Ubisoft Has "Surprises" Yet to be Announced for Nintendo NX

Please be Beyond Good and Evil 2!!!

It had better be something good and not some shovelware like Imagine Babyz. Last interview with Guillemot talked about winning back the "casuals", now this guy is talking about "families". Not what I want to hear.

So according to Ubisoft the NX will draw in the Casuals and reinvent the way families play. Not sure if im liking the sound of it.

First out of gate will be Just Dance and a Rabbids party game.

Hope it's not that pictinary style game they made for the wiiu and shelved after it was done. That would be super disappointing.

What we want. Beyond Good and Evil 2, Red Steel 3.
What we get. Just Dance and Rabbids.

Just announce the thiiiinggg!

Well if Ubisoft didn't announce anything at E3 that is coming to the nX other than Just Dance, then it can't be anything to be excited about or else it would have been mentioned already.

Just Dance Nintendo Edition.

We don't want casual trash. Beyond Good and Evil 2 would not be acceptable either. Third party titles should never be exclusive, especially on inferior hardware. E3 made it very that third parties are not supporting the NX.

@FragRed not if unveiling about other games would offer hints to what the NX does. In which case Nintendo would have NDA in place on all such games until the hardware is revealed.

Zero hype.

Rayman on NX please

@LeRaposa
"Beyond Good and Evil 2 would not be acceptable either. Third party titles should never be exclusive, especially on inferior hardware."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

And here we go with this week first news about the NX as my anticipation skyrockets!!

So anxious to know if it really is what Eurogamer told it is!!

Reveal it soon, Nintendo, please!!!

Assassin's Creed Home Cookery Edition™

I was thinking about starting a drinking game for every time the guy said "families" b/c I know we all wanted to take a drink every time he said that anyway.

Put me down for Rabbids and Rayman. Those 2 recent Rayman games were both really good, so I wouldn't mind a 3rd.

Edit - too much detox

Sequel to Rayman Legends and Rabbids Go Home 2 please

@WiltonRoots We don't need that AC game, NX already has Zelda: Breast of the Wild: Cooking Cuckoo's With Link.

Watch Kittens™

@A01 I honestly wouldn't be super surprised if Nintendo waited until the last second to officially unveil the NX. I dont think they necessarily will, but it's a possibility. They could be afraid that revealing it too early might affect sales of the WiiU and 3DS for the remainder of the year if the NX ends up being a replacement for both.

Oh boy, i cant wait for "My Pet Paradise NX" !

It would be nice for Red Steel 3 and a remake of the original. I think the original RS had a really good story and and the setting was rather good. Too bad it was buggy as heck.

Far Cry Brain Training: Train your definition of insanity in minutes a day.

Super Princess of Persia

Tom Clancy: New Leaf Cell

@BeardedSquash I have that feeling too. That they might wait until January for the official reveal.

I don't think they are worried about WiiU sales anymore, but they do want to get every last squeeze out of the 3DS sales. Especially with the New Pokemon game coming out end this year, with the inevitable special 3DS editions coming along with it.

Unless all rumors are completely false and we have been misled and the NX is not going to be a portable system (and thus ability to canibalize on the 3DS), then we might get a reveal sooner.

Time will tell.

I am working on a mock up NX controller based on the rumored shape but this time with a twist as i am also planning to add what i think Nintendo will add that makes this console a "NEW" Concept.

What do you guys think

Gota be Red Steel 3 and Beyond Good & Evil 2 but it's prob the 2D Assassin creed collection n Rabbid Rabbits.

I'm loving the sound of reinventing the way families play because my family loves video games and there is not a lot to choose from ( in terms of family friendly) on other systems.

@gamermole looks about right based on the rumors. A little uncomfortable maybe with those sharp edges though. Really interested to see if the free form display will come into play somewhere here.

Probably just casual gimmicky rubbish I expect.

Sounds like Nintendo are going with another gimmick-based system aimed at casuals with NX.

Rabbids, Rabbids and more Rabbids....

Put money it's another Rayman... Can't wait! Or hang on...I can. 😏

@rjejr Breast of the Wild haha.I'm sure the title will be censored for the west though,maybe Fillet of the Wild.

@CB85 @Kirk Since when did the word "gimmick" become so negative? Why are people calling the Wiimote a "gimmick" when it actually is much more than that? It revolutionised how people play games, beyond Nintendo systems even. Its influence can be seen on PC, Playstations and Xboxes.
The Wiimote might have made gaming more accessible for casual gamers, but that doesn't mean it was a tool for casuals itself. At the same time, the Wiimote delivered great gaming experiences for seasoned gaming veterans.

So I really don't get the negativity. The Wii was partly a big success because of the casuals. Them buying that console made that huge amount of great Wii games (for core gamers) possible in the first place.
Would you rather prefer a console that's not made for casuals? Well then you should love the Wii U. It's a fantastic console, its only flaw is that casual gamers don't get its appeal. And that's why there weren't so many games released on Wii U... because of the missing casuals, the userbase was just not big enough.

So either you want a casual-friendly console (which is still viable for core gamers) which is successful and therefore offers more games (for core gamers). Or you want a console that's not casual-friendly and has less (but still awesome) games.

Make your mind up.

And by the way, so far nothing points to a "gimmick" with the NX. If its main characteristic is in fact being a stationary-handheld hybrid, that's not a gimmick.

@gamermole Nice work but it needs more rounded edges amongst other things,you can poke your eyes out with those corners.

Do you people still believe everything what Ubisoft says LOL

@LeRaposa What, exactly, is not acceptable about a sequel to one of the GameCube's finest games?

Something that I would LOVE to see ported to the NX, and a friend of mine agreed with me... Skyrim! That would be awesome, especially since they are doing a remaster on the X1 and PS4!

@shani http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gimmick

@OorWullie

You sir are 100% correct, unfortunately due to me not having any modelling software its not possible for me to soften the edges as believe it of not i made that mock up or nothing but squares and cylinders in daz3d. obviously i, like everybody else wants rounder edges as im sure the actual design will have.

i forgot to mention that the back has some slight support.

Not holding me breath. At all.

maybe Ubisoft could do the next Mario Party and have Rayman and Rabbits be unlockables.

Let's just hope that if they promise any NX exclusives, that they don't wuss out and put the games on other systems first. I haven't played Rayman Legends, but Ubisoft's performance with that game was simply disgraceful.

We'll see whether the next three unannounced Just Dance games will be worth the wait.

@shani the "g" word is used as a negative round here...if spoken verbally I can picture it being spat out.

@Jeronan January? Um, the system is coming out in March. The NX will be revealed no later than November which is STILL to late. If Nintendo or a rumor comes out that the NX's reveal has been delayed until early 2017, than likely January. But if the NX's reveal doesn't happen until early 2017 the NX won't launch March 2017.

@Megumi_Sagano Just Dance Squid Sisters Edition.

@gamermole I like how you've added the scroll wheels,hopefully they come to be.As for the circle pads,hopefully not but I wouldn't be surprised if it did have them.

Wait a sec. Third Party support?

"But not that third party!"

Ah ok.

@Zanark Exactly this.

See, quotes like "Nintendo has the power to reinvent the way families are playing" are concerning on multiple levels.

Note to Ubisoft and Nintendo: FAMILIES DO NOT PLAY VIDEO GAMES TOGETHER. At least not the kinds of games that Nintendo thinks they play together. If anything, it's like a dad and his son playing Call of Duty or some other rated M game that has a co-op mode.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Nintendo is so insistent on this whole "family gaming" angle. It's a market that is just not there for what Nintendo is trying to do. Nintendo was at its peak back when it was essentially what Sony is doing now. Not any of this, trying to chase some decade old "Wii would like to play" lightning in a bottle nonsense.

@Kirk Thanks, that is the ultimate proof that the Wiimote was no gimmick. And a hybrid console isn't a gimmick either. Because both have "real value" as opposed to a gimmick.

@BensonUii: I hope so too! Still my favourite Zelda game of all time. But I doubt they will continue to support the Wiimote, which would be really sad.

