@ThanosReXXX You say that you are tired of having to repeat your points yet I'm also having to repeat myself since you're actually the one who is refusing to see the other side (prior to the backtracking), so it's very ironic that you are bringing up discussion being a two way thing. I'm not specifically countering any argument, as I said, just giving my views. If to you that what I'm doing is "countering arguments", then how are you not also "countering arguments"? I see the point that others make when they say they aren't a fan of achievements, but of course I don't relate to that if I myself enjoy going for achievements if I really love playing a particular game, if I did relate then there would be no point in this thread at all.
I'm not sure how you can consider yourself being polite after condensing responses and going on to say that achievements are for self validation when someone asks why Switch doesn't have them, but either way I still respond in a polite and civil manner. I'm not sure how you are getting the impression that my responses "reek" of annoyance and anger, perhaps you are projecting? I was calm at the start yes, and are still are calm, why would I get annoyed over a simple disagreement in a discussion? I enjoy debating and giving my thoughts and opinions, not sure why that would be something anyone would be annoyed over but each to their own. When I apologised earlier it was actually sarcasm to your also sarcastic response, I wasn't being apologetic over asking why the Switch doesn't have achievements yet. I am very laid back, may I ask in what way have we attacked each other?
You may claim that you were joking or not being serious about the whole self validation point you made, but the fact that you are only now bringing up that it was a joke after several responses sticking to and further implying that claim makes it clear to me that it is certainly backtracking. You seemed to have changed your tune quite a bit, at the end of your last post you even said that you would be completely fine if they added them as you could just switch them off or ignore/not be fixated on them. As for ludicrous achievements, of course they exist but they are very few and far between, plus there may be certain achievement that you might find ridiculous that others find to be fun. I have also already seen and responded to that quote from earlier so not sure why you would re-quote that.
You can say I don't understand the difference between high scores and achievements but of course I understand what you are saying but as I've already said, they are still earned within the game so they are still the same thing. High scores, in game achievement and trophies/achievements are all earned within the game it's self, the only difference being that trophies/achievements have their own dedicated list, some games even share the list of in game achievements with actual achievements too. And yes, I'm certainly no game developer but I'm sure in most cases achievements are made after the game is finished or at least close to being finished, it would be pretty strange to make an achievements list before the game is developed for many reasons.
Just because there is usually a points score or level for your trophies/achievements doesn't automatically make it about bragging rights, rather just something fun to grind up as you collect more and more achievements and also to keep track of how many achievements you have gotten for your games.
@ThanosReXXX "Discussing things should be a two-way street, not just "well, this is my opinion, and I don't care what any of you say, because you're all wrong". Welcome to the internet 😆
@BruceCM I am thinking the the OP was looking for a group of people to agree with him and say yeah we need achievements but instead wasn't ready for the opposite and instead for some reason thinks we are attacking him because we don't share the same views as him.
@NNGaming900 You say getting that achievements would make doing stuff in game more satisfying how that it's not for bragging rights or insecurities, then why have it? All achievements are designed to do is to inflate play time and to show of as bragging rights to others. You are telling me that if you complete a Pokedex you are not satisfied? That playing the game was a waste of time?? That's like saying your not satisfied with getting an A+ on a term paper cause the teacher didn't put a Great Job sticker on it.
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@BruceCM I never said that you did say no one cared about achievements, was actually responding to the other guy specifically when mentioning the fact that many people do care about achievements on other platforms, just @ you both in the same response as you mentioned similar things. But don't worry, I wasn't ever under the impression that I would get responses from Nintendo themselves.
@Anti-Matter When someone asks a question, yes, or no maybe aren't the only responses, usually people like to elaborate, especially on a topic they wish to discuss.
Eh, I certainly don't have any problem with achievements on XBox/ Steam, @Tasuki .... If I get some for just playing the game, that's cool but I don't go out of my way to get any others
@NNGaming900
Question for you.
If someday Nintendo Switch have trophies, will it make you happy and what will you do by that ?
My opinion, whether Nintendo Switch get trophies or not, I don't even care, I don't even bothering because I am not hungry for completing the game 100% or completing the achievements. I still play my games Casually, not by Hardcore way.
@Tasuki I'm not taking any responses as an attack, although people commenting "I'm like achievements for this specific reason" isn't what I asked, it would be no different to someone commenting saying "I love achievements, they're fun to unlock", I mean it's fine to say if you do or don't like achievements but it doesn't really add anything to this discussion.
Having a bit of satisfaction from getting an achievement has nothing at all to do with bragging rights and validation, I already pointed out earlier on how it's a very insecure mindset that you assume people would think you're less of a gamer for having less achievements than them. Of course I'm still satisfied for completing a Pokedex, I still do it regardless, but what I did say is that it would make it even more satisfying having achievements to go along with it.
