The NES Classic Mini launches in November, and Nintendo has released a new trailer for the console which not only shows off some of the included games but also goes into detail regarding the various new modes and options available on the system.
One of the big draws for PAL gamers is that the system plays games in 60Hz rather than the slower 50Hz that Europe was accustomed to back in the late '80s and early '90s. However, if you like your old school visuals then you'll be pleased to learn that the system has a CRT filter which applies scanlines to the image, just like the good old days.
As well as the typical save game system included in each title you can also have up to four "suspend points" per game, which should come in handy. The trailer also shows off some of the console's UI, which looks pretty swish if you ask us.
If you've not ordered one of these yet then you'll want to check out our pre-order guides for North America and the UK. You might want to get in quick if you want one before Christmas as Amazon UK has already confirmed that it has sold out of its launch day stock.
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
Where are the codes and passwords?!
I'd buy it nearly just for the box. 😊
Edit: I'm only after seeing the bit about the games running @ 60hz. That was important to me. After playing SMB3 @60hz on, cough! emu!!! the 50hz pal VC version I have on my Wii felt like it was in slow motion by comparison. Nintendo also ruined the Super Mario all Stars disc they released for Wii in Europe. It's so sloooooow.
It's only missing wlan NES games downloads with eShop cards (and an SD card slot) and I would buy.
Glad a cancelled mine.
Good! 50hz should have been long gone by now and finally Nintendo is giving us PAL gamers the right versions of course this doesn't mean the VC will see any changes regarding the 50hz issue.
Here it is!!
Nintendo's NXt console!!
A really clever move this mini idea. Hope it have a good future and new mini consoles on the way. One per year is a good number.
These are VC features we should have got on Wii U!
@BensonUii That picture gives me the heebie jeebies from MY childhood. Isn't that from Saint Seiya?
It seems this is more of a collectors item than for the casuals. Low stock
@ThanosReXXX Remember those job openings for marketing Home and Away consoles? Well here's your Home, NX must be Away.
And that logic is just as sound as - NX must be Home b/c some guy in some meeting said Nintendo was back in the race. Bloody insane Youtubbers.
I hope we see a mini SNES in the future. It would be such a good concept that it sounds too good to be true.
Curious what's the Globe with an "A" icon for at the top of the screen, Internet connection confirmed? or maybe translation?
Save Slots ?! WOW !!
That power button looks so wonky. Like break on the third use wonky. Not saying it will, just noticing how weird a big button like that looks compared to today's technology. Could you imagine a big rectangular push in push out button like that on a smartphone? Reminds me of my cheap blenders that never work right.
I'm sure it will be fine, just popped out at me. No pun intended.
Nice! Now, Nintendo and retailers, let me preorder the GD thing in the states.
Yay save states!!
@Yalaa There are only very few 50Hz VC games on Wii U, though.
@Wyk126 Language selection. This is the UK video, and games released in Europe have to be inEnglish, Spanish, Italian, etc...
@Tamalesyatole Make sense
@Wyk126 internet connection in a system with no wifi lol
Fake Kraid at 2:14!
I cant wait for mine!! preordered it and its due on 11th november, which is a thursday, going to pick it up at 9am on the way tow ork lol. AWESOME! THEN I WILL BE PLAYING WITH POWER!
I also just received my 8bitdo NES wireless controller dongle for use with my childhood NES system PAL version Mattel system. Nothign wrong with PAL it works all the same - Aussie kids are PAL kids! Although all tvs in AUS have run in 60hz now for about 20 yrs so theres not need for PAL anymore so glad they realised this.
Did people not watch the video? It has 50 Hz and 60 Hz support. What's even more important is that it has a pixel-perfect mode
@scamander Actually there are like 16 titles which is an improvement over the Wii VC but more than enough to clearly understand that Nintendo is just trolling it's PAL gamers.
By giving us Mario64 in 60hz you would think they finally got the message only for them to baffle us again with Ocarina of Time & Majoras Mask in 50hz. The same happened with DKC trilogy.
Still rather have this than a PS4 Pro
Really wish they would open pre-orders in Canada...
But no, I know you were joking, but there's also a thing called trying too hard to unravel my indisputable logic...
I'm still waiting on quite a few other replies, and now you're adding new threads yourself. You always having a backlog is starting to make a bit more sense to me now.
As for me, with having answered this one, I'm completely up to speed again...
@rjejr But if we look at it in all seriousness, the logic is far from sound. Yves Guillemot isn't just somebody. He's more or less the European counterpart of Miyamoto. He's a BIG name in gaming, so maybe not all, but definitely a LOT of what he says can be taken seriously without ever needing a single grain of salt.
And what he says certainly implies a home console, because Nintendo is already king in the handheld department, so where would they have to be "back" in the race? Exactly...
And the NES Mini can never be seen as something that they would need a permanent marketing lead for, since it's just a temporary thing. You could hire a freelancer for that. Unless they plan to follow it up with a SNES Mini and a N64 Mini.
But even then, it still wouldn't be enough to permanently hire someone for...
Cool but not for me. If it had online support to download additional games, I'd be in. I already own all these games and have been playing them on my HDTV for 10 years now via a modded ps1. Have about 800 NES games on one burned disc. Lol
Good for people who never owned, or lost, an NES, I suppose. I still have a lot of my old games, and the superior redesign of the NES to play them on (top loader with dog bone controllers), so...
@invictus4000 You're missing the point of the device.
@Yalaa I can kinda understand, that they rather opt for the multi-5 50Hz version with text-heavier games. Of course they could easily implement the option to download either 50Hz or 60Hz (or even Japanese versions), but I don't see that happening tbh. The European market is almost always an afterthought. -.-
This thing needs its own eShop. Than its gonna be huge success.
Yeah I thought that too. And man, I wish it had a slot for cartridges! But hopefully the eshop will carry over to the NX! That'll be a big betrayal on Nintendo's part if it doesn't. I have tons of games that I have spent a lot of money on. Especially on a system that barely lasted 4 years.
@ThanosReXXX Haha, apparently so.
@invictus4000 Although I agree with all the bonuses that online connectivity could bring, it's not called "Classic" Mini for nothing.
It's supposed to give you the genuine experience from the original NES, from a time when there was no online and controllers still had wires. (saw some people complain about that too in previous threads about the NES Mini)
The only thing it DOES miss to complete the experience is a real cartridge slot, but obviously, the system is simply too small to have one, so making some kind of solution for that would also break the immersion of playing on a "real" NES.
To some extent, the internal menu is already ruining the experience, but I guess that's the only possible solution to have all these games in such a small form factor, and still have it be an original Nintendo product.
All other complaints that I've seen all seem to be a case of being spoiled by modern day gaming to me. Consoles didn't have all these options, so neither should this re-imagining of the original, because that is just not the point of it.
The people that don't get that, are probably not the right target audience for this system...
@ThanosReXXX Youtubbers did look funny to me, but I wasn't sure how, then I decided I liked it, so I left it. I think the plural of Youtuber needs an extra b. Do you know the song Tubthumper? Man I hate that song.
Aren't you making a lot of assumptions for what Nintendo would and wouldn't need to hire a marketing team for? This could be a holiday one-off, or it could be a year round effort. Next year could bring us Mini NES 2 with 30 other games - I know nothing about the NES games catalogue - or Mini SNES. And I do think SNES could have a 2. Nintendo could then let this drop, or market both side by side. Maybe they'll make a Mini Gameboy (ok, I'm really out of my league on Nintendo handhelds). I was making a joke, but at the same time this nostalgia toy isn't really like anything Nintendo has sold before, so maybe they did hire a team as they plan to make "nostalgia" a long term source of income. I don't think we know enough for you to just write it off as "oh its nothing". Maybe nothing, maybe something.
