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Anti-Matter

@NEStalgia
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I saw the White Xbox 360 Slim was Exist.
What version of this box ?

Btw, the reason why did i look for USA version because.... i ONLY Care for Dance Dance Revolution Universe 1 - 3 (Definetely MUST in USA version due to song list preference), Little League World series Baseball 2010 (perhaps), Kinect games (Dance Evolution, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sport vol 1 & 2, etc).
I'm looking for Casual rated Everyone games but not too Cheesy, not too Western, not too Weird.

Here are the games i have interest for XBOX 360.
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I'm not really sure about these games, but somehow i still curious...
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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Yeah, I don't exactly know why. Can't pinpoint it if my life depended on it. But even in real life, I sometimes screw up, like walking out of a store and wanting to take a right turn, instead of a left, to actually walk further along in the direction that I was supposed to go...

And to some extent, I also have the bearings issues in first person shooters, when things get too frantic, in which case I sort of spin out of control with the whole twin stick control thing, I can't see where I am anymore and I ultimately end up backing into walls WAY too close to a thrown grenade or a sniper or I fall of a cliff or something similar...

Which is also why I only play online with friends, because they more or less take that into account, whereas anonymous multi-players will just use that to prey on you even more.

But I wouldn't compare rail grinding to racing. Of course you're on a track, but your not stuck to it, and it doesn't have these annoying and instant camera perspective switches, that games such as Sunset Overdrive have, which for example actually makes me instantly glide back over the exact same rail that I just came from, making me look like a human Yo-yo...

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NEStalgia

@redd214 It's the Capcom streaming story thread from the other day. In his case it's about somehow the dominance of streaming probably killing off consoles but PC would then thrive rather than streaming killing off PC gaming hardware (if the publishers go streaming-only.) Equating the fact that server builds are PC builds the'd then be more likely to sell PC versions....ignoring the whole point of the business model is to NOT do that and lock everyone into recurring subs (so the investors can drool out both sides of their mouths simultaneously.) He's kind of fixating on the notion that I said that a move to all streaming wouldn't just end consoles but would also effectively kill the PC gaming hardware industry (and thus net the publishers very powerful enemies in Intel/AMD/nVidia+Sony/MS/Nintendo) and assuring me that people still need PCs for productivity and phones are basically PCs therefore PC gaming is fine It's one of those conversations I've stopped trying to add sense and restate that we're talking past each other and just walk away from, which I hate doing.

As for streaming itself, the laws of physics prevent it from being quality. Even streaming over a LAN kind of sucks let alone internet. Some people are reporting good results with nVidia's new streaming beta (PS Now is gross), but of course they must be located near the datacenter. When competitive gamers use wired controlers because the 1-2ms latency of a wired controller is too much, 200+ms latency (round trip, so 400ms from rendering for you to see the image and then your input to return to them.) ain't going to be fun. Streaming video is buffered up to a few SECONDS minimum. I have wonderful low latency internet....to the ISP. But once it leaves the ISP to get to the streaming servers all bets are off in "the cloud". I mean, that's the entire point of Game Pass....streaming sucks and nobody buys PS Now. Yeah MS is introducing streaming too, but I loved the presntation "Yeah soon you'll get console quality gaming streamed to any device hey look at NX...errr new XBox which is waaay better! "

I get the point of cloud streaming as an option for people not into gaming enough to spend the up front cost of entry on hardware but want to mess with it. But the industry has been talking in absolute terms that the future is streaming, down with dedicated hardware! And that's just bizarre thinking. Sure, pay for 3 months and play Fifa or Madden, or the latest Assassin's Creed if you're not into it enough to spend $200 on a 1S or PS4......but the notion it'll actually replace the PS6/XBox Threeie (as Yves Guillemot said) is insanity.

Gaming remains the absolute worse use of cloud/streaming I could possibly think of. It's not a limitation of technology that gets in the way, it's a limitation of natural physics. Until we can fold space-time, it's just not going to be the same quality. You don't try to fly across the Pacific in a train, and you don't try to instantaneously react to a moment in a video over the cloud. That's with ideal internet. Now move to the 80% of the world (heck just the US alone...) that doesn't have ideal internet. I think publishers are banking on the internet being magically "great" by then....but these publishers need a trip to Comcast Tower before coming to that conclusion.

