Nintendo's Share Price Plummets In Response To E3 Direct

This was gonna happen. Probably no matter what they were to do would have the same effect. But it’ll go back up. For sure.

Personally, I think Smash and Pokemon will sell a lot and will help to sell a lot of new systems this holiday season.
It's going to depend on Nintendo's capacity of marketing it correctly.
In terms of games they are giving people their big hitters so people can't really complaint about it, last year was Zelda and Mario, this year Smash and Pokemon.
And there is a ton of games coming out to cater most of the consumers, of course, there wasn't any "surprise" and the E3 and I think that is were Nintendo failed.
They should have shown games for 2019 and beyond just like Sony and MS do. These future games create something for people to look forward to and get excited about the system.
Their only hope now is to nail the next Direct that happens around October/November every year but I reckon they will push it to December after the released of Smash.
Oh, and they are running out of cards as well because this year we saw a lot of Wii U ports but, let's be honest, there is not much left for them to port so next year I expect a majority of games to be exclusive for the Switch.

Gee, I wonder why....

Also, yeah, what about Labo? I figured they would show another kit off or something? Perhaps that'll be a Treehouse announcement

This could be prevented by showing Animal Crossing.

Investors needed that Animal Crossing game because it has the only gaming character they can relate to: Tom Nook.

My only complaint was that they didn’t even mention Animal Crossing. Other than that, I loved it and I’m not even that big of a Smash fan.

Honestly I was hoping for more third party support. I figured more companies would try to Port games until they could get on a development cycle with the Switch. E3 was underwhelming from Nintendo for me. The Mech game is the only interest I have. Maybe Ark.. Smash is a maybe, but Nintendo better have some surprises up it's sleeve. 2018 seems to be turning into a dud.

That was a horrible E3 for them imo so not surprised at all!

I think that spending so much time on Smash (To the extent of nattering about Wii fit trainer’s face details) gave the vibe that there’s not much else to announce, and that would have casual observers worried.

It is not an exciting year for releases unless they have some surprises. Smash didn't sell Wii U units and it won't sell Switches either. I like Smash but I'm glad I own other systems for the rest of the year.

@Savino 100000000000000% agreed.

Nintendo's E3 didn't do a lot for me really, am thinking of getting a PS4 but there's still good games on the horizon for Switch.

Sounds like investors wanted a traditional Animal Crossing game for Switch, too.

EDIT: Actually, maybe Nintendo stock went down because Sakurai admitted he saw three bugs in Smash Bros. Ultimate during the Invitationals. And then investers said to Nintendo, “Wait, you’re saying the new Smash game’s not finished yet?! You said it was coming out in December. HELLO! The clock is ticking!!”

Their two biggest holiday releases include an enhanced version of Smash and an extremely bland Pokémon remake that costs more and yet contains substantially less content than the 3DS games.

I have no doubt that there's plenty to keep me busy this year, and there is certainly no shortage of software, but in terms of AAA software and killer apps? Nintendo have lead a very poor showing in terms of first party software.

I'm not going to say that Nintendo failed because they failed to show one specific game. But the large amount of games that they gave absolutely no message on whatsoever has caused this. No discussion whatsoever of a new Animal Crossing game. No discussion of a new Zelda coming. No discussion on Pikmin 4, a game apparently near finalized. No discussion on Metroid Prime 4. No discussion on Yoshi. No discussion of Pokemon Generation 8. No discussion of Star Fox. No discussion of FZero.
And among these issues, there were also other games expected to be announced coming to switch. Whatever happened to Spyro Reignited? Is it not coming at all? Could we have confirm or deny on Kingdom Hearts 3? How about that Final Fantasy 15? Is it still coming at all? Is it going to be the crummy mobile version? At some point it has to be Nintendo's job to reach out to these other companies. Nintendo has failed this year. They failed their shareholders, they failed themselves, and they failed their fans. As simple as that.

@Savino AGREE LMAO

Perfect time to infest, they are gonne skyrocket again soon.

@Savino Metroid games don’t sell well so that wouldn’t have helped.

Seeing no one from EA to Sony had a stellar showing, especially for 2018, I would guess the whole games market is going to lose share price.

I was very disappointed with the direct this year , too much on smash Bros and not enough on anything else. I am happy for all the smash Bros fans however I can't believe there is still nothing on animal crossing .
I know there are still two days of treehouse left but I can't see anything exciting coming from it , I would love to be wrong though. 😕

2018 was clearly about getting Smash Bros. and the Let's Go Pokemon games out, and Nintendo was and still is banking on them being mega hits. It also makes sense now when you think about the marketing Mario Tennis Aces and the Wii U ports have been getting. Nintendo really did need them to sell well. I think everybody was expecting more major third party releases and it didn't happen.

The thing is, Let's Go could have ridiculous sales potential. And this SSB Ultimate game is clearly going to be the ultimate SSB. It oughta sell. I'm thinking the stock market is getting too jittery and needs to calm down.

So what you're saying is buy now while it's low and sell later when pokemon comes out and it's high?

It's what she deserves.

According to Chinese Zodiac, this year is Earth Dog while Nintendo company zodiac is Ox (1889). It said, to be success Nintendo should care more games that emphasis on Fashion or Custom Design, that means Animal Crossing. If Nintendo announce at least teaser of Animal Crossing for Switch, i'm sure it will build more Hype.

Note: i'm not Fortune teller but i tried to find out from Chinese Zodiac prophecy.

@wazlon I thought Horizon was a PS4 exclusive

@wazlon "on the horizon for Switch"

Horizon is on PS4, not the Switch. Also you can pick up the first 3 Uncharted games usually for $5 on sale on PSN. And 8 - count'em 8 - Kingdom Hearts games for $100. And I just bought The Witcher 3 Complete for $20. PS4 would be a big investment but there are so many games so cheap you make up the money in software savings. And many ports coming to Switch usually are half price that week on PS4, that's Sony's thing it seems.

@Anti-Matter That has to be the most out there "Animal Crossing please!!!" I've seen so far

@SmaggTheSmug ninja'd

I don't think there is any one as critical about Nintendo as Nintendo investors and Nintendo fans. Every year at E3 time we get the same massive levels of speculation and then after the presentation, share prices goes down and the fans complain that [Insert Game Here] was not shown. It is the same EVERY year and never fails to bring a smile to my face.

@Savino haha I agree with that!

Not surprised. I just hope they have announcements held back, although that wouldn't make sense when so many watch E3. The Switch has done amazingly well, but they can't afford to have lulls like Wii U.

Honestly YES Nintendo IP is very important to the investors but we are in competition with other consoles. We need to show 3rd party competence. Other than a few other E3 presentations announcing games that are coming to the Switch, Nintendo really didn't announce anything groundbreaking. While Smash Bros. and Pokémon will be money makers it's not catching the attention of a much broader audience. I wouldn't be surprised if Fortnite alone makes investors change their mind based on volume of players that will flock to that, at least until Android gets it.

@Anti-Matter "Fashion or Custom Design"

But if Nitnedo had announced a Switch port of AC: Happy Home Designer at E3 instead of a new AC game the stock price would have gone down even more.

Of course it did. They didn’t reveal any new first-party titles except for Mario Party. That’s pretty sad.

I wasn’t completely disappointed with the direct, but with no sign of Metroid, Nothing from Retro Studios, no online service info, and no more ports to hold us over through the end of the year I’m a little concerned.

Investment Analyst: "With a muted showing at E3 this year, we'll show you what to expect, after this break. But first, here's some SMASH"

I'm interested in a few things. Grim Fandango is nice, and that's not even Nintendo. I'm glad comment sections from the far reaches of the internet don't equally influence business decisions. You'd think Nintendo just drop kicked 37 babies with cleft pallets.

@youkoaoshi
Smash will definitely sell a lot of systems... Pokemon too.

Although the presentation was a let down I think the releases for the rest of the year still look solid. I think ntdoy will rebound once the games start flowing.

Well Nintendo dropped the ball and 3rd party never showed up... not sure why anyone be surprised.

That said, still games from NIS and Sega that will keep me happy short term. But 2nd half 2018 release schedule is thin at best;;; and the first half was awful. Not a great year. Why you never put all your eggs in one basket.

It was a disappointing e3 presentation - very disappointing. Games that are previously announced and expected have vanished off the radar and only a MARIO party game was announced really.

All eggs in the smash basket.

Hmmmmm.

I'm torn between -

buy the rumour then sell the news - which means the stock price was going to go down after E3 regardless of what they showed

and

it doesn't seem to be about E3, it seems to be about slowed hardware and software sales and probably losing money on all of those unsold Project Giant Robo Labo kits (I think the variety pack is selling ok based on Twitter posts)

E3 did suck though at building the hype for anyone besides SSB and Mario Party fans. And while I know there are a lot of SSB fans, I believe they are still all playing Melee.

I honestly dont' think any companies stock ever goes up after E3, well maybe Sony after 2016's vaporware show, b/c nobody is ever satisfied with what's show. But maybe it doesn't need to go down that much if they showed something. Or SSBU releases end of September to get people to pay for the online subscription service.

