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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

I need to make some rather clear, I am NOT a Nintendo fan I won't get into why but I'm not. I know how Militant Nintendo fans can be.

Tread carefully good sir. You might step into a pile of something that you don't want to.

As for your question, I think publishers are desperate to make millions in a lousy market and lousy economy. If they can't make a quick buck these days, then why bother?

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I just don't understand the "controler" defense. I don't understand why Sony and Xbox fans hate on it and I don't understand why third party's or gamers use it as an excuse as to why third party's don't want to work with nintendo.
What is smart glass? What is vita off screen play? It's the same thing except the vita has its own library and the wii u controler comes with the console. Everybody's doing it so stop complaining/using it as a crutch. It's a good thing and you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

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As for your question, I think publishers are desperate to make millions in a lousy market and lousy economy. If they can't make a quick buck these days, then why bother?

BINGO!!
It has been the tale of this generation, in particular, to play it as safe as possible when it comes to ideas. Too many developers have folded in this generation, and everyone--including Nintendo--are guilty of either re-using the same IPs, rehashing the same game mechanics, or milking an entire genre into obscurity (i.e. Guitar Hero). 3rd parties will not give Nintendo their sufficient focus (ie. $$ investment) to make a decent game, when they can simply make another FPS and release it on Xbox and PC and PS3 and make as much--if not more--return on their investment.

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LzQuacker wrote:

As for your question, I think publishers are desperate to make millions in a lousy market and lousy economy. If they can't make a quick buck these days, then why bother?

BINGO!!
It has been the tale of this generation, in particular, to play it as safe as possible when it comes to ideas. Too many developers have folded in this generation, and everyone--including Nintendo--are guilty of either re-using the same IPs, rehashing the same game mechanics, or milking an entire genre into obscurity (i.e. Guitar Hero). 3rd parties will not give Nintendo their sufficient focus (ie. $$ investment) to make a decent game, when they can simply make another FPS and release it on Xbox and PC and PS3 and make as much--if not more--return on their investment.

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Square Enix is the perfect example of this. Tomb Raider failed to meet their expectations...

On another note, I actually do expect this same kind of crap with the Xbox One and Playstation 4. They are getting the same attention as the Wii U did last year, and then they're probably gonna fall flat on their faces next year. Microsoft was already heading on that path before pulling a 180 on their stupid rules.

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Square Enix is the perfect example of this. Tomb Raider failed to meet their expectations...

On another note, I actually do expect this same kind of crap with the Xbox One and Playstation 4. They are getting the same attention as the Wii U did last year, and then they're probably gonna fall flat on their faces next year. Microsoft was already heading on that path before pulling a 180 on their stupid rules.

I think PS4 might get past this easily (granted it will cost Sony ALL THE MONEYS to do so) but Xbox is still screwed.

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LzQuacker wrote:

Square Enix is the perfect example of this. Tomb Raider failed to meet their expectations...

On another note, I actually do expect this same kind of crap with the Xbox One and Playstation 4. They are getting the same attention as the Wii U did last year, and then they're probably gonna fall flat on their faces next year. Microsoft was already heading on that path before pulling a 180 on their stupid rules.

I think PS4 might get past this easily (granted it will cost Sony ALL THE MONEYS to do so) but Xbox is still screwed.

I'm getting both. PS4 and XBOX One, The later when they get rid of Kinect. Ryse, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Crimson Dragon... too good to pass up. PS4 Sony has the best first party games (GASP I DARE SAY THAT ON A NINTENDO FORUM.

The ball is in Nintendo's court. So far they dropped it. E3 didn't have anything that made me the Non Nintendo fan rethink getting a Wii U. I was like AWWWW SHHHHH MEGA MAN but that wore off. It's baffling why no F-Zero. Then Ubi Soft goes off on Nintendo and becuase Ubi Soft are fuzzy baby ducks they
crap on Nintendo for Zombi U not selling well...dispite Zombi U being a Wii U game I WOULD Buy. No Soul Calibur 2 on WII U...you know Nintendo fans and Soul Calibur fans would jump on that if they had Link in HD on that. BUT Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That and other things (a Landry list in the now locked thread) Are why I find it so hard to be a Nintendo fan these days.

