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Topic: Sorry Nintendo home consoles, I'm done with you. (My top 10 Nintendo Exclusives of all-time)

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61. Posted:

Stop making so much groovy sense there mr.buck man.

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FOREST_RANGER wrote:

Eh. I really don't know, but I just wanted to give advice :P

Thanks for this well thought out post, I appreciate it.

There definitely is a hard balance to find between being patient enough to allow people to realize what you're saying, yet forceful enough to not allow them to put words in your mouth. I think part of the problem is that there is a lot of younger users on this site and its difficult to convey a point across to them.

For instance the other day I commented on how Nintendo might be more profitable if they made games for android and ios under under the assumption their games would stand out. Several people told me their games would be lost in a sea of worthless apps, and said that I was trolling Nintendo. I couldn't get them to understand, if anything, I was complementing them and they were trolling. lol. Come to find out, I check their profile, and they are 14/15. Not that having younger users is a bad thing (that's what this site wants) but there will always be issues like this when someone tries to get a somewhat complex point across.

Then there are the users that constantly tell me I'm trolling Nintendo and that I'm wasting so much time here (while claiming to hate negativity. lol), regardless of me not saying anything negative and posting here a couple days every several months. I'm afraid I don't have an excuse for those people, they are in for a long life of misunderstanding. lol

Thanks though for the post, I'll strive towards conveying my point a bit more efficiently, and maybe even play around with that positive reinforcement thing. ; )

Edit: On a side note, the moderators on this site do a good job of separating the people that are actually trolling from the people that stand behind a point and just get called trolls. I particularly like this thread (which may be useful for some here). They're unbiased approach to moderating is good for the site.

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This is the b****iest thread I've ever seen. I'm gonna be playing the games in those pics, plus more.
Whoever dislikes Nintendo, please leave Nintendo Life, or explain why you still continue to visit the entirety of this site.
Coming on a Nintendo forum to complain about Nintendo when there are 2 other consoles is spiteful to say the least. You're not helping the Nintendo community by trolling, and the site of which ever console you prefer is probably wondering where you are.

No one here is complaining and no one here has to be in absolute love with Nintendo to comment and join in on discussions. I've been accused for hating Nintendo and being an absolute trollish fiend in the last three years, than I have been complimented for constructive criticism. In other words, being honest.

There are many people who regular this site for specific reasons. Those reasons include discussing retro games, adding friend codes, reading/commenting on news articles, joining the chat room, partaking in specific (game, other gaming) discussions, and so many more. This is a Nintendo site, but everyone has the right to criticize Nintendo's decisions, games, and other offerings just as much as others have the right to praise it.

Oh, and calling someone a troll for sharing their opinion(s), is childish. (This post is not solely directed at you Scar.)

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64. Posted:

FOREST_RANGER wrote:

. Overall, it lies in people's opinions. What really matters is that Sony (and to some limited extent Microsoft) have their own IPs that can compete with Nintendo.

Inaccurate unfortunately.

Mario Kart Wii 34.01 million
New Super Mario Bros. Wii 27.61 million
Super Mario Galaxy 11.72 million
Super Smash Bros. Brawl 11.49 million
Little Big Planet : 3 Million
Sony Smash Bros.: Less than a million, if any.

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FOREST_RANGER wrote:

. Overall, it lies in people's opinions. What really matters is that Sony (and to some limited extent Microsoft) have their own IPs that can compete with Nintendo.

Inaccurate unfortunately.

Mario Kart Wii 34.01 million
New Super Mario Bros. Wii 27.61 million
Super Mario Galaxy 11.72 million
Super Smash Bros. Brawl 11.49 million
Little Big Planet : 3 Million
Sony Smash Bros.: Less than a million, if any.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to quality and number of IPs.

PS3 games sold just fine though considering the difference in hardware sales. GT5 sold nearly 11 million, in addition to nearly 5 million for Prologue. The Uncharted games were all around or above 5 million. Sony's IPs aren't meant to appeal to absolutely everyone so its unreasonable to expect them to reach Mario Kart sales.

Which is likely a good thing for consumers, since Sony isn't afraid to push out a completely new IP like Infamous, LittleBigPlanet, or The Last of Us (which had a terrific launch) while Nintendo is hesitant to try anything new because they know some of these games are a guaranteed 10 million plus and spending resources in other areas (like Wii Music) might not yield the same results.

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Well I can't be sure what he meant but they obviously cannot compete.
And yeah Gran Turismo "add number here" sure is trying new stuff. You're right, it's the only Sony IP which sold more than 10 million (even during the PS2 age so the hardware excuse does not work) and that is, ultimately, a pretty pathetic effort. Nintendo has a lot of 10 million sellers, I only mentioned a random few.

