So you have no ways that Prime 2 is radically different? And we're ignoring the fact its universally recognized as being a sequel that just improved upon the previous game (ala Uncharted 1 and 2)..
Ok, and then we're also ignoring metacritic because it doesn't provide a 'scientific analysis'.
Ok, and then we're bringing up the PSP because the attempts to bash the PS3 have encountered issues.
Well I must say, I do believe you won this one. Nintendo has changed their games more over 20 years than Sony has in 4 years, Sony is not doing a great job of radically changing their car simulator (why can't those cars fly yet jeez), and when using your special criteria and scientific analysis, Nintendo barely beats Sony sometimes in scoring (while ignoring all other sites and criteria).
So you have no ways that Prime 2 is radically different? And we're ignoring the fact its universally recognized as being a sequel that just improved upon the previous game (ala Uncharted 1 and 2)..
New sound models, weapon effects, and art designs, the Screw Attack and wall jumping features, for some. It's really a completely different game.
Ok, and then we're also ignoring metacritic because it doesn't provide a 'scientific analysis'.
actually you're the one who's ignoring it. Metacritic did Publisher Rankings and finds Nintendo superior.
Ok, and then we're bringing up the PSP because the attempts to bash the PS3 have encountered issues.
No, it's because we're talking about companies, not consoles. Hint: Ocarina of Time is not a Wii game either. It's why it was mentioned. It's Nintendo. Also Pokemon, Advance Wars etc. Regardless of specific console. Nintendo's best reviewed games, again on Metacritic too, span all consoles.
It's easily the best title for GameCube this year, and while there's really not all that much new in terms of game mechanics, play style, and presentation, what you're ultimately left with is a rock-solid sequel that offers a bigger, harder, more rewarding challenge than the first game.
A much fuller, richer game than "Metroid Prime." That, combined with amazing level design, overcomes the sense of deja vu that permeates the title. [Jan 2004, p.134]
Easily lives up to its predecessor's outstanding degree of polish, while subtly enhancing some elements of story and mood. In terms of raw quality, disregarding legacy and innovation, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is easily one of the best titles on GameCube and of this entire generation.
Yes, entirely different game. I'm not sure why they even kept the same name!
actually you're the one who's ignoring it. Metacritic did Publisher Rankings and finds Nintendo superior.
That link you provided is for one year, and there are so many factors that go into their formula it is ridiculous. They include all games published, not developed by. They counted 'Kung Fu Rider' as being a Sony game.
This is the ownage you're claiming? That if you ignore the highest rated games on Metacritic, and include bad games not developed by Sony, then Nintendo wins? Despite having many higher ranked games? Ok then
No, it's because we're talking about companies, not consoles. Hint: Ocarina of Time is not a Wii game either. It's why it was mentioned. It's Nintendo. Also Pokemon, Advance Wars etc. Regardless of specific console. Nintendo's best reviewed games, again on Metacritic too, span all consoles.
We've been talking about consoles this whole time
Now you're shifting goal posts to the PSP because you're not having any luck with the PS3. If you want to compare Nintendo's and Sony's handheld efforts, knock yourself out. Won't be with me though because I don't follow either. We've been talking about console games this entire thread, you just keep shifting your position to avoid being wrong about anything.
I would still like to know how Sony is supposed to make each version of GT radically different. At least they radically change the physics involved in the game's mechanics. What does Mario Kart change every time? Characters, tracks? Ok GT does that. Online? GT had it a while ago. What else?
With Among Thieves, Naughty Dog has shattered the proverbial bar it created with the 2007 original. This is quite possibly the best game to have graced the PS3, and without a doubt one of the greatest titles ever conceived.
Oh noes, you used a Sony site. Yes, did the same with Metroid, but of course I'm sure Sony sites are super biased and Nintendo sites are fair and balanced..
Naughty Dog set out with a very specific goal in mind, and in focusing intently on that goal, they blew right past it. Uncharted 2 is a sublime example of how to make a great action game, the result of fantastic execution on every aspect of the game's design and development. It's the best, most memorable game I've played in a long, long time.
Uncharted 2 is simply a vast improvement over its predecessor, and it's a damn great PS3 game. Let's leave the "are games art?" question for another time; what Uncharted 2 proves is that games are, at the very least, craft. Just as Raiders is Spielberg at the top of his game, Uncharted 2 is Naughty Dog at the top of theirs, and further proof that they are masters of their craft. [Grade = A+]
While it may not re-invent anything, Naughty Dog makes it feel like something new thanks to their care for detail and wish to deliver a one-of-a-kind experience. If past PS3 exclusives such as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Killzone 2 set a foothold in the Playstation landscape, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves tops everything we've seen so far, whether it's a first or third-party title. I will not go as far to name it "Game of the Century" because it's a bold statement. However, it does take a spot on the short list of outstanding games that will be often copied but never reproduced.