@WiltonRoots: Yeah seems that way. ^^

Watch_Dogs DLC confirmed......but it only works if you have a Wii U, NX, Watch_Dogs for Wii U and an adapter that UbiSoft is making that costs $29.99

@PanurgeJr Third party games should be multi-platform. Only first party titles should be exclusive.

@LeRaposa Yeah, let's kill the console market entirely by diluting the few existing differences between consoles.

Hm...but will they be able to match the brilliance that is Just Dance?

I've been boycotting Ubisoft since Watch.Dogs. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Wanna make it up to me, Ubisoft?

Beyond Good & Evil 2
Rayman Legends successor
Assassin's Creed V

@gatorboi352
Your estimation of many families is probably more true than I'd like in general, sadly.

This dad plays Nintendo games and others with his family, and I don't just plop my kids in the middle of Mature rated games or even play a lot of those games because if I'm going to have extended leisure time like that I can't waste it away from my kids or subject them to disgraceful content. Life is too short. It's not really a hard choice to make except my job involves video games so I'm feeling more pressure to be on top of a wider range. Nintendo has made it easier, though.

I'd be pretty sad if Nintendo abandoned families to gain a larger market.

@gamermole Not bad! I'd recommend adding in your name as a watermark instead of off to the bottom like that, however, so that people don't just crop it out and steal credit for it. You never know!

@LeRaposa "Third party titles should never be exclusive, especially on inferior hardware."

Pah! OG Wii had loads of great exclusives!

@allav866 If you like the type of game that Rayman Legends is you are only doing yourself a disservice. I'd have liked it if they threw money away for the sake of Nintendo, too, but that game is one of the Wii U library bright spots. Plus, it's the best version by far and they had a free and fun game to play during the wait.

Families again huh? Well, that leaves out Beyond good and evil!

@Marce2240 What we need are three machines playing exactly the same games which all look the same, with almost identical controllers. Power is the most important thing. Raw unbridalled power, blistering rippling ultra raw horsepower. No good games have been made without power. Or a "standard controller".

@LeRaposa OK, maybe when I start drinking your train of thought will make sense, but right now it just feels like a non sequitur.

@gamermole Ergonomics! But yeah, your are getting started and your tools are limited. As long as it's enough to get your idea out there it should be fine.

Got me thinking I might play around with it because I wanted to brush up on some modeling this Summer. But when...

@WiltonRoots Exactly. Just take a look at the fourth generation of consoles, which is widely regarded as the golden age of videogames. All three main competitors (four if you include SNK) had EXACTLY the same hardware, same games and everything. Back then, your only concern when purchasing a console was the choice between Mario, Sonic and Bonk. I bet that's the reason why those times are so romantized by many.

That doesn't surprise me.

@shani Wii U was in fact a gimmicky console. And made to attract a casual audience. Its name says it all - it was meant to be a Wii 2. The whole tablet controller with motion sensing and NFC capabilities are gimmicky. Only it didn't pan out the way Nintendo intended at all, due to them counting on people buying into the whole Wii thing and ignoring clear messaging about what the system actually was, and more importantly, games.

Then fact that it is a commercial flop doesn't change the fact that it was very -very- much intended as a gimmick-centered, casual system.

@Marce2240 The SNES and the MD had their own unique style back then, a SNES game had a certain feel as did games on the Megadrive. I quite happily jumped between the two even though I was more of a Sega man at heart because even though there was some titles available on both, you still had 2 different experiences.

Everything just feels so generic now.

@Captain_Gonru you can play Just dance and SingStar by linking them to mobile phone apps nowadays.

Hooray! Another Nintendo console that Ubisoft makes huge promises to support and then completely abandons!

@aaronsullivan I'm sure you and many other families play together with kid friendly games. Thing is, there's simply not enough of this for Nintendo to continue to chase and maintain sustained success.

Nintendo of today is simply trying to continue to live off of the coat tails of the Wii/blue ocean strategic success. The problem is, smartphones and iPads killed that market for Nintendo.

The rumored NX sounds like the latest sad attempt from Nintendo in this regard. I just don't see how a dedicated portable, in 2017, that "oh btw can also hook up to your TV if you're into that whole home console gaming kind of thing" is going to bring them back to Wii-like success.

Nintendo almost seems lost any more, alienating both their long standing core fanbase and the new casuals they pulled in a decade ago. Scary times ahead for the big N, indeed.

Thankfully I have an Xbox One as well so gaming has been just fine for me and my tastes recently. I just want the days of "resident Evil 4 exclusivity" back. Oh, or a real sports game. Just one. lol.

I think there's a market for them to re-release any titles that did not make it to the Wii U with a lower price, maybe digitally.

Pile of ports mostly.
At least one big title people are craving, but that'll be shot in the foot by the higher ups deciding they would much rather screw over Nintendo and their fans than make money.

@gatorboi352

I read you comment as my kids are playing Super Mario 3d World. Sometimes I play with them, sometimes I don't. We also play Lego games, Wii Sports Resorts mainly.

Yes, this is one family, I still think that you are way off on families playing together.

@CB85: Totally disagree with that. The Wii U was not casual-friendly, otherwise it would've been more successful. I'm saying this because of a simple fact that I've experienced an awful lot of times with some friends or acquaintances who are to be considered casual gamers:

Wii: When you showed them how to move the Wiimote and put the Wiimote into their hands, they immediately and intuitively knew what to do. For example, my father, who had never played a single video game in his life, beat everyone of us in Wii Sports Bowling consistently.

Wii U: When people see the Wii U gamepad, they don't understand what it is. I so often have heard the question "What is this thing?". Even when I explain it to them, they still don't understand. It's hard to grasp for them that this is a Gamepad with its own screen that's connected to the actual device, which is sitting somewhere in the room.
Remember, I'm talking about casuals who aren't well-versed with technology.

If you have to explain it a lot, it's not casual-friendly. The Wii didn't need any explaining, it just worked intuitively for people who had never played video games.
The Wii U is better suited for people who know a thing or two about technology and are able to appreciate the value of a second screen.

The name "Wii U" doesn't change this. In fact, it's the opposite: Nintendo branded it "Wii U" to make a non-casual-friendly device appeal to casuals. But that's just the thing, having a familiar name is not enough to attract casuals (anymore).

And why would the Wii U Gamepad be gimmicky? None of its features are worthless (to cite the Cambridge dictionary, a gimmick is "something that is not serious or of real value that is used to attract people's attention or interest temporarily, especially to make them buy something").

• The second screen is actually very useful, either for maps, item screens and immersive game modes or for off-tv-play.
• The motion sensor is equally useful and very important, as games like Splatoon would be impossible without it. I can't even begin to understand why you regard motion controls as something casual or gimmicky, it's the exact opposite. It's a big step forward in the evolution of game controllers. If anything, a classic controller like the Xbox 360 is more casual-friendly in my opinion, because of the already established controller layout.
• NFC... well I thought so too at the beginning. And then came Amiibo. I don't think the majority of Amiibo owners are casual gamers, at least not those crazy collectors. But cares about NFC, I don't really need it. Bluetooth is suffice and more safe, is you ask me.

Anyway, no technology is casual or gimmicky by itself, it always comes down to how its utilized.

The Gamepad might've been originally aimed at casual users who were thinking about getting a tablet, that much is correct. But it ended up becoming the opposite. Despite Nintendo's intentions, no one recognized the Gamepad as a "tablet controller", probably because nowadays tablets are thinner and have a much bigger screen, while their OS is a lot more simplified, accessible and faster than the Wii U menu. In the end, the Gamepad ended up being perceived as much more complicated than a Android or IOS Tablet and that's why it failed to attract casual gamers.
Another reason, of course, was the simple fact that casual gamers don't need to get every new console and probably still are content with playing on their outdated Wii.

Anyone want to see what i think this different concept is?

I predict a port of the Wii U version of Watch Dogs. Now running at double the frame rate (28 fps).

Watch Dogs 2 maybe?

@gamermole Why not! But maybe post them in the Forums section?

