Topic: The PlayStation Fan Thread

If they show FF7 remake and Last of Us 2, Sony will win E3.

If not, I think Nintendo will win by showing us a new 3D Metroid and some more Xenoblade 2 footage.

I think Nintendo will win by showing us an expanded Smash Wii U port launching this year with GC controller support. Smash and Mario Kart in the first year would set the Switch up very nicely for the future.

I think it's pretty much a guarantee that Sony will show off TLOU Part II at this year's E3.

BADUM-TISH!

The biggest thing I'm wondering about Sony's E3 is if we'll see Death Stranding and if the rumors are true about Emma Stone being in the game's cast.

Beyond that I'm looking forward to seeing more of Spider-Man and God of War.

@Grumblevolcano

No-one's winning E3 by showing off a port!

I don't think TLOU 2 will be at E3, because why would it be? It's not coming out this year, and the first actual trailer is something they probably want to save for PSX. I don't expect a lot of new announcements. It looks like they're spreading things out between E3, TGS, PSX, Gamescom and/or PGW. For E3 it makes sense to focus on the upcoming holiday season, so I expect some release dates and trailers of upcoming games. Most of the new announcements will be reserved for PSX, after the holiday season.

I'm sure Kojima will be there with another trailer though. Another trailer that is mysteriously connected to the previous two. I think Kojima even said that the trailers leading up to the game itself and figuring out the secret message was a ''game'' itself.

@Dezzy It's Smash though! If MK8 and Smash Wii U were 2013 games instead of 2014 games the Wii U would've probably been a success commercially.

Well, that's my PS4 used until Crash comes out. Assuming that isn't bad as well.

So...Yooka-Laylee....

It's fallen into the same trap that Undertale, Mario 64, 3D Zelda, Crash 1, Mega Man 2, etc. fell into. "Oh my God youll love this game its so good please play it" and its crap. All the people hyping up Banjo and all that good stuff, I will guarantee you now I wont like it if Yooka-Laylee is anything close to that game!

It's so bloody boring. The voices are grating. There are literally loads of collectibles in the most random of bloody places. Some of the puzzles have no real solution and I cheesed a lot of them. And where's the world boundaries? I can literally go anywhere with a little effort and snap the game in two? It makes it feel amateur.

Musically its ok. Visually too, actually. I just wish the part that holds my interest wasn't absolute ass.

I haven't even gotten the drive to finish this thing. That's how bad it is. I slogged through Sonic Boom and Mario 64. I cant slog this.

@BLP_Software Maybe you shouldn't play collect-a-thon platformers, as it sounds like you don't enjoy the genre.

Also, it's your own fault if you get caught up in other people's hype. I did that with Bloodborne and bought it close to launch day. Boy, did I get burned! But I learned a valuable lesson. If I buy something, it's going to be because it looks interesting TO ME, not because a dozen people are like: "ZOMG BEST GAME EVER!"

I'm looking forward to trying YL. It can't be as bad as Mario 64. I've never played a 3D platformer I liked less.

@Ralizah I do like collect-a-thon 3D platformers. Spyro, Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, etc etc.

And yeah, I do get caught up in the hype, but not in the way you think. I have no problem people recommending me games in such a way and judging for myself. There's a reason I haven't played Undertale, or Earthbound, or Melee. Because I know I wont enjoy them.

Yooka-Laylee is part of a genre I grew up on and enjoy. I backed the game, because people said if you like those kinds of games in a 3D space collecting stuff, then it's for you. So I said sure thing, I'll give it a shot, never played something by RARE before. Cheaper than getting my hands on Rare Replay or an N64 cart.

Heck, my favourite game ever, Xenoblade X, was brought to me in the same way as Mario 64, or Ocarina of Time, or these RARE style games. So was Just Cause and Binding of Isaac. All games I love.

I gave these games that I don't like that were hyped up to me, a chance, or several, because it's new to me and holds some kind of interest to me. I don't dislike them because people hype it. I dislike it because I tried it and it was bad. If someone recommends a game to me I'll look, see if it interests me or falls into a genre I like or have interest in, and go from there.

The hype isn't what kills the game, thanks, it's the game itself. I judge the product, what a user pays for. Not compare it to other things, because that's not what I bought. I don't compare it to them build up or anything. There is a game on my desk, I'm giving my thoughts strictly about that.

And Yooka-Laylee, despite being in a genre I adore, with the exception of Mario 64 mostly due to age, is a game I don't enjoy. On its own as the product that it is, its bad in my eyes.

