The Avengers and the original 1978 Christopher Reeve Superman movie are both incredibly mediocre and rank among my least favorite superhero films of all time.
yeah, for me watching the Avengers was like watching a soap opera, not a superhero movie.
I find it funny that someone's opinion of something can be written off simply because they weren't of a certain age when they first watched it. If you claimed that Star Wars was a franchise for children, then you'd have a point, otherwise all you're saying is that it doesn't appeal to adults (unless of course they simply remember it with fondness from their childhood). Regardless, I watched the prequel series (The terrible ones) when they first came out, so I was about 6-12. I watched the original three a few years later when I was 15-16. Don't get me wrong, they were alright, but definitely nothing special.
Star Wars is based on mythological archetypes. Mythology has its most resounding effect on children, due to their relative innocence, naivety and lack of cynicism. I can't really speak from an adult's perspective, as I was a kid when I first saw them, and the characters, story, visuals, sounds & music, and the effect of them all acting in combination, had such an impact on me, that I can't ever give an objective 'adult's' opinion on the films. All I know is, if I had to get rid of my film collection, my Star Wars videos & DVDs would be the last to go.
Ignoring the cultural context of a given piece of art/media will always lead to an incomplete appreciation of them. If you didn't see the original Star Wars until 2008, aged 15, it's likely that you'd seen many newer SFX/fantasy films beforehand that would have taken the edge of your Star Wars experience, and a 15 year old is likely less susceptible to the themes in Star Wars than a 5-10 year old is. It's kinda like saying, "I played Ocarina of Time for the first time the other week. It was alright, but not as good as GTA5".
Given the way the world has changed it's unlikely that anything (in terms of films) will repeat the cultural impact that Star Wars had, hence the amount of Star Wars references on TV and the internet - due to the 70s/80s kids reaching the age that they've become the content makers.
No offence, but you must have a fairly narrow/warped sense of what a superhero movie should be.
I'm not sure what that is even supposed to mean in the context of this discussion. Can you elaborate?
If there was an origin story of Superhero movies, it would start with the 1978 Superman, as everything that came before it is frankly irrelevant. I admit my views are clouded by nostalgia, but there's no superhero movie I'll ever have greater affection for than Superman. The cast, the performances, the story, the soundtrack - all fantastic.
Yeah, it was influential for its time and arguably started the trend of superheros being able to drive the sales of big, blockbuster films. It also has bad acting, a REALLY lousy script, an unnecessarily padded running time, and, worst of all, a plot that depends on the main villain being a complete and utter idiot to work.
@gcunit - Pieces of media like that, such as Star Wars or Ocarina of Time, were simply very innovative for their time. The fact that someone might experience them today and say "Eh, they were ok, but there is much better in the genre", just goes to show that they aren't timeless, and that though they might have been very innovative at the time, they don't necessarily stand up as well compared to all the newer, better films and games.
mediocre or average books make better films than great books.
I think not being tied down to source material makes better adaptations. Looks at the Marvel Movies compared to the Marvel Comics, pulling inspiration from the comics rather than forcing the Movies to do the same thing as the comics.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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The changes in e.g V for Vendetta make it worse or not make sense. (I can see changing the time period but Eve as a child prostitute is more powerful.
Watchmen is better.
(I wouldn't say I am really into comic books but I read the two above after watching the films).
Something like The Hobbit I think would have been better than what we ended up with if it just stuck to the book story. (One film). The rest could have been used for the Silmarillion which is something worth doing).
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Jurassic Park 3, Daredevil, and Spiderman 3 were all good films.
I agree with Jurassic Park 3, it's a decent flick for what it is: A fluff film about Dinosaurs eating some of the dumbest people you'll ever meet.
Can't agree with Daredevil, though. I guess it's a functional movie, but even seeing one film released around that time - whether it's The Punisher, Spawn, Spider-Man, Blade, or whatever - and you've seen a lot of what it had to offer, both good and bad. Even then, I can't say that it really was that sound in terms of plot and characters. I honestly never got Elektra's motivations, they seemed to skim over DareDevil's origins, nor did they really delve much into his motives. He just wanted to put down bad guys because his dad got killed? I guess that's believable, but I thought that's why he was a lawyer. But I guess he's just much better at killing people than defending them in court. They didn't even even really tell you what those chemicals were that gave him his powers, where they came from, or even what they did to him. I get that since Daredevil was narrating that part, he wouldn't know all the details, but they seemed to do a lot more than just give him super-hearing/echo-location, and they show a lot more than they tell. Like, did the chemicals teach him karate? Did they give him cat-like balance and reflexes? Because I find that sort of hard to believe...
