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GameLord08

21. Posted:

20% more powerful is one generation ahead? Mandoble, this really makes me wonder if the mindset you take towards gaming is a sensible one.
Power has never ensured the immediate success of a console anyway.

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http://www.nintengen.com/2012/01/speculation-wii-u-gpu-vs-xbo...

I wonder if this rumor has any base in it? Because if it does, the Wii U:s GPU (HD 4850) is actually better in most aspects than Xbox 720 (HD 6670)

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Faron wrote:

http://www.nintengen.com/2012/01/speculation-wii-u-gpu-vs-xbo...

I wonder if this rumor has any base in it? Because if it does, the Wii U:s GPU (HD 4850) is actually better in most aspects than Xbox 720 (HD 6670)

The hilarious thing is, this is technically true. At least power wise.

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Lordlz wrote:

Considering the Wii was successful despite the "one generation behind" mindset everyone had for it, I'm not that worried about Wii U. Keep in mind that throughout video game history, the most successful system has never been the most powerful one.

everyone may not agree with me, but i'mgoinv to say nintendo got lucky as hell with the wii taking off. it was perfect storm of price and a cool new gimmick.

it would be foolish to cite the wii as an example when evidence is showing the woo u dropping in to an even playing field launching next to really cheap consoles with the same relative power levels and known install base.

First off, they aren't "cheap" by some standards. Secondly, you don't know the price of the Wii U. Third, the Wii U probably won't have the same install base because it has Nintendo franchises as well.

Fourth, the PS2 was successful but less powerful than the Xbox. The PS1 was weaker than the N64 but was more successful.

Lastly, it's not luck good sir. The Wii had a great business model that WORKED. Nintendo intended to expand their audiences and were successful in doing so. Success is rarely based purely on luck; wise decisions also play a role in a lot of success.

It's also foolish to slap pointless trolling in an attempted serious argument ;)

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@IZ

1.by what standard they aren't cheap. by the time the wii u launches those two will be considerably cheaper.

2. of course i don't know the price but simple logic would but it in the $300-$400 range.

3. By install base i mean people using it and the debs already developing for it. not to mention the plethora of games avaible.

4. lets be honest just because you have a plan doesn't mean its going to catch on. products like webos, the playbooks, and zune are great examples of that.

also using the power argument is somewhat poor when you consider there's no way to tally up the power of a system. and i never said power was a factor for the wii. the won off of competitive pricing and a unique thing. also power doesn't matter when your format sucks. as powerful the cube and n64 was they were both killed by a horrible format.

also you have to look at the facts the wii u is being launched more like a gamecube or dreamcast.

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GameLord08

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@shingi-70: "Simple logic" can't be applied, seeing what happened to the 3DS. They may choose to go either way, even if it means selling at a loss. And Nintendo is a proficient gaming company, that rivals along the other significantly major two. Excellent innovation accompanied with a brilliant marketing plan is sure success from them.

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Mandoble

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GameLord08 wrote:

20% more powerful is one generation ahead? Mandoble, this really makes me wonder if the mindset you take towards gaming is a sensible one.

Read well, 20% more powerfull GPU (than expected one for WiiU), and six times the power of CPU (than current XBoX). Hope you can differentiate between GPU and CPU, right? Now if WiiU is overally 1.2 times faster than current 360, this seems to be way behind than being six times as powerfull. And yes, six times the power of a 360 is really close to the power of current gaming PCs (not counting RAM).

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GameLord08 wrote:

20% more powerful is one generation ahead? Mandoble, this really makes me wonder if the mindset you take towards gaming is a sensible one.

Read well, 20% more powerfull GPU (than expected one for WiiU), and six times the power of CPU (than current XBoX). Hope you can differentiate between GPU and CPU, right? Now if WiiU is overally 1.2 times faster than current 360, this seems to be way behind than being six times as powerfull. And yes, six times the power of a 360 is really close to the power of current gaming PCs (not counting RAM).

How is 6670 hd 20% more effective than 4870 HD? If i've understood correctly, Wii U is the one with better GPU.

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@IZ

1.by what standard they aren't cheap. by the time the wii u launches those two will be considerably cheaper.

2. of course i don't know the price but simple logic would but it in the $300-$400 range.

3. By install base i mean people using it and the debs already developing for it. not to mention the plethora of games avaible.

4. lets be honest just because you have a plan doesn't mean its going to catch on. products like webos, the playbooks, and zune are great examples of that.

also using the power argument is somewhat poor when you consider there's no way to tally up the power of a system. and i never said power was a factor for the wii. the won off of competitive pricing and a unique thing. also power doesn't matter when your format sucks. as powerful the cube and n64 was they were both killed by a horrible format.

also you have to look at the facts the wii u is being launched more like a gamecube or dreamcast.

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Sure the Gamecube came in 3rd, but the N64 was hardly "killed" it was still a commercial success and is one of the few systems that gamers don't mind going back and playing (actually nearly all Nintendo gaming consoles have that love).

Also I don't see how the Wii U is being launched like the Gamecube and Dreamcast. Both systems were simply promoted as more powerful systems (or faster) than the current competition. The Wii U is promoted similarly to the Wii, this time to hardcore gamers, a revolution to gaming.

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20% more powerful is one generation ahead? Mandoble, this really makes me wonder if the mindset you take towards gaming is a sensible one.

Read well, 20% more powerfull GPU (than expected one for WiiU), and six times the power of CPU (than current XBoX). Hope you can differentiate between GPU and CPU, right? Now if WiiU is overally 1.2 times faster than current 360, this seems to be way behind than being six times as powerfull. And yes, six times the power of a 360 is really close to the power of current gaming PCs (not counting RAM).

