I'm going to go ahead and use the same quote that I used before: "hack-and-slash has been significantly undermined as a legitimate genre in video gaming."
First of all, Muramasa The Demon Blade is a hack-and-slash, but that's the only one from your list. One out of the several that you mentioned being of the genre that we're talking about here makes the genre seem undermined to me. I't not receiving the attention that it deserves.
Second, I'm pretty sure that you and I are defending the same point which is "2D games are great," but we're wording our arguments differently. I avoided comparing it to 3D games (though there are still quite a few 3D hack-and-slash titles out there) because CoP does well to stand on its own. The whole bit about “I can do things better [than a 3D game]” was, again, rhetorical.
If you disagree with or misinterpret my writing style, then that's fair, but if this is a game that you're genuinely interested in, then you should definitely give it a play
That quote was a rhetorical statement playing off of the first sentence where I note that "hack-and-slash has been significantly undermined as a legitimate genre in video gaming."
And the only reason I compared it to 3D games is that they seem to be permeating the market right now, and it's refreshing to see a well-made game with 2D based action instead. And I think the rest of the review, beyond the first two sentences, provides plenty of arguments on why this is a worthwhile game.
How can they possibly say that it's "about 60%" complete? I don't know the exact process that they use to make their games, but I find it hard to believe that you can break it down to definable percentages.
This just doesn't make sense to me.
Anyway, I'd love MH on the 3DS. And it might force me to buy a Circle Pad Pro.
I picked my 3DS up at launch and I still love it. Some of the recent games and download features have far exceeded what I ever expected from the handheld.
I actually still carry it around with me wherever I go. In fact, I have it in my backpack at work with me right now. Please don't tell my boss.
@ejamer There seems to be a bit of confusion here, so I'll try my best to clarify.
Those sales numbers may mean nothing to you, but they obviously mean something to the devs. It's true that many of those purchases probably came from HIB buyers, but that just means that the game reached a wider audience because of it.
In the same vein, Wii Sports is one of the top selling games of all time, but it came bundled with the Wii console, which means that many Wii owners (like myself) own Wii Sports, but had no intention of actually buying Wii Sports otherwise. My point here is that of course sales numbers will always be skewed for any product, but they are important in the sense that TBoI reached a wider audience than expected and it was enough to warrant a retail release. And the only reason I even brought this up is because clearly people were interested in owning it, so I think it's unfair to say that there's no audience for it.
I'd also like to point out that I never implied that TBoI doesn't fit what I said about indie games, and I also never suggested that 3DS owners aren't mainstream. In fact, I was actually saying the complete opposite of that.
I understand that the audience for TBoI is limited, and I understand that to be the case for most indie games, but my main point is that it's a shame this isn't being released on 3DS. It would have been nice for the devs because being on the 3DS eshop would (just like being part of the HIB) be a great opportunity to find an even more expanded audience. That's it. That's literally all I was saying. I'm not going to start a protest, and I don't care who plays the game. I just meant that it would have been pretty cool to see this indie game receive a release on a popular console rather than just Steam.
And honestly, I don't know that it would sell well on the 3DS. It could completely bomb because the 3DS owning audience isn't looking for that kind of gaming experience, and that's fine too. Again, I just meant that it would be cool to see this game get a bit more exposure on a mainstream Nintendo console.
@Usagi-san I never said anything about gameplay being new and original.
I understand that there are similarities in that sense, but regarding art direction, storytelling, and actual originality in design, yeah, indie games are doing a lot more than Mario games ever did. I still love Mario and Zelda and all of those classic games, but I find that indie devs are doing more interesting things with their titles. They're less concerned with pleasing the masses and more interested in doing anything that pushes a bit away from the mainstream.
We decided to look into it further and ended up editing the review. The executive decision was made to delete some comments for the sake of posterity. After the edit, many of the comments would have made no sense.
Please don't see deleted comments as an attack on anybody. We love you guys and we're glad that you know what you're talking about.
