Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Grumblevolcano
It’s basically the same in US. Except Zelda is #1 (how is it not in EU?), Goose game #2 and DQXIS #7 with Ori #8.

That kills me, seeing meme over masterpiece.

@JaxonH The Goose game is going to outsell Ori and DQXI S combined initially.

I'm surprised Cuphead's ecstatic reception doesn't seem to be extending to Ori.

@Ralizah
I'm surprised Cuphead's ecstatic reception doesn't seem to be extending to Ori.

Surprised... and disheartened. Ori is far and away the better game.

Idk why everyone is ignoring Ori, when everyone went crazy for Cuphead, when it has everything Nintendo fans want. It’s a Metroidvania (check), extremely tight mechanics (check), incredible ambiance (check), flawless performance and peak resolution (check), fair price (check), demo (check), and is one of the most highly praised and beloved games from an indie studio this generation, if not ever (check).

No Youtubers are talking about it. No gaming sites are showcasing it. No gamers are talking about it. You’d think it was just some B-grade pixel indie the way it’s getting the cold shoulder (I take that back, even B-grade pixel indies get more love than Ori is getting). It’s a travesty. Ori is Microsoft’s top exclusive in the eyes of many who’ve played it (certainly mine). Switch owners are incredibly fortunate to be able to play this masterpiece.

And I have a feeling The Witcher 3 is going to be the next one to get the cold shoulder. Ori and Witcher 3, two of the best games of our time, on a hybrid handheld/console Nintendo platform... and so few seem to care. ☹️

@JaxonH I'm still fighting all my friends to convince them to give the Ori demo a chance. None of them have even heard of Ori before. I'm hoping it can take off via word of mouth, since from what I've played it should go as crazy as Hollow Knight did.

@Ralizah @JaxonH Release date is important, the setup of an insane amount of games being released in a short period of time means some are going to get left behind. First half of 2019 was rather empty meanwhile September was insanely packed.

Has any tried that Mistover demo? Pretty great if you ask me, especially for someone who loves the Darkest Dungeon which this game is hugely inspired by. Just needed Wayne June to pop out of nowhere and say "Ruin has come to our family".

But i will say, this game overwhelming at first, the demo( time trial) doesn't tell you nothing. Well, they do tell you tidbits on exploring but nothing else , nothing on the battle system, positions, skills, MP and status effects. Which is very frustrating for newcomers like myself, all you can do is go with the flow and keep playing while hoping for the best.

Indeed... I just wish it wasn’t the two games that could be considered legitimate masterpieces and some of the greatest games released of all time... to be the ones that end up on peoples’ chopping block... while games like The Goose gets priority #1.

It makes me fearful of the kind future support we’ll see, once developers realize Goose = crazy sales while Ori, Witcher 3 are largely ignored (Witcher 3 still hasn’t broken #200 on Amazon and we’re 2 weeks from launch, even Ni No Kuni was in the top #100 2 weeks before its launch, and that game will by no means break 1m sold). It’s like saying to devs: more of cheap appeal indies please, and less of the legit, super high quality masterpieces.

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And no disrespect for the goose game- it has its place and seems like it can be silly fun, I just don’t think it’s in the same class as games such as Ori or Witcher 3.

UGG doesn’t have a problem with competing with itself on other platforms. The Switch version for most is going to be considered the only version for most (Considering how much people hate the Epic Store), I’d assume over 80% of games sales are coming from the Switch version. That decent sized launch discount also helps.

Witcher 3 is going to especially be a victim of this. $60 at launch for the Switch version when I can just walk into a Best Buy and get the complete edition for $20.

At least DQ XI and Ori are in the Top 10 on the ESHOP. It seems FIFA 20 is hilariously floundering in most regions.Serves EA right for putting very little efforts into the Switch version.

I feel like UGG is done a discredit here too, it is reviewed well and seems like a fun game. Sometimes the simple fun is just what you need at a certain moment.

Speaking of Ori, I've been playing the demo and I like it. But I read online that it has an issue with difficulty spikes and that's scaring me off. I'm not the best in platforming games (DKTF was too hard at the normal difficulty). Is it worth it for me or not?

