Topic: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

I love Chibi-Robo and he always gets my vote.

There are some (famous) Nintendo characters from very talented studios not being represented yet by a single fighter.

Chibi-Robo is Skip's mascot. There are 6 different Chibi-Robo releases, the first four games being triple AAA imo, and the latest one including an amiibo. Skip also made a range of ingenious and very innovative and fun games: Giftpia (Gamecube), Captain Rainbow (Wii), Art Style (6 WiiWare games), Snowpack Park (WiiWare), Bit Generations (GBA), etc.

Saki Amamiya is Treasure's mascot (Sin and Punishment 1 & 2 for N64 and Wii / Nintendo Railshooter rep). They are known for being masters of bullet hell. They also made Ikaruga (Gamecube/Switch), Mischief Makers (N64), Bangaio (N64), Gunstar Heroes (Wii VC), Alien Soldier (Wii VC), Dynamite Headdy (Wii VC), Light Crusader (Wii VC), etc.

Golden Sun Isaac and Waluigi are Camelot's mascots. There are 3 Golden Sun games, and they also made all the Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games since 1999.

Kyle Hyde is CING's mascot (Detective/mystery game rep). They make great atmospheric point & click adventures like Another Code/Trace Memory (DS), Another Code R (Wii), Hotel Dusk 1 & 2 (DS).

Doshin is Param's mascot (Godsim/64DD rep) A weird one who can terraform stages.

There are three cult 3rd parties also very overlooked:

• Wonder Boy is Westone's mascot. He is the ''father'' of games like Adventure Island and Shantae.
• Bubble Bobble and Space Invaders are Taito's mascots. Those are true icons if I ever saw one.
• The farmer Pete is Harvest Moon's mascot. Farming game / Natsume rep. From 1996 on SNES onwards, it turned into a huge genre nowadays, inspiring games such as Stardew Valley and many others.

And if I can have an Activision Blizzard rep, it wouldn't be Crash or Spyro.
I see Pitfall Harry as an icon for Activision and a Warcraft Ork as an icon of Blizzard.

PS. What is Sakurai's opinion about Dark Souls? FROM SOFTWARE has no rep either.

I'd never imagine Chibi Robo would be called an AAA series.

I think you're throwing around the word mascot too liberally. For example Doshin The Giant was a meh game from a now defunct company that made very few games.

@Snatcher Chibi-Robo will never happen, because Skip Ltd died. They no longer exist, and Chibi-Robo will never get another game or even port ever again outside of an emulated release a la VC/NSO.

@SKTTR Sane I said above goes for Kyle Hyde and Cing.

Chibi Robo is FAR from a AAA series. Outside the first game I don't think any of the future titles actually sold that well and now there are strong indications that Skip is actually about to shut down and cease their operations. He is the very opposite of AAA in fact. He ain't even on Fire Emblem or Xenoblade's level let alone Mario, Zelda, Pokemon or Animal Crossing

@TheFrenchiestFry To be fair, Chibi-Robo's poor sales more had to do with a terrible series of marketing decisions than anything about the game's quality. After all, AAA is about the budget of the game, not what it sells.

Though, I doubt Chibi-Robo passes that threshold either.

EarthBound didn't sell well either, and Ness is a an original Smash Bro., even accompanied by Lucas, and several other cameos.
Chibi-Robo and EarthBound have in common that there are people thinking their games are masterpieces and Chibi-Robo as a Smash fighter is wanted since Brawl.
The same goes for Golden Sun Isaac (wanted since Brawl) and Sin and Punishment Saki (wanted since 64). Otherwise those characters wouldn't be the first ones to have Mii costumes.

I kinda really want chibi robo in smash now I'm rooting for him.

@SKTTR If Wonder Boy was given a representative, would they favor the first game, The Dragon's Trap (for being the arguably most iconic), Asha in Monster World (because of the remake happening), or heck, even Monster Boy (technically the most recent game in the series and also the only one I own)? Definitely not a clear choice.