But I'll tell you right now. F-Zero Nintendo makes another F-Zero....they have my money.

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GASP I DARE SAY THAT ON A NINTENDO FORUM.

If you want to have a mature discussion on here, we would all appreciate it if you avoid such juvenile comments.

Anyhow, Ubisoft hasn't really blamed the WiiU for ZombiU not selling tons. They simply stated one of the reasons it didn't sell well. Low installation base. And even so they continue to support it far better than any other third party company by bringing us more games. Watch Dogs, Splinter Cell, Assassins Creed, and some others. They're giving it their all at the moment.

Amusingly the reason Nintendo hasn't made a new F Zero recently is for the same reason you say Nintendo is getting stale. Miyamoto has said that they don't have any new ideas for the game, and they don't want to make another that is essentially the same game as GX. Though I'm with you in saying I wold love an F Zero no matter how unchanged it is.

And I will be really surprised if Microsoft ditches Kinect for the Xbone. They are pushing it as hard as hey can. and making it a vital component.

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Third parties just find it very frustrating to compete with Nintendo. Sometimes they hit a home run like Just Dance and sometimes they need Sonic or some other big icon. But generally you see a game like Pikmin 3 getting 88 on metacritic and selling well - and they say - we can never do that without a lot of effort. Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, New Super Luigi U - game after game Nintendo sells and has good reviews, and they must think they're just not capable. However, I'm playing Tomb Raider now and it's pretty similar to The Last of Us - so there's no gap there. They can compete.

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50. Posted:

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Hum... You might have as deep issues with Nintendo as I have with Sony and the Playstation brand...

I've been accused of being a Sony Fanboy. But what were my options I was sick of the 360 getting the same 4 games over and voer (Same issue I have with Nintendo) SO..PS3 and I love my PS3. I love that it's REGION FREE. But hey I don't want to turn this in a flame War. I'm not here for that. But You gotta admit with all the strides Sony is making with the PS4...kinda hard to hate them now

I missed your topic last night, and it definitely was for the better, but there is something I do need to say about it.

Please, don't ever mention the supposed possibility of Nintendo having killed Yokoi. It's not funny. Fomenting rumors on Nintendo should stop when it comes to the subject of death. This is truly not funny. How about saying Sony killed him, then?

How about he just rest in peace?

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I'm not saying nintendo won't catch up, cause they will. I just don't think they've caught up, or catch up for a bit of time. And that's why I think 3rd parties are apprehensive. For now, but they'll catch up, no doubt

Honestly, if you wanna know about the Nintendo Network, ask it to all of us here at Nintendolife who played Mario Kart 7 together a few months ago.

Ask it to the people playing Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate online.

Ask it to those playing Need For Speed Most Wanted U online.

Ask it to those playing Call of Duty Black Ops II online.

Ask it to the people on Miiverse, posting across platforms.

This discussion is just as dumb as the "next-gen" war, ask the true question to those who enjoy the system and the services and you'll realize how far you can be from the truth.

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52. Posted:

PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

I'll keep it civil. I know how Militant Nintendo fans can be.

Could you stop with this kind of passive-aggressive stuff please? we're all about discussion, but not insults. Thanks in advance!

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53. Posted:

Well I didn't know what I was getting into. How often does a Non Nintendo fan join a Forum for Nintendo fans to discuss the topic of why he doesn't like Nintendo? For the most part it's been civil, besides when I tried to present my case.

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Well I didn't know what I was getting into. How often does a Non Nintendo fan join a Forum for Nintendo fans to discuss the topic of why he doesn't like Nintendo? For the most part it's been civil, besides when I tried to present my case.

There's a bitter difference between presenting one's opinion and presenting one's opinion while passively attacking your audience. We're simply saying that you tread carefully with your comments about others.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

Well I didn't know what I was getting into. How often does a Non Nintendo fan join a Forum for Nintendo fans to discuss the topic of why he doesn't like Nintendo? For the most part it's been civil, besides when I tried to present my case.

There's a bitter difference between presenting one's opinion and presenting one's opinion while passively attacking your audience. We're simply saying that you tread carefully with your comments about others.

