TMNT: Shredder's Revenge Lands A New Physical Edition With DLC Included This November

Well wtf... tired of indies having multiple physical editions that are considered rare and unique with them to just be replaced down the road... dead cells is up to how many versions?

Kind of feels like a bit of a slap in the face to early adopters. They could've at least waited another year.

On the other hand, dlc included is easy for posterity...

Just like with SoR4.

The frustrating thing is sometimes you wait for these things and the old release becomes hard to find in the mean time.

I understand that sometimes publishers don't know if they will be doing a "double dip" edition in advance but it would be nice to have some clarity.

I will probably get this and trade in the old one but I must say I prefer the box art on the original.

Glad I waited

For those that haven't bought already, a bargain price for a great game.

For those of us that bought the original version just a year ago because we hate digital only things... this is conflicting. On the one hand, its wonderful to have a physical version of the DLC. On the other hand it means our original purchase is now pointless/worthless (can't imagine it will be worth much second hand or trade-in in the short term).

I don't want to massively hijack this thread but its very on topic and something I've been thinking / worrying about. I have 2 commercial Switch games coming out in the next year and have offers from various "short print run" style companies for physical copies. Thats very exciting to me. However, I also envisioned both of them being somewhat like Shovel Knight and having several very large, very expansive free DLC updates released - I want to add value to people that buy the game and keep giving them a reason to come back. I know that as a consumer and fan of indie titles myself, I always really appreciate this.

Eventually of course I'll stop and move on to sequels or new games. But at that point I'll 100% want to release another physical version with all of the final DLC and updates added. Will this be a poor PR move and upset all the people that had enough faith in me to buy the launch versions? I'm very conflicted on it. Again to be clear, the DLC will be very expansive (far more content than just this one singular bit of paid DLC), but also completely free. Like adding "season updates" to the game for a couple of years, along with bug fixes etc for anything people run accross.

I'm genuinely interested to see people's reactions to this Turtles thing, and also how their feelings would apply to my similar situation. Its really been on my mind as a genuine ethical/moral concern for me and I don't know where I fall on it. I'm not a developer that needs the money, I'm a genuine indie games fan who loves physical editions of games I like.

Does it include a free pizza from Pizza Hut like the last physical release?

@samuelvictor I think if that's your plan then the initial release should be priced accordingly. I don't mean mega-cheap, but say £22.50 instead of £30. That way Day 1 buyers can feel like they're supporting the game but not getting totally fleeced.

That's what Dead Cells did, more or less, so far as I can remember. I bought it early (can't remember if Day 1 or not) for about £22. Now that the Castlevania Edition is out I didn't feel hard done by paying another £25 to get the version with all the extra DLC.

Good luck with it all anyhow. Sounds mega exciting and I look forward to seeing what you got

Edit: Re-reading... you mentioned publication by 'short print run'. Hmmm, that's a different equation cos they tend to charge a bit more, and in the case of LRG at least, can take a really long time to actually deliver.

The original Dead Cells and Shredder's Revenge releases both got a standard retail release, hence the more attractive deal for someone like me. I would indeed see it as bad PR if I'd paid £40 for a LRG release to then see another LRG-type release in a couple of years.

Frustrating. I’ve already moved on to other games so it’s doubtful I’d even go back to play the DLC to want to order this again. I had ordered the Classic edition of the first release then bought a standard copy at a retail store to open and play the game.

I refuse to keep up with the never-ending FOMO updates these “limited release” companies keep pushing. Sure, I’m a sucker for physical games, but this stuff is just out of control anymore.

Have they confirmed the DLC is on the cartridge or is this one of those “code in the box” physical releases?

@Don Yes it does. At least, the Limited Run version does.

Dotemu is egregiously notorious for this. I mean, how many physical editions of Streets of Rage 4 were there?

I bought a physical of Shredder's Revenge a month before the U.S. release (thank you region-free cartridges). Love it. One of my favorite games on Switch.
I love physical games, because I get to have the content on cartridge for posterity. But I don't feel inclined to double-dip on this release.

I was honestly expecting this, but not so soon. I was tempted to get the dlc while playing the ps5 version the other day, and still have my switch copy.

Not sure what to do at this point - It's not like I can't afford it, but I'm thinking I'm going to treat dotemu games like I do fighting games - wait a few years and buy the "ultimate" version when it's on sale.

They did this with Nickelodeon All Stars Brawl also. While I can understand wanting a "complete" physical edition available it still kinda smells like a cash grab.