The music would be outstanding, though, especially between the remake of Dragon's Trap and Monster Boy

The Mother series with 2 releases had already sold 700,000+ units in Japan alone by the time that Smash 64 came out. And after the release of Mother 3, it's a 1 million+ series just in Japan.

Chibi Robo over the course of 5 retail releases (counting the rerelease on Wii) have not managed anywhere near that number in Japan being closer to around ~450,000 for the series.

Maybe the Chibi Robo series by now has outsold Earthbound's disappointing US sales? Maybe?

Chibi Robo series has outsold Earthbound by default everywhere else in the world. LOL

Mother and Chibi Robo are no way comparable in terms of units sold.

I still think my previous prediction is more likely but I thought, what if Fighters Pass 2 was essentially a "modern icons" pass so basically all characters have to have first appeared in a game during 2011 or later. The March Direct called Xenoblade a "modern classic" so modern probably counts for up to 10 years.

Currently we have:

• Min Min (2017) - ARMS was Nintendo's biggest new IP from 2011 onwards at the time the fighters were picked
• Steve (2011) - A huge modern gaming icon

So something like:

• A Fortnite character
• Tracer (Overwatch)
• Geralt (Witcher 3)
• Dragonborn (Skyrim) - Only if Steve doesn't deconfirm Bethesda characters, otherwise pick a different character from an iconic game from 2011-2021

@Grumblevolcano Arms is Nintendo’s biggest new IP since 2011? Nah, Splatoon easily has Arms beat.

@Grumblevolcano ARMS????? really?

ARMS was Nintendo's biggest new IP? Im laughing so hard right now.

@jump I meant new IP that hasn't already got representation. Splatoon got Inkling in the base game and I think ARMS was bigger than Ring Fit at the time the fighters pass 2 characters were picked.

@PikaPhantom

My prefered one for Smash is Tom-Tom, the original Wonder Boy from the first three games just because he is the first one, and he is the one that went through most changes until it defined the series.
Tom-Tom would imo be the perfect mix of classic platformer (hammerthrowing, skateboarding) and modern (metroidvania - animal transformations) Wonder Boy.
Shion and Asha would be next in line, but if not as Echoes or Alts or Mii Costumes then as new Spirits.

@Toy_Link

The point I'm trying to make isn't just that both series didn't sell that great, but that despite that there's a extremely strong fanbase for both these games.
Chibi-Robo and Earthbound have in common that they are innovative series that tell reallife matter stories with a certain kind of humour and quirkyness that's rarely seen. They have a great soundtrack in common. They try to do plenty things differently than any other game. And they succeed on an emotional level by the ones who gave them time.

@Grumblevolcano Arms is still behind Tomadachi Life, 1 2 Switch, Dragalia Lost etc ;p

I think the fact 8 of the third party series with Smash characters were introduced as DLC (out of 13) probably means that the rest of Fighters Pass 2 will continue that general trend, especially given some of the rumors.

I’m sorry, but if anybody else has seen the supposed rumor from fortnite creator saying no comment on smash, the exact same thing the dude I forgot said before Travis touchdown got a mii, the rumors make byleth seem like a good choice lol.

@Slinkoy1 @DarthNocturnal People said that about Steve...but I don't see how they could make Fortnite work because it is a constantly changing game, and the Smash content for it would probably be dated within a year, whereas the Minecraft content most likely won't. Fortnite also would work much better for a Mii costume anyways in terms of character proportions and fitting a Mii Gunner mold. Part of why I argued for Steve being a character was all the different weapons and tools in Minecraft, while Fortnite is much more focused on just gunplay as far as I know.

Nintendo's third-party picks are always established IPs, even if it's just "oh yeah, Bayonetta has a sequel" or "Minecraft has several spinoffs." Fortnite is pretty recent and doesn't have that going for it, unless you count Battle Royale and Save the World separately. I also think Steve covers a similar audience without the immense backlash that Fortnite would bring.

@PikaPhantom Do you think Fighters Pass 2 will parallel FP1 by having one first party rep with Min Min and the remaining characters all being from new third party universes like Persona, Dragon Quest, Fatal Fury and Banjo