@Anti-Matter Interesting, yeah it was a limited edition, so if you see one in the wild, it will be very expensive since it's kind of semi "collectible." It was never a basic model.

And also, yes, most of those games aren't on the BC list, so you'll need real 360 hardware, not a One. The catch is: You'll either have to pick up a black console bundle, pick up an RROD prone white model (if it's Jasper based it should be safe, but finding that specific model used will be challenging.) or an expensive white Slim limited edition which may be difficult to locate.) Or I guess buy it in black and mod the case white? I think I remember you doing some controller mods so that might not be a big deal for you. You can actually paint in straight lines....I can't

@ThanosRexxx Haha, well I think in frantic shooters everyone does that...it's designed to do that to you. I have a good sense of direction and even I end up there more often than I'd like Then again my FPS skill was raised on Quake on PC where "mouse flick" was standard (before lasers, we had ball mice.....and used the trick where you flick it hard and the ball still rolls while you lift and reset the mouse....so that screen would spin....and you learn to stop it on the dime I wasn't the best at it but it sure got me used to knowing the timing of where my turn will end up. Cover shooters drive me crazy though (looking at you, Gears.)

Nice thing with Overdrive, is you're actually SUPPOSED to do the human yo-yo thing

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redd214

@NEStalgia ahh gotcha. Like I said I personally don't have issues with game streaming Mainly because of where i live. Verizon (one of if not the largest telecoms in the US) has a headquarters literally 8 minutes from my house so we have really above average Internet quality. As I know that's not the case for majority of gamers I don't see streaming being a viable option for everyone for a long LONG time if ever. I've tried ps now on a couple of occasions and didn't have any issues with it. I played a lot of Dirt 3 online with it and had no issues with lag or latency at all and that was years ago. Like you said, it's a great option but certainly shouldn't be the main one.

In terms of getting a pc/laptop, the main motivation for a new one is for my kids so they have something robust to do homework on. Gaming on it is kind of a secondary objective tbh. That's one of the reasons I'm kind of back and forth. Do I get a stout gaming pc that can do both or get an S and get a slightly above average desktop for them to use. Never really been into gaming on pcs but at the same time wouldn't have to buy new peripherals or go "simpler" route and just add more stuff/clutter to the house lol. 1st world problems I know, we are very blessed ūüėā

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NEStalgia

@redd214 The trouble with game streaming is: It only removes one barrier if you have a 4ms ping to your telecom. The telecom still has to get to Sony/Ubisoft/EA/2k's servers....which may be 3 states away. Or on the opposite coast. And to get there, the main trunk from Manhattan may be at traffic capacity, and slow, or you may get routed through the S/E connection, either way cutting some mountains over long winding trails. Bottom line is, It's 3-10MS over fiber from you to the telco. But from the telco to the game server (and back again) may be way worse. Packets get dropped. your jump may route through NY and the sierra-nevada, but your "activate landing control" pressed 2s later may get routed through Dallas. Meanwhile a wireless controller is near-instant. It works well enough for walking simulators. Nobody would complain playing Life is Strange over a stream. I don't think I'd want to play CoD, For Honor, or Sushi Striker that way It's possible Sony has a NY datacenter though so you may get relatively local access to it. I can just imagine Ubisoft opening (or paying Amazon/MS to run) servers in every city in the world The biggest thing I've noticed with PS Now is the compression. It's like watching freaking youtube on a 1995 PC, with the resolution drops and compression. And it's definitely on their end, not mine. They lowered the price which makes it more tempting, but of course for now sub services are mostly legacy games that I've already bought for $15 or less

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redd214

@NEStalgia I'll be honest I don't know what most of that even means lol all I can say is that my limited personal experience with game streaming hasn't been bad. Playing racing, action, fighting games I don't remember ever thinking it's too laggy to be viable (for me)

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ThanosReXXX

NEStalgia wrote:

Nice thing with Overdrive, is you're actually SUPPOSED to do the human yo-yo thing

Maybe, but more than likely not on the same rail the whole time...
Guess it's just not my kinda game, then. I'm also not gonna try anymore either. Running and jumping towards aliens, instead of from them half of the time, just annoys the living daylights out of me, destroying any pleasure I might experience in playing it.

