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VoidofLight

@Octane It's stupid, and I hate TPC for it, but there's nothing that could be done. No competition for the series that could aim to make them change, and sales probably won't ever dip far enough to make them change as well. I feel bad for the devs that have to deal with this, since they want to move onto better things, or want to give it their all, but aren't able to do so because of these stupid time restraints that are forced in order to keep merch and the anime flowing.

It's why I'm hopeful that Legends will be able to at least bring some form of progression or change in the series, and why I'm cautiously optimistic for it. I don't think it necessarily needs voice acting for it to be good, and I feel like the graphics are passable for the title. The main thing I just want is good gameplay, and tons of content.. which we haven't had since Black and White. This is the biggest leap that the series has had so far, and I feel like it'll probably end up not doing so well, due to the graphics, or due to it releasing in January with major changes to it's gameplay. I can see it being polarizing in the fanbase, since it already is. Poketubers are already ripping the game apart without playing it, like Verlisify, who keeps saying the game is horrible.

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Snatcher

@Pizzamorg IKR? My only issue is that it looks a little muddy, and I hope it gets smoothed out later on, but thats about it, People are just hating just to hate, and most of them probably haven't played a pokemon games in a wile.

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Pizzamorg

Snatcher wrote:

@Pizzamorg IKR? My only issue is that it looks a little muddy, and I hope it gets smoothed out later on, but thats about it, People are just hating just to hate, and most of them probably haven't played a pokemon games in a wile.

Yeah, it is kinda sad really. I bought into the backlash around S/Sfor years, when I tried the game out on my Sisters Switch I was clouded by all the negativity and ended up missing out for years on one of the best experiences I have had on my Switch.

As such, this time around, I’m not letting people drag me down about Legends. I am excited and don’t care about crybabies saying ***** stuff like “looks like a GameCube game”, like get the ***** out of here with that *****.

We can by all means focus on objective issues and by all means share subjective issues, but the 30 something basement dwellers need to accept the Pokemon game they have conjured in their head, tailored exactly to them, does not and probably will never, exist. So they can either enjoy these games for what they offer or just move on. Simply seething in a pool of toxicity, making usually hyperbolic statements and pretending they are facts achieves nothing but making everyone miserable.

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VoidofLight

I'll just never understand the sentiment that this game looks like a Gamecube game. I just looked at Gamecube games, and nothing on the gamecube looks like this.

I've seen people say Legends looks like a ps3 game, and I guess that's slightly more accurate, but the Switch itself is barely more powerful than the PS3.

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Snatcher

@Pizzamorg Sword and shield is amazing, sure it has its setbacks here and there, but Its not at any means a bad game.

"looks like a GameCube game" People really said this? like what the hell? This looks by no means like a gamecube game, I will never understand that argument.

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VoidofLight

@Snatcher Yeah, the guy who made Dokie Dokie Literature Club said Legends looks like a gamecube game, and wasn't saying to throw shade, but asking because he wasn't sure why something like it was acceptable on the Switch.

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Pizzamorg

And not only is it wrong… but it’s the bloody Switch. What game is he looking at on the Switch to the point where he feels like comparatively Legends looks like a GameCube game? Like what a nutter. The Switch is effectively a portable XBOX 360 in terms of power, this is basically as good as it gets without some significant performance issues or some insane optimisation.

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VoidofLight

@Pizzamorg I've seen people say BotW looks 10 times better, and that Legends should look like that... but BotW also had really muddy textures, and the world is also pretty empty looking in some aspects.

I've seen people say how SMT V is also better looking, but SMT V has apparent limits that Legends doesn't have graphically.

The only thing that Legends has that's a graphical issue is it's textures. The rest of the game looks perfectly fine, and performance-wise, it looks fine as well. There's slight pop-in in the gameplay we've seen, but it's not that awful either.

I just think people are saying it looks awful because it's a pokemon game, while they wouldn't really do the same for any other series. Yes, I get Pokemon makes tons of money, but so do other series. Not to mention, the dev team behind these games aren't really strong with HD console games, as Sword and Shield was technically the first mainline game on a console. Let's Go barely counts, given how it wasn't made by the main team at Gamefreak.

