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skywake

@DefHalan
I guess how good an idea you think it is depends on what you wanted them to do. If you were expecting a PS4 clone then it's not that. If you, like I was, were expecting a decent upgrade in the home console space? Then it's going to do that. If you, like I was, really want to see a refresh in the portable space? Then you're super happy about this.

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Therad

Remember the failed launch of 3ds? With it's high price point and a gimmick that drove up the price? The same with Wii U. So why would they try the same strategy a third time?

And which market segment are they catering to?
The child market that DS had is gone, cheap tablets/phones have stolen that.
Being a secondary console to Sony/Microsoft? You need a low price point for that.
People that want gaming on the go? High-end phones have become much cheaper, so why would I lug around another device?
Hard core Nintendo enthusiast? It doesn't really expand the market.

Therad

DefHalan

@skywake I was expecting a Home Console, and to get some more time out of my New 3DS XL. I was expecting to still get software on multiple fronts, and not just 1. I was expecting interesting controls (standard like the Wii U had or more advance motion than the Wii) but got simple ?Detatchable? controls. (There isn't much they can do with a controller if it has to attach to the system. I was expecting Nintendo to expand their pillars and not put all their eggs in one basic.

It is less that I question the Specs or the actual hardware. I question the business practices. I question the reason not to support the Wii U more, when they are releasing a new handheld. I question who this is suppose to target? Basically anyone interested in a Handheld, since between the 3 the NX will continue to be underpowered and lack in 3rd Party content. It doesn't fix any of the issues they had but instead tries to fix what wasn't broken. It seems odd. I know I am questioning just how I would use this machine. I worry about the detachable controllers on the side, another thing to get lost or break. I don't see the benefit for the business, in fact I see it as hurting them. They are removing possible sources of income by combining their two hardware fronts, and 1 of those fronts will probably just be forgotten.

Having a high powered handheld would be great. But I am the kind of guy that has beaten BoxBoy and BoxBoxBoy to completion but haven't booted up Resident Evil Revelations (which I have had longer) since I have been enjoying smaller experiences. I don't see the draw of all the other features, only the more powerful handheld. Why plug the system into the TV when I have a screen in my hands. (I love the GamePad for that reason) Why have detachable controllers when before I could just buy an extra controller?

This is such a confusing console. Lots of features just make me ask why and feel like they are trying to do so many things that no one asked and ignoring the things people actually wanted. I can't tell the future but I feel like this system will drive people away and not give many people a reason to buy it as a Home Console.

EDIT: Sorry about the rant, but I think I covered a lot of it lol

Edited on by DefHalan

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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FragRed

The fact that this device, if true, is going to apparently run the next major holiday 2017 Sonic the Hedgehog title is to me very interesting. That's a game that's not going to be on past generation consoles yet apparently will work on a handheld that's at best Wii U power. Which is where I think Eurogamer and others are suggesting the use of Tegra X2 in the final product might be used. But then there's that question of price.

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IceClimbers

@FragRed We don't know what that Sonic title even looks like though. Might not be all that graphically intensive and probably could run on Wii U.

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skywake

FragRed wrote:

The fact that this device, if true, is going to apparently run the next major holiday 2017 Sonic the Hedgehog title is to me very interesting. That's a game that's not going to be on past generation consoles yet apparently will work on a handheld that's at best Wii U power. Which is where I think Eurogamer and others are suggesting the use of Tegra X2 in the final product might be used. But then there's that question of price.

In terms of power this thing is going to be at least as capable as the Wii U. It's not a significant upgrade from the Wii U but it will be more capable. So saying that it'll be "at best" Wii U power is well off the mark. They're really pushing this thing to the limit.

In terms of cost? Well the 3DS launched at $250US and the Wii U was $300US. The PS4 was $400US at launch. Nvidia currently has 3 Shield SKUs using their chip. One is a tablet with an older chip that had a RRP of $200US. Then they have their console, largely the same thing minus the screen but with the X1. The 16GB SKU is $199US and the 500GB HDD model is $299US. It's well within that sort of range. You're not getting as many GFLOPS/$ as you do with the PS4 but it is a portable system. And for what it is it won't be that bad.

Now will it be that cheap? I don't know. You'd imagine that Nintendo would want more of a margin then I assume Nvidia is getting out of it. But it's not going to be ridiculously expensive. It's not going to be a $500US portable. I ruled out a portable as powerful as this because I thought Nintendo would want a healthier margin. Bit given they're going that route? ... maybe a healthy launch bundle?