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You are comparing main IPs from Nintendo over a 20 year span to main IPs from Sony over a 6 year span, one of which a racing game? Surely you understand how horribly inaccurate and biased that is. That is equivalent to me using Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2 to show how little Mario has progressed, while comparing it to game made in 1995 versus a game made in 2010. And how do you expect them to monumentally change each GT game? lol

The Uncharted series was a brand new trilogy for this gen that was pretty much universally loved, and you're using this as a negative. lol. Yes, they really milk those brand new IPs before they move on to other brand new IPs.

At least you have your sales. I'm sure that makes your Wii games much more enjoyable knowing they sell a lot.

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So you are saying Killzone/Uncharted/Gran Turisimo 17 will look different? Not making sense. Of course Nintendo been there for longer, that's one reason why they're better. How many years passed between Wind Waker and Twilight Princess? They're vastly different. Same for Prime3 vs. Metroid Other M. Always trying new stuff, new takes.

Yeah people tend to generally like good stuff. Lots of people said that Smash Bros was awesome and voted not to play the ripoff. It's the way these things work. Don't catch me on this but I think Sony even attempted a Kart clone. I hear it sold 10 copies.

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Of course the GT games are going to look vastly similar with minor updates each time. Do you expect Sony to just leap into the future of graphics and physics and produce an entirely new game way ahead of its time?

Of course not. Just like Madden cannot be vastly different every time. It progresses along with technology, there's no vastly changing a simulator without a subsequent vast change in available technology.

As for the rest, I'm not even sure what you're going on about. Nintendo is better because they've been making games longer? Okay, not everyone shares your opinion there. Personally, I like the fact Sony has developers that can make one of the highest scoring trilogies of all time, and then produce an equally terrific new IP. I like the fact Sony covers just about every genre (including those covered by Nintendo). Games like LittleBigPlanet are relatable to Nintendo franchises but vastly different. There's no comparing the online sharing and creation abilities in LBP to what SMG does well, they're completely different. If you like one more than the other (apparently because it sells more) that's terrific, but you're not going to get far arguing that Nintendo consistently brings out more new and fresh ideas than the competition. Especially when Sony franchises generally receive a much better reception among critics, and enjoy a higher number of critically acclaimed new IPs each gen.

Edit: In response to your edit, there is no Uncharted 17. You seem to be taking the fact that Sony produced a great trilogy within a gen, and using that as a negative. Oh no, thankfully Nintendo doesn't produce a ton of high scoring trilogies in a short amount of time..

Also, Killzone is another poor comparison. Killzone is a FPS and is therefore tech and story dependent. Expecting that sort of game to have the same variety as a platformer, especially when you use platformers separated by nearly twenty years, is just ridiculous. You use Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, when ironically many Nintendo fans complained TP was just like Ocarina of Time. All of the Metroid Prime games looked a like, are they just like Killzone?

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70. Posted:

That was a terrible abomination ;)
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Tomba! for the PS1 had so much promise, but sony completely abandoned what could of been one of their greatest mascots. Much more so than Jack & Dexter and that ratchet & Clank sh**.
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But yea, the majority of sony exclusives have no real variety in art direction. It's basically all about trying to achieve more realistic graphics with every sequal and more detail while typically offering a simular experience to the last. The only Nintendo series that i can think of that are just as bad are NSMB(DS, Wii, 2, U), and maybe 'modern' mario kart. Still, Sony wasn't around during the 8-16 bit era...It would of been pretty interesting to see something like Jack & Dexter and Tomba in 8-16 bit form.

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That's one of the reasons I'm not too fond of Sony. Almost none of their mascots really come back. Crash Bandicoot? Nope, they sold him. Parappa? Never heard from him again. MediEvil? No. Jak & Daxter? No. Ratchet & Clank? Yes, but nearly every game is bland and short. Twisted Metal? Didn't seem to make such a huge comeback, it just sorta came out and I never heard anyone talk about it. God of War & Killzone are the only ones that seems to come back again and again. That's why I fear for IPs of the PS3 generation like LittleBigPlanet & Uncharted. I feel like this may be the last time we see them again. :(

And I'm not saying they should continuously come back with new games like crazy. I would just like it if they were at least remembered and not just buried and ignored by Sony when the new IPs arrive.

Keep in mind I do like Sony games. I have a PS3 and plan on getting a PS4 so I can get Sony games & Nintendo games on my Wii U & 3DS, best of both worlds!

