Topic: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

@Ryu_Niiyama No seriously, why do the Rito and the Zora have to breed? The Rito are descendants from the Zora.

@Ryu_Niiyama Hmm, interesting idea, it could be true...but then...does that mean that Skyloft was still around during OoT since the Rito weren't around yet?

"Hi Fyrson, by the way, fun fact, did you know my ancient ancestor rode your ancient ancestor as an unintelligent beast of burden? It's true! Anyhoo, I'll take the 5 pack of fire arrows."

@meleebrawler Didn't you hear at the last minute "Master, I am unable to do that! From this angle I predict a 87.4% probability that you will murder this individual." I did. But you can always use the broad end of the sword for a KO. But still, other Yiga leave and given the alternative of looking over your shoulder for a Blademaster with a hit contract or having to listen to Fi state stats at you, wouldn't you pick the former?

It's already been set up in one of the Oracle games that there are two lots of Zora (which was done to explain why they went from baddies in the early games to friendly folk) so I can easily see the sea Zora staying as Zora and river Zora becoming Rito or vice versa.

I'm sorry to say your theory is impossible since Ganondorf used Triforce in OoT to become Ganon, as every Zelda official storyline says, so he couldn't become it before OoT

@Octane Oh gotcha, I'm assuming you missed NEStalgia talking about the strangeness of having Rito and Zora within the same game. I was offering a theory as to why they could still exist within the same game but still be the progenitor races for the Wind Waker Rito. After all they don't look like either the Zora or the Rito (or the watarara which inspired them in the first place but the BotW Rito DO look like) .

@NEStalgia ...never lived in the southern US before have you? I have literally had someone tell me that their grandfather likely owned mine (lol not true on my paternal side actually) and was totally serious and felt that was a normal conversation piece. All because of my mother's maiden name....so yeah I'll take those arrows.

Well OoT isn't the first game and we don't know how much time passed between SS (the first) and OoT (as far as we know so far the second game). And even within SS we had civilizations rise and fall with the first sealing of demise. Including some really advanced likely Sheikah tech (the robot race). So I would say that it is somewhat plausible that the loftwings could at some point settled somewhere away from their Skyloftian masters (as they wandered the world and became the Gerudo and Hylians ....I'm guessing) and over time (or by Hylia's blessing for all we know ) turned into to bipedal beings. Hebra is really out of the way and it is frozen tundra I could imagine that would allow them to be isolated long enough to carve out their own culture. How we get to bird/fish hatchling making...um well that part I will leave for others to speculate.

As for the other games I think it is possible to not know every race and culture in on a planet (we still don't know half of what is within our oceans) so I think it is totally possible to go through OoT and the other games and not have to have every race make an appearance each time to prove they aren't extinct. Ganon seems to flatten Hyrule every so often and likely takes records and tech out first (he tends to occupy and RUIN Hyrule castle first so I could imagine that a great deal of records are lost each time). So Hyrule could go through a dark age or rebuilding period and a race could fade into obscurity but still exist. Same with tech. Could have been buried/abandoned/forgotten which of course leaves the series open to bring it back randomly. We don't know how OLD hyrule truly is or how may Cycles it has endured.

Should I feel bad that my burning question is why do the Gerudo have pointed ears? I thought they were not worshipers of the Goddesses and thus had rounded ears that could not hear their whispers? In the LttP manual Hylians could hear Hylia because of their ears.

@Ryu_Niiyama I think that's just a difference in art style. The appearance of the Zora has been all over the place too, same for some of the enemies.

@Octane So, we are metagame theorizing. The easy answer to all of this is it is a video game series and changes direction over time. However since Zelda is presented as a series of legends that are loosely chronologically tied (although perhaps distorted as they are re-tellings) it is fun to figure out how the pieces fit instead of Aonuma just going "F it, I want Rito in this game" and leaving it at that.

I know I get really detailed with my speculation in this thread, but I don't actually believe any of it. Narratives change. I've been working on a fanfic since the age of 13 and it is significantly different now than I'd even imagined then (and im still not done...). And that is just one person working on a work with no deadline. Who knows how many times tea tables have been upended or some young person sneaked something in and it stuck throughout Zelda's history?

@DarthNocturnal Your words to KT's ears. I just wanna be Urbosa. ...Now I wanna play HW. Still kinda bummed that Impa didn't get to show off being a badarse kunoichi this time around. Obviously she was, but by the time Link got to her, the legacy had been passed on to...Paya...The Sheikah are doomed.