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kkslider5552000

I flat hate the "it looks like a GCN/PS2 game" complaints some games get. Like even if a game looks awful, if its a new game, it almost certainly looks fundamentally different than what you would see on those systems. It's a complete, embarrassing misunderstanding of graphics in general. Doubly stupid since there are GCN Pokemon games to compare it to, so you can be proven wrong very quickly.

Also, considering how those comparisons don't hold up at all, the only valid possible comparisons make me think of games that still hold up visually. Which...actually does make the new Pokemon games look bad. I'm not saying its the worst example of this, but visually, I much prefer the best of that generation than any 3D Pokemon game (including the actual GCN Pokemon games tbh), regardless of the factual graphical improvements a modern Pokemon game would have by comparison. If we're making that comparison, Pokemon is actually better AND worse than that.

Tell me you wouldn't want Wind Waker or Mario Sunshine or Viewtiful Joe style for Pokemon instead. I'd love that. It'd never happen, but it sounds cool to me. (though again, its not like all GCN games hold up as well as those)

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Snatcher

@VoidofLight Like in what world can a gamecube run a game like that? I just can't understand where the "It looks like a gamecube game" comes from.
@kkslider5552000 I hate it too.

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Pizzamorg

VoidofLight wrote:

@Pizzamorg I've seen people say BotW looks 10 times better, and that Legends should look like that... but BotW also had really muddy textures, and the world is also pretty empty looking in some aspects.

I've seen people say how SMT V is also better looking, but SMT V has apparent limits that Legends doesn't have graphically.

The only thing that Legends has that's a graphical issue is it's textures. The rest of the game looks perfectly fine, and performance-wise, it looks fine as well. There's slight pop-in in the gameplay we've seen, but it's not that awful either.

I just think people are saying it looks awful because it's a pokemon game, while they wouldn't really do the same for any other series. Yes, I get Pokemon makes tons of money, but so do other series. Not to mention, the dev team behind these games aren't really strong with HD console games, as Sword and Shield was technically the first mainline game on a console. Let's Go barely counts, given how it wasn't made by the main team at Gamefreak.

Yeah, BOTW looks as good as it does, because it had the full might of Nintendo behind it, is set predominantly in one big open field and uses extensive cell shading so it doesn’t have to render a lot of detail. And you’re right, it still managed to have some low res, muddy, blurry visuals, even docked. And that isn’t to say BOTW isn’t a gorgeous game, but using it as some kind of benchmark for everything seems asinine to me. Sure, this is what the Switch can achieve, but it isn’t like a regular occurrence, this is the result of mountains moved. And sure, you could argue that we should expect all devs to do the same, but I live in the real world and just know that isn’t how it works.

SMT V does put Pokemon S/S to shame in a lot of ways in terms of both the amount of things on screen and the draw distances, but they balance that with mostly pretty simplified environments, muddied visuals, smoke and mirrors filters and that still came with some significant performance hits, especially in handheld. And while I’d rather not be in a position where I have to choose, if I must choose between a few more things on screen or a stable frame rate, I pick frame rate every time.

kkslider5552000 wrote:

I flat hate the "it looks like a GCN/PS2 game" complaints some games get. Like even if a game looks awful, if its a new game, it almost certainly looks fundamentally different than what you would see on those systems. It's a complete, embarrassing misunderstanding of graphics in general. Doubly stupid since there are GCN Pokemon games to compare it to, so you can be proven wrong very quickly.

Also, considering how those comparisons don't hold up at all, the only valid possible comparisons make me think of games that still hold up visually. Which...actually does make the new Pokemon games look bad. I'm not saying its the worst example of this, but visually, I much prefer the best of that generation than any 3D Pokemon game (including the actual GCN Pokemon games tbh), regardless of the factual graphical improvements a modern Pokemon game would have by comparison. If we're making that comparison, Pokemon is actually better AND worse than that.