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73. Posted:

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Of course the GT games are going to look vastly similar with minor updates each time. Do you expect Sony to just leap into the future of graphics and physics and produce an entirely new game way ahead of its time?

Graphics have nothing to do with it. They could have made Uncharted look and play different, same with Gran Turisimo.

Super Mario Bros. looks and plays similar to NSMB U even though one is 8 bit and one is freakin' HD. But Super Mario 64, Super Mario 3D Land, the Super Mario Galaxies, Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario and so on are different takes. In essence, they're so different it's ALL new "IP" which is just a meaningless buzzword. There's nothing new in creating another Zombie shooter game. It's not a new concept. There's nothing different if it's called Uncharted or Tomb Raider. It's about trying different approaches.

Games like Fifa looking the same every year are unimaginative. Fifa 1996 looks like Fifa 2013 with better graphics. But on the Wii games tried something different. For example if you take on a different perspective - the coach or the player, with a different control scheme. That is something new.

Nintendo has been there longer so it is more well known to the general public, and has stronger IP, there your buzz word, that has very little to do with anything.

Publisher Rankings show that Nintendo is usually ranked higher than Sony on metacritic. Last year it was a bit below, but usually higher. No Sony game has reached the heights of Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2 or Ocarina of Time in critic reception. In 2010, Nintendo was ranked 2nd (!) and Sony was pathetically ranked 7th. http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for... In fact, most Sony franchises are not getting that good scores, the recent God of War showed that the reviewers are tired of the same ol' thing I guess.

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Of course the GT games are going to look vastly similar with minor updates each time. Do you expect Sony to just leap into the future of graphics and physics and produce an entirely new game way ahead of its time?

Graphics have nothing to do with it. They could have made Uncharted look and play different, same with Gran Turismo..

You're kidding. lol

It was a trilogy. Why would the first game be very different than the third game if the story was connected? Did you want Drake to become a rock star saving the planet from overgrown kittens taking over the world in a platformer?

Were you also upset Metroid Prime 1 was not radically different than Metroid Prime 2?

And what in the world do you want them to do with Gran Turismo? lol. Its a racing simulator. Do you want them to make cars drive differently than they do in real life? This is like the pinnacle of Nintendo fanboyism, saying Sony games are all alike because their racing simulator never dramatically deviates from being a racing simulator. lol

I almost think you're just doing this to screw with me.

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So you are saying that there will not be an Uncharted 4 that will look exactly the same? Okay.
Prime 1 WAS radically different than Prime 2.
I don't know what they can do with GT because I don't care.

In case you missed it:
Publisher Rankings show that Nintendo is usually ranked higher than Sony on metacritic. Last year it was a bit below, but usually higher. No Sony game has reached the heights of Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2 or Ocarina of Time in critic reception. In 2010, Nintendo was ranked 2nd (!) and Sony was pathetically ranked 7th. http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for... In fact, most Sony franchises are not getting that good scores, the recent God of War showed that the reviewers are tired of the same ol' thing I guess.

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dumedum wrote:

. There's nothing new in creating another Zombie shooter game. It's not a new concept. There's nothing different if it's called Uncharted or Tomb Raider. It's about trying different approaches..

Have you read any reviews for The Last of Us? If that's the sort of experience you're using as a negative for Sony, there's not much I can do here.

Yes, be thankful Nintendo doesn't have a similar experience. Would hate for such a highly regarded (even praised as an emotional, story driven experience) game be forced upon Nintendo fans because its 'just like Tomb Raider'.

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actually the experience of metroid prime 2 WAS radically different :)

And yeah TP did have a similar structure like Ocarina of time, but that's to blame on the fans for wanting a Ocarina remake.

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Silent Hill 1 PSX - Awesome
Silent Hill 2 PS2 - Better than awesome
Silent Hill 3 PS2 - Awesome
Silent Hill 4 PS2 - Alright but not as good
Silent Hill Homecoming PS3 - Poop fest
Silent Hill Downpour PS3 - Poop and snooze fest
Silent Hill HD Collection PS3 - Let's not go there shall we... What were Konami thinking?

I still have my PS2 underneath a pile of debris somewhere so I can play the classics though ;)

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Yeah, we get it. Naughty Dog (you do know that Sony only acquired this 1986 founded company in 2001 right?) received great scores on their recent movie, sorry, game.
God of War though stank.
Nintendo meanwhile released vastly different games of different IPs for amazing reviews: Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion. That's variety for you.

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But you know this isn't the NES days anymore where there was like 1 place to go for the complete gaming experience.

That is only a good sign I guess. I just choose Nintendo because I like their games the most, easy as that right? what is the problem again?

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