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Gamer83

1,121. Posted:

Nine months after it was originally supposed to come out so they can pack it in with a useless add on. Unfrickinbelievable. I can say this much, if there is another home console cycle after this one I will not be buying a PS5 until a year and a half to two years in. Assuming MS doesn't have 3 or 4 huge exclusives lined up for the end of the year I can say if this gen has taught me one thing it's to never buy consoles near launch again. Launches are always slow but none have ever been as bad as what the Wii U endured or what the PS4 and X1 are going through. Delays left and right, in this case for an absolutely moronic reason, and companies thinking that last-gen ports are perfectly acceptable. Terrible. The 3DS destroys these home consoles, all of the big 3 should be completely embarrassed. The good news for Nintendo is since it had a year headstart at least it can finally get its sh*t together before the other two. 2015 better be a lot more impressive than this to make up for it. With the amount of studios Sony has anything less than 5 blockbuster first party exclusives is absolutely inexcusable given what 2014 is delivering.

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1,122. Posted:

Other than the Wii I only about two games between the PS4 and Xbone have actually been delayed. Everything that was already known like murder soul suspect were delayed to come to this gen.

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Jaz007

1,123. Posted:

@Gamer83 DriveClub was probably delayed mainly to make it a better game, if it was delayed to advertise the virtual reality, then it was probably a more minor delay. We are also getting at least 3 first-party blockbusters this year from Sony this year. We don't know if third-partys are bringing any next-gen games this year either. I don't understand what is so horrible about this year, Sony still might have more announcements for this year too. Just chill for a bit while you play Second Son. You are getting way too worked up over this. I honestly don't understand what you were expecting to get from a system at launch.

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1,124. Posted:

Lyeah enough content is coming out between AAA third parties and indie titles.

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Enough content if you're ok with last-gen ports I guess. I like indie games but they should be stop gaps not the star players in the lineup. So that takes me to the question of what I was expecting... Better than this, that's for sure. I've bought plenty of systems at launch so I know it's slow, but this is ridiculous. Nintendo got crushed by people, and rightly so, for the Wii U's poor first-year lineup outside of Super Mario 3D World, but at least it got a game in its biggest franchise out in year one. What's Sony's big holiday game going to be? Either a port of The Last of Us or an Uncharted collection (we really need another). Maybe if Sony is 'generous' we'll get both, it is just ports after all, shouldn't be that hard to get 'em on a new, more powerful console especially when the Uncharted Collection has already been done on PS3. Of course the excuse all over the internet is 'well a lot of people didn't play these games on PS3,' and the best part about this whole fiasco? If this were Nintendo the same people excusing this pitiful first-year first party PS4 lineup would be laughing at how bad it actually is. Outside of inFamous there is not one heavy-hitting first party game coming this year. MLB The Show? Niche and arriving late to the party, good job by a dev team that only makes baseball games. DriveClub? No hope for that one. The Order? Had potential but the more revealed about it the more mediocre it seems it will be. A cover shooter without online multiplayer? To be fair, Ready at Dawn has been primarily a handheld developer but still. There's also no Insomniac to help out this time, Sunset Overdrive would make the PS4 lineup look a lot better, and it's obvious Uncharted 4 will not be this year. So how do you fill the gap? Porting over a game that will be almost a year and half on the market when November rolls around. Sorry, that's pathetic and yes, again, I realize launches and first years are obviously not the time the system shines, but they've never been this bad. Not even Gamecube, one of my least favorite consoles ever, was this bad in year one because Nintendo had the sense to get a Smash Bros, Mario and Metroid game out in addition to signing Capcom up for RE Zero. You had the REmake, very early on, to hold things together post Smash Bros. All I can say is Sony better hope Sucker Punch delivers a much better game than either Killzone or Knack turned out to be and I'm not sure how confident it is in that because I've seen pretty much no advertising for inFamous: Second Son.

I know I'm coming off as very negative (and angry though I'm not as angry as people believe more just frustrated), but the fact is, there isn't much to be positive about with regards to this lineup. I saw somebody post it over at PushSquare and it was very apt... PS4: The expensive way to play old PS3 games.

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Jaz007

1,126. Posted:

Now you're just plain being pessimistic about things. Sony has shown you a game like the Order, but you just dismiss it. I honestly don't think Sony could convince you, because you just won't believe them. I don't think last-gen ports make that much of a difference with new games coming out either. Maybe I'm just used to less games because I can't really play M rated games.

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@Gamer83 I have to agree with @Jaz007 you're being overly negative next time wait before buying.

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Gamer83

1,128. Posted:

And I think people are too quick to give Sony a free pass so I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

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shingi_70

1,129. Posted:

Enough content if you're ok with last-gen ports I guess. I like indie games but they should be stop gaps not the star players in the lineup.