I'm about 99% sure I haven't attacked anyone here. I can be very antagonistic it's my nature but I realize by just being here I'm treading water. But it was never my plan to come here and bash people for liking Nintendo. Quite the Opposite. I want to discuss people with an Opposite point of view.

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I'm wondering something... If your not a Nintendo fan then why are you here?? I do NOT mean this in a mean or hurtful way!

I already answered this somewhere. Possibly at the very beginning of the thread. I initially wanted to check out some comments a poster made somebody mentioned on a You Tube Video. But then I though, Hey I don't like Nintendo, but I USED TO. Maybe I can get a good discussion going on my beefs with Nintendo and reminiece about the good old days. I just got an N64 (Wii U Launch day I got an N64 even) and it's going to need a few more games there's bound to be something not on my radar. Plus lately I'm just absorbing alot of 8-bit goodness and once I start collecting NES/Famiicom games again I would be nice to discuss what I've stumbled on and what to look for.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

LzQuacker wrote:

Square Enix is the perfect example of this. Tomb Raider failed to meet their expectations...

On another note, I actually do expect this same kind of crap with the Xbox One and Playstation 4. They are getting the same attention as the Wii U did last year, and then they're probably gonna fall flat on their faces next year. Microsoft was already heading on that path before pulling a 180 on their stupid rules.

I think PS4 might get past this easily (granted it will cost Sony ALL THE MONEYS to do so) but Xbox is still screwed.

I'm getting both. PS4 and XBOX One, The later when they get rid of Kinect. Ryse, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Crimson Dragon... too good to pass up. PS4 Sony has the best first party games (GASP I DARE SAY THAT ON A NINTENDO FORUM.

The ball is in Nintendo's court. So far they dropped it. E3 didn't have anything that made me the Non Nintendo fan rethink getting a Wii U. I was like AWWWW SHHHHH MEGA MAN but that wore off. It's baffling why no F-Zero. Then Ubi Soft goes off on Nintendo and becuase Ubi Soft are fuzzy baby ducks they
crap on Nintendo for Zombi U not selling well...dispite Zombi U being a Wii U game I WOULD Buy. No Soul Calibur 2 on WII U...you know Nintendo fans and Soul Calibur fans would jump on that if they had Link in HD on that. BUT Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That and other things (a Landry list in the now locked thread) Are why I find it so hard to be a Nintendo fan these days.

But I'll tell you right now. F-Zero Nintendo makes another F-Zero....they have my money.

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I'll be honest here. I'd NEVER buy Soul Calibur 2 HD. I'm fine with playing the gem on my GC.

You keep mentioning Nintendo rereleasing games too much, but Kid Icarus: Uprising, Zelda Skyward Sword, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon all had game changing additions that weren't found in previous entries in their respective franchises.

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I'll be honest here. I'd NEVER buy Soul Calibur 2 HD. I'm fine with playing the gem on my GC.

You keep mentioning Nintendo rereleasing games too much, but Kid Icarus: Uprising, Zelda Skyward Sword, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon all had game changing additions that weren't found in previous entries in their respective franchises.

The only version of Soul Claibur 2 I do not have is the Gamecube Version. I might still have the complete save on my memory card. I need to get it at somepoint. To me Soul Claibur 2 was to last Generation what Mortal Kombat is to this one. AMAZING games and great fighters. I have so many Soul Calibur 2 stories I could tell.

The point wasn't gameplay changes. It's the fact it's the same Franchise rather than trying new gameplay ideas with new characters. Remember in the SNES and NES days when Nintendo was putting out different characters? Yeah there was Starfi and he mostly stayed in Japan. Thankfully he was Japan only before Nintendo went all Region Locky. I will exempt Kid Icarus from this because that franchise was long dormant and brought back which I'd like to see Nintendo do more often. Bring old franchises back if they can't make new ones. Really the thing I'm most angry about is No F-Zero simply because Miyamoto doesn't think there is anything left to do with it. I'll say it again Nintendo gets my Money if there's a New F-Zero.

Also Miyamoto is getting up there in Age. While Haiyo Miazaki can still craft great films with Ghibli. Gaming is quite different and Miyamoto really needs to think about either teaching the craft to the next generation of developers or hand picking a successor and working with him.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

swordx wrote:

I'll be honest here. I'd NEVER buy Soul Calibur 2 HD. I'm fine with playing the gem on my GC.