OMG you're right, this game was JUST LIKE the previous one! Thankfully Nintendo fans don't have to deal with these repeated and monotonous games! Instead you get games like Prime 2, which has new sound effects, yay!
Its unrivaled presentation in particular sets the bar even higher than the Uncharted trilogy already did, and its writing, voice acting and layered gameplay combine to create what is very easily the game to beat for Game of the Year 2013.
This is the most ambitious project Naughty Dog has made so far. It's not a new genre, but it mixes up some of them to bring something unique. It's got nothing to do with Uncharted apart from the look some images may show, but still is one of the best games on PlayStation 3.
Yep, I am so thankful Nintendo's devs do not create games like these. These could really tarnish the Wii U's great image as a console with riveting stories and gameplay.
New sound models and weapon effects, really? Ok, we can go down this road as well.
Yes, entirely different game. I'm not sure why they even kept the same name!
You know, I kinda feel sorry for you because I'm not going to read these reviews. I'm not sure what's the point you're trying to make. Yeah, I know Naughty Dog made a good movie. Hey, here is an idea for you: try to make your own opinion! Here's one right in this thread:
That link you provided is for one year, and there are so many factors that go into their formula it is ridiculous. They include all games published, not developed by. They counted 'Kung Fu Rider' as being a Sony game.
oh wait, so Metacritic is accurate or not? LOL. Try not to contradict yourself every second.
We've been talking about consoles this whole time
Really? Oh you're right of course... I just played Uncharted on my Sony. Sony is a great console. I like the black Sony not the white Sony. Sony has a harddrive. What was I thinking? I will plug in my Nintendo. Strawman arguments. We never discussed consoles. Only Sony and Nintendo. They are companies. No seriously they are.
I don't know how you missed it really... it says it right there "Sony CORPORATION". A corporation is a company, not a console.
Now you're shifting goal posts to the PSP because you're not having any luck with the PS3. If you want to compare Nintendo's and Sony's handheld efforts, knock yourself out. Won't be with me though because I don't follow either. We've been talking about console games this entire thread, you just keep shifting your position to avoid being wrong about anything.
Ehhmmmm. No. Let's recap:
I showed you that Nintendo is generally superior to Sony in its Publisher Rankings. Up until then we were talking whether Nintendo or Sony has fresh IP's etc. IP is your favorite buzz word, you see.
You, defeated, decided to count, incorrectly, the number of games above 90 (why 90 no one knows) of the Wii and the PS3. This was the first time consoles were even mentioned. I explained to you that Sony as a company produces less stellar games, and not as you claimed - that it's constantly reviewed better. Those less stellar games many on the PS3 but also on its portable flops. You, defeated, were sad.
So you're going to ignore the fact many reviewers say Metroid Prime 2 is a similar experience. You're going to ignore the fact many reviewers say Uncharted 2 was a much improved experience (similarly to what they said about MP2)
You're going to ignore games actually produced by Sony and define their quality based on games they also published but had no role in making. You're going to ignore every other year, because they had that arbitrary number higher that year (despite acknowledging they were lower last year).
We've been talking about games evolving on consoles this entire time, but now you're going to ignore that and talk about the entire company. You're going to ignore the fact Nintendo's handheld history is much greater, and still compare its entire history to Sony's handhelds.
You're going to ignore all of the high quality games on the PS3 because Sony also publishes lesser quality titles for other developers and they bring down an imaginary number you follow. You're also going to ignore every high quality PS3 game because they release handheld games that aren't as great.
And you're going to do all of this while waving a victory flag. Only on NintendoLife, folks.
Gamestyle 100 To match such thrill-a-minute environments, the level design, puzzles, and boss fights are all insanely original.
Da Gameboyz 100 An amazing masterpiece that is unmatched by any Next-Gen game. The areas are put together flawlessly, the enemies are very cool and the bosses are few but amazing.
GameBiz 96 But if you throw away expectations of Metroid Prime: Volume 2, and instead think of it as Metroid: Echoes - a separate game - you'll realise that the changes Retro made are just as amazing as the transition to Gamecube was for the original.
No game this year casts its web with such distinct mood and sci-fi wonder.
and for uncharted 2...
GameZone The game has some repetition
LEVEL (Czech Republic) 90 Uncharted 2 shows what an interactive movie should look like
Gamers.at critics might say that Uncharted 2 doesn't do anything new.
So I post the entire summary, and you post three words. And then accuse me of a strawman. Even then, this does nothing but reaffirm the fact both games were similar but improved upon their sequels.
Ok, I should be less harsh on your contradictions and nonsense. I'm still confused. Is Metacritic good now or bad? Is Naughty Dog a company that Sony acquired and now publishes its games, or a developer, or... wait, so original developer somehow but crappy publisher... right, you make a lot of sense. The things Sony developed are beta max and mini discs, no?