To me, all this talk of family gaming ties in to the recent messaging we've had from Nintendo.
Talk of recapturing the 'lost generation' of young gamers, of being in a different market to Sony and Microsoft and that horrible youtube show they're pushing with guy who seems to be a sugar rush incarnate.
If the leaked specs for the NX are anything like true, I expect it to be a complete departure from 'core gaming' focused almost entirely on serving up minigame collections, app store style edutainment, and shorter, much less complex products featuring Nintendo's stock IPs.
While this is very sad for a longtime Nintendo gamer like me who doesnt have any kids, I truly hope this enormous market of gaming families exists and that Nintendo can tap into it and get some great sales figures

@Moshugan good idea

You mean Just Dance 2018?

Look at that, Ubisoft is committed to the NX!

if they do it will probably be a mix of ports and "new" titles

@gamermole that looks appalling and I would not buy that. It looks boring as hell.its all straight edges, like 80's style and not in a good way

@DESS-M-8

If you read above theres a reason for the straight edges

@BeardedSquash
Good point and you're probably right ☹️

BRING ON THE PORTS!

@OorWullie Zelda: Wings of the Wild. It has alliteration, and who doesn't like wings?

@gamermole there is not reason. It's ugly. End of. Nobody would buy that.

@DESS-M-8

The reason is limitations in the software used to create it......... and it looks like a 3ds i guess nobody bought that either?

@gamermole there was literally no point in drawing that up. It's just a dumbed version of an already bad idea using inferior software. There's nothing new in that that others haven't already "mocked up"

Okay....
If... Ubisoft can bring USA version of Japanese games like they did before during NDS and Wii era ( example Gold's Gym Cardio Workout, The Dog Island, etc) , i will consider it.
But...if Ubisoft bring a bunch of their games itself or from another Western developer, NO thanks.

Ubisoft reaction about NX for me somewhat like a peppy girl that fascinated with a bunch of cute stuffs and says 'OMG, OMG, So many cutie stuffs from Nintendo !'
XD

@DESS-M-8

actually there is something new in my idea.

@WiltonRoots Agree 100%. Having consoles with vastly different specs and even control layouts only increased diversity. It's a shame that mindset is no longer viable in today's market, as proven by the Wii U of all things.

@shani I def don' think they were gimmicks in and of themselves. A lot of gimmicky happened around them though, and largely because of them. And I don't think the NX will be a gimmick either. I do, however, think companies like Ubisoft are probably going to release a lot of gimmicky crap for it, and it's the breading of gimmicky junk that is often the bigger problem. Particularly novel consoles and controls schemes are breeding grounds for gimmicky rubbish. So, that's my worry here.

So Nintendo is trying to bring causls im sorry but we have a problem causels are stuck on thier phones and look at thier release lineup for thier fans i regret getting my wii u

@gatorboi352 "The problem is, smartphones and iPads killed that market for Nintendo."

I don't think so. You can't really play 4 player Mario Kart, SSB or Just Dance well w/ a family on a TV. Do you know what killed the Wii U? The Wii.

Just ask @zionish his family is still playing Wii Sports Resort. I took my kids to the library today and they were advertising a Wii Bowling Tournament. Not Wii U Sports Club, just Wii bowling. Sports Club was hung out to dry, they never had enough free weekends to promote it and never added any other sports except the 5 already in Wii Sports. So why get a Wii U?

Nintneod Land was just bad, who was going to pay $349 for Ntinedo Land and it's asynchronous and asymmetrical gameplay? Or to re-play NSMBWii in HD? Oh, NSMBU was a new game, could have fooled me. Not new enough for a $349 investment.

Wii was $249 w/ Wii Sports. That was all most people needed. Wii U should have been Wii 2 or Wii HD for $249. Not Wii U for $299 w/o a game or $349 w/ a game that nobody understood.

And in the US, while Ntinedo was doing a real bad job trying to market a $349 Wii U nobody wanted or needed, they also started selling the Wii Mini w/ MKWii for $99. $9 Wii Mini played all the Wii games offline, but so what, how many of those games were online? When Ninteod had Spaltoon, Super Mario Maker and Starfox Zero ready, then release the Gamepad for $79, include Ntinedo Land w/ the Gamepad. Wii Balance board sold 35 million at $80 just for people to play Wii Fit. $80 Gamepad would have sold a few million for SMM, SF and Splatoon. And the Wii 2 would have been $199 by then w/ a much larger install base.

Now, can they move people off the Wii to the NX? Well that I don't know. It needs to be cheap, easy to understand, and have games people want to play and willing to pay for. I think some of it depends on how many people buy a PS4 or Xbox 1S this holiday, or do some buy a $60 NES Mini and wait for NX.

But there are always families looking to play games together, tablets are family oriented, Wii is. Will NX be? I don't know, but I do think they have a chance to get families to upgrade from 3DS and Wii to NX, if it's doen right. I have no idea what "Right" is, but there are gaming families out there.

For the most part Ubisoft has been loyal to Nintendo over the years and I really like their games so they still hold a special place in my gaming heart. Yes I know there will be the casual stuff too but here is what I would like to see:

For Honor
Steep
Ghost Recon Wildlands
Assassins Creed V

@Kirk Ok, I can understand that. Surely some companies/developers might get the wrong idea and produce crappy games that use - the Wiimote for instance - in a gimmicky way. I agree with that.
But honestly, I don't care. I don't have to play those crappy games, I don't even have to give them my attention. I'll just concentrate on the good games that utilize the new features in a meaningful way and take the crappy games (and casual players) as "the price to pay".
The Wii had many of those crappy games but let's not forget, it had at least (probably more) 150 really good games.
Meanwhile, the smartphone and tablet sector seems to almost exclusively consist of these crappy games you mentioned. ^^

@DESS-M-8 seeing as you need something new

@gamermole I'd seen your design in some previous posts and it looked pretty cool, but fitting mostly to the Eurogamer rumour, but this bit with the VR is a really interesting and creative concept! If a console could be handheld, home console through a base station, AND a VR device all in one that would be incredible!

Rainbow Six Siege?

@gamermole that is appalling.
It looks nothing like a DS either. It looks like the bottom half of a DS lite altered to look like that other bad concept idea from last week.

The "VR" concept gets even worse. If see Nintendo steering more toward AR than VR, which could explain the interest in the free-form screen technology by Sharp.

A tablet console is just a bad idea from start to finish, especially when trying to hump it into some mongoloid VR concept aswell.

Just.

No.

@gamermole this is a really great concept. Actually, I think someone is going to make it so you should patent it

Normally I like surprises, but for you, Ubisoft...I'll make an exception. I'll hold onto my butt in anticipation (just not for the usual reasons. I suppose a more accurate term would be "guarding" in this case)

@gamermole If the software doesn't suffice, then simply draw us your idea by hand, and add some explanatory text where needed to elaborate on how you think the various parts will function and interact. Most of it is clear from the pictures, but it certainly wouldn't hurt...

And although I will not insult and bash your concept, I'm afraid I have to confess that for me too, it certainly isn't the nicest of concepts, even taking into account the shortcomings of the software you made it with.

And even though I am a long way from liking what the NX is now supposedly going to be, if I would have to choose one concept (because I like the EuroGamer mock-up even less than yours) then I would go for this idea and look, which I personally like a whole lot better, no offense:

Please don't port games with massive framerate dips and glitches...please don't port games with massive framerate dips and glitches.....

Oh, get real. Nintendo's next console isn't getting any meaningful third party support. I'd imagine it's some gimmicky game that uses the gyroscope or something.

Let's just hope this isn't a repeat of EA's promise, because I'm counting on this! I hope there's an up-to-par version of Watch Dogs 2, or maybe even Ghost Recon Wildlands.

@ThanosReXXX His first design is the type of design that is my ideal idea of what the NX could turn out to be, a shared game format that is available on handheld and being in full HD on the TV through the home console.

It's so funny seeing people complaining about possible ports. Isn't that what you all wanted for the Wii U, games from PS and Xbox?

I'd love me some ports.