And I can get disoriented in ANY first person shooter, so I didn't mean only frantic ones, but simply in frantic situations, which can happen in any shooter, in online multi-player. That's probably also why I don't play Battle Royale games. Too many people at the same damn time...

As for Gears of War: no problems for me there, whatsoever. In fact, I'm pretty darn good at those kinds of games. Come to think of it, that might be due to the difference in perspective, albeit only for shooters, since with third person rail gliders, I don't do nearly as good...

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NEStalgia

@redd214 I'd bet one of Sony's datacenters is pretty near you then. That's not a common experience...enjoy it!

@ThanosReXXX Interesting, yeah for me the cover shooters like gears, I end up losing track of cover. Uncharted I do ok since it's more like a Hogan's Alley shooting gallery, but Gears and such I do lose track of position. It amazes me just how easy it is to die in Gears.

Overdrive is definitely experimental. There are times I think the grinding mechanic doesn't work as well/reliably as it ought to with the hordes. And I run out of ammo WAAAY too much. And it does get old just trying to stay in motion all the time....But there's enough cool/arcade/Jet Set Radio mixed with Ratchet & Clank/Doom/Left4Dead to keep me enthralled

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia You mentioning running out of ammo suddenly reminded of why my head couldn't keep up with the controls in even more ways than just the camera and rails: also having to keep a steady aim, while doing all that, which is even more frustrating, and for me personally, a possible reason to send controllers flying into walls...

Now, we wouldn't want that to happen, now would we? Even with the bog-standard Xbox One controller...

From the looks of it, we do have to play a bit of Gears soon, though...

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX LOL, yeah....I don't have too big a problem with keeping the aim (then again I have that awesome wired Razer controller. Coincidence? but it does get you seasick after a while

That's another good argument for good wired controllers though. If you rage-throw it, you won't hadouken your TV.

After playing Mario Tennis: Aces single player, no other game is rage inducing by comparison. The plastic of my controller was stressing and probably turning white.: P

Haha, yeah, I'm still trying to get a handle on the gameplay loop of gears. I didn't play much (it's the remastered version of 1)....it's cool....but dang is that hard! I've been playing XBox games like 20 minutes at a time lately just to try them all out and see what they're like (I went crazy on the sale...I have like 72 XBox games now between that sale, the few weeks before, bundles, BC, GamePass, etc. (Sonic & Knuckles, on the closest thing to a Sega console....that's cool ) Switch is my "main" platform for now...I like playing outdoors with my Nintendo handhelds whenever I can, so that takes priority when the weather is nice

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Wired controllers? No, these were even worse. My N64 is full of scrapes and scratches, due to controller abuse, and don't get me started on broken internals on the cables themselves...

I try to keep my anger in check, though. It's not good in general, bur especially not for me, since it used to be a real problem for me, half a lifetime ago, but I managed to overcome it. But it's only contained, not gone...

Either way, not having to crawl under all types of furniture to try and find my rechargeable batteries, is also a good incentive to not throw the controller...

But ehm... 72 games? All voluntarily bought or do you also count Games with Gold games? I do have more, seeing as I have already been collecting free Xbox One games for over two years now, even though I didn't have one yet, but I knew I was going to get it eventually, so might as well start to collect the free games while we were at it, no?

So, as a result, I had an instant library once the One was up and running in the House of Thanos...
Sad thing is that back then, I saw myself putting just as much time in it as I have done with the Xbox 360, but I also started my business two years ago, and ever since then, I just haven't found as much time for gaming as I used to. I'm actually glad and content to just sit and relax in front of the TV, once the working day is done and I've finished my evening meal.

So, gaming is mostly for the weekends, on Fridays and Saturdays, and sometimes a Sunday, but not too long, because we have to get up in the morning again for the next working week...

And when the weather is nice, I don't game at all. I just go biking, walking, or sitting on a terrace with a cold beer or a cuba libre...

Right now, I'm watching the Soccer World Championship, so that means even less time for gaming, what with the three matches a day in the last two weeks, and the double matches since today. And at the end of the month, I'll also be spending my time with other activities, because then, my pre-ordered NES Classic Mini arrives, which I'll need to hack, obviously, to complement the library until it is completely to my personal taste...

