My biggest problem is that they delayed the online for a year... and only had cloud saves to show for it.
It's not the end of the world (unlike what people may try to tell you), but it's still underwhelming, you know? The "giving them more time" thing already passed them. They've had plenty of time to rethink their online imo.
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Well I mean its not as if the extra features are required for an online service to go paid sub. They are just trying to mitigate server costs. Anything else is gravy for the customer.
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@EvilLucario Well, not that I think it's worthwhile, but from what we can gather, the original plan didn't have online features in the NES titles, so that is something else that was done during the delay.
@GrailUK Vs Microsoft the makers of Windows, the "cloud first company" sure. Compared to Sony the makers of more disastrous DRM rollouts for music, video, books, and the yo-yo PSN store, Nintendo's probably par.
@EvilLucario Yeah, I think "we need another year and a half....to give you exactly what we already said we'd give you...which isn't all that much....and really couldn't have needed a year and a half of saying "we'll tell you about it later" to come up with only what they told us on day 1. (And still not actually enhancing any limited features like handling of digital purchases.) I still think the delays were largely about it being DeNA/outsourced with the app and such and it was never working right. "We'll tell you more later" implies there's something desirable they're waiting to tell you about.
@Ryu_Niiyama I feel like Jeckyl and Hyde, as in one thread I defend it and in the next bash it, but "just mitigating costs" my rear. Microsoft started it but hosts dedicated servers for most 1st party games. Sony just copied it as a revenue stream without the actual servers (and raised prices to cover the game giveaways and sales) and has mostly admitted how profitable it is. Matchmaking servers could run on 486's and are more than covered in the cost of a $60 game, while games like Diablo3 are running on dedicated servers, with dedicated server-side profiles (cloud saves!) that don't get a dime of the subscription money (unless Activision required it), while Steam charges less for games, runs matchmaking, charges no sub, and still is very profitable. Microsoft gets to use that reasoning because it's actually true for them (though they don't charge on Windows for the very same dedicated server access.) Sony and Nintendo don't get that excuse. You already paid for it as part of the total cost of the game. "Maximizing profits" isn't the same as cost mitigation.
Cloud saves is costing them more than the matchmaking servers, so I can accept charging for that, that's fair, but then it's not an "extra feature" that's the core value. The cloud storage is a legit space rental and they can legit charge for that outside the costs of the games. Same with the VC library. That's fair. Even if online weren't gated I'd buy for that. But then the "extra features" are the only important aspects.
@Grumblevolcano "Nintendo Switch Online at the moment is the service equivalent of Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival "
ROFL, I was seriously tempted to make this my sig.... You won the internet.
@subpopz Yeah, I definitely believe it's an intro price (the renew page talks about "at the current price", so yeah, the price will go up, the games will increase.) But Switch is 1.5 years old. Console cycles are 6 years at the outside, and mobile tech ages fast. Most of Switch's life cycle has NSO painted as a test.
I suspect a decent portion of the funds will be going towards improving the NSO service over time and securing the rights needed to release more 3rd party NES and SNES games for the NES service. Not all of it, obviously. But a decent portion of it.
I'd recommend not downloading it until the eshop maintenance is finished. Otherwise you can't play online because no subscription and you can't get the subscription either because the eshop is down.
Okay, system update and controller update installed. I already did the matches in Splatoon 2 I wanted to do. Now I just have to wait for the eshop maintenance to finish so I can play me some NES games.
Looks like 6.0 added account sharing similar to PS4. You have a primary console but can log in on another Switch and play your games there. So unless I'm reading it incorrectly you can share your digital games with a friend, which is great!
I literally just got told I needed therapy and would "never be happy" by this guy DarkUnderdog, because I politely took issue with not all games having back ups and 99% of games not having voice chat and there being no messaging.
"It's only $1.70/mo" and "well just don't buy it then" and all that illogical nonsense. Like DUDE, I have no other choice unless I want to risk my saves and completely give up playing online all together, which would kind of defeats the purpose of even having the console since playing Monster Hunter online with my brother is a daily thing.
How do you not comprehend that I can reluctantly and be grudgingly buy something because I feel coerced into needing it, while simultaneously voicing dissatisfaction as a consumer?
Ugh. And this is coming from a guy I've been in a group chat with for years. I can't believe how blindly defensive people get to the point you can't even politely voice dissatisfaction without somebody taking it incredibly personally. Like back off dude. The money is not the point of contention. $1.70 a month is not the point of contention. It's the incomplete feature set that is the point of contention. Cloud saves but not all games. Voice chat but only for a select few games, and no messaging. Free rental games but only NES, and only if you check in online once a week. Apps like Hulu but nothing else. Same old story.
And I'm sorry, I'm just venting here, because I'm really not that upset about the online service. I'm actually relieved to have cloud save back ups for the vast majority of my games, and while the lack of voice chat is an aggravation, the fact is I just call my brother on speaker phone so it's not really an issue. It's more the principle of the matter.
But it just kills me that somebody would go to such extremes to attack me and defend the service, like I'm the equivalent as somebody rabidly attacking the company for no reason. I hardly ever voice complaints, and when I do it's for good reason. Dude is a complete fanatic.
Anyways, I really like the set up of the NES app. I wish it was compatible with the pro controller but it's fine. I'm actually thinking about ordering those NES controllers. I didn't want them before but I find myself kind of wanting to use one now.
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You can now also deactivate the primary console through their website! There's a catch though (because of course there is): you can only deactivate through the website once a year.
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Yeah I like the app. Doesn't appear to be any immediately noticeable input lag, and no weird dark filter (I'm looking at you, Wii U VC). Oh, and you know the first game I jumped into was Super Mario Bros!
Edit: the NES games do have video capture support.
Yeah I like the app. Doesn't appear to be any immediately noticeable input lag, and no weird dark filter (I'm looking at you, Wii U VC). Oh, and you know the first game I jumped into was Super Mario Bros!
Edit: the NES games do have video capture support.
That was the first game I jumped into too. And I suddenly remembered just how floaty the controls were. I'm way out of practice. I use to at least be able to reach world 1-4, even if I don't think I ever beat it.
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