We stand strong to our commitment to review every downloadable game that comes out on a Nintendo platform.
That's why I will stay strong and review House, M.D. Episode 5 whenever it releases. No matter how painful it may be. We do it because we love you, dear readers!
@LTD you can take as much time as you want in each stage. And once you've completed one then you can replay it whenever you want from a level select menu.
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Re: Review: Reel Fishing Ocean Challenge (WiiWare)
@chewytapeworm @A-Hungry-Banker You two need to quit your carping!
Re: Nintendo of Europe Offers Up Free Layton Swag
This is kind of cool, but what a strange prize.
Excuse my ignorance, but is a luggage tag somehow relevant to the PL series?
Re: Review: Code of Princess (3DS)
@DiaperSystem
I'm going to go ahead and use the same quote that I used before: "hack-and-slash has been significantly undermined as a legitimate genre in video gaming."
First of all, Muramasa The Demon Blade is a hack-and-slash, but that's the only one from your list. One out of the several that you mentioned being of the genre that we're talking about here makes the genre seem undermined to me. I't not receiving the attention that it deserves.
Second, I'm pretty sure that you and I are defending the same point which is "2D games are great," but we're wording our arguments differently. I avoided comparing it to 3D games (though there are still quite a few 3D hack-and-slash titles out there) because CoP does well to stand on its own. The whole bit about “I can do things better [than a 3D game]” was, again, rhetorical.
If you disagree with or misinterpret my writing style, then that's fair, but if this is a game that you're genuinely interested in, then you should definitely give it a play
Re: Review: Code of Princess (3DS)
@DiaperSystem
That quote was a rhetorical statement playing off of the first sentence where I note that "hack-and-slash has been significantly undermined as a legitimate genre in video gaming."
And the only reason I compared it to 3D games is that they seem to be permeating the market right now, and it's refreshing to see a well-made game with 2D based action instead. And I think the rest of the review, beyond the first two sentences, provides plenty of arguments on why this is a worthwhile game.
Re: Review: Code of Princess (3DS)
@KneehighPark I did!
And I really hope this does get localized in Europe. It's a gem.
Re: Review: Code of Princess (3DS)
EVERYONE. BEGIN "OPERATION PRINCESSFALL" AND DEMAND THAT THIS BE RELEASED IN EUROPE!!!
Or you could all spend your hard earned money on another classic that's being released today: Mad Dog McCree.
Re: Nintendo Download: 18th October 2012 (Europe)
HAHA @EUROPE, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO PLAY MAD DOG MCCREE.
Re: Check Out These Amazing Nintendo Can Sculptures
Those are some nice cans!
Re: Justin Bieber Surprises Just Dance 4 Fans
I may be alone in my feelings, but I absolutely love crap like this.
I know nothing about the Biebs, but I wish I was famous just so I could surprise fans and show up random places to surprise them.
Re: Review: Pokémon Black and White 2 (DS)
I wasn't really interested in picking this up, but now that I've read the review, I can't wait for Sunday! Great job, @Joe
Re: Events: Nintendo Life Is Coming to Eurogamer Expo 2012
Oh man. I wish I could come hang out with the Nintendo Life staff.
Jealous...
Re: Review: Rising Board 3D (3DS eShop)
Bogged down by mediocrity. Sorry to hear it.
Great review anyway, @Phil
Re: Review: Crazy Hunter (DSiWare)
@Phil I knew you'd have an appreciation for this one.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo to Launch Wii U on 18th November in North America
I'd believe it.
Re: Review: Crazy Chicken Pirates (DSiWare)
@Phil We have always been brothers.
In spirit.
Bad Boyz 4 Lyfe.
Re: Nintendo Power Magazine Looks Set to Shut Down
I'm already having a pretty bad day, and this isn't helping at all.
Re: Wreck-It Ralph Creators On Working With Nintendo And Sega Characters
I'm a little surprised at how small the Pac-Man ghost is. Did this bother anyone else?
