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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 They certainly did, and it was a shame, indeed. I'm very happy with my Xbox One, and I think it's a nice console. As for that reveal/announce time scale: if you look back at all the various E3's, more than one console has been announced and/or mentioned well over a year before it's actual launch, so I wouldn't dismiss it happening so easily.

The Wii U, although a bad example in this case, was also revealed almost 1,5 years before launch. But looking at the other consoles, announcing them more than a year before the official reveal once simply used to be the norm: the GameCube was announced in May 1999, and released in September 2001. the Playstation 2 was announced in March 1999, and released in October 2000. The original Xbox was announced by Bill Gates himself mid 2000, and then released in November 2001, so also well over a year in advance. Only in the generations after that, did they shorten the reveal/release window.

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX I mean yeah but all those examples (outside of wii u) are from almost 2 decades ago before a million gaming websites/youtube/Twitter etc. Doubt that would fly nowadays with the impatience/immediacy mindset many have today. I think 6-9 months maybe a year at max would work. Look at how Nintendo did it with the Switch less tan 6 months from first official reveal until release. I think that just works better in current times.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX You're learning my bad habits of not tagging replies

I can't see a WISE Sony announcing a new console this year.....but....Sony's drunk on power right now, so wisdom may be out the door. I think they'd make some enemies going that route. Exciting! Yeah, if the 1X gets a good price drop, it could become very interesting (interested to see what happens next Black Friday. 1S was bargain basement last year!)

I don't see Sony having to keep up with X1X (if they're wise.) They have the industry in their palm because they have the game content behind their locked gates, and MS has little game content locked behind their gates. Meanwhile the "mainstream" X1 is still inferior to the "mainstream" PS4 even for multiplats (in terms of performance, not controllers/online ). Not sure they need to jump into PS5 just due to the battle of the premium models, just yet, until premium starts overtaking baseline. For now X1X is surely the better premium machine.....but how many outside a niche will buy the better premium machine instead of the premium machine with those blockbuster games locked behind it in the next year or two? Part of me wonders if an X1X2 "Premium-er" model will be dumped when Sony announces PS5, just to take the hardware title back. Especially if Sony blunders the announce. Which they will. Because the company in control, be it Sony, MS, Nintendo, or Sega, ALWAYS blunders their announcement.

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 I know, and I'm not saying that this is how it will happen, but I am saying that it isn't outside of the realm of possibilities. It's not like gamers make the rules concerning how things should happen or not, so what they want or need is hardly of any importance to companies, contrary to popular belief.

And if the rumors keep growing, they would simply HAVE to react, either to silence the rumors, or to not lose the advantage of surprise if they do have something up their sleeves, which they probably will.

But enough talk of Sony. This isn't the right thread for that, after all...

So, to get back on topic, but still stay on point with our discussion, how about the Xbox One X's announcement and release, then? Also well over a year in advance... (and that is not because they were behind Sony, so their current position is beside the point)

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia I didn't forget, I simply reply to the person that quotes/tags/replies to me. Seeing as you weren't in there, I simply didn't drag you into my discussion with someone else. No offense, though...

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As for the whole X1X being a niche thing: I see more and more of my friends owning either an original Xbox One or an Xbox One S trading those in for an X, and I'm of a mind to do the same, eventually, so at least on this side of the pond, it is actually more or less becoming the new standard for gaming on a Microsoft device: you either get the X, or you just don't matter...

Of course, that's a load of bull, but you'll probably get what I'm saying here. X is simply the new standard, and the other two models have more or less become the Xbox One Lite models.

And that price drop WILL come. And you lucky bastards also have nice things such as Black Friday, something we don't have over here, although some stores do try to imply stuff like that, to varying degrees of success/failure, because most of the time, the Dutch simply are too grounded to get with hypes like that. Or they split in half, with one side protesting the "Americanization" of their country and its habits, and the other side being all for it. The same thing happened with things like Halloween and the commercialization of Valentine's Day. And the Dutch do like their freedom of speech and protesting rights...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX well to answer your question in regards to the XB1X announcement that seems to be more the exception than the rule in the current climate wouldn't you say? (I use rule as just a figure of speech) Every other one this gen, including refreshes, has been less than a year I believe so that would make it an outlier I would say.

