parties don't care about Nintendo. At the end of the day it's all about money and ease of development and Nintendo platforms are neither for third parties.
Wii U is a relatively new PowerPC-based console (like the 360 and PS3...sorta...kinda.) Those console took ages for third parties to master (especially PS3) and despite what Neogaf likes to think still usually receives worse multiplats than 360. Wii U is barely more powerful graphically and apparently has a weaker CPU despite being released 6-7 years later than the PS360. Infinity Ward even handed the Ghosts port job to Treyarch (who made Black Ops II), who are now the Wii U experts. And guess what, that title bombed despite free multiplayer and the highest resolution of any non-PS4/XB1/PC version because of install base, apathy towards third-party devs, and complaints about poor performance. If you want the last of the third parties left (in the west mainly Ubisoft and a little Activision) to support Wii U until PS360 die out, and one would assume you want the console to survive, don't delude yourself into thinking third parties are unnecessary and hate Nintendo...well maybe EA. It's a tough nrw design with a tiny install base and very low sales for their titles. In the US try 0.33 percent of COD: Ghosts' November sales... Also keep it mind it was the only version ported by an outside source. You think we see COD next year on the console? Nope. Don't care about COD (or third parties?) We're talking about sales and software support... you should care.
Most Wii U owners probably buy their multiplats on another system (I know that's what I do) but if you just don't buy third party titles because "third parties hate Nintendo" give your head a shake...
Wii U is not really next-gen in terms of power, only release date, and this time that matters because of the tablet and smartphone generations, which are threats that are a reason Nintendo should also not place all their eggs in one basket. If Wii U support dries up and no new Nintendo console hardware is released while tablets and smartphones continue to eat into dedicated handhelds...well...I dunno what to say.
If Wii U does manage to make a miraculous recovery, similar to but on a much smaller magnitude than the PS3 did, in this case lets say 22-25 million units in 4-6 fully supported years, and manbtains Gamecube software attach rates (they were excellent) that sets an important precedent, no Nintendo console will have fallen below Gamecube figures.
Iwata said this before Wii's launch: "If our only goal is to outsell Gamecube then we should quit the hardware buisness."
Next console has to trend upwards, especially with tablets and smartphones eating dedicated handhelds which parents used to buy for kids like hot cakes, but an amazing software lineup and "cool" advertising in 2014 could help. Why's Nintendo marketing families still? Most parents use gaming to babysit their young, who should probably be the ones advertised to. Show the cool older kid with the Wii U at home and the 3DS on the playground and hope and pray that MK8 and Smash help significantly.
The Wii U is factually next gen, specs and timing wise. I've already interpreted the specs very thoroughly and tell you that you need to do some research.
Wii U has a GPGPU. Xbox 360 has a GPU. Even if a GPGPU has the same shader and effect capability as a GPU, a GPGPU will be able to do that twice over. So basically a GPGPU of equal capability as a GPU is still twice as powerful.
Then we got the CPU. 6 years more advanced than anything the Xbox 360 has. It's basically like 3 Wii systems combined, and that's without even using the GPGPU, yet.
Then we got 2GB of RAM. If you look at the Xbox 360 or PS3's amount of RAM, they have 1/4th of that for both the OS AND games.
The Wii U has the same amount of cache as Xbox One, compared to the Xbox 360, which had half.
So if you look at what the Wii U can do, based on all the individual components, it basically doubles anything the Xbox 360 can do. It's fact.
I'm probably gonna get flamed to hell for all this from more people than just you(on a Nintendo forum. oh the humanity...), but I just want to make it clear that Wii U is next generation in the specs argument. The fact that people are confused to hell about these specs and architecture kinda shows people aren't ready for this gen, really.
Why the hell do I even post on here...?
EDIT: I also want to point out that, no one gains crap from lying. What would I possibly have to gain from lying or taking shots in the dark? Answer: Absolutely nothing.
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I'm not, though. That was the entire point of my reply. The Xbox One and PS4 are completely different machines. I get that. None of the Xbox One or PS4 launch games would have any trouble running on Wii U. It's all about PowerPC and ×86. The graphics will be identical on any system as long as devs care enough to make the games run on PowerPC. My guess is that they do, because there's no reason to be leaving out the Wii U on 8th gen games, sales wise, specs wise, or anything.
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this is a fitting conclusion to Nintendo's stupid yet arguably almost (tragically) necessary attempt to run Mario platformers into the ground. I'll admit I was undecided on who I wanted to shut up first, people defending that or stupid people pretending to know the actual issues with a gaming console, but considering this will force Nintendo to do something more interesting and better (which they already are if their 2014 lineup is any indication), I'll take it.
Well who could blame Nintendo for going with the software they did from launch till now. Nintendo is a pretty insular company so despite the Wii Brand being dead a bit before the Wii U lauch, I think the guys at NCL really thought they had a good software line up. Which they did its just that it was so safe and spread far apart that it did nothing. I think having three party games within a year and releasing similar looking titles in W101 and Pikmin 3 didn't help matters.
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I'm not, though. That was the entire point of my reply. The Xbox One and PS4 are completely different machines. I get that. None of the Xbox One or PS4 launch games would have any trouble running on Wii U. It's all about PowerPC and ×86. The graphics will be identical on any system as long as devs care enough to make the games run on PowerPC. My guess is that they do, because there's no reason to be leaving out the Wii U on 8th gen games, sales wise, specs wise, or anything.
Sales wise and spec wise yes. If the Xbox One and PS4 would have slow sales similar to the WIi U did last year than all the publishers would have ran back to support the system. But now with the combined marketshare of the other two systems being around 5 million or more, the third party publishers don't care. All of the big games will be done on the new next gen systems and their last gen brothers, while we slowly start to see games that are only PS4/Xbox One
Nintendo screwed up by going with Power PC. There's nothing stopping the current crop of games to come to the Wii U but porting from X86 to Power PC is something no developer will do to keep costs down. Its much easier for the developers to just focus on the PS4/Xbone/PC versions of each game.
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