Will people pay for online for Super Mario Party? Does that even have online? Why launch a paid online service during a month that has no online games releasing?

Their shares also dropped after the reveal of the Switch.

Not to be negative, but from the most part, the majority of Nintendo's investors seem to be businessmen whose understanding of video games and their market is basically encapsulated by "We see popular mobile games make money, and we want some" In the past, the shares jumped for every weak mobile release while announcements for later successes were completely overlooked. Why continue to worry about investor predictions?
Also, it pains me to see how no matter what Nintendo shows, there's no end to the demands for the things they haven't made and backlash when such isn't announced.

No killer app for online service?
Splatoon fans are fiercely loyal, assuming we can keep the hackers under control. Fortnite and smash will also require the service. Nintendo will be just fine.

The thing that makes me the most sad is that the rumour that Bayonetta 3 is coming out in Summer is clearly not happening. We haven't had any information on it at all

It was necessary to announce the game Metroid Prime 4.

This is very easy . As main console Switch is losing now, because there is no big third party titles and new system seller games. As portable - it's strong, but screen resolution , battery and hardware is not great . New games can save the situation , but if it lack on hardware and software (no browser , youtube , netflix in 2018!) there is only one way - down

Dear Nintendo, we should make Switch VR Headset that makes increase of sales. Love Reggie.

Pretty sure this happens every year.

"Breaking News", this week share prices went down.
Next week more "Breaking News" share prices go up. Sigh
Call me when you have something newsworthy to report.
Back to playing Hollow Knight.

Dear Nintendo fans, we should add Godzilla the game on my Nintendo Switch is much more playable Monster over there. Love Reggie.

I'm sure Smash Bros and Pokemon will sell well on the Switch but that Smash Bros half of it just dragged on more then it should have. I feel like all the minor details that pro players will care about could have been its own direct.

They showed us nothing new from the upcoming new Pokemon games.

No mention of a New Animal Crossing which is weird considering they showed us last year they were working on a new Metroid but showed nothing this year.

No news on what Retro next project is.

No new information on their online service which should have had a spot considering not well received the first announcement was.

Nothing new of that Yoshi game that was revealed last year.

The third party stuff was great but they really need the next Call of Duty, Battlefield, or Assassins Creed game on their. Whether you're a fan of those games or not, they are AAA games that Nintendo should try harder to get on the Switch.

I feel like if you're not a Pokemon fan or Smash fan then this direct just sucked. Yeah they could annocune new games later but E3 is like Prime Time where game fans and news journalist are watching and reporting.

After a new Zelda and Mario game last year, I was scared they wouldn't have the best lineup this year, I feel like the next direct will show most of the titles they didn't show at e3, and until then, I'm good, I have so many games I still need to play, and more than enough than I still want to get, so I'm ok with this

@Candido0411

I agree. Their approach is still "here's what's coming soon, stay tuned for more", when it needs to be "here's what's coming soon, and here's plenty more to look forward to in the future!

What they really need to do is expand their ability to produce quality content faster, since not as many third party games are filling in the gaps. Other than Monolith Soft opening a new studio, we haven't heard much about expansion (other than the theme park, but that's not going to produce games).

Just give me windwaker for switch and i forgive.

well that's because it was lackluster as crap. i stopped watching because it was so forgettable.

I'm sure it'll go back up. This is in the news every week now and it just goes back up again. Imo this E3 conference was an 7.5/10. Nintendo told us what they would be focusing on and they delivered. However, i did want to see some Metroid Prime 4. As for Animal Crossing i don't care at all for that. They also will have some popular games like Fortnite, FighterZ,and the World Ends With You: Final Remix. It was mine and your own fault if you hyped yourself up for games that were never confirmed to be shown (cough Final Fantasy VII remake at Square Enix's conference), although i was pretty sure it was going to be shown. Also, they haven't shown a lot of Pokemon Let's Go, so we can't call it trash yet. Overall i was satisfied and i can't wait for Smash Ultimate to come.

Jurassic World Evolution on my Nintendo Switch doesn't release this game. I'm so sadly,

Yeah I'm not that suprised, the third party games were good but were slightly random and not really what people asked for. Fortnite was the worst kept secret ever and the we knew almost every other game except Mario Party, which is fun but not a system seller. And FE isn't going to release until next year!

Pokémon and Smash Bros (and I was suprised that they made Smash look interesting!) will sell systems but we're going to be a little bored until then.

Yeah, Nintendo was very underwhelming this year. Smash won't push consoles, if it could it might have saved the Wii U. They just announced DLC, a few games no one cares about. No real 3rd party support. Nothing unexpected, nothing worth buying for the Holidays, just meh all over the place.

Well, when your main showing is a Smash equivalent of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (complete with DK's bugged-out eyes), and you barely give any attention to games that might spark interest, like FE: Three Houses and The World Ends with You, not to mention the Demon X Machina thing, it's hardly surprising. Plus the presentation in general was lacking--bored presenters with no enthusiasm, and really, Let's Go looks charming, but definitely doesn't need 50 minutes of demonstration. As far as the other factors, Nintendo failed on its promise of a major title every month and apparently has no decent first party software until Super Mario Party--which is fun, but not a must-have. Labo was a disaster from the first reveal, and the only thing that could have saved it was some incentive to actually make people want to continue messing around with it, so that's no surprise either.

As far as my own enjoyment, there certainly is plenty of content on the Switch between now and August. Not so much afterwards, but who has time to clear out that kind of backlog anyway in such a short span of time? Still, some reason to continue being excited about the Switch into next year would have been nice, and I'm glad I still have a 3DS and Vita backlog to deal with too.

Nintendo Switch is walk away godzilla the game, digimon and kingdom hearts game. Please Nintendo do not be a failure.

FE is a fox-like creature is the best cutest of all time.

Smash will sell a ton and Pokemon will do well (even though there are many who aren’t interested in it). I understand why shareholders weren’t impressed but I think Nintendo’s holiday will be fine.

Probably the weakest e3 from Nintendo i have seen

I really wanted to be starfox the starlink. Love Nintendo.

Basically ZERO significant third party support. Nintendo doesn't have a great track record when they go it alone.

I'm sure Yoshi and FE were delayed simply so Nintendo could spread out releases.

Stocks are always fickle, but I gotta say the do have a point about the online service launching for basically no reason. I don't really get why they can't wait until November when Let's Go comes out, or something with online significance.

If think the Nintendo make this Promises game.

People buying nintendo hardware and then complaining about lack of big 3rd party games. When will people ever learn?

If you want 3rd parties buy an Xbox or PS4 also. Not ideal for you people but That's the reality folks.

Hardly surprising really.

For anyone who isn't particularly interested in Smash Bros (like me) there wasn't an awful lot to get excited about. It was mainly just little snippets about games we already knew about.

A reveal of a 2D Mario game New Super Mario Bros Galaxy for example would have turned a few heads

@smithpa01

"Probably the weakest e3 from Nintendo i have seen"

Lol, no. It certainly wasn't a good E3 I'll give you that, but the worst one was absolutely E3 2015, the year Nintendo straight up abandoned the Wii U. Headlines included Star Fox Zero, Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival and a Mario Tennis that basically had nothing in it. We found the bottom that year.

The only thing that ticked my wicket was Fire Emblem. I just hope they show more in the treehouse

Was to be expected ,but how many exclusive do the other two consoles get this year? Most stuff announced for next year , and a seriously underestimating how smash will increase sales.

So what did Nintendo Wii successful this game past years ago. Tell about Remember.

@youkoaoshi always been my thought too. People seem to think that smash will sell millions more Switches, if that was the case Wii U would have been a huge success.

@youkoaoshi Yeah, because the Wii U was a piece of FLUFF that nobody wanted. You just gonna ignore all of the Wii, Gamecube, and Nintendo 64 consoles that Smash has helped bring into peoples homes? So ignorant.

Smash and a gimmicky Pokemon will allow them to meet sales. I'm very disappointed in their 2018 lineup as a fan, but I don't think it will hurt their bottom line because they have those two heavy hitters

@nolil is this comment a puzzle to solve?

In this topic, no one understands development times and how 2017 was unprecedented to begin with.

Also in this topic people think their one game would been THE game to amp people up and lists literally the remaining selling franchises.

And if this was the case for 2018, 2019 E3 would been far worse in comparison.

Acting like Smash isn't going to sell Switches because it didn't sell WiiU consoles is disingenuous! The Switch is a better console with more to offer that has a great reputation and excellent marketing. It also has way more games to play than Wii U had at the time of Smash's launch! Plus, Pokemon Let's Go appeals to a pretty broad audience and I think will bring in some GO players. Nobody likes to predict the death of Nintendo more than Nintendo fans, but I don't see this Xmas being anything short of great for Ninty.