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 And that is how we get to my point and what Sony needs to do, and that is not to be lazy and sit back and do nothing while they're ahead. They KNOW that Microsoft will anticipate them making a stronger system than the X, so they will in turn have to anticipate how far Microsoft will go in that respect, and come up with something that will guarantee them being able to keep hold of their current position.

If they wait too long or fail in doing that, then it's all but guaranteed that Microsoft's console will once again become the lead platform in the coming generation(s).

@Nestalgia Well, here you go then: consider yourself tagged...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX which side has the more powerful box or even who announces first, while important, that isn't what's gonna determine the market leader in the future. Games are. Yes the X is more powerful and 3rd party games run a but better, yes there are great services like game pass/ea access, and the backwards compatibility is a huge win. But at the end of the day the one thing Sony has that Xbox doesn't yet is a stable of solid, unique, 1st and 2nd party "must have" games you can only get on their ecosystem. Where is their God of War caliber "best of the generation" type experiences and are any coming in the near future? Sea of Thieves, Crackdown, State of Decay and Forza ain't gonna be coming up in game of the year discussions I'm sure. That's what they need more than anything to get someone like me to get one. Unless they fix that and soon I don't think there is a way for them to dominate like they once did.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX I'm curious what their numbers are. They weren't expecting 1X numbers to approach 1S numbers....I wonder how reality is lining up. So far, here it feels like 1X is the new hotness for core gamers but for the mass market, the cheap 1S is "the XBox."

"Or they split in half, with one side protesting the "Americanization" of their country and its habits, and the other side being all for it. The same thing happened with things like Halloween and the commercialization of Valentine's Day. And the Dutch do like their freedom of speech and protesting rights... "

Resist! Resist like there's no tomorrow! The toilet flushes the same direction on both continents. I envy your ability to be outside the last decade of flushing.

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NEStalgia

@redd214 Yeah, that's it exactly. Granted, there's no need for them to dominate as long as they remain in the conversation. They only ever dominated because Sony blundered COLOSSALLY on PS3 launch. Yeah Sony only took back the market because MS blundered colossally on X1 launch, but that was their window and they didn't really hit the ground running....they did what MS does best: Cost cutting for bottom line maximization. Close all the dev studios! Who needs exclusives, we have contracts! Sony will blunder again but never so egregiously I think. MS needs to carve a wider niche for itself though. When people can choose between Nintendo and Sony and get access to tons of games on each that no other platform has, the X1 looks less appealing in that that choice locks them out of games the other two offer, but doesn't really open many new options. That's the big hurdle for MS. They HAD the talent pool......and sent them packing. That's the sad thing.

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redd214

@NEStalgia yeah one thing I've realized is the video game market is very cyclical some are up when others are down and vice versa. Has always worked like that but imo if Microsoft doesn't fix that issue they are basically ensuring themselves to be a perennial bronze medal winner lol.

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia No man, you confused Europe with Japan and Australia. Only they have those wrong-turn flushing devices...

@redd214 Games are only part of the equation: in general, and as such also for the video gaming industry, action and business strategies are the main factors that make or break the success of a company. And like I said: Sony can't rest on their laurels, so they will simply HAVE to do something.

I'm a sales & marketing professional myself, in the IT sector, and besides gaming being one of my hobbies, it's actually pretty similar to the IT market, which is part of where my point of view comes from and why I think and say what I do. Profession nearly always influences personal opinions or points of view in some ways...

Either way, I firmly believe Microsoft isn't going to screw up again, and is going to be much better prepared next time around, so Sony can't do another "let's wait for Microsoft to screw up their new console launch" and they better come out firing on all cylinders, or they will most definitely not be able to hold on to their number one position.

That's just the way it goes. Nintendo will always be third or a good second, but the other two must change thrones every generation, according to various marketing laws and principles...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX cool man I'm in sales as well (financial) have been since I was a teenager haha! Games are a bit more than a hobby for me as well I watch from an investment opportunity perspective as well. Not going to dkg in further than that on a forum but you get me drift I'm sure ūüėČEither we will see what happens excited for E3!

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 Ha, always nice to find a colleague. I won't call you sales tiger or tell you that coffee is only for closers, though. WAY past those kind of shenanigans at my age...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX coffee for closers lol, love that movie!!

Just read that xbox is getting Discord integration. That's a pretty good get. Hopefully it goes to others as well. Would be cool to be able to message people between consoles. Not holding my breath though.