I absolutely adore the art and the music. I'm just a bit apprehensive.

For Witcher 3, I feel the cost is justified because A it’s the launch price, and games always launch full price first and then drop- it’s never hurt other games on Switch before, B it has all the DLC included, and C it’s all on a 32gb cartridge which had to be expensive.

We’re always saying how we’d rather just pay more to have the full game on cart, so I see Witcher 3 kinda like that. $40 for the base game, $10 for the DLC, and $10 for the full game + expansions being crammed onto a 32gb cart.

Granted, it’s still true that the game can be obtained for less elsewhere, and that will deter some, but those were never the people the game was targeting day one in the first place. Skyrim was $60 day one and (judging by charting comparisons with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 on Amazon and eShop) is likely pushing 2 million sold at this point. Diablo 3 for $60. Civilization VI for $60. All games that have done extremely well by admission of the devs/publishers. So I’m not sure why that would have any statistically different impact on Witcher 3. Most customers on Switch for games like this value the hybrid functionality over the price, and are willing to pay a premium for such a product, and willing to pay for huge games all on cart, or, don’t have other systems and thus don’t care much about price comparisons, as long as they feel they’re getting their money’s worth for their purchase.

@Suicune
It can get difficult sometimes, like DKC, but, Ori let’s you pretty much save anywhere. There’s a cool down timer on the Soul Link, but it’s not very long. So I’m creating save points constantly as I’m going through the game, and especially right before a tricky platforming section. What makes this work so well is the instant respawns. When you die, it immediately starts you back off at the last Soul Link you made (which you just create by holding “A” wherever you want). I’ve run into tricky sections where I died five or six times but it didn’t feel frustrating at all because it immediately started me at the Soul Link I made right before the obstacles, without any loading times in between. So it’s kinda got that Trials Rising thing going on where if you mess up or die, you’re immediately thrown right back in to give it another go. And with generous save points working as checkpoints that you can create wherever you want as you go, and with generous save points working as check points that you can create wherever you want as you go, it makes the difficult platforming sections a fun challenge.

At least to me.

Might just be my rotting memory, but I feel Cuphead was given a fair bit more fanfare than Ori. And as Grumbles says, context of the release dates is very relevant. And Cuphead is just that bit more unique and attention-grabbing than Ori.

And yes, generally I think I mind my own business with judging the purchases of others, but FFS I IMPLORE ANYONE ON THE FENCE TO BUY WITCHER 3 FOR SWITCH. Anyone who values physical ownership of their games... it's going to be THE outstanding contribution made to Switch's physical library so far, ffs support it. Please.

I've put Astral Chain, Link's Awakening and DQXIS on hold to make The Witcher 3 - Complete Edition my number one priority this autumn.

@Suicune If Tropical Freeze was difficult for you, i wouldn't recommend this. It's easy in the early parts,but after you get to the midway point? The difficulty spikes up out of nowhere! Especially in the last sections, you're gonna die left and right.

Mount Horu will not be your friend, i learned that the hard way.

Top 10 isn’t necessarily that impressive, depending on the circumstances.

1 For a digital-only game, digital sales will be much higher than for a game that gets a physical release.
2 Many games make it to top 10, even with a physical release, yet don’t really see earth-shattering sales
3 Comparisons will do far more for us than a “did it make top 10”. Comparison to games such as Cuphead, which raced to #1 and stayed there several weeks, and even now, months after release, is still in the eShop best sellers list. Comparisons to games like Goose, which raced to #1 digital only game and is easily outpacing Ori.
4 The vast majority of games releasing on Switch released years ago on another platform, but that’s never stopped those games from selling well before, and that’s even more true when talking about a game that’s been exclusive to MS- it’s not like it was sold to the 100 million PS4 gamers as most multiplats are (which still do really well on Switch regardless)

For a game with the status and renown Ori has, and being that it was a Microsoft exclusive and it’s a really big deal coming to Switch, and the fact it’s digital only, I find merely breaking top 10 on eShop to not be impressive in the slightest. Especially with its momentum practically screeching to a halt when it hit the #8 spot, which it hasn’t budged from in the last 24-36 hrs.