@T-Donor66 so you say nobody wanted Wii U, yet you say smash helped bring in the other consoles in to people's homes. So if smash is that much of a system seller it would of sold Wii U's
You say Wii U was a piece of FLUFF, your opinion, but using your opinion as fact is ignorant.

I think all of the raised points are legitimate, that said 2017 was really a one-of-a-kind year for Switch, so expectations were maybe too high

Everything going as I expected so far. Give it time, they’ll bust through this sophomore slump.

@Savino,

I doubt that has anything to do with it,the prime games have never been big sellers.

@Kogorn733 Showing stuff too far in the future can backfire. People are excited during E3 but that excitement dies quickly. Showing games too far off can kill hype around the game. A good example is the Last Guardian. I think Nintendo’s strategy is better.

Nintendo has recently invested in Cygames so we may see more of a partnership with them. Maybe not to the extent of intelligent systems or Hal, but I would be surprised if we didn’t see games from them. Also, Nintendo is able to pump out more games cause they are only supporting one machine.

I’m just waiting for the other 2 treehouses to be over just to watch the stock rise again after some secret reveal they’ve been holding back. I’m not surprised or disappointed at all by this, but I think Nintendo do have some secrets that they will reveal.
A lot of people have forgot Nintendo said the focus would be on Smash so of course they’d show a lot of it but I admit they could have shown just a few more games or even more details for the games they’d shown.

The biggest disappointment for me was the lack of a third party presence. I figured Switch sales were strong enough to merit more support. Where was Blizzard? What happened to Bethesda? Did Doom and Skyrim perform so poorly all we could get was a mobile game this time around?

Doomed.

Surprising no one.

@Loonyhed There is no way Nintendo can win with these things.
"I want some new games and more information on Smash"
[Watch E3 2018]
"That was too much Smash information and where is Metroid 4 and Animal Crossing"
[They show M4 and a new game by Retro Studios]
"I knew M4 would be rubbish if made by anyone other than Retro and their new IP does not live up to my high expectations. And where is Anim Xing?"
[M4 is amazing, Retro game is amazing and they show off Anim Xing]
"How long do we have to wait for a new Zelda game? Where is all the third party support? I never liked Anim Xing."

And on and on and on....

I don't understand why so many seem to think this E3 was terrible for Nintendo. They still showed off a sizable chunk of content as well as some unexpected surprises. Heck it looks like we are still getting some new game announcements right now. Personally I think people have been kinda spoiled from last years output. Let's Go Pikachu and Evee will probably sell like crazy and Smash has the capability to sell a lot of systems as well. Now some have claimed Smash didn't save Wii U but the difference here is people actually know Switch exists for one thing.

There is probably a reason they didn't show Metroid, Animal Crossing, or Yoshi probably cause those games are either not ready to show yet or they want to focus on them for a future direct.

At the end of the day they did say this E3 would be primarily smash focused and thats what they did

Nintendo should release a dock with it's own GPU that allows developers to make AAA games for Switch. Yeah I get it, it's odd to have a separate library of games that you can only play when docked and honestly I don't need most of the games that are skipping the switch, but in terms of business they need to make something with enough horsepower in it so the game devs can include the Switch in their normal development road map instead of making a completely new game just for switch.

@geordie so did smash not RUIN 3DS machines?

Smash will shift machines no doubt. Wii U was toxic.

This was bound to happen after the Direct. Aside from the 4 first party games shown and 3 3rd party titles. There was no major third party announcement. Ubisoft Bethesda and EA all snubbed the Nintendo Switch. If you have a Switch as your main console you can't help but wonder what you are going to play over the next 6 months. PS4 and Xbox are getting a boatload of 3rd party titles all of which none will be gracing the Nintendo Switch. Pokémon & Smash are not going to keep people engaged with the Switch. You have Spiderman / Red Dead Redemption all coming soon. What title is going to keep any one playing Switch?

@RandomNerds 3rd party publishers are not gonna green light switch ports for a split market.

@MoonKnight7 i didn't see that one as i had no interest in the wii u hence why this one is probably the worst i have seen

@garcessist I would say if you are a switch only console gamer and honestly believed switch would get all these big multi platform releases then you have been living in a fantasy land. It was never gonna happen.

@kobashi100 I mean maybe you're right, but they are currently only putting limited budgets toward Switch ports and dedicated Switch games. So what can be done?

@T-Donor66 Wow, impressive retort. And not exactly relevant or rooted in actual research. I'm using the most recent console as an example because that's more representative than a 12 year or older system. But let's cover the old ones, shall we?

Gamecube was the lowest selling system of its generation. 7 million units of Smash sold which is good but still didn't help GameCube sales much. The N64 got buried by the PS so nothing there. Obviously Smash didn't sell too many systems, did it? The Wii sold well because grandma could do motion bowling, not because of Smash. 37 million units of Mario Kart Wii vs 13 million Smash Brawl.

My main point is Smash is popular, yes. I buy every Smash. But not very many people will buy a Switch just because Smash is coming out. I'd love to be proven wrong because I love Nintendo.

Shrugs. Most investors aren’t gamers. And most gamers overreact when their unrealistic expectations aren’t met. So for me I've got tons of games coming out from here till whenever FE drops, so I’m good. Nintendo will get plenty of money from me.

@iammikegaines
Retro is busy porting Tropical Freeze for the next gen Nintendo console.

@sauce The irony being many of those games available on the Switch that give it a larger library are Wii U rehashes.

Too all those saying Smash won't sell units based on the Wii U. Wii U sales actually increased dramatically upon the release of Smash, but comparing the Wii U with approx 13million units sold over it's lifetime, with the Switch approx 18million units sold in 12months is ridiculous. There are probably a huge chunk of people who haven't bought a Switch simply because they were waiting for Smash to be released, and the release date during the holiday season is a smart move. Expect Smash/Switch bundles and promos and a big push, and a big increase in sales.

Nintendo knows what they should be doing but they refuse to play ball. I hope that now that their investors have spoken they’ll learn their lessons and promptly release another direct soon. They also should try to announce something during treehouse today. Metroid should have been shown, and at least a logo for Animal Crossing. Also it would have been a great opportunity to launch a Konami MGS compilation alongside Snakes reveal. I was really expecting a new 2DS Zelda as well and was really sad they couldn’t even slap one together. WHY DID I BUY A 2DS!? Anyways not a major setback but definitely a setback.

I have to say that my Switch, has been gathering dust next to my PS4. I like Smash, but I'm not crazy about it and I've never been into Pokémon. So this direct was a let down for me. Even Yoshi would've been great for me.

At least I'm still enjoying God of War, Monster Hunter World and I'm looking forward to the Last of Us 2 and Spiderman.

Haha people on here saying that the stock went down because X games weren't shown..... These people are investors, they don't play games, they care about what will sell. Nintendo could of spend half and hour showing off games we wanted, the stocks may have still gone down because there wasn't games they can sell DLC to max out profits.
People show off a crappy pay to win game, investments go up, Nintendo shows off a quality game, investments go down because they can't sell much unless DLC is introduced.
I thought the Direct is fine, only because E3 is just another Direct (a little more formal but still), Nintendo always show off games throughout the year. They also like to show off games in the Tokyo game show thing... So yea, pumped about Smash!

@Al_Godoy Wrong website for you mate.
Here you go http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/English-Forums/ct-p/55

E3 has been a travesty for a while. with the internet (and all the leaks) these big trade shows aren't really for news. just for some lucky folks to go play some demos and stuff.

but the smash thing went on way too long for sure.

i guess we'll see how it goes. i have 30 switch games and have only finished 1 so i have plenty to play (i don't even play pc anymore). i dunno about some of you. i guess you're in high school and have 8-10 hours a day to game.

Everyone keeps bringing up Smash and Pokemon. That's all well and good, but I think this stock drop has more to do with what's coming out before then, which isn't much at the moment. We have a while to go before November and December.

@kobashi100 smash on 3DS sold 9.24 million ( as of March 18, from the smash wiki)
Nintendo sold around 72.53 million units (according to Wikipedia)
Smash sold 5.34 million copies on Wii U
Wii U sold around 13.56 million units (same sources as 3DS)
So it would suggest to me that Smash fans may already own the relevant Nintendo console when Smash is released.
All pure armchair speculation of course and no scientific research involved

They blew it. They took off like a rocket and thought steadying the pace was a good business move and it was not.

Labo was a flop and there hasn’t been any big must have releases since Mario Odyssey.

Let’s Go kicking off the Holiday season is a risk since all the changes it is making to the series and then we get Smash in time for Christmas.

Switch is turning into Wii U all over again. Game droughts and a philosophy of “eat your broccoli. It’s good for you.”

That's what happens when Nintendo spends the time highlighting minuscule details.

"Oh, look! The Wii Fit trainer looks a bit different! This was a request from the devs, and we want the general audience to care about this useless fact."

"Oh, look! This weapon sounds a bit different than the other one. And this voice-over as well. Be impressed!"

Then they end it with Ridley as the "big surprise." Yet another character.

Give me a break, Nintendo. You deserve this.

