I'm assuming not being a replacement in this case mostly means "expect some games on both consoles".
As much as it's been overdone so far this generation (mainly when they expect you pay twice as much for a lazy remaster of a 3 year old game you can get for 15 bucks), it is probably the best idea (especially with how relatively quickly NX is seemingly gonna come out) to put games on both. Wii U owners get games, NX has less droughts.
@shaneoh: Bah, you didn't give an answer. You gave a self-fulfilling whisper-wail of complaint. And you followed it up with more exaggeration. Nobody here is telling us what it is. Everybody is guessing and throwing around ideas.
@shaneoh: Bah, you didn't give an answer. You gave a self-fulfilling whisper-wail of complaint. And you followed it up with more exaggeration. Nobody here is telling us what it is. Everybody is guessing and throwing around ideas.
@shaneoh: Bah, you didn't give an answer. You gave a self-fulfilling whisper-wail of complaint. And you followed it up with more exaggeration. Nobody here is telling us what it is. Everybody is guessing and throwing around ideas.
You're just acting out for attention
But @shaneoh literally responded with a factual statement. Nothing more. So I suspect the shoe is on the other foot
Basically this thread is about someone reading into a partial quote of an answer to a question at an investors meeting. Iwata was deliberately vague and gave basically a standard response. The bit that people are obsessing over is the bit where he said it would be more than just a replacement for the Wii U or 3DS. They assume that means it won't replace either. That may be the case. However it could just mean that Nintendo thinks of the NX as more than just a spec boost. Because that's what they've consistently been doing over the last decade, it's also their major criticism of the competition.
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@skywake: Nintendo can't really criticize the competition to any great length because they find a new form factor for A,B,X,Y, stick and shoulder buttons every console generation with the expected spec boosted power PC chips. Mario Kart, Smash, even 3D Mario games are all spec upgrade franchises with little change to fundamental controls. Mario, Zelda, Kirby, DK haven't enjoyed much more than spec upgrade in each console gen. So just like you said, Nintendo's been consistent with its hardware for awhile now and the point of this thread is to "read into" comments made by Iwata that were (mostly justifiably) largely dismissed as substantial change to the program, and discuss (with heaps of imagination) how the NX might be something very different from past "simple un-replacement" hardware offerings from our beloved NCL.
@DreamOn: What are you even talking about? Do you seriously think that the Wii U was just a spec upgrade of the Wii? Or that the Wii was just a spec upgrade of the Gamecube? And even if you do, do you think Nintendo thinks that? Or is Nintendo trying to make hardware that's more than just that?
Because while Iwata was president Nintendo consistently said that they need to offer more than just a spec upgrade. And they delivered. So when they say the NX will be more than just a replacement? Why should we think it's anything other than that? They've been saying the same thing for a good decade now.
@skywake: I'm sure you're overly familiar with the expression that the Wii was "two Gamecubes duct taped together". That's the level I'm on here. There is already an established crude observation that the Wii was just an up-spec of GCN hardware that was made by people who aren't overly sold on what they see as the "Nintendo gimmick-factor". Was the Wii a simple up-spec from the GCN? No, but I'm downplaying the added tech in the controllers and calling the rest of hardware package, yes, just an upgrade. But I respect your respect for Nintendo's controller innovations as being truly innovative and beyond the effort made by competitors. Although many Nintendo fans have disliked Nintendo for drastically changing controllers in order to make the main sales pitch not about the upgrade in power. It's an approach I also appreciate.
@skywake: I'm sure you're overly familiar with the expression that the Wii was "two Gamecubes duct taped together". That's the level I'm on here. There is already an established crude observation that the Wii was just an up-spec of GCN hardware that was made by people who aren't overly sold on what they see as the "Nintendo gimmick-factor". Was the Wii a simple up-spec from the GCN? No, but I'm downplaying the added tech in the controllers and calling the rest of hardware package, yes, just an upgrade.
But Nintendo never said that. That wasn't Nintendo's view of things. And you're reading into what Nintendo is saying about the NX here. So Nintendo's view of what constitutes something that's not "simply" a "replacement" is the only thing that matters. Nintendo saw the Wii as more than just a replacement for the Gamecube, they thought the same about the Wii U, 3DS and DS. They're saying the same thing about the NX.
So I think it's fair to assume that they may well mean the same thing.
@skywake: And I hate to nitpick your fine and appreciated responses here, but you've been saying "not "simply" a "replacement"", but Iwata's quote is "not intend it to become a simple "replacement" for Nintendo 3DS or Wii U". The adjective use by Iwata makes a small but true difference when talking about it being a replacement or not.
@DreamOn: NX will co-exist with Wii U and 3DS for a time. As new consoles always do. Thus, they are not replacement in name, but in spirit.
If it was really a third console, do we really think Nintendo has the resources to make games for four (mobile/3DS/Wii U/NX) platforms? Something will be neglected. One could say that Nintendo already has problem to some extent to fill their current consoles with content. One or two more studios wouldn't hurt to be able to make more games in their somewhat underutilized IPs (F-zero for example).
It could also mean that the game system eventually is not something that fits in the classic "console" hardware category. Myamoto has always stated he would like gaming to break away from tv as a main viewport. With that technology finally a reality, NX could be just that. Or, in retrospect, it could be something like that after the NX hardware.
I don't think Iwata was lying at all, and think @skywake has the best explanation though. It's going to replace the previous generation hardware, but not in a wiiUultraHDquadcore definition kind of way. It will introduce a new concept through its own unique platform properties.
Mark my words, that thing'll just be a $300 indie machine with less than 2 hours of battery and if you try to play something remotely taxing on it, it'll melt your hands of ('heating up,' get it?).
Mark my words, that thing'll just be a $300 indie machine with less than 2 hours of battery and if you try to play something remotely taxing on it, it'll melt your hands of ('heating up,' get it?).
Well, I'm not that interested in that specific device. What's interesting is that the market is opening up a bit. PC gaming is moving to portable devices. A while ago Intel released a "compute stick" for about half that price, a USB powered PC that you can plug into a HDMI port. It won't be long before someone like Razer, ASUS or Gigabyte sells a $150-200US portable that can play a bunch of smaller PC titles on the go.
As for it being an "indie machine". Isn't that kinda what portable gaming is anyway? I wouldn't at all mind a portable system that could play Super Meat Boy, Shovel Knight, Bastion, Transistor, Don't Starve, FTL, Limbo and so on. Especially if it also allowed you to stream full games to it if you have a decent PC. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some people got that rather than whatever Nintendo has on offer.
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@skywake I wouldn't say that PC, or rather Steam, gaming is going portable. There's very little content on Steam that would be fit for a portable device except for indies, which are available on a billion other platforms as well.
Speaking about Indie Machines, while I agree with you that Indies are becoming very important for portable platforms, including smartphones and tablets, I personally don't see the appeal in having a platform just for them, portable or not. However, if that platform were to have a strong line-up of exclusive games in addition to those indies (as well as an affordable price point) i.e. if Nintendo plays their cards right, I would see the appeal.
@Therad:
Roughly aye. The Nintendo version will likely act as an extra display for Wii U (multi screen multiplayer for games like Splatoon) and access the Library of virtual console games rather than Steam (I'd prefer VC as I own more of those games personally), it'll let you play multiplayer with 3DS owners too. Detailed it all earlier in the article. Another reason to call it Gameboy too (or new Gameboy).
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