@skywake "I would probably delete my account entirely." You see, that is the thing here. You wouldnt take pot shots at those that apparently "threaten your life". And thats basically what gets people mad about it.
People are mad because these feminists have, to use a term that they'd likely disapprove of, massive balls? Maybe people should find something new to be mad about.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
@skywake: Nope, we're not associated. It her that associates it, although some people are satisfied she got fired... They're satisfied for a grey area reason, , should they feel bad. I don't know, they have the best intention in mind, they don't like pedophiles.
OpTorrentialDownpour, basically exposes bad localisation. While Gamergate supporter want ethical journalism and exposes the unethical. By blaming a hashtag and essentially lying about how she got fired is unethical.
While Gamergate supporter want ethical journalism and exposes the unethical
and she was not a journalist....
Here's a question, what did she do to warrant your rage? Defend herself? Call you guys out? Block people for abuse when it was directed at her? I'm talking about before your group of online vigilantes dug up your dirt file. Because if your movements are for what you claim they're for? She was on your side.
So forgive me if I think those "reasons" for your movement is just a front. Because I think it's pretty damn hard for an impartial observer to think otherwise. Why should I believe anything other than the other theory? The theory that this movement you now claim to be part of is nothing more than an online woman bashing group.
And for the record I didn't at all like the one or two Sarkeesian videos I watched. She's free to say what she wants but I think it was misdirected. I am also one who really liked Bayonetta and the recent Tomb Raider game. I'm not even one of the people who calls for Link to be a girl. I'm if anything on the other side who'd rather the game stay the same. I also read about all of the "journalism ethics" stuff early on but tuned out when the pitchforks came out.
I think it's clear that what GamerGate has become? Whatever the original intention. Whatever opposition to the some of the more overzealous parts of feminist movement in gaming once was. For whatever reason. It has long since been derailed. It is no longer that movement... if it ever was....
I think it's clear that what GamerGate has become? Whatever the original intention. Whatever opposition to the some of the more overzealous parts of feminist movement in gaming once was. For whatever reason. It has long since been derailed. It is no longer that movement... if it ever was....
Eveything with this has been so heavily spun, exaggerated and taken out of context I've go no idea what to think, espically when the parts I'm most intrested about like whether she was setting policy on localization or not seems to be a side story in the circus.
@shaneoh: Thats true about feminism as a movement.
@skywake: She works with journalist. Hence why this story has been spun so much.
People who oppose Gamergate whom usually try to "stick up" for their colluding journo and gaming industry buddie. Have both came up as paedophiles or defending paedophiles, some think she's defending paedophlia or is going to defend a paedophile. In which I am not sure if she will. All I know is that she only has an opinion of laws surrounding CP.
works with journalist. Hence why this story has been spun so much.
People who oppose Gamergate whom usually try to "stick up" for their colluding journo and gaming industry buddie. Have both came up as paedophiles or defending paedophiles, some think she's defending paedophlia or is going to defend a paedophile. In which I am not sure if she will. All I know is that she only has an opinion of laws surrounding CP.
Well if they came out as paedophiles I'd think people would be less intrested in where she's working and more about her going to prison, in anycase this is what I was talking about when the story is spun, exaggerated and taken out of context.
@R-L-A-George:
Read the actual paper she wrote which was linked earlier in the thread. That's the source for this BS claim. What she actually said was that the west shouldn't be imposing our values on Japan. That if it's a choice between having Child Porn blocked in Japan or the West effectively asking for Japan to censor based on our values? She thought the latter was a worse. She never supported Child Porn, she certainly didn't support paedophilia. She said that Japan's laws were a matter for Japan.
And as I said earlier, if you apply that to the censorship of games? You'd quickly realise that she's not the sort of person who'd support censoring games during localisation. Infact on that Neo Nazi website that I mentioned earlier? Some of the "damning tweets" they quoted included some saying that Japan's games shouldn't be censored in the west. That she thought it was absurd that gore wasn't an issue in the US but a racy outfit on an underage girl was a huge issue.
So to answer the question of @arronishere, was she involved in the localisation of those games? Well my understanding is that she definitely wasn't. Because if she was the last word on that I reckon they wouldn't have been censored. A position "OpTorrentialDownpour" would surely have celebrated her for if that's actually what they were all about........ clearly not.......
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
The first instance I can find of Alison Rapp on the reddit regarding gamergate is when she made a tweet that claimed that sexism against men - i.e, misandry doesn't exist. Whether she's right or not, those views are hardly reprehensible, albeit not something you'd want to be saying (as political as it is) on an account as a representative of Nintendo. (Reddit link)(Image link)
Her next run in with Gamergate concerned her presenting a google document of harrasment from imageboards directed towards her, which actually didn't largely turn out to be a) directed towards her; b) Were directed at her, but not neccesarily nasty, and using it as an example that gaming is sexist. (Original Reddit link)(Original source link)
So at this point, Alison had successfully inserted herself into the controversy, and those of the reddit sub-community would be following her every tweet. Any one who criticised her views on gender politics would be dismissed as a gator, and used as proof that she was receiving more and more hate because she was a woman.
After that, someone discovered a thesis she had written that could be construed as a leniency on paedophilia, and they pounced, citing how someone with her beliefs shouldn't be working for a company like Nintendo. Of course, just like Quinn, the websites weren't (and as we see today, aren't) going to be seen criticising her conduct on twitter, and hence, she ends up being another victim of the patriarchy.
