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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Ah, yes. Pokémon Switch. Or Project Beluga, as it is called for now... The suspense surrounding that title is sure to land some gamers a one-way ticket to the loony bin, for sure...

Although I do play them and own Red, Blue and Yellow for the Game Boy, Stadium 1 and 2 for the N64, Gale of Darkness and Colosseum for the GameCube and Battle Revolution on the Wii, I've only ever found them mildly entertaining.

Yeah, I know, sounds kind of contradictory, but it's true. I'm just that kind of person that also buys the games that belong with or define a system, if only to complete the collection of wanna-haves/must-haves...

@Dezzy There's still benefits, though: you can still see the difference between a 1080p game displayed on a 1080p TV screen, or a 4K game, even though you won't benefit to the full extent. It's not all about resolution, but also about effects, shaders and smoothness of the games, and those are obviously better on the more capable system.

As for me mentioning the PS4 Pro: didn't mean to imply that you had one or would buy one, but the general populace does, and they also use the excuse of the exclusives, and then there are some dumb individuals that actually seem to think that the Pro is actually better or at least on par with the X, which obviously is not the case...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX You know, I came so close to finally buying the XBone....but the more I analyze it....I still can't justify it. Unlike Dezzy I do happen to like a lot of Sony's 1st party exclusives, and MS not so secretly doesn't have much there, and I realized that I've collected a good volume of third party games on PSN sales and cheaper discs.....so if I add another console, a lot of my most interest inducing games I already own on PS4 and won't re-buy, and if I start buying some between the two, I'm just splitting my library between two platforms, taking one nice feature of console away (everything in one place.) Comparing sales, for now, it looks like both platforms have the same or similar sales from third parties these days, too (I picked up RotR on sale on PSN, then realized it would be better on XBone...but, is the same price this week, and do I really want to split the library?) Laziness? Sure. But that's why I buy consoles to begin with. Managing 3 platforms just gets ungainly. If PSN sales stop being so competitive though, the equation shifts.

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Well, all I did was give my honest opinion, combined with being a very satisfied customer of Microsoft and both their service and their console, but in the end, it's obviously still up to you, and if you don't think it's worth it, then that's fine by me, so we're all good.

I do suppose that it's not going to be a game PC either then? Because that was the original question, and that also doesn't offer much exclusive titles on top of what you already have.

For me personally, it would always be the Xbox, even if I didn't hate Sony. I find a PC too cumbersome for comfortable game playing, and I'm not really all that interested in most of Sony's exclusives, except for maybe one or two titles I'd like to play, but that's not enough for me to justify buying a new console for.

With the Xbox One X on the other hand, you might not have a very big roster of exclusives, but you DO have the best performance in general, and the best looking versions of those third party titles, the best and most versatile backward compatibility, the best online service AND the best controller.

All those factors combined is what would most definitely trigger me personally every time.

And I wouldn't be re-buying any new titles at all, I would keep those for the console I'd already own, and I would simply buy newer titles for the new console, so that wouldn't be an issue either. And neither would I feel bad about having to split the library. That's no trouble at all. Whether the disc is for the Xbox or for the Playstation wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

And I'm managing well over 3 platforms (6 in total, counting all the older gen consoles I still have connected) and it is anything but ungainly. Stress only occurs if we let it...

So, to me, the logical conclusion is that if prices are the same on both platforms, but one of the two is the better platform, then I'd obviously buy it for the better platform. Provided I owned it, obviously, so that's the only caveat here...

Anyway, I'll get out of your hair for now. Wouldn't want to come across as some kind of persuasion artist...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX Yeah, I'm probably sidestepping a third overall platform at this point....I went hog wild on some sales and it locked me into the one platform more than I was But, yeah, it's an easier question for you, since we'd have to reverse it for you: If you didn't hate Sony, and liked their exclusives, would it be a pain to add an extra platform to your X1/Nintendo? Probably!