@mikegamer If this is truly going to be a handheld hybrid with an Nvidia Tegra X1 chip in it, and they remove the Android layer to be able to program straight to the metal, then frame rate issues will be all but non-existent. On the current model X1 there are already a lot of games that run better than their console counterparts, whether those are last or current generation titles.

As shown in the Digital Foundry test run of the hardware, the X1 runs the latest Doom game (BFG version) in the best resolution and frame rate (1080p/60fps) possible, with only minor dips of one or two frames here and there, whereas the consoles struggle to maintain a solid 30fps or when they run a 60fps version, it regularly dips below 40fps, and if Nintendo has struck a deal with Nvidia to incorporate the new X2 into the NX, then it will be almost 3 times as powerful, making it a handheld that surpasses the Xbox One and is close or equal to the PS4.

How powerful the X2 will be exactly, will be disclosed at the Hot Chips convention on the 20th of August, so only a few more weeks until we can estimate what that would do in the NX, if that is indeed the chipset that they will use.

But for a handheld, the X1 is still quite competent and for Nintendo the result in both cases will be that they will have the most powerful handheld ever made, which obviously can't be a bad thing. Now if only we knew what else they have planned and if their marketing campaign will hit it out of the park this time, because that certainly has to vastly improve from their efforts concerning the Wii U...

Nintendo emphasizes on being unique. So it would do their brand good if exclusives remain a priority. Not just exclusive ways to play, but in general.

I'm getting really sick and fed up with these's so called 3RD party's.This for you ubisoft to.I bloody don't trust any of you.We get same god dam words, we got games.Then we will get oh we have this game for NX and it will turn out probably to be a inferior port or delayed,or some other blasted excuse.And have you lot ever noticed,when ever a new console device comes out from Nintendo the same developer's always tell use theyve got Games.Then it mostly turns out the Nintendo Fans got screwed.

@LeRaposa Do you own a 3ds?

@Sasafras I sincerely hope that you're wrong, but I have a feeling that you hit the nail right on the head. I'm an old school gamer and long time Nintendo fan, but I, like many other 'hardcore' gamers, aren't really the target demographic for Nintendo and haven't been for a while. They've been stuck on trying to capture, or recapture as it were, the casual and younger crowd with their 'blue ocean' strategy since the Wii. This means a lower spec'd out console for lower barrier of entry and more 'casual' types of experiences across the board.

Something needs to be said. Nintendo was a Toy company first and foremost. Where do people get the idea they made video games for hardcore gamers?

More Just Dance, and a new Rabbids game.

@BeardedSquash
Problem is, I don't understand the "lower bar of entry" aspect. The consoles are low spec'd but they're still VERY expensive (and overpriced) for what they are since Nintendo kept shoving in VERY expensive gimmicks that not everyone who wants to play Nintendo games even wants to use.
Instead of decent specs and convenient, modern multimedia functionality, Nintendo wants people to pay a premium for features that may or may not add much to the experience, if at all (depends on each person's own experience at least).

@gamermole Cool, yeah we were talking about that VR idea a couple somewhere in all these NX stories a couple days ago. The VR thing is a natural extension of the portable idea and is a good reason for the controllers to detach. Lines up nicely with earlier rumors that the delay was for VR. You need performance for VR, too, so gives me a bit of hope for X2.

It's a good start, but I think @ThanosReXXX has the right idea to make it look sketched. Maybe hand drawn isn't your thing so 3D is okay, but it's almost a problem that you are rendering it nicely lit. It would be better to render it in sketch form or something crude to give the idea that it is a thumbnail not a guess at the actual specific detailed shapes.

@ThanosReXXX That guys first NX drawing of the home console looks like the shuttle from Star Trek.

His 2nd drawing won't work, you need to be able to leave the controllers attached while it's on the stand in case you just want to charge it, and his base wraps around the edge of the tablet. Bigger sin, based on his first drawing, the cartridge slot is on the bottom of the tablet, so you can't plug a game in while it's on the stand.

August 20th is that Hot Chips conference, I'll be away for a few days before and after that, so it's bound to go down then.

Just a general reaction. I was looking at old Electronic Games magazines (the woman who created it recently passed away) and the standalone video game market was so vibrant and full of different electronic games mixed with physical parts. An old D&D game with physical walls and miniatures that the game read where they were.

Something like this multi-functional, multi-purpose device could be a lot of fun.

Anyway, the Ubisoft comments aren't helping in a void of any real information, they are just causing those afraid of the casual market to imagine the worst. I keep taking heart in Miyamoto's disenchantment with that market and how they seem to be reaching out to that group through mobile games to draw in those who will look for more serious gaming on the real hardware: NX.

@zionich good for you. Explain Wii U's sales numbers then.

You're right, "yes this is just one family". You're wrong that I'm way off on family gaming, or else Nintendo would be the Apple of video games in terms of success.

@rjejr until you stop purposely spelling the word Nintendo wrong I will not seriously reply to you.

@MGray oh i dunno. The fact that they've had an exclusive Doom game, Quake 2, Resident Evil 4 exclusively until sales stunk too bad, two more exclusive Resident Evils, Turok series, Perfect Dark i mean for the love of god man pull your head out of the sand.

@aaronsullivan No, no VR please.

https://youtu.be/pvm-my1VuUg?t=423

7:00

If they want to keep going with AR I'm all for that, why isn't Pokémon Radar being dusted off with Go on a roll?, but no solitary confinement, the world is becoming solitary enough. Which reminds me, I really should play Denpa Men.

@gatorboi352 I await your non-serious reply with great anticipation.

@LeRaposa pass what your smoking plz.

I Don't like the sound of "families" in the interview. but hopefully things could get better for NX

I would like to think Watch Dogs 2 might be a launch game for the system, but that is probably wishful thinking from my part

Probably mobile games. If they have any. If they don't sell, not a HUGE loss😏 But hopefully, at LEAST ONE killer app!

there's a huge push for online multiplayer from nintendo lately, even their portable and mobile device games have a multiplayer aspect; more social with p-go. so i guess ubisoft will go that way as well. looking at journey for the ps platforms and ubi's own 2.5d art engine, i'd imagine something like that.

@rjejr
Told you man, Beyond Good & Evil 2...

Beyond Good & Evil 2 would be a dream.

Even though I don't like sequels in general, it would be amazing to have Red Steel 3 and Zombi 2 and one more Rayman game properly done as an exclusive by Michel Ancel.

@shani You're right, but you're not reading my comments right. Wii U wasn't a casual-friendly system, but it was INTENDED as such, very much (like I said).

Nintendo wanted it to be a Wii 2 that attracted the masses, only they failed to make it easy to understand and appealing.

right we need to agree not to be so picky with NX third part titles. Obviously if its casual shovel wear ignore to your heart content.

However if they start releasing ports/new titles we cant be so picky on the first few waves of titles. No not buying games because it might not get the DLC or a mode is missing, Yes that sucks so very much but simply not buying those titles (or buying 2nd hand) really bit us in the arse. We thought we could hold their Wii U sales as hostages for better games... instead Ubi just left.

I liked ZombiU, I just wish that Ubisoft had cared enough about that game. It didn't feel complete enough, probably why it didn't get a lot of fans in the first place. The difficulty? It was fine, same with the controls. It just needed a better melee attack system and better quests.

Simple. I dont mind what nintendo makes. As long as it will have buttons and finally be able to play 3rd party games im in. If not, the 3ds will be my last handheld and i will buy a Wiiu when its price drops to 200 euros. Its not only about 3rd party games, its more about Nintendo starting to pull there head out of there japanese ass and start to listen what fans want in the West. And western fans dont really ask much. We like the IPs but we just want more games and at the same with these 3rd party games added with nintendos already amazing 1st party games, u will have the ultimate console. Microsoft and Sony will be in big trouble when that happens but nintendo doesnt seem to get this.

@aaronsullivan I keep thinking about it during Ubi's sales, but I also have a backlog, primarily from the Humble Nindie Bundle, but also Star Fox Zero and a poop-ton of PC games. Still, maybe I'll add Rayman Legends to that backlog next time Ubisoft drops the price on it.