@Tasuki Perfect analogy, with the Great job sticker...
@NNGaming900 What I mean by countering is that you still come back with the same points against EVERYONE that told you that they don't particularly like or need achievements, so that's definitely countering. Nowhere in your giant essays do you ever make a serious effort to consider any of our points, instead simply concluding that we're old, dumb, stubborn, petty or whatever...
And AGAIN: I personally NEVER said anything about validation. I even re-read all of my comments in this thread to make sure of that. I only mentioned the self-worth joke about the gamer tag, that I've now already mentioned several times again. I also think you need to look up the ACTUAL meaning of backtracking, because I've been doing none of it, only trying to reach some common ground, out of politeness by ADDING the statement "if others like it, then I'm fine with it" to all the things I previously said, and continuously repeated.
Oh, and I wasn't sarcastic back when you apologized, and I even replied quite kindly to that apology, but you seem to have either forgotten or overlooked that. You're reading all kinds of things into my comments that simply aren't there. Point is, if I wanted to be an @ss about it, or didn't want to seriously offer you an opinion, then I definitely wouldn't have put so much effort or text into it, which you might have known, if you would have already been on here a bit longer, instead of just the one day that you are now here.
Perhaps you should have tested the waters a bit more, get to know people on here, before starting not one but two forum topics with some highly divisive views, probably knowing full well that people would come in to disagree with you. If you keep this up, it won't be long until some of the mods pick up on it, and you'll either get a warning, or a ban, like @rallydefault also already tried to tell you.
It's like he said: This is not IGN, NeoGAF or Resetera. We are a relatively relaxed bunch, but we don't take kindly to newbies immediately trying to rile people up.
@Anti-Matter Of course I'd be happy with them adding achievements, it would give me more incentive to want to do specific things within certain games that I might not have done otherwise, also gives me something to grind towards when doing things I would do either way. If you don't care either way then may I ask what incited you to click on the thread and take part in the discussion in the first place? Just curious, because if there was a thread about a game I had no interest in, or a topic I had no interest in, I'd just keep scrolling.
Nobody here can actually say why Nintendo don't have achievements, though ..... So, if that's agreed, the OP is saying this is a pointless topic! OK, so who wants to lock this, then?
@NNGaming900
"If you don't care either way then may I ask what incited you to click on the thread and take part in the discussion in the first place?"
Because you asked the question about why achivements and trophies were not in Nintendo Switch yet.
And expect the answer "I have no interest with trophies or achievements / i don't care with them." from some users here.
@NNGaming900 You're not listening. But why does it make it more satisfying? Why do you need that to show up on a profile? In your mind is not complete if you don't get that or something? Do you just want it there because other systems like XBOX Live and PSN have it? That's what I am getting at. Why do you feel so hardup that Nintendo needs them? I beat Streets of Rage 2 the other day and it felt satisfying as is cause I beat it. I didn't feel unsatisfied.
Nintendo probably feels the same way, that playing the game and beating the game is its own reward and satisfaction. If not then they must be doing something wrong.
RetiredPush Square Moderator and all around retro gamer.
...but what I did say is that it would make it even more satisfying having achievements to go along with it.
Well, that's not a fact, but simply an opinion, and just one of many, and not all are the same. And that is perfectly fine, so all this arguing and negativity could already have been resolved two pages ago...
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@ThanosReXXX I didn't even respond to the ones who just said they didn't like achievements for the most part since it is somewhat irrelevant and doesn't really add anything to the discussion. I have considered and understand if you don't care for achievements but why would I agree if I myself enjoy achievements? I'd also like to point out that the "giant essays" were actually started by you, hence why I need to also type a lot in order to give my full response. Hold on, where did I once say or even imply that you are old, dumb, stubborn or petty? The only thing I did say was that you didn't have achievements back in your day, which I said due to you bringing up the fact that you only had high scores "back in the day", never once did I say anything even slightly insulting so I don't know why you'd assume that.
I also never did say that you specifically said anything about validation, the only thing I mentioned regarding things you actually said (not implied) is the fact that you said it's a measurement of self worth which is pretty similar in it's self. Only a couple of posts ago did you actually said you'd be fine with it, before you just gave tons of reasons why achievements are silly and not needed. As for the sarcasm, I meant the post prior to me sarcastically apologising. I haven't claimed that you said anything that you haven't actually said either.
The whole reason I decided to sign up to this forum was to make the first post about BOTW, as I was very curious to see why people view it so highly, later on also realised that achievement support to the Switch is something I've also thought about. If I keep this up it won't be long before the mods ban me? For what? I think you are taking this way too personally, I haven't done anything wrong at all, I'm not trying to "rile up" anyone and I don't think you should be getting irritated and annoyed over a simple discussion. Relax my friend, there is no hostility here.
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