If I were just starting out AND didn't want access to the Sony exclusives, yeah, I'd probably pick X1. But it makes things a lot more complicated when you do like Sony exclusives (Still saving Persona 5 for a rainy day....), and Nintendo's, so you end up on 2....and then you look at X1 (or PC) as the "but then the better version of the multiplats" platform. Tempting BEFORE buying it. But when I go over the process in my head of "which game is on which platform, wait which port on my HDMI switch is that one on...." my head starts to spin.

Hands down on the controllers though. I still loathe Sony controllers and had to buy a $100 wired controller to make me not hate playing on it.

BTW the library split issue is more abut the digital library. Both the freebies, and, with both platforms the sales on older games make digital buys a better value at times, especially for games I'm curious about but know I wouldn't want to play again on a future B/C supporting system, or games with an online requirement (most everything from Ubisoft now, sadly.....B/C is meaningless for them.... ) Kind of addictive to swap between games on the fly. Been stacking up on cool stuff for under $15

I'm not out of the race permanently....want to see what happens at E3 for both (Fable announcement sells me, full stop. ) But for now I'm thinking "Why am I looking at $400-500 + $60/yr for an X1 when I have like 20 games for PS4n & Switch piled up that I'd be playing first anyway?" Every time I get "An error has occurred with your transaction" on the PSN cart, though, or a download that takes 10 hours and should take 30 minutes on PS I keep thinking "why am I still using this?!" But then I look at the stack of exclusives I want to play....

Maybe Sony will screw over their PS4 Pro customers and announce the PS4 Pro Professional Edition (an X1X clone) in June. Then we can all jump to MS without guilt.

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ThanosReXXX

NEStalgia wrote:

If you didn't hate Sony, and liked their exclusives, would it be a pain to add an extra platform to your X1/Nintendo? Probably!

No, that's where you're wrong. I made that point already: if I didn't hate them, AND there would be more than one or two titles that I would wish to play, then I could easily justify to myself buying the console, and I more than likely would. But for only one or two games? Nah... Wouldn't do that for a Nintendo or Microsoft console either, so I'm objective enough on that front.

HDMI connections: not a problem at all. Got an HDMI hub to connect all the current and last gen consoles, and my media player and set top box.

And stay in that boat, I'm counting on a price reduction on the X before this year is over, and by then, it will once again become a more enticing platform for you to reconsider. Even if it only has about 30 big exclusives, although if you count the exclusive indies, we could rack that up to about a hundred, and how many games would you really want to play anyway? I'd be perfectly fine with those 30 exclusives on any console. Heck, Nintendo also doesn't have that many, so what are we even talking about here?

As for Sony: they'll probably announce something about the PS5 at this year's E3 or at another convention some time thereafter. It will launch in 2020, and it will only be marginally better than the X, but it'll still have the lesser online service, lesser backward compatibility and the lesser controller, so still not a viable option for people with a decidedly broader taste than just the exclusive titles...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX I doubt Sony would reveal the ps5 at this year's e3. They really have no reason to. They are by far the market leader and even with the XB1X being the most powerful it still doesn't seem to be making g a huge dent in their lead this gen. Makes no sense for them to strike first on the next generation if you think about it.

redd214

ThanosReXXX

@redd214 That's why I said they could possibly mention something about it on E3, or during some other event, later this year. I never said they would reveal the console.

And a lot of rumors are saying that it's coming around 2020, so if that is even remotely true, then starting to talk about it roughly two years in advance really isn't all that unthinkable. And they are in the lead now, but they HAVE to react to the X, and to future plans that Microsoft will have, and the ONLY way to do that now, is to strike first.

They got lucky this generation, because Microsoft made a MASSIVE mistake with their launch, and Sony stepped in after having streamlined their own offering, which actually originally also contained a motion camera and was heavily DRM and always online infected, but they removed all that and by doing that, they were able to go $100 under the launch price of the Xbox One, and sadly, the rest is history...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX yeah I hear what you're saying my main point is that I think it would be very unwise to show their hand first in regards to the next generation with such a substantial lead. They didn't really start officially talking about the ps4 until I think 9 months before release and Ms similar. I think even talking about a system 2 years out while not unthinkable, would be kinda foolish. I do wish the xb1 had a better launch though, they really shot themselves in the foot in a lot of ways. Hope the have a big E3, I do eventually think I will get a xb1 but there's only a handful of games that I can't get elsewhere. Perhaps this is the year they give me a solid reason to give them money lol!