Personally, I'd say it was misguided to target her like this. However, Gamergate was not entirely responsible for contacting Nintendo. Enter Jamie Walton, president of The Wayne Foundation - a charity that fights against child abuse and exploitation and obviously not affilliated with the Gamergate movement got in touch with Nintendo of America to report their concerns about Alison's beliefs.
@arronishere: What? People would research them, particularly when they try desparately to be like "Gamergate is evil" kind of stuff. I've gotten so many people trying to turn us on people, in my mentions that oppose GG that have a problem with ONE person. I put my foot down and remind people: If you have a problem with an individual. Consult that individual.
@skywake: You assume I don't know, I read her thesis. Though questionable, she's talking mostly about human children that can be exploited, not abiguiously designed anime and manga characters, that can be older than they look.
Wowie, quite a lot of Third Party Individuals that frequent this site, more than I would've thought. Of course, there's a lot of "I don't exactly lean on the side of GG but here's a million word essay on why I judge women in games differently" as if that would fool anybody. I would love to see this 'constructive criticism' happen to all sides in this 'war', no one is perfect after all, but you are either completely misinformed or completely biased if you think that there would be anything other than a million death threats on the first Feminist Frequency (or whatever the heck it's called) video that didn't have its comments disabled. I struggle to comprehend anyone's opinion that these harassers are the good guys in this war. Have they ever actually had a hand in anything good? Unless of course you're a moron who thinks that harassment is a good thing.
@skywake: You assume I don't know, I read her thesis. Though questionable, she's talking mostly about human children that can be exploited, not abiguiously designed anime and manga characters, that can be older than they look.
I didn't say otherwise. What I said was that her thesis wasn't condoning child pornography. Instead it was talking about how the west shouldn't be projecting our ethics onto Japan. That it not being illegal in Japan is something for Japan to work out not us in the west. And I don't mean the anime kind, I mean the serious kind. I didn't shy away from that or intend to paint it like that.
Someone who has that opinion? I'd wager that they have a bit of sympathy for Japan's culture. I'd assume that they're less likely to be offended by things that NoJ thinks are ok. Based on that I doubt they'd be particularly happy about NoA censoring Japanese games. And she said as much
Not a good thing for someone known to be affiliated with a gaming company to say. Of course it is important to know about the correlation between the increase in Australia's debt ceiling and the improvement of physics engines in games.... they're... both increasing.... I guess....
I've a sneaking suspicion that this thread is going to, not so much saunter downhill, but plummet off a cliff.
@skywake: But I didn't say it condoned. I said people are assuming. Yes I understand Japan's culture and not everyone in Japan agrees about live action loli/shota. Some want try addressing problems.
@ShaneOh a lot of people who say what she said, don't particularly understand much at all. I know this from about 2+ years dealing with those types and I've seen them go up against some pretty smart people. Like some will even defend localization in a multicultural country... (not sure if she would, but some of her views not related to current subject — are attached to those people.)
It would have been quite messy. I thought it was a good decision. This thread will be fine until things turn ugly, but at least I can watch it more closely than the comments.
Well that's the best thing you should do. Just keep a close eye on things, and do certain actions if necessary. Locking the thread would be a last resort kind of thing (if all else fails. I may be disappointed though).
EDIT: Apparently, wanting opposing sides to present their evidence and both be covered is apparently "unfair" for some stupid reason (according to "certain" groups of people). :
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@Whitewatermoose: to be fair, you take Nintendo out of the equation and throw in most other major games companies in their place, the respected parties' actions would likely not have changed. Third Party Individuals would still harass because she's a woman and I'd expect a lot of other companies (not just games ones) would've taken the same stance and would've come to the same outcome, especially if her rumoured second job turns out to be true. All you really get that's different in that situation is that the furore over the games that were edited (not censored obviously) wouldn't have been Fire Emblem or Xenoblade but has been pointed out already Nintendo have been editing their games for decades and it won't change now that Rapp is gone as it didn't change with her being there in the first place. Same is true for Blizzard with the recent 'controversial' things about a pose on of their characters did in one of their games. I wouldn't put it past these Third Party Individuals to move their ire towards that now that their campaign against Rapp has ended.
All in all I fail to see how this has damaged Nintendo's "brand", I'm pretty sure the same phrase was used about Animal Crossing amiibo Festival and that Mario Tennis game but they seem to have survived that, so I'll assume their brand will survive this too.
Albeit a little more clarification on their part other than the statement they gave would be nice, as it would if they stood out against Gamergate, but as I say most companies wouldn't dirty their metaphorical hands in this mess, they take the easy route of wielding the axe. Which is obviously very sad but there ya go.
@DarthNocturnal: exactly, I know I could do without these people that get genuinely annoyed at these things to the point of harassing people and sending death threats to people that aren't in 100% agreement with their overly passionate view on videogames. A victory pose where a woman flaunts her backside? Didn't come into the equation at all for my judgment on whether or not I want to buy Overwatch, cannot even muster a single shred of anything about it. Same is true for the boob slider in Xenobalde and the petting minigame and a few of the dialogue lines in Fates. Rapp's 'other job' notwithstanding I just cannot fathom being so riled up that people dug this dirt out on her after harassing her for months, and it all started over a boob slider.
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