It has a miniUSB port for power, I hope that could be use for something other than just powering on the hardware. The RetroUSB AVS used the miniUSB port and cable to connect to the PC for updates and high scores, I hope the mini NES had that feature as well.
@rjejr "Do you know the song Tubthumper? "
And thanks for reminding me...
Back then, I played a lot of Fifa on the N64, and that was the theme song/intro song, but I always skipped through it as fast as possible.
"Aren't you making a lot of assumptions?"
No. I actually read the entire job description and it definitely does not point to these retro devices (assuming there are going to be more of them), because it mentions modern gaming engines and such. I only claim stuff that I know is true, otherwise I'll add some nuance to show that it's either my opinion, suspicion or a theory. But in this case, it's pretty clear.
And I knew you were joking, but I also sensed some seriousness/sarcasm behind the joke, which is why I added that second reply.
As for the whole back in the race thing, besides what I already said, our old friend PE has also posted a mini rant about it, which starts around 4m50s into this video:
And although it's a rant, he is still 200% on the money. No if's and's or but's about it.
But as far as Nintendo is concerned, some people will always keep complaining no matter if they do everything wrong or everything right. It's almost a day job for some to find that single thing that still enables them to keep whining. It's highly demotivating, up to the point of becoming disgusting...
I hope that sometimes it doesn't turn on and the only way you can get it to work again is by blowing in a special slot. Then Nintendo needs to tell everyone repeatedly that blowing in that slot doesn't actually help and may indeed damage the NES mini. That way I can relive the conflict of knowing how to get my game to work but afraid it is eventually going to make things worse.
yikes. NES players are some of the most hardcore, masochistic gamers I've ever met. I beat Legend of Zelda, and that game was the most Dark Souls experience I've ever had the misfortune to play.
I almost rage quit tons of times, and I've beat Dark Souls 1-2, Bloodborne, and have a platinum on Demon's Souls. NES games just aren't for me.
The emulation looks fantastic, the UI looks fabulous, and the inclusion of the filters are great. Well worth my £49.99 pre-order.
I need to point out that they were showing gameplay for Castlevania 1, but labeled it Simon's Quest.
@Pahvi haha good one. Wait? Are you serious?
I understand getting used to something but Jesus that's not the way the games were meant. You were playing slow ass versions. Lol.
@Ralizah I have that dog bone and it's not superior I think. He dpad isn't as good and the button layout curves up which isn't as good as the og one. Also the top loader doesn't support anything but rf unless is modded and it loses a lot of the og look of the original.
Plus if you're going to mod the top loader might as well mod the og one for region free which a child can do and clean the pins or replace them with the blinking light win pins and the console works 100% if your games aren't dirty.
@Kobeskillz The D-Pad on the dogbone feels fine to me. The most important thing, though, is that the controller feels like it's actually designed to be comfortable in human hands. The original NES controller was a bulky, boxy thing that I've never been comfortable using. The dogbone controller is pretty much a simplified version of the excellent SNES controller. Sloping buttons never bothered me on SNES, and they don't bother me on the dogbone.
As to top loader only supporting rf... I will say that is one drawback of the machine. It doesn't make that huge of a difference, though, and the top loader has an elegant design that is MUCH more convenient. All of the front loaders I've owned have been a gigantic hassle, and frankly, there's no reason to struggle with inferior hardware design when something like the NES 2.0 exists.
I didn't like this trailer. I like the more straightforward style of the Japanese promo. Still, good to see a bit of the functionality shown off. Looks like there's no scanline option as I'd hoped, but never expected. I'm a believer in scanlines. Also disappointed the Famicom mini is getting Mario Open Tournament Golf. I mentioned that one as one I wished was included for the mini NES. It would be a good fit for such a device. I am in no hurry to pick this up. If it's still available down the line, I might get it for the novelty, but I have no interest dealing with the pre-orders, the holiday rush and any shortages Nintendo likes to create.
Nintendo take my money! Wish North American retailers would open up their preorders already.
@rdrunner1178 It's not like your Wii U will die after NX is released. Your games will still be there. At least I'm not intending to forget my Wii U after NX is released.
Is it me, but did they show a clip from the Castlevania when the caption said Castlevania II?
I'm buying one. Sure, I could play any of these games emulated through my PC, but this can be easily transported to different TVs in my house, or to hotels when I go out of town. Great selection of games too.
@BensonUii I remember huge lists for Gameboy games...
@Ralizah the controller is probably just preference. The rf thing though man that looks like hot garbage. The composite makes a huge difference even on the nes.
Also for me I'll admit Nostalgia.
@Pahvi yeah sorry 50 I'd like pan and scan on movies before. Widescreen is how they were meant. Samething here. 60 is absolutely the way the game should run and play.
@Kobeskillz It's not that huge of a difference. The worst thing about the top loader are those faint lines you can see on light colored portions of the screen, but otherwise there's not a huge difference. At least, not on any TV I've ever owned.
@Ralizah I aleays wanted a top loader for the novelty. I might buy a modded one. To preserve my og one from my childhood.
People! Look at the bottom of the official NES Mini website! It has a logo with the subtitle: "Classics"!
NINTENDO MINI SERIES CONFIRMED!
@ThanosReXXX That "back in the race" comment is just laughable so I haven't really paid it any mind. If it's a $299 handheld with TV out or a $399 hybrid with a dock, as long as it plays the same games as the other 2 home consoles, then they are back in the race against the home consoles. As I've said many times before, it's not about the hardware, it's all about the games. If Nintendo hardware plays the same games as the other 2 home consoles then it is back in the race for consumers. Home, away, hybrid, it doesn't matter, as long as it plays the games on tv.
It's on its face laughable, it shouldn't even need to be explained. Any hardware that plays those games on a tv is in the race. Period.
@Pahvi hey some people still like pan and scan. More powerful to you. It would probably even help in some intense games I would imagine. I'm looking at you contra!
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@rjejr Ah.... now you're just being grumpy old "get of my lawn" guy again, my friend. You are either being a bit too American or too pessimistic, don't quite know which of the two yet, but either way, a little bit of European down to Earth-ness and positivity here or there certainly wouldn't hurt.
I already noticed some vinegar in the previous comment denoting Yves Guillemot as "some guy" who said "some stuff" about NX, which in your mind means absolutely nothing, but I so HUGELY disagree.
The man is big, important, and if anything, he is genuine. He is not going to say that Nintendo are to be taken seriously again if they come out with some wonky tablet or a handheld with a TV out, that's just absolutely nothing to get so positive about, and therefore it isn't.
I understand your frustration so I can't fault you for that, especially since I feel the same way and we've already agreed on multiple occasions that it is far beyond time that Nintendo should reveal the damn thing already, but saying that any hardware that connects to the TV and plays current gen games is in the race... well, that's actually immensely laughable.
That would mean that any kid's tablet or smart phone that displays Flappy Bird on your TV is also in the race, which it obviously isn't.
What he is saying, CLEARLY points to capable hardware, not to "well, Nintendo made a handheld and it plays on TV, so I guess that also kinda counts"... (think of that as being said in a dumb hillbilly voice to make it sound exactly as stupid as I want it to be)
And OF COURSE it's not about the hardware. I know that, I wasn't born yesterday, but the hardware does need to be enticing enough for people to buy it so that enough of them are in homes around the world for third parties to see the value of investing their time and money in it.
Here's a Rule of 2 Review video that objectively discusses the whole "Ubisoft said" topic titled "Should we trust Ubisoft's comments about the Nintendo NX?". I think it is quite applicable here:
In other news, nothing to report on AMD or DMP (or HNF), but I'll let you know as soon as something pops up...