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 They certainly did, and it was a shame, indeed. I'm very happy with my Xbox One, and I think it's a nice console. As for that reveal/announce time scale: if you look back at all the various E3's, more than one console has been announced and/or mentioned well over a year before it's actual launch, so I wouldn't dismiss it happening so easily.

The Wii U, although a bad example in this case, was also revealed almost 1,5 years before launch. But looking at the other consoles, announcing them more than a year before the official reveal once simply used to be the norm: the GameCube was announced in May 1999, and released in September 2001. the Playstation 2 was announced in March 1999, and released in October 2000. The original Xbox was announced by Bill Gates himself mid 2000, and then released in November 2001, so also well over a year in advance. Only in the generations after that, did they shorten the reveal/release window.

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX I mean yeah but all those examples (outside of wii u) are from almost 2 decades ago before a million gaming websites/youtube/Twitter etc. Doubt that would fly nowadays with the impatience/immediacy mindset many have today. I think 6-9 months maybe a year at max would work. Look at how Nintendo did it with the Switch less tan 6 months from first official reveal until release. I think that just works better in current times.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX You're learning my bad habits of not tagging replies

I can't see a WISE Sony announcing a new console this year.....but....Sony's drunk on power right now, so wisdom may be out the door. I think they'd make some enemies going that route. Exciting! Yeah, if the 1X gets a good price drop, it could become very interesting (interested to see what happens next Black Friday. 1S was bargain basement last year!)

I don't see Sony having to keep up with X1X (if they're wise.) They have the industry in their palm because they have the game content behind their locked gates, and MS has little game content locked behind their gates. Meanwhile the "mainstream" X1 is still inferior to the "mainstream" PS4 even for multiplats (in terms of performance, not controllers/online ). Not sure they need to jump into PS5 just due to the battle of the premium models, just yet, until premium starts overtaking baseline. For now X1X is surely the better premium machine.....but how many outside a niche will buy the better premium machine instead of the premium machine with those blockbuster games locked behind it in the next year or two? Part of me wonders if an X1X2 "Premium-er" model will be dumped when Sony announces PS5, just to take the hardware title back. Especially if Sony blunders the announce. Which they will. Because the company in control, be it Sony, MS, Nintendo, or Sega, ALWAYS blunders their announcement.

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 I know, and I'm not saying that this is how it will happen, but I am saying that it isn't outside of the realm of possibilities. It's not like gamers make the rules concerning how things should happen or not, so what they want or need is hardly of any importance to companies, contrary to popular belief.

And if the rumors keep growing, they would simply HAVE to react, either to silence the rumors, or to not lose the advantage of surprise if they do have something up their sleeves, which they probably will.

But enough talk of Sony. This isn't the right thread for that, after all...

So, to get back on topic, but still stay on point with our discussion, how about the Xbox One X's announcement and release, then? Also well over a year in advance... (and that is not because they were behind Sony, so their current position is beside the point)

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia I didn't forget, I simply reply to the person that quotes/tags/replies to me. Seeing as you weren't in there, I simply didn't drag you into my discussion with someone else. No offense, though...

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As for the whole X1X being a niche thing: I see more and more of my friends owning either an original Xbox One or an Xbox One S trading those in for an X, and I'm of a mind to do the same, eventually, so at least on this side of the pond, it is actually more or less becoming the new standard for gaming on a Microsoft device: you either get the X, or you just don't matter...

Of course, that's a load of bull, but you'll probably get what I'm saying here. X is simply the new standard, and the other two models have more or less become the Xbox One Lite models.

And that price drop WILL come. And you lucky bastards also have nice things such as Black Friday, something we don't have over here, although some stores do try to imply stuff like that, to varying degrees of success/failure, because most of the time, the Dutch simply are too grounded to get with hypes like that. Or they split in half, with one side protesting the "Americanization" of their country and its habits, and the other side being all for it. The same thing happened with things like Halloween and the commercialization of Valentine's Day. And the Dutch do like their freedom of speech and protesting rights...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX well to answer your question in regards to the XB1X announcement that seems to be more the exception than the rule in the current climate wouldn't you say? (I use rule as just a figure of speech) Every other one this gen, including refreshes, has been less than a year I believe so that would make it an outlier I would say.