You keep mentioning Nintendo rereleasing games too much, but Kid Icarus: Uprising, Zelda Skyward Sword, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon all had game changing additions that weren't found in previous entries in their respective franchises.

The only version of Soul Claibur 2 I do not have is the Gamecube Version. I might still have the complete save on my memory card. I need to get it at somepoint. To me Soul Claibur 2 was to last Generation what Mortal Kombat is to this one. AMAZING games and great fighters. I have so many Soul Calibur 2 stories I could tell.

The point wasn't gameplay changes. It's the fact it's the same Franchise rather than trying new gameplay ideas with new characters. Remember in the SNES and NES days when Nintendo was putting out different characters? Yeah there was Starfi and he mostly stayed in Japan. Thankfully he was Japan only before Nintendo went all Region Locky. I will exempt Kid Icarus from this because that franchise was long dormant and brought back which I'd like to see Nintendo do more often. Bring old franchises back if they can't make new ones. Really the thing I'm most angry about is No F-Zero simply because Miyamoto doesn't think there is anything left to do with it. I'll say it again Nintendo gets my Money if there's a New F-Zero.

Also Miyamoto is getting up there in Age. While Haiyo Miazaki can still craft great films with Ghibli. Gaming is quite different and Miyamoto really needs to think about either teaching the craft to the next generation of developers or hand picking a successor and working with him.

Characters shouldn't be what matters...it's gameplay. Your arguemnt is now rendered invalid.

Also, there were more new SNES franchises because Nintendo didn't have many franchises to work with at that time.

By the way, Miyamoto has stated that he has a new IP in the works...

By the way, I want a new F-Zero aswell.

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Characters shouldn't be what matters...it's gameplay. Your arguemnt is now rendered invalid.

Also, there were more new SNES franchises because Nintendo didn't have many franchises to work with at that time.

By the way, Miyamoto has stated that he has a new IP in the works...

By the way, I want a new F-Zero aswell.

I'm tired of seeing Mario. Remember when a new Mario game was a big deal? Now it's OH ANOTHER Mario game. Zelda games are less frequent but how much more can you really do with Link? SO what does Miyamoto do? REMAKE WINDWAKER and just like with the Gamecube everyone wants the link in the Tech Demo...we get toon Link. I do hope this new Ip is something memorable though. I know Nintendo aren't really story tellers infact stupid Nintendo thinking is keeping the new Smash Brothers from having anything that even Resembles a Story. But I hope the New Ip tells some kind of story along with new/different gameplay experiences. The Last of Us set the bar REALLY REALLY REALLY High in terms of combining story with Gameplay if Nintendo wants to get in favor with older gamers like me again people who grew up with them but moved on to different brands after the SNES they should thinking about doing something that both plays well in the beloved Nintendo style, and combining it with an amazing story that maybe Nintendo isn't so well known for telling.

Or maybe we don't want story Driven Nintendo games...Look at Metroid Other M. Sorry But Samus don't need to answer to to man.

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Square Enix is the perfect example of this. Tomb Raider failed to meet their expectations...

On another note, I actually do expect this same kind of crap with the Xbox One and Playstation 4. They are getting the same attention as the Wii U did last year, and then they're probably gonna fall flat on their faces next year. Microsoft was already heading on that path before pulling a 180 on their stupid rules.

Even if the PS4/One fall on their faces I dont think your going to see the loss of support. This year's E# was a good roadmap of what the Third party developers plan to do for consoles. They're going to fall into two Catagories.

Next Gen only games to build up a fanbase or use better tech. -(The Division,Mirror's Edge,)
Cross Gen games that will most likely hit everything but Wii U.

Also besides Nintendo Oriented fansites or token articles were people talking about the Wii U? This time last year people didn't know what the WIi U and Nintendo did a bad job marketing it up to launch having events at E3, TGS, and than the october event but having tons of lulls. One/PS4 are known quantities by the general public and have been constantly in the news cycle being at every major Con or Show of the summer.

I don't think your gong to see them go the way of WIi U, because they're actually looking compelling at launch.

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