You've also got the Champions' successors and Master Khoga. Keep in mind Hyrule Warriors set the bar low by having Agitha as one of the fighters and not even as DLC.

Hestu will be playable from the start. Shakalaka!

@NEStalgia It's already implied that Link couldn't hear Fi when Zelda passive-aggressively asks him about it. And it makes sense, too: there's no evil around currently, so why would the sword need to light and/or speak up? Same deal with Zelda's goddess powers, everyone tries to get it to intentionally trigger, but no, it'll only happen when it's REALLY needed. Also, you might be able to get a KO the way you described, but certainly not in one hit, while disarming the Yiga the way he did at the same time.

I blame too much Bleach when I was younger but I would love a deeper exploration of the whole Fi/Link relationship (with out her being the Navi replacement) in future games. Has she become fully self aware? Can they pull a Souls (As in Soul Calibur) series and corrupt her?

Edit: I seem to have misplaced my English. Pardon me.

Well the lost woods turns people into skull kids and stalfos so I would think spending all that time napping there would do something to her. But seriously Fi has stabbed Ganon in the face a few times now...at some point he has got to get a clue and take over the sword. Instead of worrying about the kid holding it.

Maybe the Deku Tree sprout bore fruit that when consumed by the Kokiri, sprouted inside them and absorbed their souls; rebirthing them as plant spirits.

And then maybe the Longwings descended like vultures upon the lifeless cadavers of the former Kokiri, but in consuming them absorbed some of their remaining Kokiri Magic and took on bipedal form themselves; becoming the Rito.

And maybe the destruction of Hyrule was caused by the hero's tragic and unsightly death after he became overly intimate with his sword, due to falling in love with the spirit inside of it. Like a sort of passionate but largely accidental harakiri.

Is that all weird and disturbing enough to qualify as a proper fan theory?

Which weapons do you prefer for MAX DMG? The Royal Guard or Savage Lynel? I think the Lynel has a slight edge on power, especially the bows because the x3 and x5 factor but the Royal Guards are so much more pleasing to the eye. By the way i think the Ancient Gear(at least 2 stars) in combination with a 3 star attack up food +an Ancient Bladesaw will out damage all.

Agitha was a great choice though. If anything, Hyrule Warriors set the bar low by featuring a fanfiction art style and characters and creating unfaithful art assets for the different stages and fighters like 'Ganondorf' and 'Spectral Wolf Link Midna' instead of looking for more deep cuts.

@Ryu_Niiyama LOL, how did I somehow guess you were from (or at least spent formative years in) the south? Somehow your personality gives it away (that's a compliment btw )

Anyway, I discovered something exploring the zora tablets and one of the managed to actually pin a timeline on some things, which surprised me, but also made our conversation that much more confusing. It specifically talks about Sage Princess Ruto, and says that it was long, long ago, long before the Great Calamity or the construction of vah Ruta (and also that vah Ruta IS named for Ruto). So that means the Cybersheikah of 10,000+ years ago was long, long AFTER Ocarina, as in-game canon, meaning it was NOT the same tech as SS robots. That also means that if WW happened as a result of the flood caused by Link being in Termina after doing OoT, the tech came AFTER WW (even though Aonuma says this is before), meaning we're well over 10,000 years after WW plus the rise of the tech world. meaning the Rito from WW ARE these Rito (so then how did the Zora return as though they never left? I see a first person shooter spinoff prequel on the hoizon: "Rutella: Final Soldier" ), and that does explain how Lake Mekar is a thing. We don't know how the flood was drained, nor why Aonuma seems to have been unaware of this

So with this timeline it makes sense the Rito exist, it makes no sense the Zora exist at all let alone in a thriving ancient city, and it makes no sense that the whole game isn't taking place in a fish bowl. Then again original Zelda is the "last" in the timeline and Hyrule was not flooded, so there's a drainplug event we have not heard about.

@ReeLongbow Max dmg for how long? Royal Guard disintegrates the moment it touches anything, savage lynel takes some abuse.

@Maxz Finally SOMEONE else sees the Fi x Link unrequited love story. Take THAT, Ryu!

I beat ganon can i get back in the game to do all the sidequests? i reloaded the save because there was a star what now?

@HelloimTjorven now just play.

Go out and do side quests. There's nothing stopping you.

You can always go back in and beat ganon all the times you want.