Well those days are over for the consoles. With it being easier to get games onto the three consoles platforms, were seeing the paradigm change to a more PC like. Hell there's like 3 digital games on my top five list from last year. Even Nintendo has seen this taking Wii Fit U and Wii Sports club DD at the outset. I mean look at a game like Bound by Flame which a gen or two ago would have been retail only.

[quote]So that takes me to the question of what I was expecting... Better than this, that's for sure. I've bought plenty of systems at launch so I know it's slow, but this is ridiculous. Nintendo got crushed by people, and rightly so, for the Wii U's poor first-year lineup outside of Super Mario 3D World, but at least it got a game in its biggest franchise out in year one.[quote]

That Big game didn't change the tied since it was a game in its bigIfst franchise. Look at last gen all three systems didn't get started until a big new IP came out (Wii Sports, Gears of War, and uncharted respectively) than the good old boys came to do some work.

Early in the generation is when the new or sparsely used IP should be used. Mario has kind of gone through franchise fatigue of the worst kind. All the games have been good to great but they kind have over saturated the market with his fat face. I think Wonderful 101 should have been the key fall title.

[quote]What's Sony's big holiday game going to be? Either a port of The Last of Us or an Uncharted collection (we really need another). Maybe if Sony is 'generous' we'll get both, it is just ports after all, shouldn't be that hard to get 'em on a new, more powerful console especially when the Uncharted Collection has already been done on PS3. Of course the excuse all over the internet is 'well a lot of people didn't play these games on PS3,' and the best part about this whole fiasco?If this were Nintendo the same people excusing this pitiful first-year first party PS4 lineup would be laughing at how bad it actually is. Outside of inFamous there is not one heavy-hitting first party game coming this year. MLB The Show? Niche and arriving late to the party, good job by a dev team that only makes baseball games. DriveClub? No hope for that one. The Order? Had potential but the more revealed about it the more mediocre it seems it will be. A cover shooter without online multiplayer? To be fair, Ready at Dawn has been primarily a handheld developer but still. There's also no Insomniac to help out this time, Sunset Overdrive would make the PS4 lineup look a lot better, and it's obvious Uncharted 4 will not be this year. So how do you fill the gap? Porting over a game that will be almost a year and half on the market when November rolls around. Sorry, that's pathetic and yes, again, I realize launches and first years are obviously not the time the system shines, but they've never been this bad.[quote]

The big game for the end of year is going to be the order. Keep in mind there could be games for the fall that won't be showed until E3. The PS4 has third party support so it isn't being hinged on one game to the point that Nintendo has to lean on Smash Bros. Its the advantage you have when you have the best selling system with the best version of games.

I somewhat agree with HD collections but not owning a PS3 I don't mind if I can play Uncharted and Last of Us later this year.

To your point about games

-Baseball is the second most popular sport in america hardly niche. Also the PS4 game is being delayed to have tangible improvement. Its much better than the minor improvement between Madden and FIFA copies. Plus cross save will probably get peeps to double or triple dip.

-The game is being done by evolution and the game had gotten favorable previews. I like the idea of an action racing game so I'm there for it. The delay sucks especially since it's probably going to be tied to that DOA VR project.

-Cover shooter doesn't need multiplayer if the developer doesn't want to make one. I could name a few cover shooters where I only play the single player.

Nah porting a highly acclismsed game at 1080p/60fps is a smart business move when one if the big selling points of this gen for better or worse has been resolution.

To your point about games that you could buy

January- Tomb Raider HD
February- Thief, Rayman Legends
March- Metal Gear ground Zeroes, Infamous Second Son
April- Final Fantasy XIV, amazing spiderman
May- MLB the show, Wolfenstien the new order
June- murdered soul suspect, Elder Scrolls Online
July
August - The evil Within
September- Destiny .
Rest of the year- a bunch of other stuff

[quote]Not even Gamecube, one of my least favorite consoles ever, was this bad in year one because Nintendo had the sense to get a Smash Bros, Mario and Metroid game out in addition to signing Capcom up for RE Zero. You had the REmake, very early on, to hold things together post Smash Bros. All I can say is Sony better hope Sucker Punch delivers a much better game than either Killzone or Knack turned out to be and I'm not sure how confident it is in that because I've seen pretty much no advertising for inFamous: Second Son.

I know I'm coming off as very negative (and angry though I'm not as angry as people believe more just frustrated), but the fact is, there isn't much to be positive about with regards to this lineup. I saw somebody post it over at PushSquare and it was very apt... PS4: The expensive way to play old PS3 games.[quote[

NAH I see where your coming from. A thing to think about was we saw a ton of games ported from the sixth to seventh generation . but we didn't make a big seal about it since the games were either digital only or happened in the middle of the generation rather the start as were seeing now

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Jaz007

1,130. Posted:

Frankly, I've been enjoying my PS4's non AAA offering so far, and with Second Son coming, I've got some patience for the next big thing.

