Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@KirbyTheVampire I'd have never bothered with this argument, if it weren't for the Switch having such beloved IP. The only reason I argue this, is because I fear the system will truly end up handheld only one day, and that would put an end to enjoyable moments with a good pro-controller.

But very well, let's put it to rest here.

@Grumblevolcano We still don't have a Skyrim release date, which could arguably be in such a direct.

@UmniKnight
No, that was hogwash when rjejr said it and it's still hogwash now.

The Switch "click" from the commercials all happens when the system pushes into the dock. Not from the joycons. The Joycons make the sound as you take them off to use as a home console, OR in tabletop as a Portable console. But rjejr just pulled that nonsense out of thin air.

But regardless, that's marketing. Spin. The bare naked truth is you cannot label this system and tuck it nicely away into a category. What rjejr said that wasn't hogwash, was that it's a tribrid. Home console, handheld and portable console.

And that's what matters. Not their commercials, not the sound the joycon make, not what rjejr says... what matters is what it is and what it does. And it functions every bit as much as a home console as a handheld. Everybody wants to apply a single label to it to help push their argument. But you can't. It's a home console, handheld and portable console all in one... a tribrid. That's what it is. That's what it does. And all the spin in the world won't change that.

Freaking auto spell!

I was trying to find this quote in context but I can't. Also when I looked him up and found his video review he spent the entire time praising the portable nature of the system. I'm not convinced you and him are on the same page. Frankly the only the times I have heard that sort of phrase used in regards to the Switch was when talking about how impressive the spec/finish is for a portable. Basically the reverse of your criticism.

In any case I don't care what someone else thinks. I'm on a forum arguing against your points not theirs. Think for yourself. What about the Switch's concept and portable nature goes against what Nintendo has always done? The Switch is a console that sacrifices specs for design, portability and a concept. It blurs the line between portable gaming and home console gaming. And it does so despite some sections of the community begging them to just be like everyone else.

The Switch concept is textbook Nintendo.

Folks, this is internet argument speak for "I was wrong"

Lichtspeer devs: Nintendo working on Switch achievement system

http://www.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1430999

@UmniKnight I do expect a Skyrim release date if this Direct next week is real. Xenoblade 2 is just a more likely reason for this Direct to exist given I'd imagine Bethesda has control over Skyrim Switch announcements.

@JaxonH I'll be 100% frank with you, I usually just tend to play my games and not care either way, but I get in over my head in discussions. I just don't want the enjoyable moments that involve a good pro-controller and a nice TV to be a thing of the past, because the Switch sells on account of it's handheld hype. I sit at home most of my days, due to my complex situation, and a good game is the only solace I have. I've stopped playing my 3DS entirely, because of the cramped controls, and the weakness of the system began to show in more recent games (I do love me some frame-drops in Pokemon SOS battles, or some frame-plunges when a horde of Koffing show up in the previous).

When push comes to shove, what matters is whether the games you play are fun, but how things control is a big part of that. I've got nail-marks into that extra right-semi stick thingy on my new 3DS XL, trying to get the camera to move in MH Generations, which is why I hunger for an experience that involves a nice controller. The reason why hardware would matter, is because it can make frame-drops a thing of the past when utilized correctly. Those freezes in Mario + Rabbids, albeit they didn't stop me, very much were there, and I think I've had about 15-20 if not far more during my 100% playthrough of the game. Would that have been resolved with stronger hardware?

@skywake That is internet argument speak for "I know when to quit". I also don't like a under-the-belt that way, prefer you don't next time, eh?

@UmniKnight
Same thing

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@skywake If that's what makes you happy, you can keep it. It's far too damn late for such shenanigans.

That felt as a jab to me in a way of "giving up" on the conversation, for the record.

As I said earlier, I don't think anyone was at any point arguing with you. You can't argue with someone who refuses to even acknowledge other people in the thread. But in any case the point remains. The Switch concept is very much part of Nintendo's roadmap and has been for decades. I genuinely think that they were being telling the truth when they mentioned this in the Switch reveal presentation.

Whine about portables all you want, Nintendo has never wanted two platforms. The tethered to the wall version of the home console was always going to be the loser in that battle. The only thing I'm surprised about is that they managed to pull it off as early as they did.

@skywake So you're saying to accept the inevitable transition to handheld? Gotcha, going to bed now, far too late for this crap.

@UmniKnight

Two things.

1 Switch is selling on account of it's handheld + console functionality. Not handheld. Not console. But handheld + console. That will never go away.

2 Performance issues will never go away. It's why PS4 and X1 games still experience the same thing. Not to mention, if it had more power it couldn't still be a hybrid, which means it likely wouldn't be popular which means devs wouldn't even be bringing their games in the first place.

For the benefit of the thread discussion more than for you, to be blunt? Yes. And not just from Nintendo but across the board. There's only so much you can push horsepower before people won't care anymore. Eventually you have to go smaller rather than more powerful. They're all going to head down this road.

Nintendo have definitely put their neck out a bit buy being the first. They're doing that because this is what they've always wanted their console to be. They're doing it despite everyone saying they're wrong because that's what Nintendo has always done. But in ten years when a future version of Tegra can easily drive a 4K display without skipping a beat? I highly doubt Nintendo will be alone. Because at that point there's little reason for the hardware not to be portable.

Optical media will die and at the same time traditional home consoles will suffer the same fate. This is what the future of console gaming will be. So yes, accept the inevitable transition to consoles that aren't tied to your TV. And accept that as the tech improves the negatives of that transition are going to disappear into nothing.

To back my "this is where everything is going" point....

Obviously a full machine will always be able to do more. But when you can make it small and good enough why not make it portable? edit: Let me rephrase that. The spec possible on a non-portable machine will always be greater. But if you can get the desired spec on a portable machine you're not losing anything by going portable. /edit

As the spec possible on such a device continues to improve more stuff will be able to go down that road. I don't see how this is a crazy concept that people are struggling to get their heads around.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE can't wait to see how left field and not even close to what people want and would expect their system is going to be.

@Samus7Killer Heya Mr Killer. I get the app is a tad cumbersome, but why wouldn't the game work? (This is an honest question not a juvenile retort.)

I am sorry, but this is so paranoid it isn't funny. No one can take the dock and pro controller from you. Your current setup wouldn't change a bit
even if they would make an sku without the dock.

Think for a second, what is the worst thing that could happen?

That the next iteration of hardware would be handheld only? Wouldn't change the current hw at all.

That most games would suddenly shun buttons and sticks and only use the touchscreen? Didn't happen with the ds/3ds, doubt it happens now.

That we suddenly get an influx of android/iOS games that only works in handheld mode? Don't buy them. No one is forcing you. Besides this is just more games on the system, which is a good thing. The switch is also less portable than those devices. For example, Pokémon go is impossible to have on the switch since it lacks SIM slot and GPS.

But if you are still not confident in the future of the switch, vote with your wallet. Sell it and be done with it. It is better to do it now, before it becomes readily available in stock. I think that people in general should be more selective when they buy things. I don't buy the "support the company" argument, they should make a product I want. This is even more true when it comes to bigger companies.

Ps. And of course the Japanese commercials focus on the handheld part, handhelds have done better there historically.