Re: Monster Hunter 4 is Now 60% Complete
How can they possibly say that it's "about 60%" complete? I don't know the exact process that they use to make their games, but I find it hard to believe that you can break it down to definable percentages.
This just doesn't make sense to me.
Anyway, I'd love MH on the 3DS. And it might force me to buy a Circle Pad Pro.
Re: Legend of Zelda Prototype Cartridge Posted on eBay
Did no one else notice that absolutely dreadful crushed velvet bench that he's working on?
Blech.
Re: 3DS XL and Upcoming Titles Head to Comic-Con
I'll be excited to get my hands on the 3DS XL.
I'm not at all convinced that I'll be buying one anytime soon, but I'd like to check out the hardware before I completely write it off.
Re: Atari Turns 40 Today
I love the look on the dog's face when the other family members are playing.
Re: Feature: Staff Memories of the Wii Launch
@Knux @theblackdragon Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess
http://www.gamespot.com/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess/reviews/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-review-6161993/
http://wii.ign.com/articles/746/746691p1.html
https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/2009/06/legend_of_zelda_twilight_princess_wii
Re: Interview: IAmThatOneGuy Talks About Creating Paper Samus
@mattatron Well played, sir.
Re: Colors! 3D
@Retro_Hype This is my fault. Review will be up shortly.
Re: Going to PAX East? Come Say Hello!
THANKS FOR THE INVITE, BROS.
Re: Review: Carmen Sandiego Adventures in Math: The Island of Diamonds (WiiWare)
@BulbasaurusRex Completely unintentional, but still awesome.
Re: Review: Carmen Sandiego Adventures in Math: The Island of Diamonds (WiiWare)
@Wildvine53 Always good to get a new generation interested in a classic. And any chance to get kids learning is always a plus too
Re: Review: Carmen Sandiego Adventures in Math: The Island of Diamonds (WiiWare)
@Wildvine53 Thanks so much. Always nice to see when someone appreciates the work we do.
I'm also glad to see that you're enjoying this series. It has a whole lot of charm, just not a lot of substance.
Re: Japan Gets Customisable Club Nintendo Polo Shirts
I don't actually wear this style of shirt, but I don't think I could pass up on the Zelda-style life gauge shirt.
Re: Feature: How 3DS Brings a New Dimension to the DS Family
I picked my 3DS up at launch and I still love it. Some of the recent games and download features have far exceeded what I ever expected from the handheld.
I actually still carry it around with me wherever I go. In fact, I have it in my backpack at work with me right now. Please don't tell my boss.
Re: Nintendo Rejects The Binding of Isaac
@ejamer There seems to be a bit of confusion here, so I'll try my best to clarify.
Those sales numbers may mean nothing to you, but they obviously mean something to the devs. It's true that many of those purchases probably came from HIB buyers, but that just means that the game reached a wider audience because of it.
In the same vein, Wii Sports is one of the top selling games of all time, but it came bundled with the Wii console, which means that many Wii owners (like myself) own Wii Sports, but had no intention of actually buying Wii Sports otherwise. My point here is that of course sales numbers will always be skewed for any product, but they are important in the sense that TBoI reached a wider audience than expected and it was enough to warrant a retail release. And the only reason I even brought this up is because clearly people were interested in owning it, so I think it's unfair to say that there's no audience for it.
I'd also like to point out that I never implied that TBoI doesn't fit what I said about indie games, and I also never suggested that 3DS owners aren't mainstream. In fact, I was actually saying the complete opposite of that.
I understand that the audience for TBoI is limited, and I understand that to be the case for most indie games, but my main point is that it's a shame this isn't being released on 3DS. It would have been nice for the devs because being on the 3DS eshop would (just like being part of the HIB) be a great opportunity to find an even more expanded audience. That's it. That's literally all I was saying. I'm not going to start a protest, and I don't care who plays the game. I just meant that it would have been pretty cool to see this indie game receive a release on a popular console rather than just Steam.