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NEStalgia

Haha, my NES and SNES gear survived some abuse back in the day, that's for sure!

That includes GwG, and GamePass games (though not many of those yet.) Mostly it's outright bought games, but few for over $20 (and several were bundles of 3 games or so in there like NFS.) But I pre-paid for 3 years of Game Pass at half price, so I get to keep those for some time It includes some 360 BC games too. And a number of re-buys I had on PS4 before I knew I was getting a 1 but would much rather have on the X1. I pretty much caught up on everything from the past 5 years that interests me for 80% off

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I just discovered Halo: ODST's campaign is available as $5 DLC for the MCC!! Awesome, that for some reason is my favorite Halo!

@ThanosReXXX I take it back, the wired controller actually has a magnetic break-away cable....so you'd still hadouken your TV. Ah well!

Also, Horizon 3, I fear I should not have picked the Bimmer. No wonder everyone on the roads with a blue BMW drives like a maniac, the things handle like a walrus on skates (And I don't mean the "Orange Crush" ), they're not reckless, they're just only barely in control. "German engineering." Pfft. I finished 12th in one of those random races, then finished 3rd on retrying. Had a satisfying "run through the dirt, take out some signposts, and knock everyone away from the outside left, more than slightly forcibly" chasing through the pack. Like a true blue Bimmer owner on the way to the doggie daycare.

Got to my first "festival" you have to unlock by winning other races (I spent 3 sessions in the customization garage not understanding how to start the race....then figured out I couldn't yet.)

One thing I'm confused about: One big feature they showcased for Horizon 4 is that it's shared world and the other cars are players too, like The Crew. But....I realized during my race that there were gamertags above the other cars....and in the open world, I saw plenty of gamertags going by....so if they're in 3, what's special about 4? Or are these just "ghosts", AIs using real player names for scoring purposes?

Edit: I also discovered that after buying the season pass, Hot Wheels downloaded but Blizzard Mountain inexplicably didn't. I had to grab it manually. No biggie but I may have never noticed I was missing what I paid for!

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Dezzy

Cool video IGN did comparing Forza Horizon 4 to real-life locations.

(in which we indirectly learn that Edinburgh is going to be in the game- which is awesome- Edinburgh is my 2nd favourite city in the UK, after Bath)

Converted from Sony to Nintendo during 7th gen and never looked back.

ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Break-away cable? Yeah, NOW they do. A couple of generations too late for my poor N64...

I'm seriously beginning to doubt your racing skills, though. I actually won quite a few races with the BMW.
I selected the standard white one (M4), and selected the black and orange decal/cover set for it. Was my standard car for quite a few races. But maybe it's because I already played the previous Forza Horizon games, in which case I should give you the benefit of the doubt, because then it's just about getting more used to how cars control in Forza Horizon.

Oh, and I do believe it's called a Beemer, not a bimmer. Beemer as in: Bee-Em-Double You...

I think you're correct on the tags: those are ghosts from other players. (EDIT: Drivatars aren't ghosts, obviously)
I even came across one of my friend's gamer tags, even though he wasn't online at the time. But I also remember reading that it is a mix of the two. They call them "Drivatars", as in avatars of your gamer tag, driving around in the world, even if you're not there. It's AI making your car drive around without you at the wheel, and it's supposed to be more incentive for competitive gameplay. As in: "I want to beat that total stranger's computer-controlled car"...

Too bad that you yourself don't get any experience points for letting your AI-abused car beat someone else...

But it can obviously also happen that multiple people are playing the same game, at the same time, in which case, you could meet a real person, depending on where he or she is on the map. If I remember correctly, you can only communicate in-game with horns (or pressing X) when it concerns computer-controlled cars, and when it's real people that are in the game at the same time, then there's obviously an option for voice chat.

Since I don't own Horizon 4, I have no idea if the Drivatars have returned, but if not, then that might be the main difference in online play, so you'd only be coming across and racing against actual people online. But perhaps someone else can shed some light on that specific question of yours.