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 And that is how we get to my point and what Sony needs to do, and that is not to be lazy and sit back and do nothing while they're ahead. They KNOW that Microsoft will anticipate them making a stronger system than the X, so they will in turn have to anticipate how far Microsoft will go in that respect, and come up with something that will guarantee them being able to keep hold of their current position.

If they wait too long or fail in doing that, then it's all but guaranteed that Microsoft's console will once again become the lead platform in the coming generation(s).

@Nestalgia Well, here you go then: consider yourself tagged...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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redd214

@ThanosReXXX which side has the more powerful box or even who announces first, while important, that isn't what's gonna determine the market leader in the future. Games are. Yes the X is more powerful and 3rd party games run a but better, yes there are great services like game pass/ea access, and the backwards compatibility is a huge win. But at the end of the day the one thing Sony has that Xbox doesn't yet is a stable of solid, unique, 1st and 2nd party "must have" games you can only get on their ecosystem. Where is their God of War caliber "best of the generation" type experiences and are any coming in the near future? Sea of Thieves, Crackdown, State of Decay and Forza ain't gonna be coming up in game of the year discussions I'm sure. That's what they need more than anything to get someone like me to get one. Unless they fix that and soon I don't think there is a way for them to dominate like they once did.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX I'm curious what their numbers are. They weren't expecting 1X numbers to approach 1S numbers....I wonder how reality is lining up. So far, here it feels like 1X is the new hotness for core gamers but for the mass market, the cheap 1S is "the XBox."

"Or they split in half, with one side protesting the "Americanization" of their country and its habits, and the other side being all for it. The same thing happened with things like Halloween and the commercialization of Valentine's Day. And the Dutch do like their freedom of speech and protesting rights... "

Resist! Resist like there's no tomorrow! The toilet flushes the same direction on both continents. I envy your ability to be outside the last decade of flushing.

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@redd214 Yeah, that's it exactly. Granted, there's no need for them to dominate as long as they remain in the conversation. They only ever dominated because Sony blundered COLOSSALLY on PS3 launch. Yeah Sony only took back the market because MS blundered colossally on X1 launch, but that was their window and they didn't really hit the ground running....they did what MS does best: Cost cutting for bottom line maximization. Close all the dev studios! Who needs exclusives, we have contracts! Sony will blunder again but never so egregiously I think. MS needs to carve a wider niche for itself though. When people can choose between Nintendo and Sony and get access to tons of games on each that no other platform has, the X1 looks less appealing in that that choice locks them out of games the other two offer, but doesn't really open many new options. That's the big hurdle for MS. They HAD the talent pool......and sent them packing. That's the sad thing.

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redd214

@NEStalgia yeah one thing I've realized is the video game market is very cyclical some are up when others are down and vice versa. Has always worked like that but imo if Microsoft doesn't fix that issue they are basically ensuring themselves to be a perennial bronze medal winner lol.

redd214

ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia No man, you confused Europe with Japan and Australia. Only they have those wrong-turn flushing devices...

@redd214 Games are only part of the equation: in general, and as such also for the video gaming industry, action and business strategies are the main factors that make or break the success of a company. And like I said: Sony can't rest on their laurels, so they will simply HAVE to do something.

I'm a sales & marketing professional myself, in the IT sector, and besides gaming being one of my hobbies, it's actually pretty similar to the IT market, which is part of where my point of view comes from and why I think and say what I do. Profession nearly always influences personal opinions or points of view in some ways...

Either way, I firmly believe Microsoft isn't going to screw up again, and is going to be much better prepared next time around, so Sony can't do another "let's wait for Microsoft to screw up their new console launch" and they better come out firing on all cylinders, or they will most definitely not be able to hold on to their number one position.

That's just the way it goes. Nintendo will always be third or a good second, but the other two must change thrones every generation, according to various marketing laws and principles...

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