@BLP_Software Did you just say Mario 64 and 3D Zelda is bad? I mean I love 2D mario stage based games and I love isometric Zelda....but bad? That's a term I've almost ever seen attributed to those games. (I'm paraphrasing 'bad' because mods )

@Ralizah TLOU is possibly the least exciting thing they could show me. I don't do horror or zombies. TLOU, last year was (what was it until dawn, before dawn, dawn of a new age, somthing with zombies and dawn that I don't care about), RE, ugh, can't get more uninterested

I can't get excited for Death Stranding either. Beyond Naked Dude (TM) I'm not even sure WHAT Death Stranding even is, and since it's Kojima imagine I still won't know what it is even after it's been on shelves for months

@NEStalgia I did just at that yes.

Mario 64 has myriads of problems mostly down to age. I still appreciate the revolution but that's not why I review something. I review what it is, and what it is, is aged. Terribly. With some inconsistent design for good measure.

3D Zelda? Slow. SHallow. Kinda dull. Never found it fun.

@Ralizah Out of curiosity, given that you often appear quite open minded about games from the Far East, what was it about Bloodborne that got you burned? I also wonder if you had previously played Dark (or Demon's) Souls, or if you had known what kind of game it was before you dived in, head first?

Just surprised to see you so down about it!

@NEStalgia

When exactly was there an isometric Zelda?

@BLP_Software Oh the perspective on Mario 64 NOW, yes, I agree it's aged badly. Not when viewed from the perspective of its own time of course. But I don't disagree now.

3D Zelda? How is 3D zelda any slower/shallower/duller than 2D zelda?

@Dezzy, ugh, I still call it isometric, I guess it's really top-down though ALBW is technically isometric. Or at least quasi-isometric with the 3D on.

@Peek-a-boo I've played Dark Souls 1 before. Never finished it, but I got at least as far as Blighttown. Not my sort of game, but I appreciate it for what it is.

As for why I'm down on Bloodborne... let's see: the frame-pacing issues were a bit of an annoyance for me. The environments (with the possible exception of the Nightmare Frontier) felt bland and samey. The gameplay feels like it was simplified from what was originally available in Dark Souls and forces the player into one playstyle (hyper-aggressive, because the game as designed to be played that way). The game lacked most of the awe-inspiring encounters I experienced in Dark Souls, and visually, it doesn't look a whole lot better to boot (or maybe it does, but the game is so murky that I couldn't tell).

It also has the same basic problem I had with Dark Souls: outside of having some strange, practically unintelligible exchanges with a small smattering of NPCs, it felt like there was nothing TO the game outside of the combat. The combat system itself is pretty decent, but less technical and challenging than something like Bayonetta. The mechanic where you can recover health by attacking aggressively is interesting, I guess, but not a lot is done with it.

I don't think it's a bad game, but I'll never understand the love people have for it. I'll try it again one day, if only because I purchased it digitally and am thus stuck with it.

@NEStalgia I love horror, and I can tolerate zombies, even if they're over-saturated in Western media at this point (the core concept of your loved one becoming a mindless, shambling corpse monster who wants to eat you after he or she dies is still wonderfully bleak and nihilistic at its core), but TLOU was a joyless slog for me. Clunky combat. Boring characters that I didn't care about. Tons of forced walking and talking. Boring plank-carrying segments. No real build-up of tension or paranoia, so it even fails as horror for me. Too many segments where you creep around killing mooks. The game was generic post-apocalyptic faff, in my opinion.

An yeah, outside of some confusing CG teasers, I don't even know what to think about Death Stranding.

@NEStalgia How long does it take to go from A to B in a 2D Zelda compared to 3D? Take Ocarina of Time. You do a lot of the same structure as ALTTP, but it takes longer simply due to an extra dimension.

And I don't know what made me find it boring. Combat? Going around large dungeons? Being in the UK so it runs at 12FPS?

@BLP_Software LOL...ahh good old PAL.

I think taking a long time to get places was kind of the point though. In 2D Zelda it's about accomplishing your checklist of objectives you've given yourself, and just moving the little bits around until it happens. 3D zelda is supposed to be more like "traveling on an adventure in a medieval world" (which is what the originals were supposed to be simulating as well), not efficiently moving bits to achieve goalposts

I won't disagree that Ocarina has aged badly like Mario 64, but as a concept I think 3D Zelda is an extension of the ideas the first was supposed to make you imagine. Though I still love the 2D gameplay loop as well for its own merits.

though it seems like 3D Zelda is kind of the formula of 90% of games these days

That's not what isometric means. Isometric means the X-Z axis are presented 30 degrees from the horizontal. See:
Something like Disgaea or Age of Empires is isometric.
You're probably confusing the 2 because they're both top-down camera views.