@UmniKnight While BoTW could be framey at times, the fact that it was built for the Wii U had a lot to do with that, not to mention the limited amount of time they had to make a Switch version.
I have no doubt that if BoTW was made for the Switch right from the start, it would have a consistent 30 FPS, or at least really close. Besides, just look at Mario Odyssey. The game is large, gorgeous, and runs almost constantly at 60 FPS. It might even end up being a rock solid 60 FPS by the time it's released.
And I don't know what you mean by the Switch not accommodating your playstyle. It works exactly like a console if you want to play that way, and it's more powerful than any of their previous consoles.
@KirbyTheVampire Rabbids is so far the best example, as it's the first ground-up original game so far I'm aware. (That isn't technically a port, or can be seen as an expansion *Splatoon 2 and such). I don't know what's wrong with that game, but those freezes are not doing it any favours. So far I've yet to play a game on the Switch that ran without any issues, save for MK8D, but then I've not played that long enough to really know.
@Grumblevolcano I know, Nintendo hasn't played the power game since they've screwed up their chances and gave Sony/MS the permanent lead on them with the Gamecube and it's mini-disks.
I'd simply like to see that traditional way of playing sticking around, not disappear into thin air since that's how I've enjoyed my Nintendo games the most. A handheld doesn't accommodate for that.
Did you ever consider the possibility that the Switch is the console Nintendo always wanted to make? That those so-called "traditional" home and portable console categories only existed because the technology wasn't there yet. Take Nintendo out of your rigid 90s definition of what you think they are for just a second. In terms of tech what has Nintendo has gained a reputation for over the years?
1. They have always been super reluctant to use optical media
They famously went for cartridges on the N64 because they didn't like the idea of discs. A similar thing happened again with the DS vs PSP but this time it was Sony jumping the gun. And even with the Gamecube they made a point of using smaller disks just so it could be a little bit more portable
2. They have a history of not caring at all about horsepower
Ok, fanboys like to relive the days of the pre-Wii Nintendo home console. But since the Wii Nintendo hasn't really cared about pushing horsepower. And in their portable line they have always been more than happy to be well behind the curve for the sake of battery life.
3. They have a history of trying to merge their two platform tiers
The Wii U is obvious and the Switch is just an evolution of that idea. But even on the N64 they were pushing the idea of linking a portable release to a home console release. Pokemon Stadium being the obvious one. But even on the Gamecube they spend a huge amount of E3 2003 on the idea despite it being super impractical
Think of Nintendo as the Apple of gaming. I have a console and a handheld/phone. Who wants a console that's also a portable when it's going to be less powerful?
@Hieronymus-E You don't have even close to a clue as to who I am if you think that. I play my 3DS because that's the cage that keeps it's games hostage, not because I love seeing the horribly outdated piece of tech croak under playing the games that are on it.
@skywake I'm not seeing what kind of response you want from me here.
Your claim was that the Switch is Nintendo somehow abandoning their home console heritage. My point is that the Switch is everything Nintendo has always been working towards despite people like you saying they were wrong. The Switch is the most Nintendo console Nintendo has ever made.
Frankly I want to you concede that you were wrong and take note of the points people are making. But this is the internet. I expect you to ignore everything, pretend that we are not making sense and continue on with your argument as if you were the only one talking.
@skywake I'll refer you to ProJared, at the point when he said that "The Switch is the least "Nintendo console" that Nintendo has made to date" and you can argue with him from there.
@JaxonH One last thing, I've accepted the Switch for what it was, thinking the dock is integral to the system as a whole, but as Rjejr pointed out ""Fact remains that it can't be called a Switch,"
um yeah, sure it can. Have you watched any of the Japanese Switch commercials? They almost never show the Switch in the dock, it switches between 1 player in handheld mode and 2 or 4 player in tabletop mode. Ever notice how the Switch "click" sound is putting the joycon on and off? I'ts not about switching the tablet in and out of the dock, it's about switching between a 1 player and a 2 player mini-monitor w/ 2 controllers. It's the controllers that switch on and off, from 1 player to 2, it has nothing to do with the TV.
They probably just refer to the dock in Japan as the charging cradle."