You seriously aren't reading the article correct if you're saying that the Wii U is overal 1.2 times faster (which is not the correct term) than the current 360. The article stated that the next XBox will be 6 times more powerful than the 360 and 20% more powerful than the Wii U. Meaning that the Wii U is 5 times more powerful than the 360. Read the articles you post correctly before you make trolling arguments like this.

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nickcarney

30. Posted:

I honestly couldn't care less. What is it that the best PC's can do now that the HD consoles can't? Just graphics. That is all that the next Xbox is going to have over the Wii U while the Wii U will have it's new controller and all the experiences that will bring to the table. If you care so much about graphics, just get a PC.

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nickcarney wrote:

I honestly couldn't care less. What is it that the best PC's can do now that the HD consoles can't? Just graphics. That is all that the next Xbox is going to have over the Wii U while the Wii U will have it's new controller and all the experiences that will bring to the table. If you care so much about graphics, just get a PC.

well deep integration with Windows 8 and windows phone is one. Apps being cross compatible between all of the platforms is great for developers. Alot of content deals that will bring in non gamers. I already have a tablet picking up another one later this year and other than a few tasks I can't see the need for a limited tablet use for the non gaming uses they showed. I

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32. Posted:

How about we discuss this stuff when we... you know, receive some actual information?

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Malkeor

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Viewtiful_Joe wrote:

How about we discuss this stuff when we... you know, receive some actual information?

Speculation is fun to argue about

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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217488p1.html

So no new Xbox in 2012. Also, this somehow amused me:

Delmas (from MS) also commented on the Wii U, which has already been confirmed to be coming this year. He says that Microsoft isn't looking to counter the Wii U directly.

"If we wanted to counter Nintendo, we would have to be in a position to release something immediately, and that is not at all the case," Delmas said. "We're not here to counter Nintendo and they're not here to fight the other manufacturers. Nintendo has put itself in a different cycle. It's going forward to its own rhythm, with success as we have seen with the Wii, and now it's their turn to present their innovation."

"Now it's their turn to present the innovation". It's like they openly admit that they're just waiting for Nintendo to do the base work by bringing new technology, and then rush to the market copying them.

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I don't understand how if Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all put out a system, the technologically weakest one is automatically a console generation older regardless of what time it was released. That doesn't really make sense to me. If we're going to speak logically, we could say that MAYBE (as this is all just simple speculation based on a 100% lack of verifiable fact) the Wii U will have the least horsepower of the next generation. That MIGHT be fair. But those 3 systems will be the next generation of systems until one is launched, at which point all three (released or otherwise) become current-generation. The PlayStation 3 and XBox 360 are at this moment current generation systems. At this moment the Nintendo Wii is also a current generation system. The previous generation systems are the XBox, the PlayStation 2, and the GameCube. Simply having the title of XBox or PlayStation attached onto your system doesn't make you newer or (as most people would like you to think) sent back from the future to support the gaming habits of the past. Commercially available XBoxes and PlayStations aren't "NEXT generation," and that's not something that's going to change with the 720 and the 4.

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@IZ

1.by what standard they aren't cheap. by the time the wii u launches those two will be considerably cheaper.

2. of course i don't know the price but simple logic would but it in the $300-$400 range.

3. By install base i mean people using it and the debs already developing for it. not to mention the plethora of games avaible.

4. lets be honest just because you have a plan doesn't mean its going to catch on. products like webos, the playbooks, and zune are great examples of that.

also using the power argument is somewhat poor when you consider there's no way to tally up the power of a system. and i never said power was a factor for the wii. the won off of competitive pricing and a unique thing. also power doesn't matter when your format sucks. as powerful the cube and n64 was they were both killed by a horrible format.

also you have to look at the facts the wii u is being launched more like a gamecube or dreamcast.

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PS3s are running for $250 now. I doubt they'll be considerably cheaper than $300-400. Plus you're comparing a new product to products that have been out for years now.

Again, Wii U has Nintendo franchises. Nothing to worry about there.

It's also about marketing and technique rather than simply luck. Sure not all products are successful, I still don't think it's sheer dumb luck that they succeed. You'd make Apple disappointed if you tried to argue that to them.

I don't grasp the idea of the Wii U's format "sucking" since we know very little of it. Power is a factor in some cases like the quality of games that are possible, though it isn't absolutely necessary for the best for some people.

Also, what do you mean it's going to be launched like a Gamecube or Dreamcast?

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GameLord08

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@bro2dragons: May the gaming gods bless you for that paragraph.

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I don't understand how if Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all put out a system, the technologically weakest one is automatically a console generation older regardless of what time it was released. That doesn't really make sense to me. If we're going to speak logically, we could say that MAYBE (as this is all just simple speculation based on a 100% lack of verifiable fact) the Wii U will have the least horsepower of the next generation. That MIGHT be fair. But those 3 systems will be the next generation of systems until one is launched, at which point all three (released or otherwise) become current-generation. The PlayStation 3 and XBox 360 are at this moment current generation systems. At this moment the Nintendo Wii is also a current generation system. The previous generation systems are the XBox, the PlayStation 2, and the GameCube. Simply having the title of XBox or PlayStation attached onto your system doesn't make you newer or (as most people would like you to think) sent back from the future to support the gaming habits of the past. Commercially available XBoxes and PlayStations aren't "NEXT generation," and that's not something that's going to change with the 720 and the 4.

I couldn't have put it any better. Next-gen is an oxymoron within itself :P

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Well that's obvious. The whole generation is just either fanboys bull or a funny little joke.

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