But I guess a superhero show is more about the action, and the fight scenes are...well-choreographed and thought-out, but were also really dark and hard to see. Also, I just didn't feel that invested when the characters didn't seem to have any reason to fight other than just saving their lives, which I don't feel works for a super Hero film.
...as for Spider-Man 3, goofy dance scene and weird pacing aside, it wasn't a bad film. It just wasn't as good as Spider-Man 2 (I've heard Spider-Man 1 was good, and I've seen it 3 times, but I guess I just didn't find it as interesting or memorable as everyone else. In terms of first movies, I actually liked the first The Amazing Spider-Man more than the first of Seabiscuit's Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man films...
Star Wars really isn't that great, and its strange seeing so many people drooling over the new film not for presumed quality, but for nostalgia.
I just can't imagine anyone aged between 4 and 14, particularly during the 1970s and 1980s, watching Star Wars and not loving it, unless they set out to be unconventional. When did you first see it, and how old were you?
I never liked Star Wars, Star Strek, or any similar franchises as a kid, simply because I was never a fan of science fiction.
(Although yes, I do know that Star Wars is much more fantasy than sci-fi if you take a long look at it, but the setting still screams sci-fi.)
I think it's pretty narrow-minded to just assume every kid has to like it, just because you presumably thought it was awesome when you first saw it. I can certainly imagine plenty of people, including kids, not liking the series. No such thing as unanimity.
...as for Spider-Man 3, goofy dance scene and weird pacing aside, it wasn't a bad film. It just wasn't as good as Spider-Man 2 (I've heard Spider-Man 1 was good, and I've seen it 3 times, but I guess I just didn't find it as interesting or memorable as everyone else. In terms of first movies, I actually liked the first The Amazing Spider-Man more than the first of Seabiscuit's Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man films...
For me, the fundamental problem with Spider Man 3 is that the script is just extremely bad. People simply don't follow any semblance of real world logic in there.
A simple example is the scene where Spider Man saves a girl and then kisses her in the middle of the day, in front of a sizeable local audience and TV cameras... and then Peter can't figure out why Mary Jane would possibly get mad at that.
A simple example is the scene where Spider Man saves a girl and then kisses her in the middle of the day, in front of a sizeable local audience and TV cameras... and then Peter can't figure out why Mary Jane would possibly get mad at that.
Or how every single interaction between them in the film is Peter talking about himself, not even noticing that Mary Jane is going through a rough time with her personal life and career. He's a terrible boyfriend.
A simple example is the scene where Spider Man saves a girl and then kisses her in the middle of the day, in front of a sizeable local audience and TV cameras... and then Peter can't figure out why Mary Jane would possibly get mad at that.
Or how every single interaction between them in the film is Peter talking about himself, not even noticing that Mary Jane is going through a rough time with her personal life and career. He's a terrible boyfriend.
She deserves it after the way she treated that poor boyfriend of hers in the last films. She abandoned the dude at the altar, for God's sake. Let's not forget how she played mind games with Peter through the rest of that film, either. I don't think that woman sees men as thinking, feeling creatures so much as instruments and extensions of her own will.
That reminds me: I HATE Spiderman 2. I half take back my last post: even The Avengers is better than this turd of a movie.
A simple example is the scene where Spider Man saves a girl and then kisses her in the middle of the day, in front of a sizeable local audience and TV cameras... and then Peter can't figure out why Mary Jane would possibly get mad at that.
Or how every single interaction between them in the film is Peter talking about himself, not even noticing that Mary Jane is going through a rough time with her personal life and career. He's a terrible boyfriend.
She deserves it after the way she treated that poor boyfriend of hers in the last films. She abandoned the dude at the altar, for God's sake. Let's not forget how she played mind games with Peter through the rest of that film, either. I don't think that woman sees men as thinking, feeling creatures so much as instruments and extensions of her own will.
That reminds me: I HATE Spiderman 2. I half take back my last post: even The Avengers is better than this turd of a movie.
Nnnyeaah nobody "deserves" to be treated poorly in a relationship, but yeah, they're both pretty terrible SOs. I also took great issue with her dumping the guy at the alter.
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