Seriously thinking about emailing Yves Guillemot, to ask him some stuff concerning his latest statements. Found his address online. I would of course use my business as an excuse...
Could they have used more irritating sizzle reel music? Otherwise, very cool.
I'd really have to go back and look, but could someone explain the difference to me between 50hz and 60hz? I take it that it doesn't have to do with picture quality but more so with how fast actions are produced on the screen?
@ThanosReXXX I never said any device that hooks to the TV, I said any device that plays the same games - Madden, FIFA, COD. A kids tablet or a Ouya isn't going to play those games. A Ouya is a home console that plays games on a tv, but I'm assuming you and "that guy" wouldn't include it in the race. Why not? Because it doesn't play the same games as those in the race.
And you don't know what would excite "that guy". Maybe he has been waiting all his life for a handheld with the same power as home condole. Maybe a hybrid is exactly what turns this guy on. You don't know, nobody knows but him, it's all assumptions.
To say it's "in the race" means to me it plays the same games, that is the race. Is the Ouya in the race, is the Shield TV in the race? No, they are not, b/c it's a different set of games. So maybe Nintendo makes a home console, maybe it's a $199 3DS player. Is that in the race? Probably not, but it's still a home condole if Nintendo says it is. You are the one who told me Nintendo decides what is and isn't a home console, not Sony, MS or the sheeple, so if Nintendo calls it a home console, then it is, regardless of what games it plays.
So yes, he's excited about Nintendo hardware that is in the race. But he never said home console, and that's pretty much the end of that. Here's another interpretation. He said "the NX", so, hybrid confirmed. See how easy it is to manipulate words, words mean nothing when they are being interpreted by others. The NX is in the race. THE NX that is THE hybrid. It's just words.
And what I am angry about is people treating all these words like they are Indiana Jones and they've discovered the lost ark. Rumours, leaks, lies and interpretation, why don't they #justtellus
I'm not mad at that guy, I just don't feel like learning his name over some insignificant comments. He shows me some pics and gives me some concrete details, then I'll learn his name.
Man I used to hate PAL so much as a kid because of the video game slowdown (and video speedup when ntsc shows were played on TV).
I remember playing Street Fighter 2 on a PAL SNES in Australia and thinking, what is this slow crap?? I couldn't help but wonder if this made aussie kids poor gamers because they were used to their games being slow.
The thing is Nintendo sped up Super Mario Bros on PAL NES to compensate. The problem is it was sped up too much, so PAL kids remember the Mario music as being a faster pace than the original.
@rjejr Never said you had to learn his name or sing his praises, my friend, just that you should not so easily discount him or what he says. That's all. If he was just a developer, then I would agree with you and label him "just a guy", but now he is a big wig in the European and worldwide gaming scene and he stands on even ground with Miyamoto and the like, and THAT is why we shouldn't immediately disregard everything he says.
And we kind of do know what excites Yves Guillemot, because he has once already admitted to not liking the Wii U or at least, not thinking it to be competent enough to receive any big titles after Watch_Dogs, which was of course also because of the bad sales, but that is what it is about for all of them: Ubisoft, EA, Capcom, Activision. Getting out what they put in + profit, and the Wii U just didn't do that for them.
So, a handheld or hybrid with only Wii U level graphics isn't going to excite him (or any large publisher/developer for that matter) and remember what I told you a while ago, about him specifically using the word "machine"? That truly is not something that a Frenchman would use for a handheld or a small form factor device such as a hybrid, so even though nothing is set in stone, that's yet another strong clue towards it being a home console.
And we can say what we want about Ubisoft and b... and moan about their abysmal games, but they were the Wii U's biggest and longest lasting supporter, as far as third party support is concerned, so that too is a reason not to discount them so offhandedly.
The thing about what makes a console a true console was more me trying to get across that just because of it having a cartridge slot instead of a disc drive it isn't any less of a real console. If you truly believe that, then the market has fooled you over the years into believing that lie.
Cartridges have ruled consoles (AND handhelds) for the better part of their existence and in their current form, they are superior in every way except cost. And in several other threads I already made the point about the uselessness/inferiority of discs in current gen consoles. A point that is truly indisputable.
"See how easy it is to manipulate words"
That's neither my intention nor what I'm trying to do. Like you, I'm frustrated with waiting and therefore I'm trying to filter out what I can, by applying logic to what little snippets of info we have, and combine them with these leaks and statements and then at least try to come to some feasible conclusion. I just want answers. Leafing through site after site and YouTube channel every day, because Nintendo ain't talking, with only a little bit of info to be gleaned a couple of times a week is starting to get real old real fast...
And just one last thing about the being "in the race": you seem to keep wanting to make and end to it, but it makes no sense, or at least not enough. I'm trying to assess all these statements as objectively as possible, so I'm not trying to read my own wishes into it.
Being in a race should at the very least mean that hardware is on par, which automatically makes it a capable machine, which makes it a console. No handheld or hybrid could achieve Xbox One/PS4 graphics, or at least not for the price that you're dreaming about paying for NX...
@rjejr There's some new snippets after all...
Scroll down passed a disappointed HNF and SMD agreeing with us on why the hell Nintendo is not talking, and you'll find some new info on DMP and such.
According to HNF, this is what one of his sources has shared with him, he said a couple of days ago that he would slowly release all the info he has received the last few days, so expect more to come over the weekend, unless you don't give a sh.. anymore, in which case I will stop sending you stuff like this.
@rjejr Say what you want about Nintendo but having console hardware failure issues is maybe the last thing you can say about them.
@ThanosReXXX If Nvidia is making NX chips, somebody should tell them, b/c I don't think they know, and neither does a single analyst anywhere.
@rjejr That's an interesting article. How did you come across that one? Well, if it wasn't already as good as decided, then this will certainly add some more credibility to that all but confirmed fact.
I'm assuming by their stupefying silence on the matter, that EuroGamer is feeling dumber by the day. Or at least the article writer, who already messed up with the original 3DS, and now seems to have made the same mistake all over again...
@invictus4000 Um, how is the NES emulation on the PS1? If it's good, is there a particular reason for that, like, some similarity in hardware?
Netplay is a thing in many emulators.
@Pahvi You like 20% slower speeds? Ouch.
honestly aside from super mario bros 3, i find the NES pretty boring
Nice, that GUI looks pretty clean. Also, the pixel perfect excites me, looks good! I wonder is how the emulation itself is, must be very close to the real thing if the big N releases it.
After that the only thing preventing me to buy one is its non-expandibility. Till then I'll do fine with my AV Famicom toploader + everdrive n8.
@LemonSlice The games play like a charm. One of my old room mates was quite the pirate so he saudered a chip onto my ps1's motherboard to make it read burned discs then made me the NES disc. Not sure of details beyond that but it simply boots up an alphabetical last of pretty much every NES game ever.
That was CastleVania 1, not II!
I wish the NES mini and e-Reader were combined so I could swipe the black stripe on the top and play games off trading cards.
@ThanosReXXX That article popped up in my Yahoo Finance app, I've been tracking news stories for Nvida, Sony, Nintendo, Amazon MS and Google. I suppose I could follow AMD and DMP but I never thought to add them.
I just found it interesting that they were talking about stuff in late 2017 already, stuff after Parker, but these 2 analysts from actual companies don't seem to have any comment on 10 million hardware units hitting the market in March.
"Separately, NVIDIA announced “Xavier,” its next- next-gen (after Parker) AI platform, featuring one Volta GPU and eight custom ARM CPU cores, targeted for sampling in DRIVE PX 2 implementation by late-2017."
