Yooka-Replaylee Runs At 30fps On Switch 2, Team Investigating Performance Mode

Geez, Nintendo needs to stop being so stingy with the dev kits! Or rather they needed to have done that a year ago.

If no 60fps for Switch 2 version, ig I will have to get PS5 version..

I'm fine with the game running at 30 fps as long as the performance is stable. It would be great if they manage to get to 60 tho. Loved the game and I'll gladly revisit this improved version.

Well, I will get the PS5 version instead for smooth 60 fps.

that is actual surprising since the game doesn't look that great

30fps? Not a problem. If I could live with 15fps games on Switch 1, then this is luxury 😂

Tried the demo on PS5 they actually made it fun to move around this time but Laylee’s new design is hideous, I was never that found of these characters to begin with but Laylee looks right out of some low budget CG movie.

Just Nintendo gatekeeping good performance for their own games

I remembered I saw Shovel Knight was in Yooka Lalylee game before.
What was his role and the function in Yooka Layle?

Still buying it here since I have the original and I get a discount. It is sad tough. Wait to actually play it to say anything but, it doesn't really feel like it's a game that should struggle with 60FPS.

Nintendo have really dropped the ball with this development kit delay.

Was it deliberate I wonder, or a massive oversight on their part, even though they knew full well when the console would be launched, and could have easily delayed the release a little longer to give devs more time?

Either way, it's a poor situation, and I think it'll affect them more than they realise.

The main focus of this game should be the Swtch 2, so, if they're smart, they'd better have a performance mode ready by the time the game comes out...

The physical appears to be the full cartridge releasing in December. Let’s hope it’s the patched up edition.

Disappointing 😔 hopefully they can get a good 60fps mode working on Switch 2, then I'll probably get their true physical cartridge. Otherwise, I'll just wait for a sale on Steam

@the_beaver Seems like there rushing this again, didn't this run badly on the Wii U and the "remaster" Switch 1 got? It doesn't even look that graphically demanding.

Cancelled my pre-order. Playtonic should have delayed the Switch 2 version if they didn't have dev kits long enough. It's like they learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the first release.

@RoboCube nah. The Switch 1 version was flawless (I played both the PC and Switch version). It was a bit graphical downgraded but it was completely remade from scratch, wich was the reason why it took a long time to release it on the Switch.

@RoboCube Yes, I understand they're a small team, but as you said, there's no rush. They can perfectly fine take their time and release it when it's completely ready, and therefore, score better this time.
If I were them, I wouldn't even hesitate.

The switch 2 is kinda turning out to be a disaster bro.

FIFA running at 30, Dragonball Sparking and indie platformers.

They're not even TRYING.

Switch 2 port should have been delayed. Now the Physical version will hold the 30fps version forever. So much for long term collections and game preservation.

I played banjo to death back in the day, but I’m not touching a 3-D platform that doesn’t run at 60 frame per second

@SalvorHardin Then you’ll love the new furless-tonic they showcased this week

At least aim for 40, 30 and platformers go together like ketchup and cookies.

@Ellie-Moo My guess is it's because Nintendo was being too precious about leaks. They'd rather undermine their developers than risk random obsessive internet fans learning bits and pieces about their new hardware earlier than they want. And the funny thing is, despite Nintendo being overly cautious with dev kits, everything leaked anyways and they have nothing to show for it.

On the topic of the article, this just seems to be another case of devs having their priorities wrong. Any game outside of turn-based games should always prioritize frame rate over graphics.

And it's a shame that the version on the cartridge probably won't have this potential performance mode. They should delay the physical release.

Why is everyone freaking out about 30fps? Most ps5/xsx ports are going to be 30fps on switch 2. The original ran at 30 on all consoles. This is a remake, not a remaster/port. Between this and reddit when did switch owners become 60fps or die gamers? Because you all bought the wrong console if you want all games 60.

Personally can't wait for this, played the demo on steam deck where they lock the game at 45, and really liking the changes so far, I'll probably get the switch 2 version as its more convenient for me

@PinderSchloss “ Just Nintendo gatekeeping good performance for their own games”

Yep, once they release some…

@purple_shyguy So basically like on any console, first year titles aren't that much better than best games on last gen console. Same was the case for PS5 and XBOX Series and in the past as well. It really is, when we see games that are designed for Switch 2 that we will see performance improvements. But that is going to take time.

@lumothesinner If you want stable 60fps in all games you shouldn't be buying a console at all.

I don't really care about 30 fps (but their approach to releasing and looking to update later is disappointing) but I also don't care at all about this remake of a game that is still available easily on switch 1 and 2 from only a few years ago

Honestly what were they thinking remaking this rather than opting for a sequel? The marketing for this has been so over the top and the development time seems just as long as a new game, who is this even marketed to? Is their selling point "we know the original wasn't great so please trust us this time we've tweaked it slightly rather than developing new content"?