@gcunit Thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response, I really appreciate it. Also the kind words of encouragement! I'm very happy with the games we are making they are genuinely things I'd be 100% hyped for as a consumer. I'm making stuff I love, which is gratifying.

Obviously I won't talk specific companies but one of the companies that courted my titles wanted to do very high priced releases and multiple versions with varying levels of overpriced tat and I actually turned them down because I don't think the prices are fair to consumers. I always try and think "would I, as a game fan, want to pay that amount for this game, if I had no emotional attachment to it?".

To be clear, this wasn't LRG, I've not spoken to them. I get the feeling they are more interested in making copies of existing digital titles rather than going day and date with a new IP. Perhaps I'm wrong. I respect a lot of what they've done for indie and digital games, and what they are doing with resurfacing certain retro titles. I share some frustrations about devlivery times and some prices though.

I'm paying alot of attention to the reputation of companies, and the general feel/vibe I get when speaking to them. I'd prefer a less corporate and more "true indie fans who want to build a relationship with passionate small devs" company who offer a realistic plan, price, print run and schedule.

Probably not a wise business move to post online but when developing them, they both felt to me like the Digital versions on Steam etc would be fair at maybe $14.99 or so $20 max - some people would rave about how much value was there as far as longevity, play time etc, especailly as they expand, but they are still pixel art retro inspired titles, I feel less people are comfortable paying $30-50 for those regardless of how much content there is, and I'm more in this for having lots of people play and enjoy the titles rather than to make money.

With that said, given the price of making carts, builk ordering etc, I think a standard edition would be ok at around the $20-25 mark.

As for special editions that have a load of extra stuff, we've actually considered making more expensive limited edition version of one of the games, because its about a cute little witch (Hazel, in my avatar) and her bat friend, and we think they would make super cute plushies, and it would be great to have physical map, spellbook and maybe a wand, all in a "big box" like old DOS and Amiga games... but again this is mostly because we love the characters and world and think its would be a really cool thing to have. In order to make the price reasonable we'd make virtually no more profit per unit than the standard editions.

Separately we're considering just kickstarting that ourselves for those that want it - rather than being beholden to a company, and also being able to control the ethical production of the goods. My gut feeling is that if someone paid a large-ish amount of money for a special edition like that, and then we released a new physcial edition with all the DLC, I'd want to send it to them for free / shipping cost rather than ask for even more money 😅 Thats easy for CD/DVD, less so for Switch carts with are expensive, especially in small quantities.

Ah yes, the Dead Cells method.

Bravo.

@samuelvictor what are the games that your releasing next year? I’m genuinely curious.

why is it so much more expensive in america? $55 vs £30 is a HUGE price difference

I am pretty laid back about this stuff usually but this is very annoying. I had to wait a long time for my TMNT cartridge to come in, for them to now announce another release this quickly that makes mine essentially deprecated does not feel good.

@Bizzyb This is what I’m trying to figure out, because Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl just had a code for the DLC characters. The cartridge was the same as the base game. So will Shredder’s Revenge be the same? Identical cartridge but include a code for DLC?

@Waluigi451 Oh man I didn't know that about the Nick game. It hadn't even occured to me that this might be an indentical cart but with DLC code included. If it is, there's no reason to get it. Also the more I look at it, I much prefer the box art of the version I already own.

If its 100% on the cart though, that does appeal to me. Hmm.

@Waluigi451 Considering it's much cheaper to just throw in a download code...🤔 Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

This DLC isn't worth it unless you really want those 2 extra characters. Hardly worth 8 bucks let alone a new purchase of the game.

@Bizzyb @samuelvictor Exactly. People seem to be assuming it’s all on the cart but I just don’t see them confirming that anywhere. Like with the Nick game, the download code in the case seems to be the standard move anytime a company releases a physical that includes DLC. Like you said, we will see…

@Waluigi451 The reason it hasn't occured to me is because it seems so pointless to do it that way. But then I'm a "physical purist", hense my above dilemas. And all my own DLC will be free so people with the launch day physical version would be able to download DLC for free regardless, the second physical release would only be for those that want all the DLC on a cart once I'm 100% sure no more free expansions will be released. Making multiple retail versions with minor variance in packaging to milk collectors angers me as a consumer and I won't do it with my own titles regardless of how much money I'm offered to do so.

Ok, I see the game listed on LRG and Signature Edition Games web stores, with no mention of the DLC being a code or additional download. I should certainly hope not, at least! LRG would not want to associate themselves with an incomplete product in this case.
I hope the dev or these publishers provide clarity soon! I own the launch version of the game already and I will only buy the Anniversary Edition if the DLC is on the cartridge.