There’s no two ways about it- the game is doing far, far worse than expected. And I think it comes down to influencers ignoring it more than anything. When social media isn’t talking about it, when Youtubers aren’t talking about it, when reddit isn’t talking about it, when fan sites aren’t talking about it (and most don’t even bother reviewing it)... many people assume it’s just not that good or not that big a deal. When everyone else is treating it like it’s not a big deal, people are going to assume it’s not.

@JaxonH It released in the same month with 2 Switch exclusives(with one of them being forgotten already) also with a whole bunch of other games. What do you want? What did you expect from this port? You wanted it to be number 1? Wasn't gonna happen with the Zelda remake and releasing it in a packed month.

It's in the top 10 (all games section and digital only), if it truly "underperformed",it wouldn't have been in the top 10. You're worrying over nothing. Games have flopped in every
major platform and guess what? They're still getting games.

@JaxonH
I don’t think Cuphead is really a fair comparison to make, Cuphead sold over 3 million (before it was ported to Switch) vs. (from what I can find from shaky sources like VGChartz) 1.7 million for Ori.

@MsJubilee
Didn’t say “flopped”. I said underperform. And I didn’t say it had to be number 1. I know that’s not gonna happen with Zelda. But it could at least do better than getting stuck on #8 with the Goose game grossly outperforming it.

So “what I want” is just for it to do better than it is. More in line with Cuphead. And no single game underperforming will stop a system from getting games. But one by one they do contribute, another brick in the wall, that can, combined, contribute to a system not getting certain types of games (hence why I mentioned Witcher 3 as well, to show that it’s not just a one off anomaly but several extremely well regarded games are tracking under what one would expect based off other Switch games).

So ya, I expected... more. As should everyone else. Microsoft has been extremely generous allowing these games to come over. A collective meh as a response doesn’t exactly instill confidence we’ll see the sequel on Switch at any point in the future.

@Toy_Link
A fair point, but that’s still nearly 60% as much. I don’t think we’re seeing Ori do 60% of the performance of Cuphead here, or anywhere near that.

It’s disappointing. And I hope, at the very least, word of mouth can provide some long term legs. I’d love to see Will of the Wisps on Switch down the line, after its had a chance to cash in on the X1/PC.

Release date plays a huge role for me.
September was too much at one time, some games had to be put on the wishlist for later as I can't buy that many games at one time, let alone have the time to play that many right away.
Had Ori been released back in one of those months with only a few releases, I probably would have bought and played it through by now. But now, with everything that came out in September it'll likely be a long time before I do get to buying it.

September was a crazy month- no question about that. So many games...

And October doesn’t seem to be letting up. I just hope, out of all these games, The Witcher 3 starts garnering more interest. Though Super Monkey Ball and Atelier Ryza are likely going to do better than previous entries, judging by the chatter and interest I’ve seen. So that’s good.

Sniper Elite III (10/1)
Yu-No (10/1)
Super Robot Wars V (10/3)
Ghostbusters (10/4)
The Alliance Alive (10/8)
Call of Cthulhu (10/8)
Trine 4 (10/8)
Trine Collection [1/2/3/4] (10/8)
Yooka-Laylee And the Impossible Lair (10/8)
Aeternoblade II (10/11)
Doraemon Story Of Seasons (10/11)
The Witcher 3 (10/15)
Overwatch (10/15)
Baldur’s Gate (10/15)
Baldur’s Gate 2 (10/15)
Planescape Torment (10/15)
Icewind Dale (10/15)
Little Town Hero (10/16)
Ring Fit Adventure (10/18)
A Hat In Time (10/18)
Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth: Complete Edition (10/18)
Destiny Connect (10/22)
Atelier Ryza (10/29)
Disgaea 4 Complete (10/29)
Vampyr (10/29)
Aladdin/Lion King Remaster (10/29)
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (10/29)
Resident Evil 5 (10/29)
Resident Evil 6 (10/29)
Resident Evil Triple Pack [4/5/6] (10/29)
WRC8 (10/31)
Luigi’s Mansion 3 (10/31)