Edited on by skywake

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GrailUK

To be honest with the Sonic thing, look at Star Wars Lego Force awakens. It's like saying the 3DS will run the PS4 version. Sonic has a place on Nintendo consoles and so they will make a lighter version for NX if it is indeed less powerful. For me, it is looking increasing likely that the reason Ubisoft announced Just Dance and not all their other games is the fact they are not coming.
However, balance that with a console that will play every single Nintendo game created going forward? Wherever I am? I am sold and if enough people are, then third party will come.

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dtjive

So this is my interpretation of the console. The NX has three main forms:

1. It is a tablet that will play mobile games and you'll be able to browse the net/watch videos like any other tablet.
2. However, you will be able to attach two ends to the tablet to form it into a controller and play video games.
3. At home, you can place the tablet into a docking station that is attached to a supplemental computing device that will boost processing power that will lead to an improved output. The controller for the home console is simply putting the two parts of the controller together to form a 'pro' controller.

So basically on the go, you have will play on a Wii U Pro Gamepad (see below) but will be virtually bezelless to the illustration below. At home, you will play on a Pro controller.

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How well it does ANY of those things will be the critical factor here and is a huge concern, and pricing is also a very complex issue. Will it convince any mobile gamer to switch from their tablet/phone to browse and play mobile games on this? I'm not convinced given I can't see this being anywhere near the slimmest devices on the market. Once you hook it up to the TV, is the processing power enough to convince people this is a worthy investment alongside (or instead of) the Xbox/PS4? The only thing it'll seem to do well in is the handheld market for sure because this is primarily what it seems to be.

I expect Nintendo will release a 64GB ($199) and 128GB ($249) of the handheld/tablet. You will also be able to choose a bundle with SCD for an extra $100 more, or this will be available to purchase separately later on at $120-150.

I can see how they could market this thing though. It reminds very much of the LG's G5 where you can plug in accessories that specialise for certain things and the ad pretty much just shows people in different places using the 'special add ins'- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zMKsZH5g9A

I expect Nintendo might angle for advertising that follows this idea: someone playing at home BotW, then has to leave and switches off the home console. They pick up the tablet and controller and assemble the handheld. Person plays it on a commute. You'll also see them then detach the controller parts to browse the net and watch youtube just like a normal tablet. They'll then come home again and hook it back up to the TV to continue playing BotW. That right there would send the message across clearly what it is.

But yeah...as to how WELL it'll do any of those things. I'm deeply concerned

dtjive

FragRed

@GrailUK Isn't that the main reason the Wii U failed to attract gamers? Because it only plays Nintendo games and has no third party support (aside from late ports and the odd title here and there) as well as being behind in technology?

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FragRed

@dtjive Firstly I don't see the NX playing mobile games, in fact Nintendo seem to be making damn well sure we see it as a "dedicated gaming platform" that doesn't run Android.

Secondly, I don't think that docking station is anything more than a device that links to the TV for an output that up scales to a larger screen. I don't see it boosting any performance or graphical capabilities as it seems that all that is done in the main device itself.

I'm a bit unsure how the controllers will actually work once disconnected. I assume they need their own battery source (another cost). Or if they are as Digital Foundry puts it, 2 separate controllers, then that's 2 batteries needed once disconnected. I also don't fully see how games needing 2 analogue sticks, trigger buttons and shoulder buttons will work if they are indeed 2 separate controllers and not 1.

There's too many concerns for me to see this a) being simple to market and easy to pick up and understand and b) convince people this is the device to buy post Christmas when the new PS4 Neo with PSVR and Xbox One S have come out.

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GrailUK

@FragRed Nah, bad communication etc left the Wii U struggling. I think Nintendo called it very early on and the Wii U was bereft of games very quickly. This concept could give Nintendo leeway to focus all effort on software for a single device which for me as a Nintendo fan is an exciting prospect. After all, I follow Nintendo for their games, not their teraflops (I have a PC for that).
I will concede I am more interested in how it operates as a home console than a handheld (although it sounds great as a portable) more for the controllers, interface and online etc. I am more than ok with a hit on graphics to allow games to be taken anywhere.
I would also like to say I hope Nintendo reveal this thing soon, as I would be a lot more comfortable talking about something real than my own fantasies lol.