@shani Well, if you imagine there's 150 great games on Wii, there's far more than that on the likes of iOS, even with all the shovelware. And, one of the issues I have is when even Nintendo starts falling into the trap of putting out games that go more for the gimmick than something that genuinely makes the experience better that it would be just using buttons or whatever, like having to waggle in Twilight Princes to attack, or having to shake the controller to propeller jump in New Super Mario Bros, or most of the use of the GamePad in Star Fox Zero, etc. So, my main hope is that we generally get quality over the gimmicks, and with Ubisoft announcing it's support for NX I fear we'll get a lot of gimmicks from it with some average games tacked onto them (I don't mean from NX, I mean from Ubisoft).

The surprise is clearly Just Sing

They call NX a family console. Expect only Just Dance games over and over again.
They won't make any proper games for NX.

Announce Witcher 3, and Im NX day one buyer.

A zombi U sequel would be sweet or farcry.

A Game of Micro transactions where you have to pay to win. Uni soft are on top with Ea for that.
Zombi 2 would be good though i loved zombi u it was a true survival game.

The descriptive terms "casual" and " family" says it all about the games (and maybe hinted at the console).

It doesn't take much intelligence to see what this really indicates. Maybe it does.

Just Dance it is.

And then some crappy party game that they will eventually cancel.

After that they will say they cherish a valued partnership with Nintendo and believe that no one should underestimate them in the next console cycle.

Keep it going Ubisoft, i am glad that u guys are on board the NX. Awesome company. I hope we will see lots of great games from Ubisoft, not the small mini games (that they can add in the Eshop) i would love to see a new splinter cell

@JaxonH I'll believe BG&E2 if NX has a dedicated home console component or they confirm Tegra X2, but I doubt they are making it an exclusive on the Tegra X1 b/c Ancel said it needs more power.

And it must be true that it needs more power, Eurogamer said so.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-13-beyond-good-and-evil-2-needs-power

And besides, I'm still holding out hope for the FF7 Remake, and I will until we get the Cloud amiibo announcement, so I can only hang on to 1 pipe dream at a time. Tegra X1 won't get FF7 either though, it would need to be X2.

I know you are excited about near Wii U power on a handheld w/ the X1 chip, but it needs to be closer to PS4 power w/ the X2 chip if its going to get some top tier games. Aug 20th, hot chips, that's what I'm waiting on now.

What would you want on the NX? I would love me some No More Heroes 3 or something hip man like an SSX Tricky sports game. Ultimately we need some AAA titles that calls people attention as well as a competent tech spec to play the games and it not feel like a downgrade from the other consoles currently available.

@rjejr Zelda: Breast of the wild?! LOL

@rjejr
I'd love to see X2 chip as much as you, it's just that ya know, I already have a PS4 and X1 so I don't need 3rd party games, and for two Im of the belief power alone won't bring games. Gotta have a demand to warrant supply. And it's pretty clear demand for AAA 3rd party games on Nintendo is near non-existent (despite the vocal outcries, I judge by sales, and when every single AAA game on Wii U flops, that tells me what it is).

So the only benefit for me, is that my Nintendo games would look a little better. Again, I'm all for that, but I'll be perfectly content either way. Zelda BotW on a portable will look as good if not better than PS4 on a TV.

More meaningless blabla from Ubisoft showing no commitment to the NX whatsoever, in case it is another failure like the Wii U. Does anyone care?

@JaxonH " Zelda BotW on a portable will look as good if not better than PS4 on a TV."

Well I kind of feel like everything looks better on a portable screen just due to size alone. I remember thinking how excited I was seeing Kid Icarus: Uprising for the first time and thinking it was the best looking Wii game to date, only it wasn't a Wii game, it was a 3DS game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfbW5Pdo728

And Vita was well received for it's screen, which everybody raved about, but it's only 540p, it's not even HD.

So Zelda Wild might look better on the NX handheld during portable play than on the TV, but I still think they'll only make the screen 480p, b/c that's double the 3DS, so it will seem great, even if the TV is doing 720p due to some extra oomph in the base. Even if the handheld screen is 720p, 720p on a 6" screen is going to look better than 720p on a 60" tv. That's Apple's PPI measure, pixels per inch, I think.

As for most 3rd party support, no, it isn't coming back. But you were talking about BG&E2, and I don't see that happening on Tegra X1. Now I do think X1 is likely in NX, b/c it's cost effective, but cost effective won't get you BG&E2. Or FF7R.

But on the other hand, no NX news yet (leaks, rumours etc I still don't count as news) and what seemed like a delay from holiday to 2016 to March 2017, even if that's just a hunch, which honestly is worse than a leak or rumour, but it's my hunch and I'm sticking w/ it, so w/ X2 being unveiled in 3 weeks at Hot Chip, well the timing is certainly there for NX to get X2. Unless, like Nitneod said - hey, they have to speak the truth occasionally just to keep us off balance - it was delayed to have a good software line-up, and it is using X1. Which would probably be strong enough to run Zelda Wild at 480p on a handheld, and 2 in SLI formation in the base on the TV. Nvidia has dual X1 chips in it's car "board".

http://www.nvidia.com/object/drive-px.html

If they could get 1 in the handheld to pair w/ 1 in the base, that's more power than the PS4, 2.3 Teraflops > 1.84.

Of course if there is an X1 in the base, it won't be cheap. But I'd rather pay $100 for a base w/ an X1 in it than outputs 1080p to my TV than a $50 base that outputs 480p to my TV.

But we shall see. Someday. Eventually.

@S4nt14g0 Juuuuuusssst in case anybody reads your comment about 140 comments after mine and wants to report me, it's a chicken/cuckooo joke, not a pron joke, based on that pic of Link cooking. See, like this.

@rjejr No, you don't need the controllers to remain attached, the EuroGamer mock-up also didn't mention that and neither did their report on it.

The whole point of putting the handheld in the dock is to be able to use the detachable controllers for when you are playing on the TV. There will probably be some option to either recharge them or put batteries in them separately from the screen part.

As for the bigger sin: you need to rewatch that video again, or even look at the still image of it, because that clearly shows that the dock/homebase has its own dedicated cartridge slot, so it doesn't matter that the slot in the tablet is inaccessible when it is inserted into the dock.

And I thought I had already tackled the "looking too bulky" by addressing that very point myself, which is something that happens a lot when drawing freehand and wanting to make something rounded or ergonomic, unless your skills are way above average. And he himself also admitted that it was a drawing done quick.

If we are going to criticize the drawings, then the sticks and buttons also look like crap, but that's not the point. His concept is a lot closer to the kind of aesthetics that a console and handheld should have, instead of the tablet and kickstand concept with butt-ugly controllers that EuroGamer made. That was a WAY too clinical look.

But it does look like the Star Trek Shuttle, though...
(which to me isn't necessarily a bad thing, by the way)

And to end on-topic:
If Ubisoft mentions several games besides Just Dance, then chances are that there is at least one Rabbids/Rayman related game in there, but since they are hinting at several titles, I'm also expecting there to be some triple A titles.

For Honor was already rumored because that initially had cartridges mentioned in its release papers, and so did the next Assassin's Creed. Besides what people may think of these games, it's good that those kinds of titles are coming, the more, the merrier as they will fill out the game catalogue really nicely combined with Nintendo's first party titles.

P.S.

Concerning your comment to @JaxonH about the resolution of the screen:
480p for the handheld would not be wise, especially not if we factor in the whole putting it in the dock and displaying on TV. The PS Vita's resolution of 540p makes it WAY more easy to upscale, since the image only has to be doubled to make it 1080p, whereas a 480p image also needs to be stretched and deformed to make it fit.

And besides: The Wii U GamePad was already 480p, so there is no way that the new device is not going to have a better quality screen. And the X1 is strong enough to run Breath of the Wild at 1080p/60fps if it can run more taxing games at those same specs. Which it can. And the X2 will more than likely be 2-3 times stronger than that, so if we get that in the NX, then graphics fidelity and frame rate will be the very least of our problems...

