Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Vee_Flames Same idea for my iPhone, yeah?

@HobbitGamer Yep, anything with a glass screen protector installed. I've used the bus pass strategy for replacing the screen protector on my phone and my Switch.

@Anvold I don't want to be rude, but don't you think you're being a tad arrogant? A lot of people have played those games and enjoyed them just fine on Switch. If they don't meet your standards, you don't have to play them, but if other people enjoy them, they have every right to. Saying they shouldn't exist is an insult to the hard work people put into porting them as well as the thousands and thousands of people who have had a blast playing them on Switch.

@Heavyarms55 Eh, that’s their opinion. Mine matters more to me. I’m glad I can play Witcher without committing only to the TV. I wouldn’t have played it otherwise at this point.

@HobbitGamer I mean, I'd call if fair if all they were saying is that the games don't run well enough for them to enjoy. But it kinda irks me when people are so full of themselves that they think their person dislike of something is reason enough to call for it not to exist for others who enjoy it.

I'm okay with people disliking things, heck if they hate it, but they're clear that it's their own feeling and leave it at that, that's fine. But it crosses a line when they think they should be entitled to deny that thing they don't like to others. Like, I really hate how sports are worshiped and how athletes are placed on a pedestal and treated like heroes for running fast and throwing a ball around. I actually think it's borderline unhealthy and unsafe. But if that's what people want to do, it's on them. I'm not gonna call for an abolishing of professional sports because I don't like them. But that's the kind of thing he seems to be doing, calling for games he doesn't like to not exist - because he doesn't like them.

@HobbitGamer
It is “their opinion”. But it’s unreasonable and has no merit whatsoever.

Any person can have their own personal beliefs about something. They can like a game or not like a game and that’s perfectly fine (within reason- moderation in all things). But when someone then starts saying their personal desire is that millions of gamers get cheated out of countless amazing games, that they don’t deserve to enjoy them, all because... wait for it... “they don’t like it”, that opinion starts infringing on the “live and let live” mantra, or rather, “game and let game”.

That’s a sure fire way to lose 100% of my respect in three sentences or less. Telling someone you think the games they love shouldn’t exist simply because you’re not interested. It’s not only selfish, it’s... well, I’m just gonna call a spade a spade here: it’s downright evil. The audacity to think your opinion (not you, obviously, speaking generally here) should determine whether millions of other people have a right to enjoy games they love... it’s just unbelievable.

As if it’s objective fact every single multiplat on Switch is severely inferior (not to mention shouldn’t exist)... when quite the opposite is true. The majority of the time, Switch versions look 90% as good, offer twice the value as hybrid and gyro to boot. Even the severe downgrades, which are much smaller in number, can be argued as being just as good if not better, depending on what you value more. Yet for some reason the lowest common denominator argument always seems to be specs. As if that is the trump card and nothing else matters. For some people it does matter more, yet for many others, the opposite is true, and still yet for others, it’s decided on a game by game basis. You don’t write off 300 amazing games just because 4 of them had slightly longer load times or 30fps (especially without accounting for what you get in exchange)... they’re certainly not objectively inferior to the point they shouldn’t exist. That’s radically incorrect. Witcher 3, DOOM, Wolfenstein 2, etc, these are some of the most impressive games ever released on a handheld gaming system. And this guy’s saying they shouldn’t even exist? Gimme a break.

@Heavyarms55
Exactly right. Opinions on games are one thing. Say you like a game, or say you don’t like a game. It’s whatever. But the fluffed ego someone would have to have to think their disapproval is grounds for wishing millions of other people who do approve shouldn’t have the right to enjoy games they love... it’s unbelievable to me how people can become so puffed up.

It’s kinda like saying “I hope you die”, then quickly following with “it’s just an opinion”. No. It’s much more than that. That’s wishing personal misfortune on others for no reason whatsoever.

Although in my experience, most of the time when people make statements like this they are low-key trolling, looking for a way to dress up their attempts to marginalize the system and its game library. They come with a hard extreme and get people to compromise in defense. Say the games are the “worst thing on planet earth and shouldn’t exist”, and people say “come on, no way...”, then they eventually concede and say fine, they have the right to exist, but they’re definitely all inferior. And people mistakenly believe there’s a victory in them conceding they have a right to exist, but in truth, they’ve actually convinced you not to contest inferiority. BAM. There it is. They coax a compromise out of others to concede inferiority, the ego fluff they came here fishing for. You see this tactic used in politics all the time. And with as many people who come around this site looking to vent their insecurities given the Switch’s success, you eventually just see it so many times you start smelling people’s motives a mile away, even from just a single whiff.

I have to say I'm thoroughly enjoying God Wars The Complete Legend. Very addicting and somewhat tricky at times. Story and writing are horrendous(I just skip everything; it's not even worth my time) feels like an anime fan with no talent wrote all this.

@JaxonH nicely put.

Do you remember the times when you had to get a downgraded version of Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, or Super Smash Bros. on the 3DS to have these games on the go? You had to own a second console (a handheld) and buy the games twice! You paid for something you knew was worse, just to have the benefit of it being portable. This was just a couple of years ago!!

I remember the times when I had to buy Mortal Kombat 1, 2, 3 on the Game Boy because I wanted to play them outside of my home, and most of these games were terrible downgraded ports that were missing characters, modes, music, graphics, controls, all kinds of stuff.