@youkoaoshi No doubt, it is ironic. But as a fan of that console, I can say people really didn't know about it. Also, the wait for the eventually decent library was excruciating!

@MoonKnight7 Yup nothing coming out between now and Dec. -.-
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 update - September 2018
Pokemon Let's Go - November 2018
Mario Party - October 2018
Overcooked 2 - August 2018
Hollow Knight - Out Now
Killer Queen Black - 2018
Octopath Traveller - July 2018
Captain Toad - July 2018
Starlink - October 2018
Splatoon 2 Octo expansion - Out Now
Crash Bandicoot - June 2018
Mario Tennis Aces - June 2018
Wolfenstein 2 - June 2018
Dark Souls - Summer 2018
Arena of Valor - Autumn 2018
DBZ FighterZ - 2018
Fifa 19 - Sept 2018
Ark - Autumn 2018
Wasteland 2 - Autumn 2018
Paladins - Out Now
SNK Heroines - September 2018
Monster Hunter - August 2018
Megaman - October 2018
Fortnite - Out now

I tried to tell y'all. But no, I'm just a "troll".

NINTENDO CANNOT HANDLE SUCCESS. They are allergic to it. It's all bearing itself out now though. Damn shame too. They just never learn.

@LordGeovanni Yep, I agree with everything except Zelda. BotW is just over a year old. Don't know why anyone would expect a new game so soon, unless it's a spin-off or something.

@electrolite77 one thing we will see though, are the switch sales numbers coming down despite easily outpacing Wii U (I mean, what couldn't outpace the Wii U though?). Nintendo is back into the habit of two or three releases a year now, and without 3rd party support, the gaps will be there. Indie games only go so far.

@Hyrule

Come on, I'm talking first party games, and you know it — and is the stated reason why stocks dropped if you bothered to read it. Why don't you throw in all the indie games too while you're at it and make that list twice as long. Bigger is better!

@sauce I liked Wii U too. It's to bad it died but long live the Switch!

@antivirusftw not so much a spinoff, but there was always two Zelda markets: console and handheld. If breath of the wild is console, what is next for handheld Zelda? What is the next game after Link Between Worlds?

MP4 wouldn't have changed a thing. Never been a big seller.

@LUIGITORNADO please remind me when the Wii U drought contained line ups like this. Some of the reactions on here are ridiculous.

Hollow Knight
BlazeBlu Tag
Octopath Traveller
Captain Toad
Starlink
Splatoon 2 Octo expansion
Crash Bandicoot
Mario Tennis Aces
Wolfenstein 2
Dark Souls
DBZ FighterZ
Fifa 19
Paladins - Out Now
SNK Heroines
Monster Hunter
Megaman

I have more than enough games on my Switch to play & still more coming soon. While I would have liked to have seen some info on Metroid 4, and a little more of Fire Emblem Three Houses and Pokémon 2019, I understand that Nintendo really doesn't show off things like that which are rather far from actual release. That said, Yoshi...the game was shown pretty heavily last year and now it seems to be bumped to 2019. That I don't understand. The game looked pretty polished and ready to go last year so the only thing I can fathom is that Nintendo is saving it to avoid a dry-spell in the release calendar next year. But until then, there's so many games to play, including all of the incredible Nindies. People need to just cool it with the "Switch has no games" rhetoric because frankly that's just Fake News so stop being baby Trump's and get over yourselves. Just enjoy the fact that Nintendo is back in a big way with Switch, or you can GTFO.

Honestly, the pre-E3 rumor mill is what did Nintendo in this year. People were expecting to see so many rumored games that when it didn’t happen, people couldn’t help but be disappointed. Plus, us die hard fans have the unrealistic expectation that every 1st party IP must be represented every year. I’ll take a lackluster E3 over not having directs throughout the year. With Sony and Microsoft, there won’t be any more big announcements until this time next year.

@LordGeovanni I think a lot is still up in the air due to Nintendo not explaining (weird, right?) what their plans are with the 3DS and their handhelds in general. Are they merging console and handheld with the Switch? Is a new handheld system on the horizon? I can definitely understand the appeal of a simpler, strictly handheld Zelda line that compliments the larger, console releases. It all depends on Nintendo's hardware plans going forward.

@Gowtu_Games Agreed, if you want to buy some Nintendo stock (and especially if you're looking for long-term benefits), now's a great moment to pick up a handful of shares and just sit on them.

Clueless knee jerk reaction if you ask me.

Of course this was bound to happen as it was a very very poor showing from Nintendo

@MoonKnight7 "That's all well and good, but I think this stock drop has more to do with what's coming out before then, which isn't much at the moment." That's what you said, so which is it, the lack of games, lack of first party or lack of third party? We remain confused in your lack of clarity.

@kobashi100 Fact and figures, are lost on some of this crowd mate.

Outside of Smash, the E3 was very weak. That said, Mario Party and Smash obviously won’t be the only first party releases this year so I’m sure we’ll see more in time.

@Hyrule

It's called context. You know, the reason why you should be here to begin with. From the tweet:

"Many analysts are doubting if Nintendo can achieve hardware and software sell in targets for Switch after the 2018 lineup was revealed. A lot riding on Smash and Pokemon this year."

But sure Megaman is coming, but also to all the other consoles. Sorry to hear your confused, but you seem to be more interested in strolling the comments to be a hero. There's always one person who "makes a list", so yay for you I guess.

Nice gif btw. Should get you some likes.

Too bad for their stock. I've got a decent amount of games to look forward to though:
July: Megaman X Legacies 1+2, Go Vacation
Sep: 20 NES games with online
Oct: Megaman 11, Super Mario Party, Starlink
Nov: Pokemon Lets Go Eevee, SNK 40th Anniversary
Dec: Super Smash Bros Ultimate, Atari Flashback Collections
2018: Super Hydorah, Everspace, Save Me Tako-San, King Knight Expansion
2019: Damon X Machina, Bayonetta 3, Pokemon RPG, 198X

@Savino Tbh this might be the same shareholders who would instead be made there wasn't another microtransaction ridden Pokémon Go soooo...

Gonna take it with a grain of salt and rather look at the rest of the year. I wouldn't even know if most of these investors even know what "Metroid 4" or such would be about.

"Wait till the next direct..." has appeared a lot in the comments section on this site this year.

Since 2017 presentation was success by Super Mario Odyssey, Zelda breath of the wild and Splatoon 2. But Now E3 won't show up Yoshi, Metroid Prime 4, Animal Crossing and Other third party games. This is happening the whole video about Super Smash Bro with no other upcoming games trailer. So come on Nintendo we made it 20 million units sold, were still in 18 million units sold. Please Nintendo do not be a failure.

@antivirusftw Nintendo can be wishy-washy on dedicating the hen house market to switch, however that comes with consequences. The last of the handheld Market games is one of those consequences. We can't just forgive them for a lack of information simply because they don't want to take a stand and officially say or not.

Not to say that you were wrong, I just feel Nintendo need to be held accountable for every action they are doing that is wrong.

whiners and complainers make me sick. if you all feel that way about the switch. trade all your switches, and just play with other systems. the games will come out but nobody has patience. Nintendo e3 is not the be all end all of announcements. people are just unhappy that their games were not announced. so what! Nintendo Is still working on them. when they are ready, Nintendo will announce or show gameplay. just chill out and wait

@Hyrule My wallet just committed hara kiri. Where is this game drought folks are talking about? I need it!

@AetherOrange Smash Bros might as well be "the" big hit they need. 2018 was going to be slower than 2017 either ways since there were too few third parties to get anything done on Switch in time that wasn't a port of older titles whom people already had time to buy on previous(if not even, multiple generations of such in Skyrim's case) console.

Thing is, with Octopath Traveller next month, "a" Monster Hunter finally being ported west the next, Nintendo Online services in Fall and other titles I think I'm forgetting aout that others already mentioned... we -are- starting to see the shift of momentum. It's just the inertia created by the Wii U -would- be a heckton of a thing to budge.

Nintendo had a huge 2017, but it was also on the back of it's own first party biggest hitters. There had to be a lull at some point.
Also, "consoles selling" titles is a relative thing. Like... I'm interested in Sony Ghosts of Tschuschima of the Souls team's Sekiro… but only because I already have a PS4.

I definitely wouldn't have purchased a PS4 for these titles alone(and in fact, impatience to get my hands on World led me to get a PS4 in the first place... that I might as well end up selling anyway on the game is ported to PC around the same time period PC would be getting Dragon Quest XI too).

Truth be told, it wasn't a "strong" E3 for anybody really and despite this stock stuff.... I'd say that just on Smash Bros alone(yes, a single title) Nintendo might have gotten almost as much momentum than anybody else(even reconverting an acquaintance who -hated- Nintendo after the WiiU to actually look forwad to the new Switch).

In many ways, I felt Daemon X Machina, Smash Bros, Hollow Knight(current biggest seller of the eshop today)… Nintendo's E3 was as strong as anybody else's where it mattered: that is, the people actually already buying Switch consoles, some of whom that had abandonned Nintendo being actually brought back to the scene by the pull of Smash Bros alone.