I was really excited for this on Switch 2, now I'm worried it'll be a mess fest...

It's not great that these types of games can't run at 60fps on Switch 2. Pac Man World 2 can't even do 4k at 60fps and that gane is pretty basic graphically even by ps4 standards. I hope this is just early teething problems. This has not been a great console launch for Nintendo.

I'd be quite shocked if they couldn't patch in 60 fps. I'll wait and see how it reviews. Didn't play the previous version, and played a demo of this on the Xbox Series X, so I'm at least mildly interested in the title. Let's see how it plays out!

I think we need to also reasonably adjust our mindset here. This is Rare (well, ex Rare), so it’s not just “any ole indie dev”. And if you’ve listened to the interviews and played the Demo you’ll understand how extensively next gen Replaylee looks and feels.

This isn’t an upscale of the original, it’s practically a brand new game altogether since it’s a “retelling” of the first game from their perspective.

I’m not really that surprised it’s not at 60FPS on Switch 2. If they can make that happen, then brilliant - but performance mode won’t be without a lot of graphical compromises and reductions.

@Sonicka They chose Unity in the past. Rare was good when they targeted a single platform. Maybe it’s understandable if most of their sales are on PC but if most of the money comes from Nintendo players then I think they should make Nintendo the lead platform (and then port it elsewhere afterwards).

Seeing the footage, it looked smooth enough for me not to mind. I'll stick with the NS2 version of the game.

Also, there are a decent amount of games for PS5 and XSX that prioritize visuals over performance. This is the norm.

@RupeeClock agreed. From looking at a lot of comments online, the casual viewer seems to be thinking this is a fresh lick of paint with some updates to a 10 year old game.

The reality is that Replaylee is really an entirely new game using the originals premise. Having everything unlocked from the off and progression gated differently (not to mention collectables and how the characters move) already gives the game an entirely new lease of life. But they’ve even said that the new areas and challenges essentially doubles the scope of the original game already. Plus the Retro stuff as you mentioned (actually had a fun time with this).

It’s a shame this wasn’t gotten across any better to the audience.

Such a stupid name for a game.

A companie's third game being a remaster/remake of the first is also stupid.

I can see this bombing.

This game is going to need 9-10/10 reviews for me to go for it. And substantial QOL updates from the original that get rid of all the frustrating/unfun elements of the first. I don’t see it happening. I actually loved the first game but not enough to ever replay it. So I’m hoping this is a good game. I don’t care about 30 FPS either, so I’m not lost to them yet. 👍

Dang that was the one thing I was looking forward to with this re-release, what a letdown!

That also means the code that will ship on cartridge will not be running at 60FPS ever, not great for preservation of what is supposed to be a version of the game that's better than the original. It was running at 60 on PS4 for crying out loud!

At least it's getting a proper physical release I guess but what can't we have the best of everything that should be possible on the system...

@RudyC3 it wasn't 60 FPS on PS4, all console versions of the original ran at 30

Was looking forward to the discount with having switch version but NO SIXTY IS A NO-BUYIE……… see, i can play on words just like playtonic!!

Lol, hard pass

@jfp

I genuinely hope it is a success for them but they aren't making it easy for themselves!

As a kickstarter backer from back in the days, I will still get this lovely remake. However I do hope a 60 fps upgrade will be coming soon!

No surprise. Playtonic is borderline shovelware. This remaster/remake of garbage should be a free update. Fix your game before trying to sell me the “better” version.

@theberrage are you talking about Playtonic the developer, or some of the games that "Playtonic Friends" publish?

Yooka Layee, whilst being far from perfect is not shovelware, and it's sequel, The Impossible Lair is widely considered to be a benchmark 2D platformer.

This dev kit situation is just really weird. Did Nintendo not know they were launching a new console or something?😐 This is the kind of stuff that will make developers/publishers move on if things aren't rectified.

@Sonicka I found impossible lair very generic and extremely overrated. But to each their own!

Suppose I will delay my purchase till it can run 60fps.

I tried the demo on Xbox Series X and it was great. High FPS, no issues. Excited for the full game since I loved the first one (first two actually but referring to the 3D platformer one). I'll skip the Switch 2 version then, simple.

You know, Nintendo keeps doing things that make me go "ok, I'll just get it on Steam/Xbox/GOG/laptop". Their loss. Obviously, exclusives must be purchased on Switch 2, but the rest, what's the point if it runs worse or is more expensive?

