Topic: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

@ToadBrigade Just a question jeez

I do personally think they'll have a better balance of third and first party reps but I wouldn't be surprised if they continually introduce new third party franchises since for a lot of the picks already it might be the only time they'll even get to do so.

@TheFrenchiestFry If you look at the first wave of DLC fighters, it's 2 1st party characters (Piranha Plant starting the wave, Byleth ending the wave). As the second wave started with a 1st party character (Min Min) just like the first, I'd guess it would end with a 1st party character too.

@Grumblevolcano It's 2 first party fighters* because Plant isn't actually an official part of the Passes. He was in development before any of the actual post-launch fighters were selected. I'm going strictly off of the proper post-launch fighters that came with music and stages, which in that case was just one first party fighter.

So there is a leak in the sound files of the game and there is two sound file for one character so that means were getting a fighter with a character skins, So what i'm trying to say is crash and coco for smash.

@TheFrenchiestFry I think it's highly likely, but I'm sure that if Geno makes it he'll be considered first party by most even though Square Enix owns him.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another voiceless character and then 2 characters with 2 sets of clips each if voice theory lines up.

@PikaPhantom I still think Geno's Mii Costume is coming in place of him as a character honestly. Despite how highly demanded he is by a lot of hardcore Nintendo fans, he's still in a particularly rough position considering he's technically both a first party and third party character, and there are a few reps from the Mario RPG subseries who'd do a considerably better job of representing that specific style considering he was practically a one off character

He also wouldn't represent Square Enix well at all because again, he just appeared in one game that doesn't have the staying power of stuff like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, KH, Mana or Chrono

@TheFrenchiestFry Yeah, I don't think Geno is a lock and could easily see him being a costume again, but Geno came to mind for some reason. At this rate, I don't see a Pokemon happening because they would presumably be promoting Sword/Shield and/or its DLC, but that ship has sailed and I think the Smash team would've made a Pokemon line up with Crown Tundra as closely as possible - but we got Steve last month. Sword/Shield also got spirits after planning for the second pass began, so I don't think it was ever intended, and I think that's the one first party we could really expect given Astral Chain got Spirits in January (I know Min Min disproves the Spirit rule, but it's logical to assume that anything added after planning for the second pass began deconfirms a character). I don't expect to see Bandana Dee or Dixie Kong or Rex or any character of that sort make the cut, either

Sorry for kinda rambling, I like to think these things through and I know this wasn't about a Pokemon, it's just the one expectation I've seen frequently

Lately I've been hearin people talking about how Ryu Hayabusa is the last NES icon. Not in my world.

We might have lost Bomberman and Goemon (two more NES icons) to Mii Costumes and TETRIS to a Spirit Event, but we still have Bubble Bobble, Contra, Ghosts'n Goblins, Bomb Jack, Solomon's Key, Maniac Mansion, and Turrican as some of the most popular 3rd party games from that era.
And Nintendo has at least Famicom Wars/Advance Wars, Excitebike, The Mysterious Murasame Castle, and StarTropics left over.

Ninja Gaiden isn't the last big one. It's just one of a bunch of big ones.

@PikaPhantom Yeah I think Min Min and Byleth were probably intentional considering one was from a new game that got massively popular and the other was from Nintendo's newest IP in general. I think the Rex ship sailed a long time ago with Byleth considering Sakurai chose a character from a game that wasn't out over a character from a game that was like a year old by the time the DLC was being selected

It's also highly likely that post launch spirits also deconfirm characters so yeah no Leon Kennedy, or the main characters from Astral Chain either

If they were to include a Pokemon in the roster I feel like they would've done that pretty early on in Fighters Pass 2 but we got Min Min instead

@SKTTR Hayabusa is cool but he's far from the last third party NES icon

Not only that, but they'd probably also base him off his modern incarnation from the reboot series if he was put in Smash.

@TheFrenchiestFry It may be a duluxe mii costume but I would love him to be a character but wat about waluigi?

@TheFrenchiestFry If anything, I think they'd be more likely to pick another Xenoblade 1 character since Definitive Edition is the most recent game in the series and thus the one Nintendo would want to push most

@PikaPhantom Yeah I've been adamant for a while if they picked another Xeno rep that wasn't from 2 it would probably be Fiora if anyone

Granted Elma has been a debated candidate as well but it's usually down to either Fiora or Rex, and we know for sure Rex ain't happening

@Snatcher Waluigi ain't got a chance lmao

He just doesn't

@TheFrenchiestFry Could even be Melia since she was the focus of Future Connected

About Pokemon Gen 8, we don't know that the Sword/Shield cycle is over yet. Sure the expansion pass is finished but the Sword/Shield soundtrack is still missing (every mainline Pokemon game since X/Y except Ultra Sun/Moon got a soundtrack release very close to if not at release of the games, naturally for Sword/Shield they'd wait until all the DLC released). To me this suggests Sword/Shield may have more expansion passes and probably by the end every Pokemon that exists will be usable in Sword/Shield.

If there is a second expansion pass I'd imagine an announcement of its existence would occur in early 2021 (perhaps a Pokemon Direct in January/February 2021 covering what's happening in general for the Pokemon 25th anniversary).

@Grumblevolcano Why would they release a version of the game with the expansion pass on the cartridge only to release more major DLC for Sword/Shield?

@ToadBrigade Waluigi has the best/weirdest memes which is enough warrant to inclusion over the low bar of being yet another sword fighting Fire Emblem character

Waluigi is literally the definition of an ironic pick

The people who actually legitimately think he would be a cool addition as a fighter are vastly in the minority for the most part. At least more deemphasized characters like Daisy and Rosalina appeared in main Mario games first before being relegated to spinoff material

Waluigi was created for nothing but spinoff games

@PikaPhantom Because that way they get people to spend more money.