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@Ralizah
You can build your Beautiful town on DQB2.
Even better than The Sims.
DQB2 has tons of different blocks for flooring / wallpaper, plants, furnitures, etc.
Also, you can make your "Harvest Moon" style game by add some crops and livestocks (chicken, cow, sheep).
Btw, have you checked any DQB2 gameplay videos from Youtube ?
Get some inspiration from these videos.

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Heavyarms55

@NEStalgia I live in Japan, but I have only lived here a few years. Before I came here I had no idea what kind of series Dragon Quest was. No one I knew ever talked about it - before I came here.

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@RedderRugfish Honestly I think the art style works against it in the west. In Japan that Akira Toriyama style is basically comparable to Disney in terms of recognition. Anyone here seeing it knows it, even if they never watched any of it. But in the west people still see anything that looks "anime" in, if not a negative light then at least a "niche light". Even here on Nintendo Life I often see that.

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NEStalgia

@StableInvadeel yeah that's the kind of thing i can't stand...a game that doesn't actually even tell you what's in the game, and the only way to find out is dumb luck or the internet. If i need to find out what is even in a game from the internet, the game is a complete failure... It's designed for social media virulence, not for players.

"Explore, find stuff" sucks. BotW didn't go that. It says "go do this one thing in a particular spot over in that direction" and from there you stumble into dozens of other things that also are fairly clear in purpose and objective.

I don't think I'll ever "get" MC. I had minor fun with coop.... But i really don't build much of anything.

But DQB i love to bits.

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NEStalgia

@Heavyarms55 personally i don't see DQ as anime style at all. More "cartoon" than anime. No different than most Nintendo brands. Persona, DxM, is anime. Fire emblem is anime, try it's don't great. Dq didn't really strike me as anime style.

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Eel

Huh. It's basically the single most recognizable anime/manga art style in the world, and every character has one of like four faces, so it's quite easy to notice.

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Ralizah

I detest Toriyama's artstyle (especially in Dragonball, where all the characters have low detail faces combined with creepily detailed and realistic ears). It's a pity it shows up in so many great games.

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Heavyarms55

@NEStalgia Akira Toriyama's style is very distinct and has largely remained so over the years - while anime has changed quite a bit. But Toriyama still has the anime connection, that inseparable visual similarity with Dragon Ball. Although with DQ it's not nearly as blatant as Chrono Trigger was. lol

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JaxonH

I hear so many people say “I hate the look of anime”, but they say it for games that totally don’t look anime to me. Maybe they are, but they’re not the style or look I envision when I think “anime”.

The anime style that bothers me is the uber-Japanese stuff like Naruto, or Hyperdimension Neptunia, or Kill la Kill. I can’t stand that look.

But games like Fire Emblem? That just looks like fantasy to me. Dragon Quest? That just looks like a cartoony JRPG to me. But I hear sooo many people trash Fire Emblem as being “weeb trash” and won’t even give it the time of day. These are the high horse “Mario and Zelda only” fans (Wolff Den, you ignorant clown), the ones too good and too cool to even consider the “weeb trash” you somehow enjoy. I just don’t understand how those games turn people off so much when they just look like normal video games to me. But even accepting that, it kills me when people like Wolff Den toss a game in the trash can and say “weeb trash” for anything that’s not Mario or Zelda. Like, if you actually looked into it you would discover that’s an incredible video game, and your close mindedness is robbing you of games far better than you could even imagine. But it’s the comdescending remarks that really make me lose respect for that guy. And... somehow this turned into a rant about Wolff Den.

@Ralizah
DQ Builders 2 is amazing. 2nd best game I’ve played this year, behind Fire Emblem of course.

Idk how to explain it. But it’s basically part Dragon Quest RPG, and that’s the most important part. It’s not structured like Minecraft, but a story driven RPG. But the non-combat gameplay centers around Minecraft building mechanics, but in a way better and cleaner art style. Yet the game has a lot in similar with Breath of the Wild. Hidden puzzles all over the world like little Shrines, but more like Korok seed puzzles. Sail cloth to glide off mountains, but no stamina bar. It feels very Zelda-esque. And a splice of Animal Crossing, with the small town farming and management sim stuff.

It’s a very odd, unique mixture, but it totally works. It really does work. I was surprised with how good that game was. I was GLUED to that game day and night leading up to Fire Emblem. I really think you should take a chance with it because I don’t think it demos well. A lot of the fun comes from the progress of slowly building up a town, making progress with new items (like sail cloth) and blueprints, new materials you encounter, new recipes, expansion... and the game is charming as heck. I don’t think I’ve played a game this charming in recent memory. It has charm in spades.

It looks great too. Like, as good as the PS4 version. Frame rate can slow sometimes, but I haven’t encountered anything as bad as those reports like single digits. I believe that was a worst case scenario when online in creation mode visiting another player? Idk. In the story driven game, it’s not like that. It’s not perfect but, it’s serviceable enough.

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From what I hear, the fps only die in the larger user-generated maps, with the single player main story being pretty stable.