Really, this physical anniversary edition should have been announced right up front, the same time the DLC was revealed. That way, customers could have decided whether to buy digital or physical.

Ah well, not rebuying.

I will not be buying. The box art here doesn't look as good.

@samuelvictor neat both of those sound like good games (especially the pizza one) I’ll keep an eye out for them.

If the dlc is on the cartridge along with the base game, I'll buy the switch version.
Otherwise, I'll stick to the GamePass version.

@Greatluigi Thank you! 😀

Omg it's the Streets of Rage 4 situation all over again. I guess I can get this one and sell away my older physical copy from Limited Run Games.

I feel burned just like I was with Streets of Rage 4 when it got another physical release with the DLC on the cartridge.

So I think this is okay. I'm sure there are people out there who didn't buy Shredder's Revenge the first time and are now looking for a physical. This would be a good option for them, although I can understand why people would be frustrated. I prefer physical games, but I'm not personally a collector by any means so I don't get too bothered if another version releases.

I also wanted to take a minute to appreciate the pun in the subtitle. Must be a Nintendo Life Top 5 contender for sure. Not a quote, not a reference, just pure pun perfection. 10/10.

Imagine taking the time to swap game cartridges for small little games like turtles LMAO

@World I mean it's not that great. Basically every comment of mine is calling N "Nintendough" due to their gross acceleration of anti consumerism and greed lately. Probably stole my wordplay after deleting my comment. Rude.

@theModestMouse Well, I was maybe joking a bit there, haha. Your pun is good too!

...Signature Edition Games?

NO THANKS!

They had one job of sending out Alex Kidd: Miracle World DX at launch and couldn't do it.

Please update the article when we learn if the DLC is either on the cartridge or a download code.

@RupeeClock That is absolutely ridiculous. I order from them every few months, and I know how long the waits can be when you've pre-ordered more than one game in an order. They don't ship until everything is together. BTW their shipping rates are total BS compared to just about everyone else.

I know, I'm part of the problem ordering from them but a lot of their releases are exclusive, and I'd rather wait to play with entire game on card than buy digital when possible (even though I've double dipped waaaay too much. Trying to get better on that).

@samuelvictor No issue at all. To have a couple releases of an independent title over a couple years, one with lots of extra content for the fans is pretty exciting. If it's a game I really like I'll buy it again because I want to support that developer so they can keep making more games.

I may be a fool but I love this game, I will be selling my original copy and getting this upgrade instead…just like I did streets of rage 4. Now full me 3 times on this one developer and I will only have myself to blame. At least I waited on getting this dlc.

@dcon11 I believe they raise the price cause they are counting it as an import if you lived outside Europe. Remember this is only for the PAL version of the game with DLC included, not the NA version with DLC included. If the NA version is the one you want then Limited Run Games had the physical game with DLC for $35 but good luck waiting for the game to arrive any time soon.

@RupeeClock yup. You have to play it cautiously now and gauge whether or not it will become a mainstream release. Nowadays if its a well known game and LRG are releasing it first its very probable that another publisher will release it a few months down the line whilst you're waiting on your LRG copy. Happens too often. So much so I don't buy big title releases from LRG anymore.

Well it is full 90s, as Street Fighter 2, Street Fighter 2 Turbo and Super Street Fighter 2.

I will get the Game full on PC, the Switch Version i have physical isn't bad because of it and i can live how it is

with no mention of the DLC being a code or additional download. I should certainly hope not, at least! LRG would not want to associate themselves with an incomplete product in this case.

@Teksetter I've found at least one vendor stating that the physical package will be complete.

In any case, I quite agree with everything you're saying here.

Would it be paranoid of me to wonder aloud if there is future DLC coming which will supersede this version, as well? I've been looking forward to this game, which they've been brewing right in the heart of Montréal these many months... allez-y les gars, you've made some good stuff; be fair with the audience!

@samuelvictor I never expected an upfront payment to begin with so no worries there!

Subbed to your YouTube account, so I will make sure to keep checking that out. But in the meantime, any way we can get a conversation going outside of this message board? I am genuinly interested in helping out, so would love to hear more about your projects. If you have a website I can visit for contact information I would love to have a chat.

As for the practices employed by this game, I personally would probably release a digital only game for the time being, and when all DLC has been rolled out, only then release a physical edition.

Fortunately I didn't buy this game yet. I am not sure I ever will as I have soooo much stuff to do already, but I did think about it, so if I will, I am glad I held out a bit.

To me, this would sour the experience, had I already gotten it. And I don't even mind double dipping. I thought about buying a physical edition of a game I already had before, and I double dipped plenty of times just to support the devs or the game, so...