Also let's recall the Gamestop article mentioning that Switch consoles -continue- to sell at a very steady pace, alongside the biggest hitters of 2017.

I'd say people indeed should focus on 2019. 2018, especially the early part of it, was really bound to be a lull after the crazy biggest hits of 2017.

@Ryu_Niiyama Seriously! If people looked they'd notice the console has no lack of game. My current wishlist on the eshop is larger than the pace I can actually buy them because of money XD

It's true there HAS been a lull of "biggest fullprice media-catching releases" but that doesn't mean there was nothing.... and with Ys VIII this month, Owlboy last month, Hollow Knight today(currently best seller on the eshop), Octopath Traveller next month(the demo remains one of the most popular downloads on the eshop) and Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate(for whom anticipations by fans is actually RISING despite being an older title, as most people who had bought World have increasingly exhausted World's content and are ready to move on)… then who knows if they're not reserving a surprise or two this Fall as they've done before, that could be announced during the summer proper?

@Yorumi

I do think they have a very valid point about online going up in September. Many suspected Smash would launch then, but that's not until December. So unless Nintendo has something up their sleeve in September, they're going to start charging people for playing Splatoon and the handful of other games that are online heavy. Why do it in September then, and why not wait until November at least when Let's Go launches?

@CptProtonX That list you just mentioned is pretty much the problem. You basically need a PS4 or X1 to play the biggest games of 2018 at this point.

@Yorumi I dunno about a summer drought or multiplayer heavy. It's true that Super Smash and it's focus at E3 was multiplayer oriented...

But if anything, I'd say it actually was 2017 that had more of a multiplayer heavy focus, especially the summer, with Pokken Tournament, Mario Kart, ARMS, Splatoon 2, many multiplayer indie games too. It's really single player stuff that missed that year for the lone exception of Mario Odyssey and Zelda(Kingdom Battle if you count Ubisoft's effort).

Weirldy enough, I'd say it's 2018 that's actually been decently single-player focused. I mean, just stuff that we got and will be getting.
-Dragon Quest Builders 1(February)
-Bayonetta 1+2 (March)
-Owlbow(can't recall original release, but got released at retail in May)
-Battlechasers:Nightwar(May
-Ys VIII(this month)
-Octopath Traveller(July next month. Demo's still one of the eshop's most popular download)
-Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate(August. Both single and multiplayer)**

I'd almost be tempted to say that it's Fall rather than Summer that seem bare... and it may just be simply due to Nintendo keeping the release date of some titles under it's sleeve for now

**I know Generations Ultimate might seen as a "meh", but you'd be surprised how many of Monster Hunter World's own players are now turning out with anticipation for this. People originally dismissed it because it was "too late" but in the end it might be "just in time" because it's coming out at a time a large population of World's players feel like they've exhausted all the content had to offer.

Smash is a day one buy for me, but 2018 is definitely a bit muted compared to what 2017 was for Switch. I also thought it always going to be this way though. Damn near impossible to follow up the best first year ever and Nintendo fired a lot of bullets in 2017. Smash and Pokemon should move a lot of hardware this holiday though.

@Yorumi Yet for many people that was still not an issue. See Stardew Valley's success literally borderline obliterating the sales it made on PC and becoming a media darling.

The portability of the console HAS worked a ton in it's favor there, especially for a lot of people who were previously interested in such titles but weren't comfortable with the platform of a PC in itself except for the most dedicated hardcore who'd know how to make things comfortable with a controller/etc.

I'm currently expecting a similar phenomenon with Hollow Knight just right now as it's already risen to the top-seller position of the Eshop here in America(I don't know if the listings are the same in Europe).

They really didn't have much to announce this E3, so not suprised. Here's hoping 2019 will be a better year for Nintendo.

@Gamer83 Basically my feeling and yeah. Even for a "side" title it's surprising how many eyes those "Let's Go" titles have captured. Even some game devs friends I have who are a couple definitely added those titles to their "must buy" list.

@Yorumi

Absolutely. Especially for kids and when it suddenly doesn't work their parents are going to be the ones blindsided and not understand what's going on. Stocks always do things like this, the Quality of Life is dead also lead to stocks dropping even though it was dead for years prior, for example. But that was one valid point that caught my eye.

@G-Boy Probably be. Nintendo kicked off 2017 as a record year that was a crazy success.... that nobody could really follow on because nobody -expected- it.

Game development is traditionally a process that takes 2-3 years so I feel 2019 will definitely be when we finally start hearing more.... and even then?

2018 still had very interesting content even if it's not blockbusters:

Dragon Quest Builders 1 in February did very decently before it was buried by later releases. All the time it still showed up in the "newest release" pages, it also continued to be among the Best Sellers. With the new "Featured" page, it may well return if ever chucked at it.

Owlboy did pretty decently and got a retail releases last month. Battlechasers Nightwar was rather awaited by a lot of people even if a western indie offering.

We're getting Ys VIII(from one of the oldest action RPG franchises in Japan, which isn't nothing) this month and Octopath Traveller(whose demo was one of the most popular downloads on the eshop for a -long- while in America and Japan iirc) the next.

And while originally dismissed by players... a lot of anticipation has now been building up for Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate this August from the same player who dismissed it... as they now have utterly exhausted what Monster Hunter World had to offer them and are just realizing how hungry they are becoming for "more".

@CptProtonX I hear you there about the consoles. Not sure how much more fuel the XB1 has in it when Microsoft themselves seem to be discussing under the vines the possibility making Xbox Live a multiplatform brand(due to the multiplatform successes of IPs they now own like Minecraft, while the Xbox One is starting to lag behind in fashion that feels like echoes of the WiiU…).

I bought a PS4 used only to be able to play for Monster Hunter World and that's only because I couldn't wait for the PC version in Fall. I might keep the console for Dragon Quest XI(because it'd be more comfortable to play a jRPG on a traditional console)…. but once the port for Switch releases in 2019, I might well end up ditching and reselling my PS4 entirely.

I use it to play games.... but otherwise have no real fondness for it nor consider even it's exclusives that "essential" to me for the most part.

Even as a switch owner and Nintendo fan it's hard to have any sympathy for them. They had the chance to smash E3 and simply failed again. Twenty minutes for smash was overkill and with nothing on animal crossing, metroid and very limited support from third parties I think they've really let the owners down. I can only hope this spurs then into a quick direct where they give more details on upcoming games and their online plans. Really want them to success with switch but unless they get some real support I can see sales slipping away

not gonna lie though, who cares about that vitality thing?!?! it was not gonna be a console seller anyway yal...

I expected more from Nintendo but I've gotta say it was a terrible show. "We have Smash Bros" Goodbye.

Sony had a solid show and Xbox had some good stuff to show from 3rd parties.

I'm worried for the future of Switch because of the lack of 3rd party support at E3.

This year could make or break the Switch.

there more to this than e3 btw

https://www.nasdaq.com/article/asian-shares-mostly-lower-ahead-of-fed-decision-20180613-00128

@CptProtonX People can have a Ps4, X1, PC... what is great about choices - no need to get a PS4.

I just do not see the September/October release schedule and see $79 Starlink as the stand out game. But like you said - it is all subjective.

X1/Switch is a good combo.

@kobashi100 Majority of those titles are indy games and ports, or 3rd party games that had delayed releases and so can be played on systems months ago with better graphics.

DROUGHT.

Nintendo needs the wake up and realise it is not just Nintendo fanboys buying the Switch, they need to cater to a wider audience. Enough with the retro style games and get more third party support. 2017 was a great year, much better than 2018, if 2019 is a miss I’m likely gonna hack my Switch. I want to see COD, BF, GTA 5, and UFC at least.

I'm no stock market guru, so I can't say if this fall in share price is due to the very heavy Smash focused E3 Direct. I didn't like this presentation at all because I don't play Smash and there weren't enough other games on display. What I do know is that Smash is going to sell like crazy and it's going to drive the Switch sales through the roof this coming holiday season. I'm sure that over time, the share price will rise again. Until that time, I'm afraid we're going to have to rely on indies alone. Luckily I have enough games to finish on my PS4 and PC.

Nintendo: No Metroid or Pikmin at this year's E3.
Investors: What's a Metroid? What's a Pikmin?

This wasn't Nintendo's best E3... But considering that stocks went up for Pokemon Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee, they obviously aren't concerned with quality. Lol.

@Yorumi According to vgchartz.com, Smash on Wii U sold 5mln copies and digital sales aren't included. That's well over 1/3rd of the Wii U's install base. It could easily do the same for the Switch.

Zelda takes up entire day at E3: "Nintendo is amazing!"
Smash takes 25 minutes at E3: "Nintendo is the worst!"

@gatorboi352 I fail to see how highlighting a game which will sell millions (and millions of systems) is mishandling success. Perhaps you can explain.

@LUIGITORNADO you said it was Wii U level droughts.. you haven't proved that one single bit.