I'm not sure they could keep that info from analysts only 6 months out. The other analyst was talking about stuff 2 years out. 10 million in March I think we'd know about by know.
Of course, since I always have to play devil's advocate w/ myself - I'm the only 1 I don't get angry at - somebody, AMD or DMP - is sitting on a 10 million unit sale to Nintendo - maybe 2 companies are each sitting on 10 million unit sales for Home and Away - and nobody else has made it official yet either. I know AMD has it's ARM and x86 wins, but it hasn't announced a new deal w/ Nintendo yet. I'm not sure about DMP, too hard following everything via Google translate. But while Nvidia not saying anything, or analysts not predicting anything, makes it look to me like they aren't, nobody has seriously stepped in to fill the void. And if both DMP and AMD are involved, well you'd think 1 of them would have spilled the beans by now. Or analysts would be projecting it. It may not be that big of a deal for AMD, they got other stuff going on, NX would be a small part of their overall business, but I would think it would matter to DMP.
Oh well, welcome to October, day 4 w/o a hint of the sun. I probably should have warned you my happiness is solar powered. It's why I switched to that avatar, to cheer myself up. Not working too good so far.
@Amrulez I never said there would be a hardware failure, I think I made myself clear on that, not once, but twice, just to prevent any confusion. It just looks so archaic compared to modern types of buttons. My PS3 doesn't even haves, it's just a touch interface.
"Not saying it will ...I'm sure it will be fine,"
@rjejr Well, guess we are both in luck then, since it's pouring from the skies over here too. Way back before I started my real sales & marketing job, I did two years of door 2 door sales, and our manager there used to say that rain was "liquid sunshine" as if to make us believe that it was a joy to walk through it... the idiot...
I'm suspecting PE to be in some heavy weather too. The brother is mad...
Interesting stuff, your story tracking. Back when I was still working for a large company, I used to be subscribed to several financial websites, and also sites like The Wall Street Journal, but mostly in order to gather information that I could use at work.
Now, I'm not subscribed to any of them anymore, since I don't use the info and on a personal level, I'm just not that interested in it anymore, unless it concerns certain topics, like now. But to me, that's simply too little to subscribe to anything. I've got game sites, YouTube and Google for that. Although it is annoying when someone quotes or links to the Wall Street Journal and you can't read the entire article because you're not a subscriber anymore...
Agreed on Nvidia, DMP and AMD, I would only add that there must be some really strict NDA's going on, since there are vague hints and semi-confirmed proof available from both AMD and DMP, except there are no official statements.
And not because Dave and OJ/Francis said so, but now that it is known that Nvidia is doing something with Apple, it is all but confirmed that AMD is going to be in the main NX system, with them still having one unconfirmed design win in gaming. I mean, what other device could that be? I don't think AMD provides for smaller parties or unknown companies, so it certainly seems to add up.
And DMP is hard at work making SoC's designed for "devices" coming out in 2017. Their stocks have seriously risen and according to their own words, they are expecting a serious profit margin and growth in the next year because of some "large order". Maybe that's a 10 million pieces order...
Seeing as they only do cameras and Nintendo handhelds, that too is all but confirmed, so all in all, my bet is still AMD home console with streaming controller and DMP handheld.
And have you read those DMP tweets on HNF's Twitter account? They're all English slides, not an Asian syllable in sight...
And DMP themselves also have a language selector on their site, so you can switch to readable, non-Google Translate English with the click of a button.
Here are the latest videos for your viewing (or listening) pleasure:
A relatively new guy calling himself "Nintendo Examiner" also did an interesting video, about the whole Ubisoft thing:
(I know, I know. Not trying to annoy you, but he does bring up some interesting points. Oh, and it's a slightly longer video, 20mins to be exact)
@rjejr Agreed, I didn't mean you were saying that I was just saying knowing Nintendo hardware the button probably will be pretty durable
@rjejr HNF is going to do another live stream with that buddy of mine. They've decided to do one every week, at least until the NX is revealed. And they're also going to do a live stream during and after the reveal. Busy little people they are, both juggling work, family life with kids, and still finding the time to do videos and 1 or 2 hour live streams...
@rjejr An older patent popped up once again. Just look at all parts mentioned, clearly pointing at being a home console. And you'll be happy to see that it actually has an internal hard drive too...
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru HNF live stream beginning in 31 minutes:
@ThanosReXXX "And you'll be happy to see that it actually has an internal hard drive too... "
I'm not sure what would shock me more, a HDD or a disc drive as I don't expect it to get either one. It's funny, b/c I don't expect it to get a disc drive, carts make more sense, but if it had 1 I'd be "oh well", but an actual HDD, not a SDD or or something, I'd be shocked. Probably in a good way, it would seem competitive then if they threw a 500GB in there. But I just don't see it.
@rjejr Well, then look again, it's in the picture of the patent I linked to in comment #95. It describes a device with both an internal HDD and an option to connect an external one. And it also clearly describes a cartridge slot.
@ThanosReXXX Find me 1 object in the real world that looks identical to the patent, like architect blueprint identical, then maybe I'll care what's in that pantent. I'm sure the patent would be just as valid with a 128GB SSD as a 500GB HDD but for me those 2 are different things in size, cost, power consumption, reliability and likelihood of being in there.
Looks like I was wrong about cost, those 2 sizes are about the same now. 128 seems even more likely to me now in a Home or hybrid, handheld would maybe get 32GB, or just a SD card and nothing built in.
@rjejr Yeah, let's not mince words. To me, an HDD or an SSD is exactly the same. In any case, it will have ample storage. But the patent specifically mentions HDD, not SSD, so that could mean something. Nothing solid yet, but I did find it odd that this specific patent popped up again now after almost (or more than?) a year.
@ThanosReXXX Man, what hasn't popped up again lately? That Aiken Morphus video you posted on here on August 26th is making the rounds on my twitter feed. Next thing you know, people will find out about Gamevice and Wikipad. Nobody has mentioned Eurogamer screwing up Tegra in 3DS though.
Day 5 of no sunshine, I had to pan fry my frankfurters for dinner last night, cover continues to stay on the bbq. Now I'm not sure what comes next, NX news or hurricane Matthew?
This year, Nintendo will remind them.
Pretty sure this will sell out very quickly. They're going to have to keep up with the preorders to check if they need to keep production running. Or maybe they WANT it to be a little bit of a collector's item, which I wouldn't put past them.
@ThanosReXXX According to this article from 4 days ago the cheapest a HDD can get is about $40 b/c of all the moving parts, regardless of size, it just can't be cheaper than $40. So, if Nintendo can get 128GB SSD for $40, which seems about the current average, that might be the way to go. It might be a smaller size than the other 2, but I think gamers would appreciate Nintendo using newer tech.
Bonus Nvidia article 2/3 the way down the page. It explains how they will give birth to Skynet.
@rjejr "cover continues to stay on the bbq"
Well, seeing as the season is officially over, I suppose the bbq isn't going to see much daylight anymore in anyone's home, unless you're living on the sunny side of the Earth...
And I think Nintendo will indeed go for the SSD: smaller form factor than a normal HDD, no moving parts, so both quiet and less heat generation, so far more energy efficient, right up their alley, methinks...
@rjejr Interesting article, with some pretty damning statements of why Nvidia is not going to be in NX. If only their new chip Xavier, which isn't coming to market any time soon, can handle the heat generation problems, and reduce size and wattage to an acceptable level, there's no way that a Tegra X1 or X2, which do have these problems (unless you heavily underclock them, negating any possible quality to be gained from them) is going to be anywhere near NX. It'll be in the handheld dev kit, to emulate the DMP M3000 because it is more powerful. Other than that, same story as with the 3DS, but I'll skip this topic from now on, since I do believe that you are already more or less in agreement with me here, so no need to keep preaching...