@Daniel36 Thank you for subscribing! There's an email address linked on that YouTube page, you can contact me there. However, no promises as to how often I'll check that inbox or respond in the short term... right now I'm only tentatively online after taking a long mental health break. Details of why and how are in my recent Nintendolife comment here: https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/nintendo-direct-september-2023-every-announcement-game-reveal-trailer#comment7793793

I'm not sure how long it will be before I'm back to feeling able to check my inboxes and mainstream social media etc again regularly. I'm mostly in "sit alone in a darkened room and work on my games and scripts and vfx in a robotic fashion and hide from the outside world" mode right now 😂 Once I'm back online fully you can find me on Twitter at the same tag as my username but because of the exposure thats the hardest for me to check.

@Daniel36 As for the "digital only until the game's dlc/seasons cycle is complete" thing, thats one option I'm considering but I'm not sure that its preferable in my case. My games will very much appeal to the retro collector market, and I hate "digital only" games as a practice in general... and there would be the same issue of expecting customers to "double dip" if I released as Digital only, only to then release a physical a year or two later. I've seen many people complain about Sonic Origins and Mania doing exactly that as they felt they were forced to buy it twice, thinking that there would never be a physical version.

I think the best option is probably to release with digital and physical day and date (or as close as possible) but be very upfront that there will be several free expansions and DLC coming, and once they are all released, there may be a "ultimate/complete" physical version again a couple of years down the line, if there is enough interest/demand. I think transparency and honesty is key, that way consumers can choose what to buy and when.

@samuelvictor We hit it off a few months back already, I remember, going back and forth under an article, and reading your comment on the other page, I can see why. We have a LOOOOT in common with one another.

Pretty much everything but the viral thing!! Oh, and the being in the movie industry. But other than that, yeah... We have a lot in common.

So... First things first, I am definitely NOT going to pressure you into anything, so no worries there, but I will see if I can find that email address and send you a mail sometime this week. But feel free to ignore me. Again, no pressure. But I've always wanted to make music for a videogame, so if your projects entice me, I could definitely try and make something worth including.

@Daniel36 Yes I remember us talking about import RPGs and how many people in different European countries speak English.

The email address is right there on my channel on the "about" section. As we've spoken quite a lot and I'm expecting a message I'll definitely reply, don't worry about that. Its just that I might not log in for quite a long time. I need to hire someone to manage my emails and social media really. But then I'd have to talk to them all the time! 😂

Sometimes, I go dark, especially when I'm under pressure in my job to be around many people at conventions, filmsets etc - I'm quite heavily autistic but I can "mask" very well so people don't realise... but there's only so much of my social energy to go around, and lately I'm in demand more than usual, and I'm still adjusting 😅

It’ll be in Best Buy and target within a month… just wait for a sale. LRG it’s terrible

Good thing I almost never get games at launch anymore. I always get burned by bugs or DLC that'll be added later in a "complete" edition. Nintendo is about the only publisher I'll buy games from at launch now.

@CANOEberry
Excellent to hear! I didn’t think of checking VGP. Now that we’re reasonably sure the DLC is on the cart, I feel obligated to sell off my old LRG copy and order an anniversary edition: I met Usagi Yojimbo’s creator Stan Sakai many years ago, and he was truly a nice guy.

But you’re right, in another year there probably will be more DLC, and an updated physical release. I’ve been through this with SOR4, Attack on Titan, Dead Cells, and BOTW this far. Things were much simpler in the old days before eShops and DLC!

@DreamlandGem Hi Gem thank you for the kind words! I have spoken to several Nintendolife/Hookshot staff over the years at length about my projects and also my film career and extensive work on various retrogames projects like books, documentaries and tv shows many of which have been featured on the site over the last decade.

Sadly I can't register as verifed with that form yet, as a requirement is to have at least one game published on the Nintendo EShop, and my first one doesn't go live for about 6 months. I've had interest to preview and eventually review my titles when the time is right, so I'm sure you'll be hearing about them, I'd love to get your feedback too, I'm a big Kirby collector myself as well and there's definitely elements of Adventure/Dreamland series in Hazel's world.

I wasn't trying to hijack this thread, it certainly seemed very relevant because of the reactions of people when they buy a physical game, only for a new edition to release shortly after, and the fact that its a 90s inpired retro title with a short run company - again exactly the same as my projects, so I couldn't resist asking people's opinions as to where the moral/ethical line is on this stuff. I wasn't planning on plugging or going into details about my own games, until I was pushed on it - sorry if this was overstepping a line, wasn't my intention.