As for the expansion: you wouldn't have to worry about forgetting it, since (as I mentioned before) it will automatically unlock at a certain number of opened festivals, so if you would still not have downloaded the expansion by then, the game would automatically prompt you to do so, when you've opened enough festivals and you reach the destination on the map where the expansion is supposed to be.

@Dezzy Here's some more of that, and some first-hand details from one of the developers himself, during the Inside Xbox segment after the main presentation at this year's E3:

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Grumblevolcano

@NEStalgia ODST being DLC for MCC in 2015 is one of the big reasons why lots of people are hoping for ODST Firefight and Reach to be added after the base MCC is fixed. The concept of 1 place for all your pre-XB1 FPS Halo content.

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Okay, seems I was only half right about the Drivatars. The concept actually DOES gain you rewards under certain circumstances, such as "hiring" Drivatars from other people you know, which means that once you've done that, the points they themselves gain from then on, will also be rewarded to you.

And there's more, but I'll just leave this link here, instead of making another text wall:
https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst64372_Drivata...

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX Yeah, you should doubt my racing skills, I'm not a racing buff Last racer I played was either NFS Rivals on PS4 launch or NFS Most Wanted on WiiU launch window But dang that Beeeeeeeeemer is swishy. (Yeah, I usually say Beemer as well, but it seems to have become a slang around here to use "Bimmer" (even mod shops are using that now on ads)....which to me just sounds that much more absurd....so I abuse it whenever I can. Nothing quite says "pretentious d-bag" like a blue Bimmer. (except maybe a silver Audi, for those that are too hipster and choose something different, ironically...) Obviously it's a bit different in perception on your side of the pond, naturally. But here it remains the vehicular equivalent of aviators and leather bomber jackets

@Dezzy The Real Life Engine one on the right looks totally off. There's this noise present ruining the texture fidelity through most of it, the microcontrast on the edges seem overshaprened, and it's clear the anti-aliasing is overdone, you can see the sharp edges and the softness in textures all over it. I'm not even sure it's running in native 4k, that looks maybe scaled to me. And the lighting effects are kind of sloppy. Too much bloom, and I'm betting it doesn't have HDR. I'm not impressed. I'm sure someone will mod it on PC and it will be better there.

(And if you're not laughing, you need more coffee/tea.)

@Grumblevolcano Ahhhh, I get it now, I thought people were hoping for JUST online Firefight plus all of Reach and not ODST campaign....I hadn't realized the mention of Firefight was because ODST campaign was already available! That's just too cool! I don't care about Firefight, but I'd love to have Reach just to round out the collection. I have the disc still, but it would be nice to be in the MCC.

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@ThanosReXXX Ahh, cool about Drivatars....so that does explain it, it's not really a shared world, but a simulation of a shared world using player data, while Horizon 4 has an actual shared world. Makes sense. I still actually dislike the actual shared world in a way for this, so I may like 3 more after all. But at least it makes sense

(Also, darn limeys and kiwis with the wrong side of the road. #notmyfault #theroadiswrong)

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Well, I'm still wondering how they came to say "Bimmer", then because it sounds like crap. Possibly some lousy and completely un-funny attempt at sounding German or something...

By the way: that video I posted also has some more information on the new things in Horizon 4, so that might be an interesting watch for you as well.

As for driving on the wrong side of the road: nowadays, we're in total agreement, but I assume you know how that came to be? If not: it has everything to do with knights and/or noblemen on their horses and which side was their sword arm, which was the right arm. so they had to stay on the left side of the road to be able to freely swing their swords without lopping off the head of their horse...

Nowadays, English noblemen and drivers just use the right side window of their respective vehicles to stick out their "giving the finger" arm...

As for that shared world, though: I re-watched that video that I myself posted a couple of comments back, and if you look at it from a perspective of how these types of games have evolved, it actually sounds like a step back: shared world, as explained in the video, also means the same seasons and the same time of day for everyone everywhere in the world, so you could be playing in the evening, and in the game, it could be in the morning or in the middle of the day, depending on where the servers are.

A couple of years back, the big thing in racing sims and online racing in general, was "now with real time clock and weather", but with the whole shared world thing, we're actually going back to how it used to be in those older race games again. But regardless of that, it still looks and sounds like a really great game, and seeing as I have all the previous three games as well, I'll probably get this one at some point as well.

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