In other news: did some more detective work and came across a new insider. Cross referenced with a couple of people in the biz, and it seems legit, person has contacts in both tech and game development industry. HNF also said the info and resumé of the insider checks out. But for me, that was only a bonus, since I'll happily go by my own assessment and findings.
Either way, some interesting info, if it turns out to be true...
Let me know when you're live on the site, or look up that email address of mine in your inbox.
Would like to share with you, but it'll either be post and delete here, or private messaging...
@rjejr Aw man, there go my cloak and dagger skills...
She (yes, the source is a girl) decided to go public with her up til recently still private Twitter account, so no need for me to post and delete anymore. Have at it my friend, hope you like redheads...
And what with all the info she is letting loose on the world, I think I'm going to call her the "anti-Emily". I'm pretty sure you're going to like most of it, except something to do with price point...
There do seem to be three SKU's though, so maybe that'll make you smile. Well, it's off to bed for me. Have fun reading all the info, it's quite a few Tweets, listing a decent amount of info, probably more specific information than what we have received so far combined...
@rjejr Forgot to drag the Captain back into it, as well. I am still a bit shocked that all my detective work is nullified by her going public...
Here, @Captain_Gonru, have a look at my comments above this one and enjoy the latest leaks and rumors from my new source...
@Captain_Gonru Well, glad I made someone happy. One down, one to go...
@Captain_Gonru Yeah, well... November could happen, seeing as there is STILL no news from any kind of Nintendo representative, so no reveal, no announcement of a reveal, and we're in October...
I certainly hope it isn't going to be November, but let's just say that I'm not going to be too surprised either.
By the way, shortly after I sent you that comment to take a look at that Twitter page, I found out that she has locked her page again, so now you can only read her Tweets if you're an approved follower.
Guess she was just as stunned by her own move going public as I was and so she more or less immediately shut it down again...
She says she's going to open up again in November, so again that date, which must at least mean that we will certainly know something by then.
I guess it's bound to happen any day now... (the announcement, of course, not the reveal itself, unless they've got some surprise planned)
@Captain_Gonru And @rjejr wants to play it safe (can't really blame him either), so good luck trying to persuade him to step off his 50-50 train...
@ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru Everything we know about the NX ya'all.
@Captain_Gonru @ThanosReXXX It's not a matter of playing it safe, it's a matter of trying to make sense of it all. Trying to combine what I would like, what Nintendo might like, what I think might sell, what I think Nintendo thinks might sell, what Nintendo has said in the past, what Nintendo has not done in the past, what Nintendo has changed it's mind or stance on in the past, all the rumours, and the sounds of silence, and the definition of words that we all take for granted like "home console", "handheld", "hybrid" and "fusion". That's a lot to combine. And I always try to combine them, b/c in my reality there are no 100% sure things, there are only varying viewpoints.
It's the story of the 6 blind men trying to describe the elephant. You can't take any one person's word for it, you have to combine them all.
NX probably hasn't been 100% outed by anyone yet, its all just puzzle pieces. And I don't throw pieces away, I make them fit. Even if making them fit means taking them out of the equation. Imagine 3 more people in that pic "not" touching the elephant, they are blindfolded after all, how do they know if they really are touching it or not? Maybe it's a dev kit elephant they have their hands on?
Read twitter late last night before going to bed, before it going private again this morning. Looked good except for the prices. Not that I think they aren't correct, could be, but they won't sell. Too many choices freezes consumers wallets. And 1 of those choices is buy the Wii U version of Zelda BotW. They better cancel that version if they think $450 is a good idea.
And, it still doesn't convince me HC isn't a dock. If the cart goes in the handheld, not in Home, Nintendo can call it anything they want, but it isn't a Home console to me if my kid can take the HH with him, leaving me a useless box sitting next to my tv. I don't think they'll do that, make a reverse Wii U, but I can't rule it out 100% either. If Away and Home each play the games, why bundle them at such a high price? Learn from Wii U, sell Away separately to my kids, sell Home to me. At $350 they sell nothing.
Going 'round in circles. If they wait until November I may ban them from my home permanently. My kids can play when they go away to college.
@rjejr "And I don't throw pieces away, I make them fit."
Trying to make sense of it all is good, as long as you don't try to do the whole square peg in a round hole thing, because forcing the pieces together isn't really the way to go.
Now I know (I hope) that you're not that fixed on any single part of it all, but objectively speaking, it does seem to me that because you keep mentioning it, that you really believe that there is actually going to be a dock, whereas I am not a 100, but well over 200% certain that there just isn't going to be anything like that. Maybe a charger for the handheld, but no "this will transform your handheld into a home console" kind of thing.
There's no logical reason to have one, and like I have told you several times before, they just wouldn't be able to fit all the necessary hardware into such a type of device, unless it is going to be really bulky or if it is simply going to be a home console with some kind of attachment that you can put your handheld in, which would mean that it's still a full blown home console, except with some sort of clip, but not a dock.
And the SCD is separate, so that too is not going to be in a dock.
And have you somehow missed the part in a lot of my comments where I always keep mentioning that the cartridges are interchangeable between handheld and home console? So there IS going to be a cartridge slot in Home, which also kicks the "just a dock" theory firmly in the nuts...
Maybe, when trying to make all things fit, there's also a considerable factor of overthinking things, which is never good. I just weighed all the options, ruled out the impossible, and the thing that was left, however unlikely (since besides some tweaks and additions, it doesn't really seem to be that new of a way to play at all) must be what it is going to be.
And that is where I stop questioning that, and just go from there, only making minor adjustments when it's called for, but otherwise I'm not going to make myself go crazy, or indeed in circles...
The only two things that I am uncertain about are the prices and the specific form factors. Other than that, the rest is pretty much waiting to be officially confirmed but more or less known.
And even in light of an overwhelming amount of hints and info towards what it's more than likely going to be, there are still idiots that are even uploading their own weird Nvidia/hybrid theories this late into the whole story, once again claiming trusted sources:
A shame too, because he sounds like a grounded person, so I'm always amazed at how apparently sane people can believe such nonsense without any tangible proof to back it up, except for said trusted sources.
Meanwhile, shots are fired at the Aikun Morphus gaming tablet and the people that are dumb enough to believe that this is going to be the NX hybrid:
Try fitting that thing into your pocket without having a laptop carrying case...
Funny thing is that if you search in your inbox, then you'll find that I already told you about this doohickey well over a month ago, and I also emailed that to SMD, which I let him know in the comments section. No response, obviously...
@ThanosReXXX I told my twitter peeps that we talked over that Aikun Morphus back in July and August. I thought I told you that I told them but maybe I forgot to tell you that I told them? Don't know why it's making the rounds now. I mean Gamevice, all of those bluetooth gripping controllers, we weren't over all of that months ago. Guess they're all just catching up to us?
And yes, I know you said a lot of things, and while I do value your opinion and your deductive reasoning skills and your inside sources, doesn't mean just b/c you say so I accept it as fact. Until Nintneod says so there are no facts. And sometimes not even then - see dual Gamepad support and Gamecube on VC. Everything you say is part of the puzzle. And I do include trying to put square pegs in round holes, and when I'm certain they don't fit, which takes a lot for me b/c I don't believe in certainties, I only believe that Nintendo is insane, then I exclude them. (If console manufacturers were the A-Team, BA is Microsoft, Hannibal is Sony, Face is Apple, and Nintendo is Murdoch.)