So I will give you the last word. Go ahead, make me giggle again.
Uncharted 2 96
LittleBigPlanet 95
The Last of Us 95
God of War III 92
Uncharted 3 92
Journey 92
Ico & SOTC Collection 92
LittleBigPlanet 2 91
MLB The Show 2010 91
God of War Collection 91
Killzone 2 91
MLB The Show 2011 90
MLB The Show 2009 90
Wipeout HD Fury 89
Ratchet and Clank ToD 89
Uncharted 88
Heavy Rain 87
MLB The Show 2012 87
Wipeout HD 87
Flower 87
Pixeljunk Shooter 87
Ratchet and Clank: ACIT 87
Resistance: FoM 86
Pixeljunk Eden Encore 86
The Sly Collection 85
Super Stardust HD 85
Infamous 85
Motorstorm 84
God of War Origins Collection 84
Killzone 3 84
Gran Turismo 5 84
Warhawk 84
Pixeljunk Monsters 83
Resistance 3 83
Ratchet and Clank Collection 83
Infamous 2 83
Modnation Racers 82
Motorstorm PR 82
Echochrome 81
Jak and Daxter Collection 81
God of War Ascension 80
(Left out another three Pixeljunk games)
Galaxy 97
Galaxy 2 97
Twilight Princess 95
Brawl 93
Skyward Sword 93
Xenoblade 92
Metroid Prime Trilogy 91
Metroid Prime 3 90
New Super Mario Bros Wii 87
Donkey Kong Country Returns 87
Sin and Punishment 87
Kirby's Epic Yarn 86
Fluidity 86
Punch Out 86
Maboshi's Arcade 85
Super Paper Mario 85
WarioWare Smooth Moves 83
Rhythm Heaven Fever 83
Mario Kart Wii 82
Art Style 82
Kirby's Dream Collection 82
Wii Sports Resort 80
Wii Fit Plus 80
Wii Fit 80
(This includes everything)
These are games published, using your own rules. I know this was a grand waste of time, but if you're still sticking to the idea of Nintendo being a vastly greater publisher in quality and quantity, there's not much I can do to help your disillusionment.
And since you want to laugh, I'll throw in what the GT series should add according to your logic.
That alone looks like a much better game lol.
I know I know, I said it would be my last post, SORRY, but how can anyone take you seriously? Your have OCD'd compiled meaningless lists - newsflash - Nintendo has long past the Wii and already has a new generation, and what does "its console" mean? So the 3DS is not a console? DS? What is a console. A rose by any other name. LOL.
But seriously, I'm just looking at your list, I don't see Wii Sports, I don't see that other Kirby game, Kirby Return to DreamLand, I don't see Fire Emblem, Mario Tennis New Control, DK New Control, 2 Pikmin new controls, I don't see WarioLand, I don't see a whole other bunch of stuff, I don't even see Metroid Other M (were you drunk when you wrote that list? ) so excuse me for doubting anything you say. Your list is as always incorrect. And with that I bid you farewell Snoopy.
Nintendo has long past the Wii and already has a new generation
Okay. If you subtract the games since the Wii U has launched, the PS3 still wins. This doesn't help you.
and what does "its console" mean? So the 3DS is not a console? DS? What is a console. A rose by any other name. LOL.
A console and a handheld are different. They're both systems and platforms, but the 3DS is not a console. This is a widely accepted usage of the term, seriously go look it up.
But seriously, I'm just looking at your list, I don't see Wii Sports, I don't see that other Kirby game, I don't see WarioLand, I don't see a whole other bunch of stuff, so excuse me for doubting anything you say. Your list is as always incorrect. And with that I bid you farewell Snoopy.
My list is incorrect because those games didn't score highly enough to make the list?
I'm sorry, would you like me to expand the list for these lesser quality titles and include some more Sony games as well?
Is it just me or has there been way more fanboy fights lately around here? Post E3 effect or something? Can't we use our time for something more fun and mature (that goes for both sides)? People have different opinions, you can't list Metacritic and tell someone that one company is bether.
Is it just me or has there been way more fanboy fights lately around here? Post E3 effect or something?
Yes I am a raging Sony fanboy, using statistics and actual data to say one company isn't vastly superior over the other, like people would like me to believe.
People have different opinions, you can't list Metacritic and tell someone that one company is bether.
Oh good lord
Someone used MC to say Nintendo was the better publisher. I used the site to show Sony has just as many, and actually more, highly quality games that it publishes.
Using MC is far more rational than blindly believing Nintendo is vastly superior because everyone tells me its true.
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS! I have an idea. HOW ABOUT we all hold hands and sing together? Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC, and whatever else you may be, lets all stop fighting and be bestest pals. It ain't easy being a Nintendo fan, it ain't easy being a PS fan, and it CERTAINLY ain't easy being a X-Box fan (right now).
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