With the Switch you finally have top-notch handheld versions that don't cost an extra console and an extra game. Mortal Kombat 11 on Switch is the first truly great portable Mortal Kombat game as it's the same as every other version. And it's certainly not the only portable game that made such a leap with the Switch. Just compare Smash for 3DS with Smash Ultimate.

Imagine Witcher 3 on the 3DS, thank God these times are over!

Switch has uncut 1:1 ports that you can play portable, and the biggest difference is a slight downgrade in graphics resolution. Switch is a huuuuge step up for portable gaming.

@JaxonH @Heavyarms55 Don’t misunderstand, I agree with you both. That kind of opinion was arrogant, selfish, and just horribly base. When I say “that’s your opinion” and leave it at that, it’s because I simply am no longer willing to engage in a thoughtful and respectful conversation about differences of view. Once that happens, it’s not productive for me.

Both of you had much more poignant thoughts than I would have written at the time 😉

The split is generally between those who only use docked mode and those who use portable mode at least some of the time. If you don't use portable mode at all then portable mode is just a limiting factor preventing Switch from being a power console meanwhile if you use portable mode (which most Switch owners do) then you're looking at a portable experience that's massively improved over the last portable (3DS).

I don't own Witcher 3 on any platform but I have watched videos of it running on a 4K tv and it's not blurry at all. Of course you notice the difference if you're coming from a PC or PS4 Pro, but the quality on a Switch is still very high.

And to say the Switch 'only' sold 50 Million when it's already one of the best-selling Nintendo consoles of all time and still only half-way through its life cycle is ludicrous to say the least. It's practically guaranteed to reach 70-75 Million and probably more.

@SKTTR Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World is, in many ways, an improvement on the Wii U version, and Smash 3DS has better SP modes, so I wouldn't go with those examples.

@Ralizah I thought they are just little bonuses, an incentive to shell out money for the exact same game that is downgraded on several other points: Mostly worse graphic and sound quality (obviously), and a more costly way to access multiplayer or amiibo stuff (for all the extra hardware and software you need to buy to unlock these features). Of course they had to come up with a little something to counter all those downgrades, since the only upsides (portability and 3D) are expected features for a 3DS port.

In case of Yoshi's Woolly World, the Poochy stages would undoubtedly be better if they were made for the Wii U game in an update or if it was all built into a Switch port. Same for practically everything else, be it Smash Run or Mario Maker 3DS's extra stages.

@SKTTR The 3DS version of YWW trades the (pointless) 3D overworld and multiplayer for more amiibo support, bonus Poochy stages, unlockable movies, and the ability to design your own Yoshi design with patches collected from the new Pencil Patch collectible, which replaces the Stamp Patch (pointless now that Miiverse is dead). The 3D looks good, so I consider that a fair trade for the lack of HD visuals. The music... sounded fine to me? I mean, maybe if you're an audiophile it's noticeable, but I played with headphones and it sounded great.

Oh, and the 3DS version added an easy mode. I didn't use it, but I guess it's a good option for children.

The only real downgrade is the loss of multiplayer, but as a SP experience, it's superior.

Smash Wii U does have more stuff in it (better multiplayer modes and more extra content), but, like I said, I found the SP modes in it to be more engaging, so I don't really consider it a downgrade. Especially when the Wii U and 3DS versions have different stages.

Wii U version is obviously better for local multiplayer at home, but I could take my 3DS version out to conventions and challenge people, so...

I don't disagree about Mario Maker, though. The 3DS version... calling it "gimped" is being nice. It's unambiguously inferior to the Wii U version.

3DS had a number of ports that were either not unambiguous downgrades or were upgrades on the original. Hyrule Warriors Legends and Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn come to mind as well.

But, in general, I agree that it's nice that we have a system where we can play games portably without having to buy separate copies to do so.

@Ralizah Be a dear and remind me... in what way is Extra Epic Yarn an upgrade? I've been trying to convince myself my 3DS collection doesn't need it.

Ironically, sometimes the downgrades in graphic quality meant sometimes the games actually had better performance.

For example, Hyrule Warriors has a much more consistent frame rate on the New 3DS than on the WiiU. It’s basically locked to 30fps on n3DS, while the drop in enemy count was pretty much cosmetic (the game decides to skip on the filler enemies that are too far away for you to actually damage).

And yeah Yoshi’s Wooly World is the original game and more, just downgraded in graphic quality, it’s amazing how perfect of a port it is. Same goes for Captain Toad.

@gcunit A hard mode. More items, including ones that give Kirby six "Ravel Abilities," which function similarly to certain copy abilities from previous games. Added minigames featuring Dedede and Meta Knight. Amiibo compatibility. There's also some sort of streetpass functionality.

It's not quite as much a revolution in content as HW Legends was, but it adds more than most 3DS ports. All it really loses is the local multiplayer.

@Ralizah So you're telling me I not only need to double up on Epic Yarn, but Hyrule Warriors even more so? My wallet says I need to put you on my ignore list.

@gcunit I mean, last I heard the Switch version of HW is the one to get. All the content from 3DS + the few pieces of content that were cut from the Wii U version + the best performance and graphics.