Edited on by GrailUK

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FragRed

@GrailUK As hardcore Nintendo fans, the idea of a device now could have twice the number of teams working on a much larger output than ever achievable across 2 platforms is definitely most exciting, but for anyone else whom Nintendo are going to try and get on board with, that's not what they want to see. A system without big hitting third party support is an instant no purchase in today's world. Even on PS4 and Xbox One first party often takes a back seat to third party looking at sales.

I do agree the idea of playing Zelda and Splatoon 2 on the go is really quite exciting though that's assuming there's a decent Wi-Fi for online multiplayer.

Those controllers are going to need their own battery supply which is going to add to the cost, weight and size of the whole thing.

But I agree, Nintendo should get this thing announced asap. Now there's a potentially true leak out about the NX, and it's spreading like wild fire - I'm seeing a lot of mixed reaction (mainly leaning towards negative) I think Nintendo should bit the bullet and reveal all sooner than September, a lot sooner. Calm the tides and get it out before anything else potentially leaks.

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WebHead

@DefHalan because 3ds is slowing, wii u is a dud, and this way they don't have to split resources.

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skywake

Something to think about, big 2013 3DS/Wii U releases when the Wii U really needed content:

3DS:
Pokemon X/Y
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion 2
Monster Hunter 4
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D

Wii U:
Super Mario 3D World
New Super Luigi U
Wind Waker HD
Pikmin 3

This is where the idea of a single console could work

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GrailUK

@DefHalan Now Mr Def, I am surprised (or stupid!). I thought this rumour was exactly what you were wanting.

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dtjive

FragRed wrote:

@dtjive Firstly I don't see the NX playing mobile games, in fact Nintendo seem to be making damn well sure we see it as a "dedicated gaming platform" that doesn't run Android.

Secondly, I don't think that docking station is anything more than a device that links to the TV for an output that up scales to a larger screen. I don't see it boosting any performance or graphical capabilities as it seems that all that is done in the main device itself.

I'm a bit unsure how the controllers will actually work once disconnected. I assume they need their own battery source (another cost). Or if they are as Digital Foundry puts it, 2 separate controllers, then that's 2 batteries needed once disconnected. I also don't fully see how games needing 2 analogue sticks, trigger buttons and shoulder buttons will work if they are indeed 2 separate controllers and not 1.

There's too many concerns for me to see this a) being simple to market and easy to pick up and understand and b) convince people this is the device to buy post Christmas when the new PS4 Neo with PSVR and Xbox One S have come out.

I don't think it will run Android, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be able to have tablet functionality and have access to mobile games.

But I do think with the fact that it is a detachable/attachable bookend controllers meaning thus one 'form' of the console will just simply be a screen means that Nintendo will consider this to have some sort of tablet functionality and they will definitely emphasize the ability to play Pokemon Go on this. If this wasn't the case then there were a lot easier (and less silly) ways of making this hybrid console work than the way this rumour suggests.

The docking station will definitely house extra power also. Mostly it will just improve frame-rates and possibly permit 1080p output (from 720p or 900p if you remember that rumour). It'll still be light on power either with the docking station I expect but I essentially envisage the handheld component to be inbetween Wii U/XBox power, which then boosts up to XBox when playing at home.

They're not two separate controllers. They're just two parts of one controller. On the go they surround the NX screen, at home they fit together to act as a normal controller.

dtjive

GrailUK

@skywake Monster Hunter 4 on the TV would have been SOLID!

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WebHead

@GrailUK one device where I can get all the new gen Nintendo games and play them on TV and on go? Sign me up.

WebHead

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GrailUK

@WebHead Roger chief! Oooh that reminds me, can I have Halo on PC aswell? Lord of the Wins! One Nintendo console to play them all and Xbox games on PC...how times change!

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skywake

@GrailUK
It goes both ways. When games like Kid Icarus Uprising and Luigi's Mansion 2 came out on the 3DS I kinda wished I could play them on the TV. But on the other side games like Yoshi's Woolly World and DKCR I've wanted on a portable. And on the Wii U that's how I played them. And there are also games like Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Animal Crossing which I kinda want to play on both.

But what's even cooler about this isn't the ability to pick where you play these games. It's the fact that you get both versions at once. Which should mean more games in general. It also means no-cross buy because it's the same system! You buy a VC game or indie title and you have it. Done. And that's pretty cool.

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