I forget to mention the new twitter girl saying SCDs later in 2017. That's good, if they are going to try and sell 3 different models now, that's confusion enough.
Besides trying to figure out what the hardware is, I also try to figure out how they are going to sell it. If it is a Home and Away (I'm guessing that was what HH and HC were on twitter, HH = handheld, HC = home console) then why bundle them? OK, I know why, I own a Wii U, HH is the controller. But Wii U failed so miserably, how does that Wii U 2 get people back? And at those prices? That's where I get stuck now. I like separate Home and Away playing the same carts, that was Fusion 2 1/2 years ago, but Wii U was such a failure, Wii U 2 sells why?
2 1/2 year old Fusion youtube video, I know you like those. Pic at 0:53 looks good, minus the disc slot for a cart connector. they even use your Wii U Gmaepad dev kit pic. OVER TWO AND A HALF FREAKIN' YEARS AGO, 32 MONTHS!!
Here's the original rumour secs. I don't beleive it, but I don't not beleive it either. How do they sell it, that's what I want to know.
@rjejr I don't remember you telling me that you shared the Aikun info with your Twitter peeps, but then again: it was well over a month ago, and I do tend to not remember everything we discuss...
"Guess they're all just catching up to us?"
Yeah, true. Guess some old dogs are still better than all those YouTube detectives combined...
And the funny thing is that they now even highlight the dates of the Aikun videos as proof of it not being the famed EuroGamer hybrid, but if these vids have been uploaded so long ago, how come they have never come across them?
I don't do stuff like that full time, and it took me all but a few days to come up with it and within a week I have secured sources and gotten in touch with a Ubisoft developer, and all outside of office hours, because I have other things to do during the day...
"doesn't mean just b/c you say so I accept it as fact"
That also wasn't really what I was going for, more pointing at the 50-50 stance, the either/or and yet the dock thing is always there, so that seems to be in either of the possibilities, and all I'm saying is that it can only be in one of the solutions (namely the hybrid theory), and not in both. If it truly is the AMD/DMP combo, then there probably isn't going to be any dock, because only Nvidia is doing the Shield thing.
" ...and Nintendo is Murdoch"
No argument there. Japanese b...s be crazy...
"I'm guessing that was what HH and HC were on twitter, HH = handheld, HC = home console"
Bingo. Those are the abbreviations that they use on Twitter and on Reddit/NeoGAF.
"And at those prices? That's where I get stuck now"
Yeah, me too, somewhat, but I already mentioned that in the previous reply: it's one of the few things that I still have questions about, even though from a purely professional standpoint, I can see the value for money proposition if they bring both the capable hardware and the games. It will then be a good offer and people will buy it. Of that I'm quite certain.
If it IS simply going to be a Wii U 2 then all the negative connotations that came with that, might do them more damage than they suspect, but I don't think it's going to be all there is to the NX/NX's...
As for that Fusion concept: it was actually one of the few mock ups that I really liked, and the addition of cartridges only makes it better. They were a bit too royal with the specs, though: a Nintendo console with more TFlops than the PS4 Pro, YEARS before that was even an idea in Sony's mind. That bit was a bit of fanboy dreaming that broke the whole Fusion idea for me.
I always expected them to see the light and give us a capable, more modern console more in line with the other two, but I would never expect them to have the biggest numbers in raw power.
That Twitter rumor is more in line with my ideas: 2.5TFlops, which puts it right in between PS4 and PS4 Pro, and that is another rumor that has already been spread several weeks ago by several sources, including my own, so there could definitely be something to that.
And thanks for the compliment, much appreciated. You're not so bad yourself either, what with your Finance app and interesting links and there. And liking the cartoons. The one with the 3 or 4 perspective last time, and now the elephant.
Saved them to my PC to harass other people with whenever it's applicable...
@Captain_Gonru @rjejr Hey people, little redhead has opened up her Twitter account again, and there's a lot of new stuff posted, so you might wanna go and take a look...
Probably a strategy of hers to give people a quick look and then go private again. Great way to entice people to start following her, especially if the first few rumors turn out to be true.
I also LOVE how she says in her disclaimer: "I believe 100% in my informations. You may have doubts. But keep in mind, my sources are my friends. Not my hostages."
If that's not a stab at certain people saying that they have conclusive information, then I don't know what is.
@Captain_Gonru Agreed on the time schedule.
On a side note: wonder where she's from. English is clearly not her native tongue and her account isn't that old either...
@Captain_Gonru @rjejr HNF's very first video using his own voice (besides the three live streams so far)
Some potentially interesting comments, supporting the statements of the Twittery Redhead...
@Captain_Gonru @rjejr PE on mini rant again:
Also check out HNF's Twitter page, he's talking a lot about the apparently imminent reveal and the other leaks I linked you to earlier.
@ThanosReXXX it's after midnight, but she said production no yet started and production started 12 hours apart, so that's a bad beginning. That and the private not private. And it could be delayed, I've already written about ChineseLunar New Year issues with production and shipping.
Oct 21 sounds nice. So did almost every single day in September, so enough of that nonsense.
Yooka-Laylee on disc. Fact, not fiction. Who needs NX anyway.
@rjejr That's not very telling concerning veracity or not. It is indeed 12 hours apart and she states: "production has started, apparently" so seems like she was either surprised by that herself as well, or maybe she doesn't believe it.
Technically, production does not even have to start yet, since they could start 3 - 4 months ahead of the release, which would be a normal manufacturing schedule. Provided of course that March is still the target... (hope I didn't just jinx it)
But yes, Yooka-Laylee is indeed shaping up quite nicely, and having a physical copy is a great addition to anyone's library. That is: if you like that type of game, of course.
@rjejr Come to think of it, the whole "production not started yet/has started apparently" could also have something to do with the Foxconn trial production run, which according to some sources is actually fake, so that's what I've heard and I've also seen it pop up on YouTube and a few sites/forums here and there.
And seeing as that leaked sketch was also fake, that might be a reason for the confusion or doubt concerning whether or not the production line has started yet or not.
My bet is we'll get the reveal first, and THEN production will start, or simultaneously. It's not something you can keep a secret for long, because a factory churning out some kind of hardware but not for either of the other two parties is of course very telling, so we'd know in next to no time...
What's with October 21st? I've read somewhere that this was the date for the first ever Nintendo Direct, but I don't think that is of any importance here. I'm going for the 6th, the 8th or the 11th...
Oh, and little redhead's account is still open after it went public for the second time, so maybe she was a bit taken aback by all the attention, and this tweet also seemed to point at something:
It certainly looked odd to me, so maybe some issues there, or not. Guess we'll never know, but to be honest: I don't care either.
All I care for now is a reveal, so I hope that at least that part of her leaks is true. HNF's own sources also seem to corroborate her statements so that could count for something...
And of course I hope it's a great reveal with a lot of positive stuff in it (those 21 titles she mentioned certainly sound good) that will generate real hype again for Nintendo and NX, because I'd like to see them succeed, also from a purely egotistical standpoint..
So that was only 40 minutes after the "production has not started yet" Tweet, and almost 12 hours before the "production has started, apparently" Tweet. I see no issues here, it fits.
October is Q4 after all, so no lies or contradictions here, methinks. Just a bit of unclarity of when in Q4 production has started/will start.
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru the latest SMD64 and PlayerEssence videos for your viewing/listening pleasure:
And even an NLife video, if you haven't seen it yet:
@ThanosReXXX I never said she was a liar, just that her "information" was contradictory. "Has started" and "has not started" are contradictory statements no matter how you look at them, therefore 1 of her informants was misinformed. And if they are misinformed about production being underway, then they can be misinformed about other things as well.