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Baseball isn't a niche sport, but the MLB games have generally not been huge sellers. Don't think any of them have ever broken 1 mil in sales. Maybe 'niche' was the wrong word but it's not a game that I think gives Sony a huge edge over the competition like I've seen some people suggest. Certainly not a Titanfall-like difference maker.

Also, I think a balance of new and known IPs is a good thing. PS3 had Heavenly Sword and Uncharted in 2007, it also had Ratchet & Clank. I think Uncharted 4 is absolutely needed for this year, maybe I'm in the minority on that but wouldn't be the first time. Given that series pedigree it seems set up to impress more than something like The Order will. And yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with ports if this was the middle of the gen and you're padding out slow periods like June, July or mid-December after all the big fall releases have hit. I'm probably a bit harsher on indie games than I should be because in truth I've played a good number that I like but for a $400 home console I don't think they should be the top games. But again, it's all a matter of personal preference and I'll admit maybe I need to adjust my expectations a bit more with the changing nature of the industry. It's just a bit frustrating for me because I can't lie I'm a big fan of the 'AAA blockbusters.'

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That's great that you seem very happy with your purchase. Unfortunately I have a tendency to get a bit more anxious than others. Even if it's just announcements of games a ways off it would go a long way to easy some of my concerns a little bit. Like I said, I thought PS3 took a good long while to really become worth it, but given that PSone and 2 were, imo, good after the initial 6-8 months, I was hoping PS4 would fall more in line with that. I can wait for the next-gen exclusives I just want to know they're coming relatively soon. I will say the news about Batman today has put me in a very good mood. Next-gen only, Batmobile and Rocksteady back at the forefront. This should be great.

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@Gamer83: I too understand where you are coming from, I am a little annoyed with the current line up but I will give credit that some of the PSN games for the PS4 are great and make it up a bit of the drought for me. I mean I am enjoying the hell out of Strider and I enjoyed Resogun but yeah if that was all that was to offer I would be disappointed with the PS4. Now this time next year if this is the case I will be upset.

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@Gamer83 - I can't blame you for being upset, but I really hope this has taught you to never buy a console in its first year ever again. It's just not a good idea.

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CanisWolfred wrote:

@Gamer83 - I can't blame you for being upset, but I really hope this has taught you to never buy a console in its first year ever again. It's just not a good idea.

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1,135. Posted:

Hell, I regret buying the Wii U 6 months into its life, even though I've had quite a few games to play.

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1,136. Posted:

I have no regrets regarding getting a PS4 at launch, however, looking at my Wii U, I do wonder if getting that at launch was the best idea sometimes.

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Jaz007 wrote:

I have no regrets regarding getting a PS4 at launch, however, looking at my Wii U, I do wonder if getting that at launch was the best idea sometimes.

I don't regret either console. My only regret is buying Knack, Battlefield 4 and Tomb Raider for the PS4. Awful, broken games, all of them.

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Jaz007 wrote:

I have no regrets regarding getting a PS4 at launch, however, looking at my Wii U, I do wonder if getting that at launch was the best idea sometimes.

I feel the same way. Honestly besides eShop games the only games I played I haven't really touched my Wii U. I did have a few games like Lego City, Assassin's Creed III and MH3U but I have traded them in since finishing them. I did finally get SM3DW but right now my Wii U is packed away cause I am moving. Still nothing really has made me feel that buying the Wii U at launch was a great idea. I mean yeah MK8 is coming out but still if I just bought the Wii U say today I wouldn't have missed much.

The PS4 however I am loving it since I got it it my most used console.

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1,139. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

@Gamer83 - I can't blame you for being upset, but I really hope this has taught you to never buy a console in its first year ever again. It's just not a good idea.

The thing is PSone, 2 and even PSP and Vita offered enough right away, imo, that I thought PS4 would be the same and PS3 was more an exception to the rule. I'm definitely going to go about things differently in the future though. It's either that or develop more patience. At this point in my life, the latter probably isn't an option.

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Gamer83 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

@Gamer83 - I can't blame you for being upset, but I really hope this has taught you to never buy a console in its first year ever again. It's just not a good idea.

The thing is PSone, 2 and even PSP and Vita offered enough right away, imo, that I thought PS4 would be the same and PS3 was more an exception to the rule. I'm definitely going to go about things differently in the future though. It's either that or develop more patience. At this point in my life, the latter probably isn't an option.

...like what??? The PSP I'll give you launched with some great games, but then its output declined immediately and we didn't see good games for months. The PS2 went pretty much a whole year or so with hardly any good games, selling on promise and its DVD functionality alone until the output finally caught up, and developers learned to deal with its crappy architecture. The PSOne faired the best in comparison, but it still didn't have much until Final Fantasy VII hit 2 years into its lifecycle...seriously, either you had far lower standards back then, or you seriously don't remember how bad things were for the first few months of virtually any console post-16-bit...and you know why things are always so bad (and getting worse by the generation)? Because games these days are bigger and take longer to develop! So why are you expecting the big games to be out already? (or even announced, seriously)

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