Topic: The everything Xbox thread

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@Dezzy yeah they mean post skyim. That was a 360 era game. (I have the dragon statue le to prove it! ). Morrowind was mostly a big empty flat field but with well designed towns and dungeons. Now people want dense worlds.

@Ryu_Niiyama I'll go to the bottom, then the top them summarize the middle.... And yeah, you, rjejr, and a few others got me started here by from my lurker days lol

Bottom: afaik, but i can't say for certain, no, you don't have to keep the disc in, which is kind of the whole point. It makes it like switching nes carts for up to 5 games for physical and like a multicart for digital, but better because theirs no logo or save load screen! To me that's the feature of the generation. Is be surprised if ps5 didn't get it too, if not at launch, eventually. Nobody can copy and paste like Sony can!

The top: I don't think it's an age thing. If anything based on price tends, features supported (it's all about those oleds for 3k and 5k atmos audio systems!) Id say the target demo is the 25-45 affluent single. 2/3 ain't bad, right?

Yet we're clearly so far from the demo, we can't figure out exactly what it is. I don't think it's age based at all. It was more age based in the 80s (children only.). Id suggest it connects with market tend gaming you mentioned. Specifically i think the target demo is a certain type of media consumer, and particularly, the social media connected new media consumer. I don't think what they do and how they do it makes any more sense to the target demo than it does to us. I think the target demo is one that obliviously buys what they're told they should want even if it makes no sense to them. It's not limited to games. Movies, music, tv, even food now targets that demo. It's not me. It's not you. I don't comprehend it even slightly. But i don't think it's defined by age brackets. It's a certain type of mass media brainwashed consumer. Which is most people. It's mostly that both of us are disconnected from society in general in terms of what's desirable and how things are viewed. The content itself is more general audience than the all cod and Duke nukem 90s. But the demographic seems to be a psych profile than an age group.

Additionally there's the problem that i think many studios are run by artists and not product designers. Nintendo makes games to be a product, not art. And it's designed to meet it's goals as a product. The art forward studios design games as art, as statements, as avenues to create the art they want to create and express their ability to push technology. Then to justify that massive expense as something consumers should want to pay for. It's not the game the customer wanted, it's the game they wanted to make, no matter the cost, and then the find a way to sell that idea and monetize it. In that regard, half the time, the only demographic is the people that made it. Some games obviously have a target. Fortnite, cod, all of them have obvious targets. Acnh was targeted at"children and young girls"and yet it's roughly even genders, 20-40 that's actually playing it. Target demo clearly doesn't translate to actual market all the time

The younger devs are just Hollywood drop outs..... And it seems some work both in games and in Hollywood... Just a revolving door. Also part of the problem overall.

I don't think we're aging out of games. I think we're culturing out of society.

Middle: obsidians problem has for a long time been budgetary. They just haven't had access to the kind of money they need for the kind of game they make. They have the talent, experience, and ambition.... But no cash. The Microsoft buyout may be just the thing they needed. I wouldn't judge on outer worlds. The Tim Cain writing is great. The rest of the game is what they could do with their missing budget. That launched right after the buyout. Bethesda... Yeah, their idea of fallout sucks, full stop. If that's the future of fallout, i don't really care who owns it, it's still sucky. But as you said, new vegas. Which was obsidian, not Bethesda. If they can get some collaboration between these studios, and we could get new vegas level cohesion and humor instead of a bleak zombie wasteland, fallout could interest me again. Otherwise, I've lost interest. Not a survival apocalypse fan. Fallout was once an rpg. But tes is my bread and butter, and starfield is interesting. The ms combination of Bethesda, obsidian, and inexile is the one and only chance of getting real fallout again. Though we've had enough fallout. It needs to rest. But I'd forgive them if they did it right. Heck, just put Tim Cain on the writing and the rest will fall into place.

And I'll cut it short there because I've been pecking at this all day and if I don't post this part now, it'll end up lost!

This is me keeping it short as well. #sinsOfATextWaller