@DizzyDee81 buy a PS4 or Xbox one if you want them games.

That's your solution.

@kobashi100 Wii U had one or two must plays a year.

This year all we got is Pokemon Let's Go and Smash, and the former is debatable.

I shouldn't have to prove anything. Outside the normal echo chamber here on Nintendolife, everyone is in agreement that this year Switch has been kind of a dud.

It's funny because a lot of users were telling everyone to wait for E3 and that Nintendo would announce all these must have titles.

They didn't.

@LordGeovanni I completely agree. I wasn't implying that we let Nintendo of the hook, it's just that, as the majority of us are outsiders, we can only go on the information we're given. I think a lot of Nintendo's problems stem from a lack of transparency. Obviously, I don't know how to run a huge company, but it seems that if Nintendo was more open and honest with its fans, it would at least partly reduce the backlash that seems to receive every few months.

@ImagineerNik

Rip Labo

For someone who is not into super smash at all, Nintendo completely missed the mark this e3. With hardware as good as the Switch this is what they have for us the rest of 2018? Good thing Octopath is coming out this year.

@tourjeff one problem with that though- how well did Smash sell the Wii U? You can't bank on Smash every time.

@PanurgeJr because it's just that, one game. And let's not kid ourselves. As popular as Smash is, it ain't Mario Kart popular.

But I'm more so speaking to these points:

Switch sell through is lower than expected in H1 2018 — Nintendo Labo launch was muted and isn't selling Switch hardware — Nintendo Switch Online service won't launch with a killer app — Strong competition from other Console, PC, Mobile games

Those aren't made up things. They are reality. 2018 already has Nintendo showing signs of their Wii U days in decision making and pacing.

Nah it only goes down cause almost everything about the press conference were leaks and most were true so people expected too much when Nintendo only plan to show very little. Also had Nintendo save the Pokemon Direct for E3 this wouldn't have happened but hey who doesn't say Nintendo won't have any surprises later down the road.

@PanurgeJr Don't even go there with that one mate, he is a known forum troll.

@Yorumi Smash sold a lot on Wii U, because most Wii U owners bought it for like 3D World, or Splatoon, etc.

@Hyrule not really, because I've always consider Nintendo my main console, since the NES days. I think we are allowed to have negative opinions about Nintendo on a Nintendo site. Don't you?

It's no like I'm trolling or anything.

I think a lot of folks on this thread are completely discounting how successful the Wii U ports have been on Switch. Most people didn’t own Wii U, so those really add to the amount of must have titles released for Switch this year.

If it went down in price I’d buy it immediately but more than $300 (you need an sd card too) for a console with one killer exclusive is asking too much (I have a Wii U if I want to play Mariokart, Splatoon, or Zelda). Smash looked nice but it’s still 6 months out and there weren’t many announcements for 1st party Nintendo games.

@Al_Godoy Referring to gatorboi352 mate not you

@Hyrule yeah, but you told me I was in the wrong site when I stated that my Switch was collecting dust next to my PS4.

@Hyrule except that I'm not and merely have a difference of opinion than you. Something you clearly cannot deal with on an adult level.

@Al_Godoy plot twist! @Hyrule has been the troll this whole time!!

https://media4.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/480w_s.jpg

@kobashi100 I would but I can’t be tethered to a tv, it’s either switch or mobile, and it is sad to see mobiles getting better FPS games than the Switch. It’s not like the Switch can’t handle those games with compromises, and compromises most would happily accept for the portability. The Switch should be able to pump out games better than a PS3/360 so there is no excuse, they could do Black Ops 1&2 remastered, UFC wouldn’t be too demanding, a Madden game, a real racing game, all of these developers are missing the boat.

@Al_Godoy lolol, well if you're enjoying all those PS4 games, how do you have time for Nintendolife

maybee its as history keeps repeating with Nintendo look at N64 GC WII and WI U and total lack of software. people buying 20 games for their console life span a success it is not. just look at shelf space online space switch gets its not good. and then alledgedly fornight has voice chat without that fffffffffffff disaster app set up. new mediocre sounding online service terrible storage system etc etc.

@gatorboi352 You're comment history speaks for itself. Keep reaching troll
https://www.nintendolife.com/users/gatorboi352/comments

All of this reminds me of January 2017:

https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/245473/nintendo-ntdoy-stock-falls-on-nintendo-switch-launch-details

"Nintendo (NTDOY) Stock Falls On Nintendo Switch Launch Details"

"Shares of Nintendo (NTDOY - Free Report) fell more nearly 6% on Friday—hitting their lowest point of 2017—following the company’s announcement of the launch details for its new Nintendo Switch console. The device will hit stores on March 3 for a starting price of $299."

Pretty much every major non-mobile-related announcement will cause Nintendo's stock to drop. Remember, January 2017 saw the reveal of Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Arms, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, 1-2 Switch, etc, as well as the confirmation that Zelda Breath of the Wild would be a Switch launch title. That was certainly not a "25 minute Direct focused on a single game" conference like this E3 Direct was.

For those of us that aren’t huge Smash Brothers fans there just really isn’t much huge to look forward to in the short term. I’m awaiting Octopath Traveler but not much else for a while it seems.

@Hyrule like I said, Nintendo has always been my main console, I've been playing Nintendo consoles and games for 30 years. I do believe that this was a poor E3, and the fact that Nintendo's shares drop show that I'm not in the minority.

I'd like my favorite videogame company to succeed, but having a PS4 during what I believe to be Sony's most stellar year in a decade, has made me worried about Nintendo and has brought a lot of memories of the Wii U drought days which were awful.

Reading through some of these comments, I get the impression that Nintendo showed off footage from the very niche Pokémon and Smash Bros games that are releasing this year, while failing to show off footage from historical smash hits that are Metroid and Pikmin?

In other words, have I been warped to some alternate dimension?

@Hyrule k.

I cashed out two months ago on this fear, at $57 in the US. The Wall Street Journal reported a few months back that this year would get a bit of a game drought as many publishers held off on supporting the Switch until after launch, meaning most new games won’t appear until 2019. I had a feeling E3 would reveal this situation in full, but obviously hoping I’d be wrong.

That being said, if the stock goes below $40 in the US, I’d venture it’s a buy again.

@youkoaoshi to be fair releasing sm4sh on 3ds didn't help

Same old Nintendo, NOD OFF when they have the ball.

Online service needs to be 100% sorted out and fully functioning, able to compete... Its 2018 not 2004... Any excuse for that will be met with a kick to the money sack.

Nintendo needs Netflix among other things but 15 months after release and no sign of Netflix is simply not acceptable.

Nintendo needs to throw money to get these multiplatform games on board but thats really less of an issue.... Nintendo are doing just fine in the games department, right now lack of investor confidence is not centered around games but around other multimedia functions that we had expected long before this.

This doesn't even go into the lack of virtual console, which is a huuuuge mistake within itself.

Right now Nintendo are falling a million miles from where i expected them to be this time last year.

Maybe they should start caring about what their customers want... Like a virtual console equivalent, improved app for voice chat, and ways to play some of the Wii and GameCube's best games. Just off the top of my head. A special E3 bundle wouldn't have hurt either since I know they wouldn't dona temp price drop like Sony and Microsoft.

@electrolite77 smash move systems?

Lol

@Yorumi
Because the Wii U was just about the most unappealing product Nintendo has made that outside of the Virtual Boy. GTAV could have been a Wii U exclusive and it wouldn't have sold much better.

The Switch sold more in January 2018 (when its biggest new release was Celeste) than the Wii U sold in November 2014 (the month of Smash Bros Wii U's launch). The Switch comfortably sold more in December 2017 than the Wii U sold during any entire calendar year of its existence. I seriously can't believe people are comparing the Switch to the Wii U.

Smash Bros Ultimate will be massive.

@tourjeff actually there were 3 surprises. they just didn't do it in a wow factor.

@Yorumi

Couldn't the exact same sentiment be said for every Nintendo franchise that has appeared on those consoles.

"3D Mario, Zelda, and Mario Kart were all on the N64, GCN, and Wii U, and none of those consoles sold very well, so the Switch iterations of those games won't move any systems."

Oh wait, the Switch is a massive hit, and Mario Odyssey + Zelda Breath of the Wild + Mario Kart 8 DX were all massive system sellers.

Historical precedence can only go so far when it comes to predicting the future and can often times be completely unreliable. Smash Bros Ultimate will be massive.

@LUIGITORNADO in 2018 all the switch has is Pokémon and smash. Are you being serious?

Just because you don't like the other games coming that doesn't = only two games in 2018. The argument that they are ports from other consoles is not a win for you either by the way.

Like I said before. Show me a time in Wii U lifespan where it had a similar lineup I listed for switch in 2018

I was disappointed with the E3 direct but they did list a bunch of titles that are releasing this year. After the dust had settled I made a list of the games I plan on picking up this year and its completely dominated by Switch games. The only PS4 title coming is Spiderman, the only Xbox one is Forza Horizons 4, with the multiplatform Red Dead Redemption 2, COD, Assassins Creed Odyssey, FIFA, Madden etc rounding out the releases. Unless there are games I'm forgetting the Switch lineup seems much fuller than the PS4/XBO offerings.