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Heavyarms55

@JaxonH You say you don't like anime but then you like things like Fire Emblem and Dragon Quest. Hate to break it to you, you like anime. You just don't like all genres of anime. It's a medium, not a genre itself. Anime has everything from drama, comedy, cartoons, kid shows, porn, action, sci-fi, fantasy, you name a genre, I can almost certainly name an anime for it. And even if I can't, I'm sure it exists. Even for the visual style, there is a huge range of anime, you have things like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Kill la Kill. You have things like Hellsing Ultimate, Zeta Gundam, Fire Emblem, Knights of Sidonia, Dragon Ball, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan, and Sailor Moon. All of which have very different looks about them.

It's a common and relatively understandable misconception for people in the west to make - because in the west, almost everything animated is generally just cartoons and comedy.

Everyone has their own stance, I get that. But I get real defensive sometimes when people attack anime. I'd take anime over almost any western stuff and I grew up mocked for it. At the same time, I was never that "weeabo" type. Wearing Naruto headbands and spouting random, butchered Japanese all the time. I get as annoyed by those people as many of the "I hate anime" crowd do.

tl;dr - sorry, I get defensive, and there is nothing to do at work right now. Me like anime, me talk about anime.

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JaxonH

@Heavyarms55
Well, I don’t actually like anime, I just don’t mind the art style of games like Fire Emblem and Dragon Quest because they don’t visually register as super Japanese. They just look normal to me, like Zelda BotW or any other normal cel shaded game. And they don’t talk in Japanese and go hiiiiiiiiiiiyaaaaa so there’s that

But I’m not “attacking” it, I’m simply stating I dont enjoy it (which, I really don’t). I can’t stand super Japanese style anime. As I mentioned before, I am well aware those games technically fall in that category, but they just look like normal cartoon animations to me so I don’t have a problem with it. I like those games because they’re just good games, and for no other reason. Not because I like anime. I just may happen to like a few games that technically fall in the anime category, mostly because they don’t look anime to me, or talk in eccentric Japanese voices. Kinda like how I’m not an FPS fan, but I still like DOOM and Wolfenstein. I like them not because I’m a fan of the FPS genre, I like them because they’re just really fun games, and they coincidentally happen to fall in the FPS category despite me not liking the vast majority of FPS games. There are games I love that fall in the anime category, technically speaking, but the reason I love them is because they’re good games, and the fact they don’t jump out with a super “anime” look and feel, or what most perceive that to be, is why being anime doesn’t detract from the experience.

So ya, I don’t have anything against it. It’s just not my style. If anything, I was defending such games from people who automatically write off ANY game that’s even REMOTELY anime, even just slightly visually, off as “weeb trash” without even taking a second glance. Even someone like me who despises the look of games like Kill la Kill, I still looked into the game before forming any final conclusions.

And that’s typically what people are referring to when they say they don’t like the anime style. It’s not that they are secretly prejudice against any and all anime, they just don’t enjoy that “particular” flavor of art style and uber-Japanese voicework. So as long as the art style doesn’t look hyper-Japanese, it blends in with other normal art styles, to me anyways. As long as that’s the case I won’t dislike it, and it won’t prove to be an obstacle preventing me from liking the game.

All that said, I did like the Tales of Vesperia movie. So there are a few anime things I like.

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Heavyarms55

@JaxonH [edit] I deleted my original comment. Sorry, I've got other things that soured my mood and you didn't do that.

I'm upset because of something totally unrelated and I took it out on you. You don't deserve that.

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Therad

NEStalgia wrote:

@Ralizah I never really got survival mode in MC either. It just seems aimless. I need structure in a game...a goal I'm supposed to achieve beyond "do whatever....survive." DQB fixes that. BotW fixes that....they start you out with some McGuffins to deal with, things to find, places to go...it sets purpose where MC doesn't. Inventory management is a mess. That said I've only played the console versions not the PC version. Maybe it's better with a mouse. But it's still stone-ugly to look at on a level that is painful....it's the Quake 1 aesthetic. But even that was fixed back in the late 90's....

In a way you're not wrong about DQB, it is slow. The controls (in 1) weren't great. It is a building game/JRPG hybrid. You do have design freedom (and a creative mode) like MC, but with actual purpose and meaningful locations/mines/etc located. You can build whatever you want and mine resources wherever. But it also has NPCs, objectives, missions, deliberately placed resources, treasures, etc. Maybe an MC fan can't like DQB and vice versa?

I don't recall the demo but I don't recall thinking it didn't represent the game, though it of course doesn't include anything beyond your first flag upgrade, and was the smallest of the 4 maps....

Those kinds of games requires you to set your own goals or try for achievements, otherwise they might start becoming slogs. The kids watch on some tubers playing mods of Minecraft and get vastly different experiences. As one example, lucky islands is more like an arena brawler with some build elements.

How about something like don't starve or civ ? Do you like those?

One thing though, they are time consumers. I am currently hooked by a factory building game, and man does it steal time.

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Grumblevolcano

Cadence of Hyrule now has a demo.

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StableInvadeel wrote:

From what I hear, the fps only die in the larger user-generated maps, with the single player main story being pretty stable.

Phew.... 😅
So i can build my kingdom on DQB2 without suffering in lower than 20 fps.

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Ralizah

I guess NA doesn't get the Cadence of Hyrule demo.

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