And honestly, I don't know that it would sell well on the 3DS. It could completely bomb because the 3DS owning audience isn't looking for that kind of gaming experience, and that's fine too. Again, I just meant that it would be cool to see this game get a bit more exposure on a mainstream Nintendo console.
Re: Nintendo Rejects The Binding of Isaac
@Maggots For a game with "virtually no market," it's had some pretty impressive sales figures.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/28/the-binding-of-isaac-closing-in-on-450k-sales/
Re: Nintendo Rejects The Binding of Isaac
@Usagi-san I never said anything about gameplay being new and original.
I understand that there are similarities in that sense, but regarding art direction, storytelling, and actual originality in design, yeah, indie games are doing a lot more than Mario games ever did. I still love Mario and Zelda and all of those classic games, but I find that indie devs are doing more interesting things with their titles. They're less concerned with pleasing the masses and more interested in doing anything that pushes a bit away from the mainstream.
Re: Nintendo Rejects The Binding of Isaac
This is really too bad.
It's a pretty fun game, and I think it's super interesting. Indie devs are doing a WHOLE lot with their games that the mainstreamers aren't.
Re: Wii U to Launch Just in Time for Christmas
I'm really torn on this.
I feel like my answer should be "no," but I'm more than likely to go out and get one.
Re: Review: Carmen Sandiego Adventures in Math: The Case of the Crumbling Cathedral (WiiWare)
Thanks so much, Zach.
I do what I can.
Re: Review: Mario Kart Super Circuit (3DS Virtual Console / Game Boy Advance)
@Link79 and @Hipster-Dashie
We decided to look into it further and ended up editing the review. The executive decision was made to delete some comments for the sake of posterity. After the edit, many of the comments would have made no sense.
Please don't see deleted comments as an attack on anybody. We love you guys and we're glad that you know what you're talking about.
Re: Review: House, M.D. - Episode 4: Crashed (DSiWare)
We stand strong to our commitment to review every downloadable game that comes out on a Nintendo platform.
That's why I will stay strong and review House, M.D. Episode 5 whenever it releases. No matter how painful it may be. We do it because we love you, dear readers!
Re: PETA Launch Campaign Against Mario
Poor PETA.
They're just trying to stay relevant. Hahaha.
Re: Are You Afraid of Gnomes? You Will Be After This Gnomz Trailer
I love the line "Considerable amounts of game modes."
Re: Nintendo Download: 6th October 2011 (North America)
What? None of you guys are excited for the new DR. House episode?!!?!?!!!
Re: Site News: Nintendo Life's eShop Appearance
Wow! This is really exciting. Hopefully it will draw even more traffic to the site.
We're turning into a real powerhouse over here at NL!
Re: Review: Trenches Generals (WiiWare)
Well played, @Usagi-san. Well played.
Re: Rytmik Retrobits Takes You Back in Time
I love chiptunes!
Re: Harvest Moon: Tale of Two Towns Comes with Fluffy Surprise
I would pre-order from Gamestop, but they'd probably just end up opening my game, remove some of the contents, then claim that it's a brand new copy.
But I sure do want that alpaca...
Re: Metal Slug-Style Action From Cinemax Coming to DSiWare
I wouldn't say that it's more difficult than Metal Slug, but far less forgiving.
Re: New Driver Renegade 3D Episode Pulls Up
If the dialogue and plots in the game are anything like they are in these videos, then I'll buy two copies!
Re: There's Nothing Suggestive About This Video At All
DAY ONE PURCHASE. I'M BUYING 10 COPIES.
Re: Review: Antipole (DSiWare)
@LTD you can take as much time as you want in each stage. And once you've completed one then you can replay it whenever you want from a level select menu.
Re: These Handmade 3DS Cases are Awesome
Oh, wow. These are awesome!