Here's my currently 'most wanted' list for 2018:
Mario Tennis Aces
Donkey Kong + Rabbids
Wolfenstein 2 TNC
Octopath Traveller
Okami
Monster Hunter Generations
TWEWY
FIFA 19
Starlink
Spiderman
Red Dead Redemption 2
Pokemon Lets Go Pikachu
Super Smash Bros Ultimate

I might add Assassins Creed Odyssey to it, as although I don't like A.C. games that one actually looks good.

So a poor E3 showing, a weaker year, but there's still a bunch of games that I want.

@electrolite77
Pretty much.

Let's look at their 2018 fiscal year lineup from an objective standpoint:

> Nintendo has two 10+ million sellers with Smash Bros Ultimate and Pokemon Let's Go
> Mario Tennis Aces, DKC Tropical Freeze, Super Mario Party, and Labo will each sell 2-3 million copies in this FY
> Mario Kart 8 DX, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, and Zelda Breath of the Wild will each sell another 2-4 million copies; maybe even more in the case of Mario Kart 8 DX
> 3rd party titles like Octopath Traveler, MH Generations Ultimate, FIFA 19, Yokai Watch 4, Starlink, etc will each sell at least 1 million copies. That's not to mention other 3rd party titles like NBA 2K19, Wolfenstein 2, Taiko, Dark Souls Remastered, Crash Trilogy, etc (but I guess they don't count because...?)
> Fortnite. Yes, it came to the Switch late, but the game currently has 125 million players (something that took Minecraft 5+ years to achieve) and growing, and has been a sales driver for PS4/XBO over the last few months.
> Who knows what else Nintendo and 3rd parties will announce after E3 via other Nintendo Directs? Probably not a bunch of brand new megatons, but surprises will still come.

Fire Emblem and Yoshi being delayed definitely hurts (though Fire Emblem could still be released this fiscal year), as does the lack of teases for Metroid Prime 4 and Retro's new project, but Nintendo's current lineup is no slouch compared to 2017.

Ever since the Wii era, when Nintendo decided to bow out of the race, you see all these big titles coming to PlayStation, Xbox and PC. No wonder people jump ship. Throwing Kart and Smash at us every few years won't change that.

A bubble of expectation and speculation that’s burst is all

@Hyrule @westman98 @electrolite77 @kobashi100 Wow it's like the end of the world in here for some people. I wish the only worries I had in the world were video games so I could get worked up as well.

As for the armchair business analysis in here, I've seen about 20 different answers to what Nintendo should have done, and most of them involve titles that aren't exactly profitable (or are not coming out in 2018, as that was the main purpose of the Direct).

@LUIGITORNADO Drought? In your eyes maybe, I have tons to get through. As I said somewhere else I've still got a few of last year's titles to get through before I even start on 2018 titles. You need to stop using the word "we" when you mean "you". And as far as this place being an echo chamber, people are always squabbling in here so the visitors are hardly all singing along in unison from the same hymn sheet...

A disappointing E3, but I have plenty to look forward to this year. My "most wanted" upcoming Switch game right now is Octopath Traveler. Then we have the Crash Bandicoot Trilogy, Captain Toad (I never bought the Wii U version), Monster Hunter, Dark Souls, and Smash Bros. I'm looking forward to Wargroove, too, but I doubt it comes out in 2018.

@Savino true

You guys know that usually between late June and July is when they reveal a new Mini console right?

Pretty certain once that N64/Gameboy Mini is revealed, all of a sudden a lot of you will have something else to play.

@electrolite77 nah, it's definitely not doomed. But Nintendo needs to not let this 2018 slip spiral into something actually concerning in 2019.

Unless you were planning on selling Nintendo stock today, this news really isn't a big deal. Stock Investors tend to be much like Nintendo gamers in that they overreact to direct presentations.

(I'll show myself out now...)

@Yorumi
Mario Kart is definitely bigger than Smash Bros due to its insane legs, but not 3D Mario and certainly not Zelda.

Any sane person knew that Smash Bros Wii U wouldn't push its hardware sales by much, as the Wii U was a confirmed disaster by late 2014. I don't know why you keep peddling the "But people thought Smash would save the Wii U..." argument, because 1) I certainly didn't think so and 2) the Switch isn't the Wii U, nor is it the GCN, N64, or even the 3DS.

@rjejr I was wondering if anyone would notice my horizon comment

Yeah, think I'll definitely be getting a PS4 at some point because like you say there's much money to be saved just on the Switch ports and for some reason I really want to play Final Fantasy 15 despite what some of the reviews say.

@Savino Did you want Nintendo to move the Calendar to 2019? Don't get what people don't understand about their focus only being on 2018 games.

Once you saw Metroid featured, you were going to wait in line for it or something?

There was no big wow factor's to Nintendo's E3 Direct (arguably, not much this E3 in general). Most of what was shown was what people already knew was going to be shown or expected.

As much as many people are excited for Smash Ultimate, many other people looked at it and said "this kind of just looks like Smash 4" (whether you agree with it or not that's what happened).

The biggest reveal was the the new Fire Emblem game, and while nice, it also wasn't much of a surprise either. If anything, there wasn't anything shown that was a big selling factor of previous Fire Emblem games, that is, a player avatar, building relationships between the characters.

Many people have already mentioned things Nintendo should be fixing that aren't fixing, like the voice chat.

Time to buy!

I am happy this happened. I am a Nintendo fanboy but they need to learn a lesson. What Nintendo did yesterday, was a big middle finger to fans. You cant have an E3 presentation of 45 minutes and 20 minutes are dedicated to explaining the intricacies of smash. Worst of all, not touching the subject if the game is a sequel or an update of the Wii U game (according to people that have played the game, it is a very big update not a sequel). Their biggest release for this year is a massive update for a 6 year old game. The only things we have to look forward to are a mario sports game, a mario party game (the last games have been a disaster, hopefully this will be awesome) and smash update. 2018 has been a dead year for the console. The only people that are enjoying the Switch are people that did not own the wii u and people that are into indie games and cant play it on another console. Hopefully, it looks like next year will be better. I am excited for Fire Emblem even thought it looked a little bit bland. Yoshi is confirmed for next year. For 2019 I already have 2 games for the Switch. In 2018 I have not bought a single one, I was hoping to do it during the final 6 months of the year.

@Savino Ok. Go do so then. You sure showed Nintendo. Good for them for NOT catering to people that don't understand project roadmaps.

2018 looks great, GO 🍌, I mean Nintendo!

@LordGeovanni That's the fuc*ing truth!

@westman98
Nintendo: "A metroid's an Alien and a Pikmin's an... Alien. Wait, that's redundant..."

@wazlon "Final Fantasy 15"

NOOOO!!! Don't do it!!!

Actually by now it might be ok. I'm still PO'd as I got it and the season pass day 1 and now they expect me to pay another $15 for the Royal Edition DLC, plus there are 4 more epsidoes coming out that will probably cost even more money.

At this point I'd say wait for the complete edition holiday 2019.

It wasn't bad though. Oh, make sure to watch the movie first or you'll be clueless. But more important than that watch the 30 minutes of webisodes that explains all of their back stories. Don't even bother playing the game w/o watching those first. There is a 30 minute movie of them somewhere, but I think they started as 4 or 5 very short shorts.

I always have to buy both Sony and Ntinedo consoles, usually every other year so I'm always a bit behind on some games, but a bit behind saves me a ton of cash. And I always have something to play, even when E3 has nothing for me. I bought Starfox Zero on Wii U today, I was desperate. And no toys to buy.

@Nin_Myski
Shareholder: "Hmm...That means a Metroid and a Pikmin must be the same thing..."
🤔
Shareholder: "Please give us more information on Pikmin Prime 4!"

Not everyone is a Smash fan , Nintendo ......Take notice

@Savino This information comes from Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime…

“We believe it is not fair to the fan to repeatedly tease them (fans) over time about a game. That’s why we tend to focus close in, typically in a six- to nine-month timeframe, and go deep in sharing content and information on a particular piece of content. But right now, for something that’s not launching in 2018, it just wasn’t the right time.”

Simple. Good day sir.

Well, Captain Toad July, Monster Hunter XX western release August, Fifa 19 / SNK heroines September, Super Mario Party October, Pokémon Let's Go November, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate December

The switch will be just fine, hardware and software.

@jcgonzmo by what they did show was kind of self explanatory that it's a new game. More characters then previous version, new characters, new stages, new mechanics, new engine(unreal engine logo appeared at the end). I guess that is more than enough to know its a sequel.

If investors think that the E3 lineup was all the Switch is getting this year, they aren't really paying attention. But that is partly Nintendo's fault for not covering more when they both could have and should have.