@rjejr
Nah, BG&E2 doesn't need anything. If it's an exclusive game (and Ubisoft always launches an exclusive for new Nintendp consoles) then it'll be built around the hardware, whatever it may be.

@ThanosReXXX If you HAVE to take off the controllers every time you want to charge your handheld, well that's just freakin' stupid. And making a TV dock and a charging cradle is stupid too. They did it for the Wii U Deluxe, but I've never understood why. One dock that acts as a charger, handheld need sot be placed in it however we want, controllers on, controllers off, 1 of each. It doesn't make any sense at all to force people to take the controlers off to put the handheld down in it's cradle.

The cartridge slot was on the bottom of the stand alone shuttle, he took it out of the "base" model. go watch the vid again it's at the 3:13 mark, no slot. But, I'll play along and pretend it is there for arguments sake. If both the handheld and the base play the same cartridge, and the handheld has to be attached to the base to get the game to work on the TV, why on earth would you have people take the cartridge out of the handheld and put it in the base every time you wanted to play on tv and reverse that every time you wanted to go out? Even Nintneod can't be that stupid. Now, if it's a standalone base that can play the game by itself that makes sense, but not if the base NEEDS the handheld, then they can't ask us to keep moving the cartridge back and forth between two slots.

Also, that slot on the base needs to be closer to the top so people can easily get the cartridge in and out.

You know, this whole discussion does bring up 1 good point, a handheld in a base is a lot easier to do than cartridges in and out of a base. Playing w/ my old Atari 7800 those cartridges are a bear. The 3DS games are easier, but you are also holding the 3DS in 1 hand, game in the other. You can't do that if the 3DS is on a surface. So my dislike of cards (I'm just calling them cards from now on, typing cartridges all the time sucks) is actually better if there is no separate home NX system, just a base that the handheld needs to be in, and the game needs to be in the handheld. I'd still like a X1 chip in the base, but if the X2 is in the handheld, then that's enough power. Probably. Maybe some extra RAM though, seemed to work wonders on the N64 for resolution and multiplayer. Handheld doesn't need it for 540p or 720p. I'm not arguing over 480p or 540p, that's the same amount of p for me. $50 7" Amazon Fire is 1024 x 600, I'll count that as close enough as well. 720p is HD though, so that would be nice. 720p on a 6" tablet would be very nice, and 720p on a tv would be good enough.

Ok, thats enough. Oh, I'm ok w/ the shuttle design too, but why so big if no disc drive? And if it's all in the handheld except TV out and power and maybe 8GB of RAM, it can be the size of the current charger, no shuttle required. Either way it's too big.

@JaxonH Sorry, but I can't see it, not on the Tegra X1. And I think Ubi will be once bitten twice shy after Zombie U. W/ PS4 selling so well, why risk BG&E2 on a console that may sell 13mil? Or put it on a console that's mainly a handheld w/ TV out?

I can't see it. Rayman, Rabbids, yes, BG&E2 or Watch_Dogs or anything like that, no. What does Ubi put out on 3DS, anything? I'm still working on this being a 3DS replacement more than a Wii U replacement. Fortuantley most good Nintneod home games are already on handhelds - MK, SSB, Zelda, NSMB, Kirby, Yoshi. And some of the better 3rd party stuff like MH and FF and DQ.

I expect X1, no BG&E2, but X2 and BG&E2 wouldn't completly catch me off guard.

@Tlink7
I still care about NX. I don't think NX will be Failed. I believe NX will be better than Wii U.
But for Ubisoft, depend on the title that they bring.
As long they localized some Japanese title for USA version, i will take a look first. Otherwise, i will never care about their original Western games.
Just Dance is not a big deal for me. Completely boring rhythm games. I still stick on DDR from Konami no matter what is the situation. Love DDR forever...

@rjejr I would see the dock more as an adapter for TV play than as a charging cradle, which I think is where the difference in views comes from. You would need the controllers to play on the TV, so to me it seems pretty logical that you would take them off if you put the "tablet" in the dock.

And yes, you were right, he actually showed two models, but his main model was the one with both a game card slot in the handheld and the console. And as long as it's spring-loaded like in the 3DS, then there will be no trouble inserting or ejecting cards into or from the system.

Somehow, subconsciously, a lot of people still seem to be factoring in the disadvantages that only belong to the old game cartridges, but none of these are applicable anymore if they use an evolved form of the 3DS game cards.

As for why you would have to put the game card in the dock: to me it seems obvious that if the dock is the part that upscales and/or delivers extra memory, then the game must be run from there, and not from the handheld part. It's when you go out and want to play with the handheld that you put it in that device.

I've already tackled the shape/size thing twice now: things just tend to look bulkier when hand-drawn in freehand, but just imagine that form factor, only sleeker looking and you're there.

When professionally drawn and cleaned up, this concept is FAR superior to the EuroGamer crap and actually has the look and feel of a genuine game console instead of a couple of clinical looking smart devices, which definitely don't look like anything Nintendo would ever come up with.

And X2 or at the very least a hybrid/custom chipset (won't be a standard X1 or X2 anyway) coming close to that is actually very likely: by the time the NX is released, X1 will be more than 2,5 years old and that's even below Nintendo's standards of using older tech...

@Ventilator
Just wonder, what is a big deal with Just Dance ?
I don't get it. I don't see something awesome from Just Dance. I think Dance Evolution from Konami looks better than Just Dance. Evenmore, DDR or Beatmania IIDX or Drummania or Para Para Paradise or MaiMai SEGA offers the real essence of Rhythm games (Tapping or hitting the button based on the rhythm). Beside, Just Dance offers WESTERN licensed songs that mostly for me 99.99% BLAH. Even some songs i noticed are quite nice to hear but the gameplay itself ruined my interest into ashes. I want unique, unusual, challenging, awesome songs like BEMANI artists did, not too mainstream boring songs. Almost Eurobeat songs from Para Para Paradise quite enough fascinated me to dance all day long, that music will never bored to listen. Sorry, just sharing my opinion about Rhythm games.

@rjejr
First of all, what makes you think a game can't exist on an X1 chip? A game can exist on a smartphone if they wanted it to. The chip isn't stopping them from developing the game. ESPECIALLY if it's exclusive, as I think it will be.

Ubisoft is always there at a system launch. It's not about the Wii U's 13 million sales. It's about the power a brand receives from being the first to release a game. It gathers goodwill, it gets Ubisoft's name out there during the launch media frenzy, and especially with Nintendo systems it showcases their creative talent to utilize the special features of the hardware.

Don't believe me? Go read that last interview with the Ubi CEO. He basically said "we'll always be there to support at launch. Our company values prioritize being the first to venture out onto new hardware".

So you see, they don't care if it flops, they just want the attention it brings having a AAA game on a new system at launch.

So you can bet they'll have an exclusive for NX at launch, and it won't be Raving Rabbids.

@ThanosReXXX I think Nintnod will confuse people - the same people who thought the Wii U was a Gamepad adapter accessory for the Wii - if they put a slot in the TV dock but the dock doesn't play games w/o the handheld attached. People will naturally assume the TV dock can play games w/o the handheld if they see a slot and somebody putting a game card into it.

If there are 2 separate stands, 1 simply for charging and 1 for TV out, you will need to be able to leave the controllers on the charger, b/c why take them off? And if you need them to play while the handheld is on the TV out stand, then yes, I suppose you could make taking them off mandatory then, but why? Why can't I just put it down on a cradle w/o taking them off? I'm lazy, I don't like having to do things. I'm very much hoping for a "Pro" controller to play on the TV. Maybe w/ a small tocuhscreen for dual screen play, so just let me leave those other controllers on.

If this stuff is true, do you think the handheld will be sold w/ the TV dock? I hope not, b/c we will want 3 handhelds in my house, but only 1 dock, so I don't want to have to pay for 2 docks I don't need, especially if you are right and each will come w/ a charging cradle as well. Even if the TV dock is simply a charger and an HDMI port, that's still adding maybe $25 to each purchase, if not more.