Nothing else she said impressed me very much. ND, not delayed, maybe delayed a little, while I suppose it's technically "leaks" there's nothing too interesting there. AMD and DMP I suppose, but I've written off Nvida already anyway.
@rjejr You are a weird one sometimes...
Extremely hard to please and on the other hand perfectly willing to put too much time and energy into forcing pieces of puzzles that just don't match together.
What I saw in those statements as a whole (so not simply taking "has started" and "has not started" out of context), which is also why I did that recap in the comments above, is that she got some additional news during the day, which is perfectly plausible.
So, at the time of writing the first Tweet, there was no news on production being started, but she did already give the Q4 2016 window, so that production DID start, or has possibly started 12 hours later (since it's still a rumor either way) is nothing weird and takes nothing away from the fact that she isn't wrong and neither is she contradicting herself. She's just updating her statements and all of them fall well within that aforementioned Q4 2016 window.
And nothing too interesting there? Seriously? @Captain_Gonru and I seem to be reading other Tweets than you. She gives WAY more details than any other leaker up til now combined, save for being less specific concerning hardware specs.
She's being quite specific with games, interface, services, online system, prices and the hardware's functionalities, so there should be something there for everybody.
And she comes verified through my own sources (so thanks for stepping on those toes... ) and HNF's sources as well. I see no reason to at the very least take a wait and see stance. It won't be long now anyway.
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru the latest insider source-related NX Tweet from HNF: https://twitter.com/Happy_Nintendo/status/783304497602891776
@ThanosReXXX I'm not extremely hard to please, I'm easy to please. If you give a system a launch date, give it a name and a description. If you say at E3, we'll tell you about it next year, next year better mean at next years E3. If you sell me a home console for $350 continue to make new games for it at least until the new home console has come out with its games, don't give me 1 game to cover it's last 12 months. And when a game is due in 2015, then 2016, dont hold onto it until 2017 when the new console launches, I paid $350 to bevplayi g it already. PS3 is still getting more games than Wii U and its successor has been out for 3 years already.
So I am easy to please, but when I've been beat on for 18 months I'm also easy to anger.
@rjejr Now THERE we finally have some undeniable truths that even I can fully agree with and am also annoyed about. (although not the last bit since I never bought a Wii U, but I can still imagine the feeling)
Hope this latest bit of rumor isn't going to add insult to injury then: apparently, there are some plans to give the Wii U a price cut shortly before the release of the NX to clear out any remaining supplies. Don't know if it's actually true, but it doesn't seem all that unlikely to me. Does make me wonder how many there are still in stock and if the majority consists of the white version... (that nobody wants, including yours truly)
@ThanosReXXX Well there are 2 types of price cuts. There's - look at all of our cheaper Nintendo Select games, here's a cheaper $199 Wii U to play them on. Then there's - look at our new NX console, as Wii U clear out for $149. The first is a marketing push campaign, the 2nd just happens, no fanfare.
I'm not going to guess which they'll go for, but I don't see them spending a lot on marketing. Paper Mario is out this Friday, if they wanted to push the last few Wii U off the shelves at $199 that was the time. I can't think of a single Nintendo Wii U game between Paper Mario and Zelda BotW, which is at least 6 months away. Skylanders Imaginators and Just Dance will be on it, but nobody will market the Wii U version. But not much else, how sad is that? I'm not sure what else PS3 will get, but probably something. FIFA and PES maybe? So sad.
@rjejr Well, whatever kind of price cut it will be, it will be an excellent time for me to pick one up, because I do need a Wii U to complete my collection of Nintendo consoles, and something I don't think I ever told you: I have a copy of ZombiU sitting on a shelf here, still wrapped in plastic because I could get it for cheap more than a year ago, so that Wii U is definitely still on the list, except not the fugly white one...
@Captain_Gonru shops make you mad? And I'm trying to picture what you saw, but other than large areas splattered with paint or smudges, I can't imagine what it was like to step into a shop aisle looking like a Jackson Pollock painting.
I do wonder where all those white Wii U's are going then, if they are all pulled off the shelves. Did they get a makeover and are they now black with some memory added to it? I do recall reading something back at the release about there being equal quantities of both models in production, so that was either just the first batch or they are now left with an enormous amount of white Wii U's. Those shouldn't cost more than $129 if the rumor of the price cut is actually true.
Oh, and as far as your advice for @rjejr goes: he's already doing some relaxation therapy. You must have missed the little video that he once posted of him doing tai-chi exercises in the local library...
And what is the world coming to if we have to take an example from fictional characters to improve our lives?
By the way: what's with all the text smashed together? Did that on your phone/tablet?
Seems like I stepped into an ant's nest again, simply by giving my honest opinion in this article. Just look at all those idiots attacking me just because they don't agree with me. Only a few people got it, but at least a lot agreed with me, looking at the number of hearts underneath my comments...
@Captain_Gonru I just hit enter after every few lines of text, to space it out and make it a bit more pleasant to read, especially since I tend to put down considerable walls of text, so maybe that'll help you.
If the text in the edit does appear to be like you intended, then pressing enter while holding down shift will work to carry that over to the actual post, but of course that is not going to work on a phone...
@Captain_Gonru And your comment on life advice from fictional characters suddenly reminded me of the original He-Man cartoons...
But we 'Muricans have always been big on morals in cartoons and movies. The rest of the world not so much, which is why I'm used to that now, and that is also why I just had to be a bit sarcastic about it.
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru this made me chuckle:
@ThanosReXXX For the right price I could still recommend a Wii U, but it has to be under $200.
Plus, don't forget that comment about NX and the Wii I architecture - don't buy a Wii U if NX can play those games. Won't do your disc any good, but it could get a port, PS4 and X1 got 1.
And I don't heart, like or plus 1, if I have something to say I'll say it.
@rjejr Wasn't a hint for you to do so, but I just noticed the disparity between people confronting me (your pal Damo included) and my comments getting a lot of likes regardless, so I must have made a valid point somewhere...
As for the Wii U: no worries, I'll definitely buy one. It's just a matter of when and for how much. And I do want to use that disc, so backward compatibility on NX or not, that Wii U is on the list.
There's an interesting nuance in the NX story now posted by one of HNF's followers/partners in crime. He is a verified Reddit/NeoGAF poster that goes by the name Boogie and apparently, he is frequently in contact with a Ubisoft developer. And that developer told him the following: "HH plugs into HC, can take HH separately and play a "portion" of the game from your pocket"
So apparently no dock (yay!), but the handheld plugging straight into the home console with a cable of sorts.
@ThanosReXXX Oh look I'm 3 days behind again. If my wife ever kicks me out she is never going to see an alimony check in the mail.
""HH plugs into HC"
IF IT PLUGS IN IT ITS A DOCK! A DOCK I TELL YOU!! A DOCK!!!
Why would you even mention "a cable", nothing uses cables these days, it's all wireless. Maybe it's not a "dock" as in a noun, but if it connects it's a "dock" as in a verb.
Remember this video you linked to 2 months ago?
3:13 mark, 2nd sketch.
Post #114. you said you liked the "home base looks like an actual console".
Well call it what you want, if it docks into it, it's a "dock". Even if it has AMD and 2.3Tflops, if it sits in it, it's a dock.
"play a "portion" of the game from your pocket""
So, it's a Dreamcast VMU. Only the VMU is built into the controller?
If this thing can only do VMU games like Chao Adventure, not the whole game, NX is garbage, and I'd rather have an underpowered hybrid w/ TV out.
Now, Boogie is probably only half right - some games like Zelda would only play mini-games, downloaded indie games would probably play just fine. But I'd hate to be Nitneod trying to explain that.