That said, there are a lot of big games slated for this year: Octopath, Captain Toad, Mario Aces, Dark Souls, Crash Bandicoot, Valkyria Chronicles, a couple Disgaea titles, Pokemon Let's Go, Mario Party, SSB Ultimate, DBZ Fighters, and those are just the titles I can remember off of the top of my head.

It's funny that people think Nintendo gives a crap about E3. If they did care about it they would not sprinkle Nintendo Directs through out the year. Now do I want new games? Sure. Do I want ports? Depends on what is being ported. Nintendo does what Nintendo does. I learned to accept it and move on. But money talks and we will see if they respond with another direct to highlight peoples poor poor animal crossing or F-Zero. I can wait.

Thats because the show was straight garbage.
"We've changed the direction Peach's hair blows against the wind" Stop the presses!!
I spent most of the Wii U generation hearing about Smash, the build up, the trailers, the 20 directs....and I was done with it. Then they pull this?!
Not every Nintendo fan likes Smash ffs!!!
Absolute garbage.

I wish Nintendo eventually go the same route as Sega and Atari etc, and just focus on software and IP's on other platforms. There hardware clearly is much weaker and doesn't seem to move as many units as the others. But they definitely should keep their handheld division as that is what makes the big N serious coin. Would love to play Super Smash Bros on PC, Playstation or Mobile.

Nintendo Life just showing their ignorance at how share prices fluxuate after major events from large corporations.

For those who don't know - they almost always drop. It's not a bad thing. There's a sell off because people think the company had a good showing and it's a good time to cash in and sell their shares.
Long term though the share price almost always bounces back to an even higher price.

Only day traders are worried about daily share price fluxuations. The rest of us care about trends over months and years in the share price. Also the shareholders care more about the quarterly conference call than E3.

Very happy with my Switch, have been since February when I got mine as a birthday present to myself. I've enjoyed both physical and digital releases, some I could've gotten/already have on the PS4 but decided to get/upgrade to the Switch. Can't say I'm a Smash or Pokémon fan though, so those titles I won't have any interest for. My next title to look forward to this summer is Code Of Princess EX. Other than that, I'm content with the 16 other titles I currently have on the system. Good times.

Crash Bandicoot N Sane Trilogy, Mario Tennis Aces, Shining Resonance Refrain, Ys VIII, Octopath Traveller, Tales of Vesperia, Disgaea 1 Complete, Dark Souls Remastered, Team Sonic Racing, Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, TWEWY Final Remix, Wolfenstein 2, Megaman 11, Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, Starlink Battle for Atlas, Valkyria Chronicles 4, Monster boy and the Cursed Kingdom, Code of Princess EX, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Blade Strangers, Super Mario Party, Pokémon Lets Go, and Super Smash Bros Ultimate aint a bad way to finish off 2018.

I do agree with the view that E3 was a let down. The focus on a single game worked in 2016 as the Wii U was on the way out anyway, I think in year two of the Switch's life focusing on a single title is limiting. I mean even if Smash is hugely popular, it's still in a genre that many aren't all that interested in.

To be fair I think Nintendo's line up is solid overall. What I found lacking was any big surprise releases from 3rd parties that we hadn't seen already. Those Mario vs Rabbid sort of unveils.

@pika677 Well, you can't compare Wii U with any other system because that system was a failure.
The fact the Switch had more units in the hands of the consumers in less than a year in the market, it speaks volumes.
The fact is that Smash and Pokemon are the best games Nintendo will release this year. If they expect to sell 20 million Switches, then, they better do a very good job at their marketing campaign.

That was a terrible showing so it's deserved. Smash will be fun though.

It's definitely lost some magic for me, especially since Smash is not for me and Pokemon doesn't look like something I want to play either, sadly. The system is over a year old and still doesn't even have Netflix or a web browser, or any other QOL improvements. I love the Switch itself but I've been increasingly underwhelmed for the past year.

@duhsoares21 Is the game built from the ground up? I am asking this because it is very common for fighting games to upgrade characters, mechanics, etc. For example Super Street Fighte 4 is just an updated version of Street Fighter 4. It is not considered the official sequel. Smash Ultimate seems to be an updated version of Smash U. This is done to keep the game fresh because its focus in multiplayer. Another example is Street Fighter V. It was released in 2016. This year Steet Fighter V Arcade Edition was released. New characters, music, gameplay mechanics,etc. It is a new game but it is a massive update of the base game. Is not the "sequel" even though it is a "new game." The sequel will be Street Fighter 6 when it releases.

@Heavyarms55 Dude, what investors want are system sellers. That is it. Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding and The Last of Us 2 are system sellers. The mech game and Super Mario Party are not system sellers. Also, the fact that the only "original" game Nintendo had was in fact a "Major Update" of Super Smash U, worries any investors. It will remind them of Wii U all over again.

@WiltonRoots Preach, bro, preach. Armchair analysts pretty much sums them up.
I care about games coming, of which we have a truckload in the next 6 months. Unless you work at Nintendo and have insider knowledge its assnine to assume you know what is coming.
And much like last year, there will be plenty more surprises and reveals. Same thing happened last year at E3, people moaned oh nintendo didn't show anything, or didn't show enough. E3 has long been the least important Games show of the year. We had a direct after E3 last year that announced a bunch of games that weren't mentioned at E3 2017, yet the whole nintendoomed nonsense was regurgitated across the internet.

@KratosGodOfWar Yeah good luck with that mate.
Being the third most valuable company in Japan with a market value of approximately $85billion, and profits of $1.6billion for financial year ending Apr 2018, third party any day now mate. Keep reaching.

@jcgonzmo yes. It is. Nintendo just confirmed it today!

I really don't get it! Why people keep sweeping it under the rug? Mediocre E3 is just that... Mediocre. If no one whines, marching with pit fork or get upset, they will not take notes and try to be better next time (or try to give abetter direct next ) and you will always get mediocre show.

Smash will sell regardless because it has a strong fan base, it has been established for a long time. So why they see the need to spend 70% of the segment showing it. Are they suddenly loosing their confident/faith in the game? Worrying that if they don't show every corner, hair folic on each and every characters, they latest fashion trend... people might not buy it?

Yes, the line up is "great" for the year. But other than Smash fans, there are other genres fans as well. Watching flashes blinking before my eyes is not exactly what I 'm expected. FE? I am not interested, Mario Party? Maybe.... only after it goes on sale, cos I'll get it only for my kid. Did I miss out any, cos it flashes so fast I don't know or remember what I saw... oh wait, I'll just have to go to eshop to check, right? Or wait for the next direct..... ( because Smash will sell like hot cake! )

@jcgonzmo If Smash Ultimate is just an update of the Wii U game, then the Wii U game was just an update of Brawl, which updated Melee which updated the original. Smash is a major system seller on it's own. Pokemon Always moves units as well. The investors frankly don't know what they are talking about. That's why there was all that hype about VR for so long, just like 3D TVs before them, it's already fading into the background as the gimmick it is.

@diablo2 While I loved Sakurai talking up the INSANE polish of the game...Nintendo should have remembered that this conference was for a console that has been: 1) mostly releasing ports; 2) has relatively little BIG non-indie party support; 3) seen two 1st party 2018 to 2019 delays (Yoshi and FE); 4) has their 2 major releases being set at the end of 2018. When you haven't had and don't have an exceedingly robust release schedule of bigger games, hearing Sakurai talk like this, reminds me when you hear someone at work talk about all the time they were able to spend on a project, how great it is, and you're sitting there thinking, "well crap, if you had all that time to get in all those details, you should have maybe helped me out on my stuff so I hit my deadlines." Sakurai (I think) is contracted different at Nintendo than other creatives, so my comment doesn't totally apply EXCEPT that the perception of the audience isn't informed by that knowledge. Going to be an interesting year - plummeting stock prices are a good thing - when Nintendo does bad, we a full force response like we saw in the Switch's Year 1, or the innovation of the Wii after Gamecube, or the DS in the face of the PSP.

@rjejr Thanks for the info. It seems I end up buying both a Sony and Nintendo console for each generation, just I'll get the Nintendo console first with Sony to follow later.

@wazlon "just I'll get the Nintendo console first with Sony to follow later."

I do the same thing. Cost is a big factor.

I bought a Wii launch month, Wii U August 10 months after launch, Switch 8 months after launch - the day the SMO bundle came out. I traded in my Xbox One for $140 to afford the $380 bundle. I bought the Xbox 1 on clearance at Target for $175 about 6 months earlier.

I bought a PS2 when it dropped to $199 and FFX came out, I think about 2 years after launch.

I bought a PS3 about 2 years after launch when Amazon had a bundle w/ a couple of games and a blu ray movie for about $300

I bought a PS4 Slim two Christmas ago, so 3 years after launch? The first Christmas after Slim came out. I think I got the U4 bundle for $249 maybe.

I'm not sure when or what my next console will be. Probably depend on if PS5 has full backwards compatibility or not and upgrades the PS4 games like PS4 Pro does and what it costs. Or I may just quit gaming, it was a bad E3.