This argument is pointless. What kind of gaming system a person likes is entirely subjective. Some people want a powerhouse, while others love the hybrid concept. Who cares? The Switch is what it is, so take it or leave it.
You know what, we actually have more evidence for a Nintendo Direct week than the LA Noire leaker. The EGX 2017 lineup, don't you think it's a bit suspicious that Xenoblade 2 isn't there?
Seriously, here's the list for Nintendo's Switch games at EGX this year (21st-24th September):
MK8 Deluxe (tournament)
ARMS (tournament)
Splatoon 2 (tournament and free play)
Mario + Rabbids
Pokken DX (tournament)
Fire Emblem Warriors
Super Mario Odyssey
So pretty much every major Switch 2017 game except BotW (reasonable given it's a single player game that's over 6 months old) and Xenoblade 2 (a new game which supposedly coming out this year).
So, I think either the Direct will announce a Xenoblade 2 delay or it'll announce new Switch stuff and that stuff along with Xenoblade 2 will be added to the EGX lineup (Nintendo likes to make late EGX reveals).
@KirbyTheVampire I'd have never bothered with this argument, if it weren't for the Switch having such beloved IP. The only reason I argue this, is because I fear the system will truly end up handheld only one day, and that would put an end to enjoyable moments with a good pro-controller.
@UmniKnight
No, that was hogwash when rjejr said it and it's still hogwash now.
The Switch "click" from the commercials all happens when the system pushes into the dock. Not from the joycons. The Joycons make the sound as you take them off to use as a home console, OR in tabletop as a Portable console. But rjejr just pulled that nonsense out of thin air.
But regardless, that's marketing. Spin. The bare naked truth is you cannot label this system and tuck it nicely away into a category. What rjejr said that wasn't hogwash, was that it's a tribrid. Home console, handheld and portable console.
And that's what matters. Not their commercials, not the sound the joycon make, not what rjejr says... what matters is what it is and what it does. And it functions every bit as much as a home console as a handheld. Everybody wants to apply a single label to it to help push their argument. But you can't. It's a home console, handheld and portable console all in one... a tribrid. That's what it is. That's what it does. And all the spin in the world won't change that.
@skywake I'll refer you to ProJared, at the point when he said that "The Switch is the least Nintendo console has made to date" and you can argue with him from there.
I was trying to find this quote in context but I can't. Also when I looked him up and found his video review he spent the entire time praising the portable nature of the system. I'm not convinced you and him are on the same page. Frankly the only the times I have heard that sort of phrase used in regards to the Switch was when talking about how impressive the spec/finish is for a portable. Basically the reverse of your criticism.
In any case I don't care what someone else thinks. I'm on a forum arguing against your points not theirs. Think for yourself. What about the Switch's concept and portable nature goes against what Nintendo has always done? The Switch is a console that sacrifices specs for design, portability and a concept. It blurs the line between portable gaming and home console gaming. And it does so despite some sections of the community begging them to just be like everyone else.
@UmniKnight I do expect a Skyrim release date if this Direct next week is real. Xenoblade 2 is just a more likely reason for this Direct to exist given I'd imagine Bethesda has control over Skyrim Switch announcements.
@JaxonH I'll be 100% frank with you, I usually just tend to play my games and not care either way, but I get in over my head in discussions. I just don't want the enjoyable moments that involve a good pro-controller and a nice TV to be a thing of the past, because the Switch sells on account of it's handheld hype. I sit at home most of my days, due to my complex situation, and a good game is the only solace I have. I've stopped playing my 3DS entirely, because of the cramped controls, and the weakness of the system began to show in more recent games (I do love me some frame-drops in Pokemon SOS battles, or some frame-plunges when a horde of Koffing show up in the previous).
When push comes to shove, what matters is whether the games you play are fun, but how things control is a big part of that. I've got nail-marks into that extra right-semi stick thingy on my new 3DS XL, trying to get the camera to move in MH Generations, which is why I hunger for an experience that involves a nice controller. The reason why hardware would matter, is because it can make frame-drops a thing of the past when utilized correctly. Those freezes in Mario + Rabbids, albeit they didn't stop me, very much were there, and I think I've had about 15-20 if not far more during my 100% playthrough of the game. Would that have been resolved with stronger hardware?
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