I know I always say don't offer choice, choice helped do in Wii U, one didn't have enough, the other was too expensive, but I think NX needs it. $200 handheld and a charger, $249 handheld and TV out dock. Make the TV out dock $79 for people who want 2 docks, or maybe buy 1 later when a game comes out they want to play on TV. Or maybe $229, $49 for the dock, just give a discount for the TV out bundle, we won't know how much for the TV out dock until we know what it does. But I know I don't want 3 of them. I'll take 3 charging cradles, things need to charge. If there is only 1 charging cradle and TV out dock do-dad, well give me a choice of that and just a plug in the wall, no cradle, my kids will manage.

Has to be a joint venture with Squeenix, Just Dance Cause. I think of it like a combination of Zumba and GTA 5.

@JaxonH But if NX is launching w/ Zelda Wild in March, and probably Pikmin 4, which was nearly complete last September, and maybe Lugi's Mansion 3 according to some rumurs, and a port of SSB for U, who's going to buy a Ubi game? That's why NX was delayed until March, wasn't it, to have games ready? Does Ubi really want to compete w/ that?

Maybe you are right about a new Ubi game, launch titles do get bought b/c there's nothing else around, just look at Knack, but I'm holding firm on it not being BG&E2. The chip does matter, Ancel said so himself in that link, and it's his game.

You make some good points, but I'm just not feeling it.

"So you see, they don't care if it flops, they just want the attention it brings having a AAA game on a new system at launch."

If you think a game might flop, wouldn't any smart company be more inclined to test the waters and bring a game that might sell, an A game, or AA game, not a AAA game that most people would equate w/ spending a lot of money to make? Rayman 3, really exclusive and not delayed this time, would fit that bill nicely.

Whatever it is, I'll let you judge if it's A, AA, or AAA, I trust your judgement. But if they turn BG&E2 into a cell shaded 2D platformer I am NOT going to be happy. Though it might work, I just want more Jade. But that would be BG&E: The spin-off, not 2.

Oh no. Surprises. Plural. As in more than one.

Please, Ubisoft. My doctor said my heart can't take too many surprises so keep them to a minimum this year.

@rjejr
BG&E2 is just a AA game though. Maybe the next will have higher prod values but, either way of course they wanna compete with that. All we know for sure, confirmed for launch is Zelda. And a likely Pikmin 4, but they could spread that out for launch window. As with the ports. They're not gonna dump everything day one and have nothing for 9 months. That's what caused the Wii U post-launch drought.

All I know is BG&E2 is in development, and has been for some time. And games are ALWAYS announced for PS4/X1 by now if that's the system they're for.

The only time platform is concealed is when it's for Nintendo. See Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third. There's a reason BG&E2 isn't being talked about yet. I would be surprised, no, amazed, if it doesn't turn out to be on NX. May be dude's game but it's the publisher that decides what system it's on. And he has to build the game for the system agreed upon, whether he likes it or not.

I'm sure it will be Just Dance and ports of older games. If you think one of those "surprises" could be BG&E2...no. It isn't.

The first one was released in 2003 and they have officially said "it's being worked on" in 2008, 2010-2016. And I don't really believe they are actually, truly working on it. Why? Back in 2011 Ubisoft told fans if they want BG&E2 to "buy Rayman: Origins". In 2013, the creator of Child of Light said how hard it was to get Ubisoft behind it because of BG&E: "Beyond Good & Evil was not a success, and we made that mistake once".

So just forget it. That game is never coming out. Never. Yes, I'm bitter about it too, but by now we should all just accept it.

EDIT: Oh and the creator of it, Michel Ancel, doesn't even really work for Ubisoft anymore. He created his own studio in 2014 and they are working on their own game called WILD. Ubisoft is not involved in any way with the project, it was picked up by Sony. Ubisoft says he will still be involved with certain projects, but I don't think it will go any further than Rayman.

@JaxonH They've been working on BG&E2 for about 9 years, based on him saying in 2008 that they had been working on it for a year, which would have been 2007. I just can't imagine that after all of this time it's going to release on a handheld w/ tv out. Which is what a X1 system would be. X2 and maybe it's a portable home console powerful enough to do the game justice.

http://kotaku.com/a-list-of-times-ubisoft-has-said-beyond-good-evil-2-i-1782293176

@Kirk That might be true, I don't know that much about IOS games. But are those games really comparable to a full-fledged console game?
And yeah the motion controls didn't add much to Twilight Princess, I agree. But in Skyward Sword they really made a difference and added something to the gameplay.

@Anti-Matter : I don't like Just Dance myself, because its wrong music.
As you say there is better dancing games, but those aren't coming to a Nintendo console.

I think JD is the best selling UBI game on Wii U, and is why it keeps getting them.

Just Dance 17

@rjejr Some on-topic perspective:

@shani Well, personally I wouldn't play many of those iOS games above more traditional console games with more advanced controls, but that's just me. I'm sure many people would actually prefer them, and certainly a lot of the more casual gamers.

And I absolutely agree that they made a real difference and added something to the gameplay in Skyward Sword. It was one of the best examples of motion controls I've ever seen.

@rjejr And some more perspective here. Slightly older video, but you may have missed it, and this one makes a heck of a lot of sense, imho:

@ThanosReXXX OK, let me light up a doob and start watching...

Send that 1st vid to Jax, not me, I agree w/ him.

"An interesting watch"

um, you know he's just playing old games, right?

As I've said several times, I do like the idea of a separate home console, and I don't think anything about a handheld w/ a TV out dock means no home console. It probably makes a home console a harder sell once you have a handheld w/ TV out, but if it can only output 540p in stereo, that's incentive for 1080p in 5.1. And while all handheld games can play that way on the TV, maybe some games like Zelda Wild don't scale down to the handheld. Or maybe some games require both. $80 balance board sold a ton. Literally a ton, I weighed them. And FF:CC basically required both. 4 handhelds for the full effect.

So he could be right about the 2 consoles, I'm 60% 1, 40% two at the moment, heaven forbid Ntinod just tell us already, but he's wrong about 3rd party support, it ain't coming back. Not EA anyway, and EA is a lot of it. Maybe Squeenix, that's more than Wii U got. And maybe Activision gives us whatever it is they do, COD, Destiny? But no sports hurts. And very few FPS. No Titanfall, maybe Dragonball Xenoverse, that should be on a Ntnedo console, 3DS gets tons of DB games, I weighed them too.

No time for the 3rd gotta cook dinner, that's what I mean by trying, later.

@ThanosReXXX You know, I should start my own Youtube channel - "Cranky old man w/ a Clue" - b/c no matter who we watch or listen to, I never hear anything new. Sometimes I agree, or you agree, or Jax agrees, but nothing new.

Red Steel 3 would be cool. And I love all the hate Ubisoft gets. To be fair, I hate on Ubi a lot too but if I were a Nintendo-only gamer I'd have nothing bad to say. Yes, it 'abandoned' the Wii U, because the freaking console sold like crap right out of gate. This thing had a worse first year than the PS3 and that console's first year was a complete nightmare for Sony. Ubisoft tried though, it wasn't until it was clear the Wii U was going nowhere that, just like higher ups at every other company, the suits at Ubi threw their hands up and said 'we're done.' If Nintendo could secure something like Red Steel 3 and maybe nab a deal on the next Assassin's Creed for some timed or full exclusive content or even just a marketing deal like a system bundle, that would be huge. And Ubisoft has shown in the past it is a company more than willing to work with Nintendo.

I'd love to see a Red Steel 3, but the series only works with motion controls, so unless NX is motion based (or is Wii remote compatible) there wouldn't really be much point.

An exclusive that uses the NX hardware would be cool, like Red Steel did for the Wii or Zombi U did for the Wii U, but hopefully a bit more polished.

@JaxonH

"Don't believe me? Go read that last interview with the Ubi CEO. He basically said "we'll always be there to support at launch. Our company values prioritize being the first to venture out onto new hardware".

So you see, they don't care if it flops, they just want the attention it brings having a AAA game on a new system at launch.

So you can bet they'll have an exclusive for NX at launch, and it won't be Raving Rabbids."

Zombi U was an B game and that was the only exclusive Ubisoft brought to the Wii U launch. So I don't know how you can now claim that they will support the NX better at launch.