@Ramouz this is the problem. We’re seeing a lot of examples now of old games or games that are not super technically demanding running way worse on Switch 2 - it’s really disappointing and not a good sign.

I bought Yooka Layle as well as the sequel back in the day. Worst waste of money

@theberrage fair doos. The shovelware comment just made me wonder if you were referring to some of the games they helped to publish is all 🤔 but if their stuff ain’t for you it ain’t for you 🙂

@Sylamp Guess I remembered Digital Foundry comparing the Switch version to another running at 60FPS and I assumed it was any of the other home console versions of the original. Must have been the PC version then.

@Sonicka
Impossible Lair is an 8/10 game at best, and it is absolutely not "widely considered a benchmark game", like not at all.

@SalvorHardin They showed a tonic you can get that gives Laylee her old fuzzless character design back.

I’m so excited for this!

Cool. I'm cancelling my physical preorder now lol. 30 fps?! I thought this console was supposed to be strong! What an absolute bummer.

@Kamen-S 30 fps is literally half the time for inputs to register. Also for most ppl, as the human eyes sees at 60 Hz, a 60 fps refresh is much more smooth to look at. For me with 30 I feel like I just hyper notice what is missing. That said I can deal with it in some RPGs and stuff. But it feels gross in anything platform based. Even if you don't notice it with your eyes your hands can tell the difference. I've been playing Fortnite for years in 120 fps. One day it defaulted to 60, didn't realize it (because visually it'll look mostly the same as 60, just smoother), and thought something was wrong the servers because the game felt slippery.

That is some terrible optimization. Switch 2 should be running that at 60fps barely breaking a sweat.

@PinderSchloss
Or devs still being unable to optimize their way out of a cardboard box

Poor show. But not to worry I shall be playing super Mario Galaxy 2 4K at 60fps, simples.

@Alcea They didn't get enough time with the dev kits

The console only just launched and there have been one too many stories about performance for games that don't require an arm and a leg to run optimally. I love Nintendo, but this is a little embarrassing. Not a good sign of things to come.

This game isn't demanding at all and will most likely run at 120 FPS on PC Handhelds.

@PinderSchloss
...
I wonder.

But lets cut them some slack. For now

They should have just updated the original version then for 60fps and skipped this version on Switch 2. 30fps is an instant deal breaker for a platformer game in 2025.

I wouldn't be surprised if they later announce a new 60fps patch or "quality/performance" mode added. Will still be getting this for Switch 2

@purple_shyguy I'd say that "disaster" may be too strong of a word. Perhaps "problematic" would be more fitting?

Furthermore, if the game's can run consistently, 30 fps isn't the end of the world. You have to remember that the Switch 2 version of the game will be the only portable version out of the big 3.

And, I'll have to say, I don't understand why so many people are surprised with what's going on; console launches have always been problematic.

Limited dev kits is understandable, they could wait.

To me it's hilarious as watching launch title videos of prior consoles, competition was different, time taking not to just use the internet for updates and games dramatically changed in 1 year after time with the consoles, but nowadays, it takes a bit to get used to the console, what devs want to push on the consoles and they want that timing to matter more then the game launching well enough.

30FPS isn't bad but it is odd, it is a 2017 game with more hardware to consider so to me it's kind of odd they have or haven't taken the time to optimise it more.

Besides the 2017 version cut the PS3, 360, Wii U (no idea if 3DS/Vita planned) so it was just PS4, Xbox One, Switch and PC to focus on, now it's I assume modern gen only? Or more platforms?

Small team or not they need to just not rush it for release and make the most of it even if 30FPS is still fine as long as it's a good 30FPS and not a rough 30DPS due to balancing out other things, or not enough balancing.

Frankly, I don't know what's worse: re-releasing a game that everyone has already tried and has been waiting for a sequel for years, or being told that the same game will run at 30fps on the platform where Playtonic Games' fanbase is most heavily concentrated.

I've come to realize that the Switch (and by extension, Switch 2) is very much a secondary system for me. If I go on a trip or something, I'll bring it along over a more powerful system, but it won't be my primary way to experience a game.

While I don't mind picking up a game that I like on a deep enough sale, when I try one of the 30 FPS ports, after just a couple of seconds in, my brain instinctively goes "oof. This sucks" and I close it out. Something like Doom (1993) is instantly more enjoyable than Doom (2016) due to the framerate. There are enough games that do run at a full 60 that it becomes hard to justify buying anything that doesn't, especially considering that it's a secondary system mostly used while away from home, so the number of hours it's used is limited, and I don't need to buy a lot of games to still have something to play on it.

Why didn't they just delay the game on Switch 2 like Sega did with the new Sonic Racing game rather than rushing it out without optimization.