Tell me you wouldn't want Wind Waker or Mario Sunshine or Viewtiful Joe style for Pokemon instead. I'd love that. It'd never happen, but it sounds cool to me. (though again, its not like all GCN games hold up as well as those)

Yeah, I think if people don’t like the style or art design, that is something different. I think maybe the biggest problem here is people using “graphics” as some catch all term for what their eyes can see. This creates pretty misleading statements, because objectively based on what we’ve seen, the Legends graphics aren’t bad in the context of the Switch. And, like you say, the asinine GC comments can be swiftly debunked with a quick Google search. But if they are talking about specific things about the visuals, I think they should really clarify that. And that might sound really anal, and maybe it is a bit, but it just annoys me that the term ‘graphics’ is just slapped on everything.

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Snatcher

VoidofLight wrote:

@Pizzamorg I've seen people say BotW looks 10 times better, and that Legends should look like that... but BotW also had really muddy textures, and the world is also pretty empty looking in some aspects.

I've seen people say how SMT V is also better looking, but SMT V has apparent limits that Legends doesn't have graphically.

The only thing that Legends has that's a graphical issue is it's textures. The rest of the game looks perfectly fine, and performance-wise, it looks fine as well. There's slight pop-in in the gameplay we've seen, but it's not that awful either.

I just think people are saying it looks awful because it's a pokemon game, while they wouldn't really do the same for any other series. Yes, I get Pokemon makes tons of money, but so do other series. Not to mention, the dev team behind these games aren't really strong with HD console games, as Sword and Shield was technically the first mainline game on a console. Let's Go barely counts, given how it wasn't made by the main team at Gamefreak.

This. Breath of the wild was no perfect snowflake yet people act like it is, I have heard no one say BOTW looks like a gamecube game, Thats because I'm sure half of the people saying that, just doesn't like pokemon, Or is just so used to PS5 graphic levels, they need it to be as smooth as a lego block.

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VoidofLight

@Snatcher I feel like most people complaining about Pokemon's graphics are complaining because it's pokemon. At least it feels like that at times.

And yeah, the art style for Legends isn't terrible. I personally find it passable, and some of the stuff they've shown looks really pretty, while other stuff does kind of look ugly. Like, I noticed that some outfits for these characters are a bit muddied, compared to the artwork. I wish they'd be able to polish up these textures, but I'm fine if they don't. People are also missing other aspects of the game as well, like how the Pokemon are fully 3D modeled now, and no longer rely on textures for their mouths and eyes, or how all the pokemon have specific animations for their moves, instead of just having a giant fist summoned and fly towards other pokemon. It's exactly what people wanted out of the animations in Sword and Shield, but then they still find more to pick apart anyways, disregarding that.

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Snatcher

@VoidofLight No joke! Yall got the animations you have been begging for! you get it, and what do you do? find something else to wine about, Thus be the internet I guess.

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JaxonH

I just found out you craft your Pokeballs in this game... why am I just now hearing about this?!!

So, it's Pokémon in open world-ish areas similar to Monster Hunter Rise, you gather materials and craft, you can use stealth to your advantage, fights are real time... anything else I'm missing here?

This sounds AMAZING! Ya, the game isn't visually impressive, but the latest batch of clips and vids show a stable framerate, and the visuals at least look clean. They're good enough to enjoy the game.

But I'm genuinely intrigued by these new revelations!! Dare I get hyped for this game? I think I might. I really think I might

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DarthNocturnal

I'm curious about Home support. It might just be for a few special events in Legends that can be transferred to BDSP, but it'd nice if some of the new forms or Pokemon were made available in the mainline 8th gen games.

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VoidofLight

@JaxonH Yep, it's effectively just pokemon if it combined with monster hunter. The world structure is more akin to Monster Hunter, with a village you always return to and stock up at, with the open areas being segmented and the only way to travel between is by picking them on the map or something. They also confirmed missions as a thing, making it even closer to Monster Hunter. The visuals look pretty decent, even though the textures are still iffy. I genuinely like how all the pokemon have brand new 3D models as well.

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Pizzamorg

One correction… fights aren’t in real time… are they? Like you do have some real time combat in the over world, kinda? Like dodging angry mons and that, but I believe once you throw out your Pokemon it becomes a standard turn based battle, right? Or am I wrong? Please don’t tell me they decided to use Ni No Kuni’s awful turn based menu in a real time combat setting?

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