You're statement is really a bit much. It's all about money for every company involved. Ubisoft dropped Wii U support because it wasn't successful for them. Whatever positive attention their support brought was offset by the negative attention they received when they immediately stopped supporting the console in any meaningful way. So yes, I do think they care a great deal if it flops or not. I still expect some launch support from them, but it won't be the reason to own an NX.

@cleveland124
Of course it's all about money but, money isn't always about the immediate short term benefit.

"The negatuve attention it brought"

Ubisoft was the las player standing. The last one. Everyone else either didn't support at all, or gave up, and Ubi brought more AAA games to Wii U than any other developer in the industry. But that's not the point. I don't really even think they care about Nintendo fans who throw fits and make them into the bad guy when they're the last people supporting the console even though nobody is buying their games and yet they still continue to bring games to a dying console.

They like the attention. maybe for investors, maybe for brand image.

But again, they want to be on the console at launch- that is more important to them. Perhaps that wording was a little heavy by saying they don't care- obviously anyone would care if it flops, The point I'm making is that's not enough to stop them from being there at launch and supporting with the game at launch.

To say it won't be a reason to own an NX, well, it's very rare to want to own a system for one or two games so I don't really think thats saying much. But if it's a game some people like, it could be a reason. @rjejr wants Beyond Good & Evil 2, and I'm sure there's others. Even Red Steel 3 could sell a few consoles. Most people are buying the consoles anyways or not buying it anyways, but I think every exclusive game counts at least to some degree. And maybe nonexclusive's will count more sense these games will be able to be played on the go, presumably.

@Anti-Matter Don't get me wrong, I don't think the NX will fail (I don't know enough about it to make any sort of proper judgement). I was merely criticising the way Ubisoft does things. I stilll haven't forgotten the way they completely abandoned the Wii U when it was just out

@Gamer83
Nintendo fans have nothing to complain about with Ubisoft. They should be thanking them for their unyielding support despite everyone else abandoning their console or not supporting at all.

People use Rayman Legends delay as a reason to hate. Not understanding that Wii U fell off the map after launch, and an exclusive Rayman would be sending the franchise to its death. But fans don't care in their selfishness.

Ad they hold a grudge SO MUCH because of this, they ignore all the other games Ubisoft brought to the table over the first two years after launch- games people are always whining about wanting on Nintendo consoles but then stick their head in the sand when they actually get what they asked for.

Ubisoft has treated Nintendo fans like royalty, and they get labeled the boogeyman for it. No wonder 3r parties don't want anything to do with this fanbase (as if lack of demand despite vocal outcries wasn't enough as is)

No Beyond and evil 2, I presume? On the other hand, that likely won't happen on any console Lol!

@rjejr Well, it's not so much about hearing something new specifically, it's more about hearing something that makes sense of it all, connects the dots in a logical manner and is more likely to happen instead of the gazillions of idiotic rumors or incomplete rumors that just don't fit the bill.

And although I didn't completely do so in the beginning, I'm more in agreement now with these videos than I ever was. Yes, I always liked them, but for the most part I interpreted them in the same way as I would interpret the rumors.

The difference is that these rumors keep varying in information and almost NEVER come up with any concrete proof or sources, not even here, other than saying "well, we've checked EuroGamer's story and we know for a fact it's true" while a couple of these YouTubers continuously come up with what indeed looks like concrete evidence of their claims.

At the very least they are trying to show us how they came to their conclusions, which is something I can appreciate and take at face value. Just saying that you have sources and that this and that is the absolute truth without showing even the tiniest bit of evidence to support your claims means absolutely nothing to me.

And I don't even need salt to evaluate that...

@JaxonH " these games will be able to be played on the go, presumably."

While I don't believe all of this stuff 100%, I am 100% sure Nintendo will make another handheld after the New 3DS, no presumably about that, 100% thee will be another handheld. Though I suppose presumably could be an issue if they also make a home console and some 3rd parties don't want us to be able to play it on the go, or the Home is X2 and the handheld is X1 so it simply can't. But as much as I may like that idea, I think it's a handheld w/ a dock that does TV out, all games. The only real question is the TV dock in every box and a cheap piece of plastic that only does TV out, or do they sell it separtly for $100 like a PS TV b/c it adds something like RAM for up-scaling and 5.1 sound and maybe throw a Pro controller in the box?

But if BG&E2 does come, you'll be playing it at lunch in your truck.

@rjejr VR is fine in small doses and a cheap add-on to make sure it doesn't completely miss the boat would be fine. I totally agree with you that AR is the way to go in the long run, but there's already too many expectations on the NX to think that you'll be able to see through the screen or have a good enough and responsive enough pair of cameras on the back to make it work like AR.

The detachable controllers for on-the-go local multiplay with one device is a nice benefit, but with the added possibility of a cheap VR add-on has a double benefit and makes it feel versatile. Less gimmicky?

@JaxonH

Their were no long term benefits for Ubisoft on the Wii U. A game from a series like Assassins Creed or Batman doesn't move the needle much. Fans of those series own a Sony/Microsoft box. They need to continue to release those games on Nintendo consoles to get Nintendo fans into the series.

And it's not about negative fanboys. Those games sold poorly which is why their were no sequels. Those games were also had some poor reviews on reputable websites. We are yet to see how much they'll support the NX. If they support it well, it means they think it will sell more than the Wii U.

The benefit to being on a console at launch is people buy a new console to play games on and their is limited competition. For instance, if Ubisoft releases 4 games of 20 launch games, they are bound to sell some just from people looking for more games on that system. Whereas a game on the PS4 might have to compete with 40 releases this month and the library of games already on the system. You have to market a PS4 release so it stands out whereas you don't have to market a game on a new system that much because their options are limited and they are looking for games. But that doesn't matter much if you don't think the new system will sell.

@cleveland124
I understand all the benefits of a game at launch, I'm just telling you what Ubisoft said, in their own words, as to why they will absolutely 100% be at new hardware launches. Showcasing their talent with new hardware, that was their reasoning. Not my words, but theirs.

@aaronsullivan "responsive enough pair of cameras on the back to make it work like AR."

Well, if it's going to double as a tablet, it should have a camera on the back, almost every tablet released today does.

I don't like headsets, that's pretty much where it ends w/ me w/ VR. Too much hair. And as a father, worrying about stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvm-my1VuUg

7:00 mark

@rjejr Yes, I saw the phone fly out the first time you linked the video , but that's why NX makes more sense. The thing is designed to have solid connections on either side of the screen even without VR.

Even if you don't like it, I think it's a good idea for Nintendo to have a player in this market at this time. They need to work with it and find a niche because it is not going away and VR may play second fiddle to AR in the future but right now there will be a VR wave of interest.

It's a gigantic advantage over the other guys who don't have a portable. The VR add-ons are single-purpose and require large investments first. The big disadvantage for Nintendo of course is performance which is really, really important to minimize nausea along with sensitivity that the other guys are adding using external cameras or sensors so there are still issues, but letting the opportunity slide would be a mistake, in my opinion.

It strikes me that Microsoft may enter the VR market with a portable game machine for use with the Xbox... hmm... For instance, the Hololens is a self-contained device. Hmm...

@aaronsullivan "the Hololens is a self-contained device."

I think it would be stupid for MS to start working on VR now as it just started selling Hololens for $3,000 each. And I'd rather Ntineod not focus any resources - hardware or software - on VR. After the Wii U's failure and the 3DS getting a 2DS sibling, I think they need to worry about making hardware that sells and games that play on it, not be focused on VR. If NX takes off, they can do some VR stuff in a couple of years, unless like motion and 3D TV it fades away as a fad.

@gatorboi352

Late response, It also has a lot to do with the age of the kids and level of interaction from the parents.

We know it has a March release date and that it is not a replacement for Wii u or the 3ds. Everything else is speculation. This is becoming the best kept secret of the internet. Maybe they will reveal it today or next week or even the same month as launch. I just wish we didn't have all these, "everything we know so far about the NX", threads going around polluting forums.