Some games play on the Tv,
some games play on the handheld,
some games play on both,
some games play the main game on the Tv and mini-games on the handheld,
all games can stream from the TV to the console if you have 5MB Wi-Fi.
Makes Wii U look easy to understand.
I know I'm going of there, but that one comment - "HH plugs into HC, can take HH separately and play a "portion" of the game from your pocket" - almost tells me more about NX than anything else I've read. Even, if as usual, you and I read it compeltley differently.
Oh, and Damo is NL's bad cop, TW is the good cop, they each have their roll to play. I'm surprised he even bothers with us anymore, he should just realize it's our site and go away.
@rjejr So if I plug an appliance into a wall socket, then it's a dock?
I think we need to establish here what you and I personally see as a dock. For example: if the handheld is in some kind of kickstand with connectors then that's a dock. If the home console has some kind of connector that you have to slide the handheld into, then that's a dock.
If the home console and handheld are sitting side by side and there is some kind of cable or similar contraption connecting the two, then that is NOT a dock. The term "plugging into" definitely seems to point to the latter, otherwise it would have been something like "slides into" or "clicks into". You don't "plug" anything into a dock, other than a mains cable...
There can be no other interpretation of that, not in English anyway...
Not a dock:
But agreed on VMU 2.0 being a bad idea, so let's hope that's not the case.
By the way: funny to see how long it took NL to pick up on this guy's statements, since I already told you hours ago and only now it's on their front page. I do have to say that there are some more positive things he said about it as well, so give that article a look see, and decide for yourself.
@ThanosReXXX No joke, I stopped reading the title after "youtube" and "character", I didn't even get up to the NX part, so I didn't even click on it. We're going to avoid taking over that thread right, you know how Damo gets. And you get. And damo and you get.
"If the home console has some kind of connector that you have to slide the handheld into, then that's a dock."
What's if it's more of a plop than a slide. does it have to slide, can it just click? But yeah, that's the one. Controllers come off to play w/ while it's sitting on top of and connected to the home console via some type of wire-on-wire connection. We went over all of this end of July. You probably weren't too happy w/ me then either.
Did you see damo's introductory line to the quote:
"During the segment Williams states that the console is a hybrid platform, as has been reported on numerous occasions:"
I'm surprised you managed to stay away.
Wait a sceond, why dind't you quote me tis part -
"and then you can detach the thing"
Who the frak uses "detach" to pull out a plug? Detach means to decouple 2 things, not to "unplug" a wire. Or disconnect a wire. Or yank out a wire. Detach, to take apart two things that are attached. I'm thinking physically attached, not wired together.
"it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket, and then when you get back home plug it directly in"
Plug it "directly" in sounds like connecting it "directly" to me, emphasis on direct, as in not "indirectly" w/ a wire between the 2. And he never mentions moving the game cart from one to another, the game cart is in the tablet, like I said. He's describing a hybrid, only it isn't a hybrid it's a piece of garbage if the handheld can only play minigames.
Man I am so staying out of that thread. Well until someone calls me, somebody will. I'm ignoring the call if it's you. I need to think.
"regarding the hybrid nature of the NX? Given how many times we've heard this rumour, surely there's little reason to doubt it now"
@ThanosReXXX Good news, that's not a hybrid. That's a Home w/ a "Go" controller. So there could still be a portable that plays the same carts. But it still sounds like a horrible idea and doomed to failure if later in the year the portable comes out and plays the same games.
Feels like we're getting closer, but we aren't quite there yet.
Boogie may yet just be confused. It could still almost be the same game, just lower res, stereo sound, only 1 screen, not 2. Of course if the "Go" (b/c PSP Go didn't fail hard enough) controller NEEDS to be plugged in for home us e- whether plugged in via wire or slide or click - then maybe only 1 screen for home use as well, the TV screen.
Convoluted mess for the win. Yeah?
I know you wont read any Sony news, but here's what's required to get PSVR running. That's a whole lot of wires going on. And HDR wont 'work w/ it hooked up, so if you buy a PS4 Pro for HDR gaming on your 4k HD RTV, too bad, no HDR for you.
@rjejr "We're going to avoid taking over that thread right"
Honestly, I'm never looking to take over any thread, I just want to be able to speak my mind freely, within reasonable bounds.
Just like I thought I was in the article where two developers almost screwed up with the N64 concept...
"You probably weren't too happy w/ me then either. "
Not happy? More like exasperated...
No man, I know I can't change the mind of someone like you, and that's just fine, so the issue with that is all on my part, and that's the bitter pill that I alone have to swallow. You're still okay in my book though. Probably part of it stems from me being from Cali and you from NYC, even though me living in Amsterdam has certainly taught me to be a lot more direct than I used to be.
Apparently right up to the point of being labeled a jerk (also in that 2 drunk developers article)...
Not going to comment on all the dock stuff. My mind, like yours, is set until the big N makes an official statement that will harshly correct me on the matter...
"Man I am so staying out of that thread"
Yup, me too. Reading it, not commenting. And no worries, I won't do you the displeasure of dragging you in.
I do find all these quotes and statements kind of funny, especially since this very video (don't know if you watched it/listened to it) is also mentioned on HNF's Twitter page. He would never do that if he thinks that it is what EG thinks it is.
And the "how many times" is also enough reason for laughter. This one I linked you to earlier applies again. I'll embed it for your viewing pleasure...
Well, if you're staying away from the fat guy talks NX article here, go and see that same video have a totally different effect on HNF's Twitter page. Dave is also on board right now.
"Good news, that's not a hybrid. That's a Home w/ a "Go" controller. So there could still be a portable that plays the same carts."
So... that's almost sounding like HNF actually COULD be right... ?
"Feels like we're getting closer, but we aren't quite there yet."
I'm already there, man. Don't know where you are, but in my mind, the NX is going to be a HUGE success. And you sort of mini-carpet bombed a couple of quotes, but you forgot the most important ones mentioning it's a dream to work on/develop for and that developers are so enthusiastic that they wished that they had thought of it... That's good enough for me, my friend...
"Convoluted mess for the win. Yeah?"
Indeed. Sounds an awful lot like a whole bunch of people being acolytes of a certain person I know that always tries to force square pegs into round holes...
@rjejr This is also interesting, if possibly damning on some points...
@ThanosReXXX What part was damning? Google Fi stuff? All those comments were dated 9 months ago for what it's worth. I've been saying CES for a few months now, but only jokingly, and I don't think you care abut that stuff anyway.
@rjejr Damning in the hybrid/Android/mobile perspective. Never said I didn't care/wasn't interested in CES. I actually watch that stuff every year, but if you mean to say that they will reveal at CES, then I'd say that it is not very likely. Or you are talking about something else entirely...
@ThanosReXXX NES Mini was on The Today Show this morning. It's one of those morning shows all the stay-at-home moms watch.
Wouldn't surprise me if NX was at CES, but I hope they reveal it before then, for all of our sakes.
@Captain_Gonru Have you seen this new box art yet? I think it's the new ACNL update in a box. All those house on the bottom make me think HHD but I don't read Japanese.
Way off topic, I know the new seasons stated last night, I'll let ya know when we start watching, may be awhile.
@rjejr "but I hope they reveal it before then, for all of our sakes"
Couldn't agree more.
Don't have to include the Captain, since he is already following her...
@ThanosReXXX I think her list is for companies making games for the Go controller that don't have a main game on the home console part.
@rjejr Sighs deeply....
@ThanosReXXX I should win an award for eliciting the shortest ever comment from you.
@rjejr Well, here ya go then:
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