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 For me, that wasn't just a movie. At a couple of sales offices where I used to work, they actually had a sign saying that stuck to the coffee machine...

As for Discord: taking all the hum drum concerning cross play into account, Sony probably isn't going to play ball with cross-system messaging either...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX yeah that's why I said not holding my breath. Nintendo should really look into though if the haven't been. Would be a simple way to solve their glaring lack of communication options on the switch without too much effort I would assume.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX I see Sony as having recently adopted (or reverted to) Nintendos' tried and true philosophy of "unique software drives hardware." I think they have to "do something" to stay ahead of MS, but I think the something they're opting to do is concentrate on content. Which is wise....21st century Sony is more of a content company than a hardware company. That's their core strength, so it's smart to focus on doing what they do well. That content focus so long as they're not technologically far behind (and they're not...better base model, worse premium model) seems to be driving sales still, and unless MS surprises with a renewed interest in content that dynamic will keep working until the tech falters. I'm not saying no PS5 in 2020, but I'm saying they don't need to pull an "NX" to distract momentum in 2018, their content focus already differentiates them favorably from MS even without the best hardware. Early announcing PS5 risks putting people on the fence about diving in right now. And MS CAN'T do any hardware announcements since X1X isn't even a year old, so Sony knows where MS will be for some time. Announcing now tips too many cards to MS when it's unnecessary. I would be totally shocked if anything were announced by either firm.

@redd214 @thanosrexxx The sound you hear is just me gnashing my teeth....nevermind the noise....

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 I wouldn't be too worried about Nintendo implementing anything cross platform nowadays, seeing as they have been quite the forthcoming party in that regard, unlike Sony, so the only thing left to ponder is if Nintendo will adopt Discord or not. I'm going to take a bet and I'll say that they will. On what time scale, I don't know, but it'll come eventually. And it would indeed be a good solution for them, so there's that as well...

@NEStalgia Well, from what I've seen, the scales are ever so slowly tipping back towards Microsoft, mainly due to their plus points on their excellent online service, which they expanded with Game Pass and of course that backward compatibility, which if certain names in the business are to be believed, is going to go from strength to strength in the years to come, so what that translates to for me is obviously more Xbox 360 compatibility, but also more original Xbox titles.

Especially the latter interests me. Recently, I tried out Black, a still wonderful first person shooter with some unique features (made by the original team behind the Burnout racing games), that looks and plays considerably better, even on the One S, so that certainly will be something for longtime Xbox owners to look forward to.

And I wasn't implying that Microsoft is going to lift any curtains soon, but what actually IS true, is that Sony must act, plain and simple. I can keep repeating that, and people can ignore it all they want, but it is true. You don't stay number one by just sticking with content or services; you need to go above and beyond, so either they buy away a couple more exclusive games or even development teams, or they push new hardware so that it'll be ready in 2020. The latter is more likely, since A: there's always new hardware in development, and B: that is also taken into account budget-wise.

Acquiring new games/developers, to make them Sony-only, isn't and would probably also cost them WAY more money.

I will agree that they don't necessarily need to announce anything this year, but next year will most definitely be the time to act. Not in a "do or die" kinda way, but definitely in an "act or lose the position" kinda way...

So, you keep gnashing those teeth and flushing your toilet the right way around, while I'll be relaxing in my comfy sofa, while eating some popcorn, and watching the theory become a reality...

I'll tell you "I told you so" in about three years, when Microsoft will once again be the leading platform.
It's simply inevitable.

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX I'll play devil's advocate (don't I always? ), and say that any tipping of scales back to MS has little to do with their features, and more to do with the fact that they released the first major exclusives in years, namely, Sea of Thieves, regardless of its inclusion in Game Pass or not. That definitely raised interested again. I still believe Nintendo has it right: Software drives hardware. And that's where MS has been pushed to second fiddle.

And yeah, I think 2020 is totally reasonable for a PS5. I just don't think they'll SAY anything about it for another year or more. For now they'll drive interest with more exclusives. I also think PS5 will be PS4 backward compatible because MS is pushing them to have to (if they don't do that, the pendulum really WILL switch back to MS!)

USUALLY I tend to favor the underdog....so if MS is leading I'll have less interest in it than I do now PS3 was just so.......bad........for the first 2/3 of it's life it was unavoidable to jump to X360 MS and Sony fighting over who gets to lead is like watching an Ugly Contest.

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